GH450 Fix this Friday? yay or nay?

[Sakura123]

Am I the only one excited with this update because we may finally get the so awaited GH450 fix?

YAY!?

[Dj_SkyEpic]

Resta spam please.

[Rashiid]

err...wat was wrong with it? (and for what system)

[Witchblade56]

YES PLZ I want my Adi to be fun to play with :/ She's the cutest of my lolibots but the least useful for soloing ._.+

[AlieNxxxxxxxx]

I believe that it is the force PM and that it never uses spells it just stands there, when it is supposed to spam resta and foie.

Am I right or I am just blowin' smoke?

[Rashiid]

im lost; can i get a detailed explination on why its faulty?

[EphekZ]

a friend of mine took it out yesterday and what I saw was that it used techs a lot, like jellen foie techs and barta techs.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

At the start of PSU, the 450 on the PS2/PC version both JP and NA was able to spam resta at most.

After the 2nd update, the 450 did not nearly helped enough during missions. They mainly healed AFTER death, or at a 5% health bar after you attack an enemy and die.

Basically, they are not their usual selves. Lets hope this next update brings them back to the godly supportive state :3

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[Rashiid]

i get confused when you use the word "spam"

it uses resta too much and not other spells or vice-versa?

[Dj_SkyEpic]

"Spamming resta..." More like... Dont care what health % you are at. It just heals anytime XD

[Rashiid]

nvm ur confusing me w/ too much sarcasm

[Sakura123]

yeah, the veterans that started when the game got released in the USA should know what I am talking about.

Before an update (I believe it was the update that opened Moatoob) the GH450 was without doubt the best PM. She healed, nuked, debuffed at any given time. She was even better than most forces back in the day, you could trust her to keep the party healed at all times.

After the GH450 "nerf" Sega actually said in the official japanese web page that they accidentaly broke the PM when they made some fixes to the PM AI and that it would get fixed soon.

That time arrived and recently the JP version got GH450 fixed and she is like before just that she does not spam resta so much or so I have heard.... I mean, back then the GH450 spammed Resta like there was no tomorrow even at full hp.


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[Dj_SkyEpic]

I dont get how that's confusing >.>

450 used to heal more often, but currently it's being conservative. OP and many others are hoping for this to be fixed.

[Rashiid]

thank you. nice and simple. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Nanoframe]

No it will not be fixed ever. It was broken when it used to heal too much.
The way it is now is its normal state, if it healed like it used to nobody would ever need a Fo I have a 450 myself just because its cute

[Sakura123]

On 2007-01-08 16:02, Nanoframe wrote:
No it will not be fixed ever. It was broken when it used to heal too much.
The way it is now is its normal state, if it healed like it used to nobody would ever need a Fo I have a 450 myself just because its cute



The GH450 got fixed recently in the japanese version. Wether we get the fix in this update or in a future update, if ever, is up to SEGA. But since the client changes of the japanese version affects ours directly, I am not doubting that we may get the fix this friday.



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[Rashiid]

well, they are stinkin robots.....

[MayLee]

My 450 gone retarded. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Rashiid]

My 420 gone. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

i deleted my fighgunner accont..........

got a good 300k back worth by selling all of her A ranks.......but........*sigh*...miss her dearly.....

[foamcup]

On 2007-01-08 15:46, darkgunner wrote:
a friend of mine took it out yesterday and what I saw was that it used techs a lot, like jellen foie techs and barta techs.



She doesn't use Barta, she's a little pyro.

She's supposed to use fire techs, Jellen, and Resta. Right now she does not use Resta. I think Maya is broken the same way. I used to bring her along because she would heal, now she stands around and MIGHT shoot her crossbow once. If you're lucky.

[Knowbodie]

On 2007-01-08 17:34, Rashiid wrote:
My 420 gone. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

i deleted my fighgunner accont..........

got a good 300k back worth by selling all of her A ranks.......but........*sigh*...miss her dearly.....



Hmm, what happened to your figunner? I think i had your partner card traced to the figunner.

[Remedy]

I know that Cura hasn't ever healed me yet, and god knows her and I have both been in the yellow several times before. It's sad. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

But I do love her Jellen that she uses so much. =^.^=

[MayLee]

Double posties. o.O


I wish 450s didn't have to be money hungry. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[foamcup]

On 2007-01-08 19:06, MayLee wrote:
Double posties. o.O


I wish 450s didn't have to be money hungry. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



Yeah really. Mine cost 100k a day to feed. Took me about a week to max her out.

[Remedy]

Yeah, sorry about that, I deleted the second one. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

And yeah, that they are, for sure. =/

[imfanboy]

What? No bleemo saying, "WTF U noobs just don't know how to use her?"

I'm shocked. He must be sick or something.

Good.

Anyway, yes, I'd love to have her working too - I like my figunner character (she's got style, something altogether too many figunners lack), and the 450 matches my figunner's personality so perfectly that it would be so freakin' awesome to use them in tandem...

Sadly, this isn't possible. -_- Ah well, such is life.

[Tahldon]

I really hope she gets fixed.. all that money and time gone to waste if not..

People talk only about her using Resta alot, but they forget the fact that she can use Megiverse and Megid as well which helps a bit in battle.

And the fact that her rods are totally wrong. She's supposed to have a Mayrod and a Tomoirod. Whereas she now has a Hajirod and a Granarod. (Correct me if I'm wrong).

She also has TWO sets of foie Technics. She has a level 30 set of Foie Techs on the Granarod and a set of level 10 technics on the Hajirod. Why would you have the same techs on different rods at different levels?

I've seen her heal with the little purple wand she has, and she's also healed herself with her HAJIROD, which caught me oddly.

Her using Resta alot isn't the -entire- problem, it's all the things she doesn't have that bugs me alot.

[Jey]

The JP description of 450 often mix up offline and online modes, because the other lolibots didn't change much. Pete (... lol'ibot) WILL use Rabarta, Megid, and Megiverse as well as Resta often as a 450 model. I grew uh, it, up as one, used it a few times, and grew infinately jealous.

Network mode's 450 is a fire-technic specialist (shame she won't use shifta). Accordingly there is a ice-specialty and lightning-specialty 45x upgrade, but no one has access to the upgrades anyway. Not gonna see barta/megid anything in online mode. The Foie effects look different based on which rod she has equipped but it is in looks only.

The REAL reason why she sucks -
Foie - 180 damage
Rafoie - 100 damage
Gifoie - 80 damage
Resta - 1-3 x 480hp below ~10% 450's hp ONLY or just after revival
hp at lv70 ~600.

Now, I changed my Fighgunner to a Force just for kicks (and so I could eventually unlock Wartecher just to keep my 450 alive in harder soloing) and he was doing Foie for 400 at Foie 1, FO1. From Battle Status 1-19 her foie damages were basically unchanged.

Same char originally had a 98 Striking maidbot and her Spinning Breaks were doing 300 per hit (that's x6 hits on larger targets with her usual double combo).

So yaaah 450 better get fixed. I could live without Resta (that description is such false advertising) since there are lolibot upgrades that DO specifically say they concentrate on healing, but her damage sucks to boot.

[EC_Subbie]

I spent 100k raising her..and if she doesn't get fixed from her useless state right now, I'll have to PM zero and build a ranged PM.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

On 2007-01-08 20:57, Jey wrote:
The REAL reason why she sucks -
Foie - 180 damage
Rafoie - 100 damage
Gifoie - 80 damage
Resta - 1-3 x 480hp below ~10% 450's hp ONLY or just after revival
hp at lv70 ~600.

#1 Reason why I want them to mainly focus on resta spamming and debuffing.

When I tested the 410 with my beast alt going melee, I could see that the A.I. reactly nicely towards the roll of fighting mobs. There were no pauses, or weakness. The 410 was able to attack with even over 210 per PA strikes in sequences of attacks after another.

... But when I finally got my 450 back, it kind of depresses me to know that Delicious, my PM, went from a full fighting 410 to a support 450 only because I wanted to synth force weapons XD.

Currently she mostly idles unless I circle around an enemy once or twice to get her attention... but even so, she does mostly in the 100s against S rank Barta spitters and never heals at all only after she dies.

If only her damage were boosted... But then again, a Female Cast doing 500s per foie would look strange (Focaseal?).

[PMB960]

I hope they get fixed. I want to raise one to help my Beast, Ranulf, in battle. The only other PM I had was a 440, although it is gone now since I deleted that char. accidentally, and it did nice damage with a shotgun and dualies especially since it always fired the shotgun point blank. It was a little slow to react though but it would run off on its own to take down a group of enemies which was nice. I even saw it heal once when we were both at 5 HP. If they fix it I can't wait to get a 450 though.

[Jey]

all NPCs, even Lou and heck Laia and pink maidbot 410 <_<, have a reflex Resta-spam at very low HP. The trigger is always the same, NPC's hp < 10% or so, and engaged with an enemy. 450 is barely unique in that it not only does this but also does ren-Resta when it revives, but that's so laughable it's stupid.

When I see "HEALS OWNER" in the description I expected a bot that like... healed my character and not only herself ._.'

[Nayte]

Thats like saying no one needs hunters because people can just use 410s.... anyway, i hope it does get fixed, ive put way too much time and money into that PM. Maybe it will get better as its battle level increases? I've not seen it cast resta once so i have to kep healing it with any star atomizers i find http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Tahldon]

On 2007-01-08 23:41, Dj_SkyEpic wrote:

If only her damage were boosted... But then again, a Female Cast doing 500s per foie would look strange (Focaseal?).



You know what, DJ? I've thought about that alot too.

I've gotten mine to 100 BT stat and she's still not doing a WHOLE lot. She attacks immediately upon engaging an enemy and that's about it.

Her foie is incredibly weak and I've thought about the fact that she's a cast. Cause I saw the luck over her head and then she was throwing foie around and It hit me. "Damn.. she IS a cast isn't she.. that's why her techs are so weak.."

One would think, the pure Technic would make up for that though..

[Spellbinder]

People talk only about her using Resta alot, but they forget the fact that she can use Megiverse and Megid as well which helps a bit in battle.

This is false, unless its some US exclusive feature.

[Rashiid]

On 2007-01-08 17:46, Knowbodie wrote:

On 2007-01-08 17:34, Rashiid wrote:
My 420 gone. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

i deleted my fighgunner accont..........

got a good 300k back worth by selling all of her A ranks.......but........*sigh*...miss her dearly.....



Hmm, what happened to your figunner? I think i had your partner card traced to the figunner.



i realized i had more fun as a fortetecher, so i sold all her stuff to buy stuff for Kandii <--(the Fortetecher)

waste of a lvl 56 lol

[Tahldon]

On 2007-01-09 04:32, Spellbinder wrote:

People talk only about her using Resta alot, but they forget the fact that she can use Megiverse and Megid as well which helps a bit in battle.

This is false, unless its some US exclusive feature.



Really?

Hm.. The PSUpedia site says she has it. Am I wrong?

[Thrash777]

Oh...? That went by without me noticing the 450 problem... I take this applies to both platforms cos its the update that caused it...?

[Rashiid]

On 2007-01-08 20:57, Jey wrote:
The REAL reason why she sucks -
Foie - 180 damage
Rafoie - 100 damage
Gifoie - 80 damage
Resta - 1-3 x 480hp below ~10% 450's hp ONLY or just after revival
hp at lv70 ~600.

Now, I changed my Fighgunner to a Force just for kicks (and so I could eventually unlock Wartecher just to keep my 450 alive in harder soloing) and he was doing Foie for 400 at Foie 1, FO1. From Battle Status 1-19 her foie damages were basically unchanged.




well u hafta remember, Casts have even worse TP then Beasts do

[Sakura123]

I am happy to tell everyone that GH450 finally got fixed!

She spam resta now and use more techs besides fioe and rafioe. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Everyone who spent a lot of money making her, grats!. You got back the best PM of the game.

Enjoy!

[MayLee]

Awsome!

But I don't have one. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Sychosis]

I guess I can finally see Full Metal in all her glory...

[PJ]

Now I'm looking forward to the day [in a million years] my PM Meteor gets finished!

[LeMan_Bayon]

Maya still doesn't appear to be casting resta http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif Anyone else having any luck with her?

[Remedy]

THEY FIXED HER THEY FIXED HER THEY FIXED HER! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Spellbinder]

Glad you guys on US finally have your proper GH-450's. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Cookies for everyone!!!

[Dj_SkyEpic]

Shes fixed OSDFMASTJvgj sges fdktrhavk;j fixed!!!!

[Knight_of_MIA]

Hopefully it is still possible to kiss the ground if you are not careful and run blindly with a bright smile through a stack of mobs...

[zanotam]

YAY! I might actually get one now http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Tahldon]

WTF!? She isn't fixed... Shes still acting the same as before.

Lies!!

[-dis-]

Not fixed on the 360.

[JAFO22000]

You'll not replace me yet!! *shakes fist*

[Tahldon]

On 2007-01-12 07:24, -dis- wrote:
Not fixed on the 360.



I've realized this.. upon losing a Scape Doll thinking she'll heal me.

>.< Stupid Cura!

[-dis-]

My 450 is going on life support at this point. If the little shit wants to live, she better hope sonic team fixes her soon. Or it's the big Zero.

[MayLee]

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif Not fixed on the 360? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[-dis-]

Nope. Still a foie/jellen spammin waste of meseta.

[MayLee]

WHY? WHY?! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cry.gif

My poor..Poor..future 450. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[-dis-]

You should write a letter to Sega, MayLee. I suggest the following:

Dear Fuckers,

Fuck you.

Best,
Mike

(sign it "Mike" so that way they won't know it's you)

[JAFO22000]

Mike licks dog butts.

[Sychosis]

I dunno about you guys, but she is fixed to an extent for me. She's holding a light element purple wand as I type this and just healed me from half health.

[Witchblade56]

So she is fixed for PS2/PC now http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif? I have mine on my level 1 hunter just waiting to play gleefully with her http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif!

[OdinTyler]

450's messed up online? Oh man! Damn shame, but, hope its fixed. I have her offline on my main & she rules! When I worked on her mind stat, I fed her nothing but Megid disks. Rarely does she heal. She does quite alot of fire & ice, but, mostly the huge Megid spell (dont know which one), but, does it ALOT. She RULES! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Even in a place like the Hive, her constant casting helps. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif For anyone who doesnt have this PM, I definitely suggest her.

[Sydney]

the gh450 PM is fixed! She heals all the time now.
YES!!!!

[Alpha-Hunter]

there is a long post just below this one.... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif are you on 360? if not then I just read this news.

[Sydney]

oh sorry. I thought that post was just people " wondering" if it was gonna be fixed or not.

[-dis-]

On 2007-01-12 09:59, Sychosis wrote:
I dunno about you guys, but she is fixed to an extent for me. She's holding a light element purple wand as I type this and just healed me from half health.

Was your 450 low on health at the time?

[PaladinRPG]

She is! Awesome! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Witchblade56]

YAY i cant wait to go play with her tonight http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sychosis]

On 2007-01-12 11:43, -dis- wrote:

On 2007-01-12 09:59, Sychosis wrote:
I dunno about you guys, but she is fixed to an extent for me. She's holding a light element purple wand as I type this and just healed me from half health.

Was your 450 low on health at the time?



Negative. She was nearly full at the time.

EDIT: I used the phrase "to an extent" though because before that, she was nearly dead and wouldn't heal at all :/



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[-dis-]

On 2007-01-12 13:44, Sychosis wrote:

On 2007-01-12 11:43, -dis- wrote:

On 2007-01-12 09:59, Sychosis wrote:
I dunno about you guys, but she is fixed to an extent for me. She's holding a light element purple wand as I type this and just healed me from half health.

Was your 450 low on health at the time?



Negative. She was nearly full at the time.

EDIT: I used the phrase "to an extent" though because before that, she was nearly dead and wouldn't heal at all :/



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Sychosis on 2007-01-12 13:46 ]</font>
That's not new behavior. The dumb piece of shit broken 450 occasionally heals with full health shortly after being almost or being completely dead.

As I said:

Dear Fuckers,

Fuck you.

[Witchblade56]

-dis- are you 360 or PS2/PC?

[AlphaMinotaux]

GH-450 is fixed, so won't heal you 24/7 cause she also attacks but she will keep healing you. I'd say about 2/3 of the time she is healing while the other 1/3 she is doing dmg.

[-dis-]

On 2007-01-12 13:55, Witchblade56 wrote:
-dis- are you 360 or PS2/PC?

Heya. I'm on the 360 (I mentioned this earlier).

It is horribly frustrating that they have a fix and yet do a staggered implementation of it.

[-dis-]

On 2007-01-12 13:57, AlphaMinotaux wrote:
GH-450 is fixed, so won't heal you 24/7 cause she also attacks but she will keep healing you. I'd say about 2/3 of the time she is healing while the other 1/3 she is doing dmg.

360 or PS2/PC? Online or offline? Or are you just a kid who doesn't read threads and chimes in?





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[Spellbinder]

On 2007-01-12 13:59, -dis- wrote:

On 2007-01-12 13:57, AlphaMinotaux wrote:
GH-450 is fixed, so won't heal you 24/7 cause she also attacks but she will keep healing you. I'd say about 2/3 of the time she is healing while the other 1/3 she is doing dmg.

360 or PS2/PC? Online or offline? Or are you just a kid who doesn't read threads and chimes in?





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Check Alpha's sig, PSU PC.

[Witchblade56]

Sorry -dis- I wasnt trying to divide the camps. That really blows that they havent implemented the fix for 360 yet :/

Are 360er's a week behind on the patch updates or what? Seems kind of lame that they cant get it fixed sooner.

2/3 of the time spent healing is better than 0/3 of the time lol. I'll buy that for a dollar... o wait it costs 9.99 US a month.... >_>

[-dis-]

On 2007-01-12 14:11, Spellbinder wrote:

On 2007-01-12 13:59, -dis- wrote:

On 2007-01-12 13:57, AlphaMinotaux wrote:
GH-450 is fixed, so won't heal you 24/7 cause she also attacks but she will keep healing you. I'd say about 2/3 of the time she is healing while the other 1/3 she is doing dmg.

360 or PS2/PC? Online or offline? Or are you just a kid who doesn't read threads and chimes in?





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Check Alpha's sig, PSU PC.

I did. Sorry I didn't use sarcasm tags for the less discerning.

[-dis-]

On 2007-01-12 14:16, Witchblade56 wrote:
Sorry -dis- I wasnt trying to divide the camps.I didn't think you were. I figured you just missed my earlier comment that I was on the 360.

The chuckleheads who posted after you, on the other hand, well, they're quite clearly mental giants.

[Spellbinder]

On 2007-01-12 14:24, -dis- wrote:

On 2007-01-12 14:11, Spellbinder wrote:

On 2007-01-12 13:59, -dis- wrote:

On 2007-01-12 13:57, AlphaMinotaux wrote:
GH-450 is fixed, so won't heal you 24/7 cause she also attacks but she will keep healing you. I'd say about 2/3 of the time she is healing while the other 1/3 she is doing dmg.

360 or PS2/PC? Online or offline? Or are you just a kid who doesn't read threads and chimes in?





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Check Alpha's sig, PSU PC.

I did. Sorry I didn't use sarcasm tags for the less discerning.



And sorry I forgot how serious business the internetz is. No need to be so snippy.

[Remedy]

On 2007-01-12 07:27, Tahldon wrote:
I've realized this.. upon losing a Scape Doll thinking she'll heal me.

>.< Stupid Cura!You watch your mouth! Cura's a good girl and heals me all the time, you jerk! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rant.gif

[Tahldon]

On 2007-01-12 17:25, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-01-12 07:27, Tahldon wrote:
I've realized this.. upon losing a Scape Doll thinking she'll heal me.

>.< Stupid Cura!You watch your mouth! Cura's a good girl and heals me all the time, you jerk! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rant.gif



It's her fault!

She healed you, you became happy, told us all she was fixed. Hina Ichigo let me die and now I'm mad!

Fault *loop around* Cura! >.<

*Throws self back onto the ground kicking and flailing* I want Hina fixed tooooooooo!!!



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