Once megistar comes out it will forever rendered broken.

[ShinMaruku]

Sure it sucks out your HP but with a restore unit it does nothing and all them buffs I recived in extra mode made me broken..... My defence and offence goes crazy and my nukes became evil...
It's now my fave tech now. Once I get my war techer online, maybe it will be out and it will abuse such a move. However I must try not to get hit... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



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[zanotam]

no never go WT! WT's are cursed to a suckey existance http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[ShinMaruku]

I'll have a FT as well but that will be my main. FT is evil.
It shall be a newman WT and with megistar the boosts will be so nice.
I'll have a FT too all that evil damage is too enticing too.
But WT I shall be! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[MomoHana]

You don't need to have the other Buffs so Megistar seems perfect for WT. You can use the regular buffs for Elemental Upgrades for FT though :3 [12% to Fire/Ice/Electric and 4% Dark on Wand :3]

[MayLee]

Oh god..I regret being a Fortetecher. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Sychosis]

On 2007-01-14 14:02, MayLee wrote:
Oh god..I regret being a Fortetecher. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



No you don't, silly.

[Kei-Z]

Will megistar have to be obtained through PA frags?

[Schubalts]

What does Megistar have to do with Wartechers and Fortetechers?

[MayLee]

On 2007-01-14 14:05, Sychosis wrote:

On 2007-01-14 14:02, MayLee wrote:
Oh god..I regret being a Fortetecher. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



No you don't, silly.

I do..That's why I died in our Online story Mission. Such a low defence. >.<

[ShinMaruku]

This will make my Newman Wartehcer really danc earound and them claws.. damn I can't wait.
But Humans.. they can OD with this. Use this on Ethan and watch the numbers fly. XD

[Sychosis]

On 2007-01-14 14:07, MayLee wrote:

On 2007-01-14 14:05, Sychosis wrote:

On 2007-01-14 14:02, MayLee wrote:
Oh god..I regret being a Fortetecher. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



No you don't, silly.

I do..That's why I died in our Online story Mission. Such a low defence. >.<



Are you still sweating that? I thought I told you not to worry about it? Besides, you're going to love it once Dizas is released. Not even flinching when attacked, let alone taking any damage? YES MA'AM!

[Remedy]

On 2007-01-14 14:07, Kei-Z wrote:
Will megistar have to be obtained through PA frags?Yes.

Also keep in mind that Megistar is NOT a stronger buff than an equal-leveled Shifta/Deband/Retier/Zodial, and also that it drains, what is it... like 5% of your HP every few seconds, too? AND that it doesn't buff your party?

Megistar = Wartecher and Guntecher soloing crud. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[ShinMaruku]

As WT that would be rather nice for me to use regardless if you are a FT you need just one buff and you're good to go.

[MayLee]

On 2007-01-14 14:13, Sychosis wrote:


Are you still sweating that? I thought I told you not to worry about it? Besides, you're going to love it once Dizas is released. Not even flinching when attacked, let alone taking any damage? YES MA'AM!



O_O

*Straightens up and salutes*

I use Megister a lot. It doesn't seem to phase me because I can whip out my Light wand. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Megistal is great for solo, but absolutely worthless in a party.

[-Shimarisu-]

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif^ I'm not remotely envious of you, you can't use a rifle, twin handguns, can't heal on the spot as quickly as me without compromising your main weapon, 90% of you are loli (puke) and 8% of you are male with a voice that one the JP 360 sounds like Hard Gay. Only 2% are good at their job/not perverted at all, are the only ones I play with and I'm STILL not jealous because I DON'T WANT TO BE A FORCE, IF I WAS JEALOUS I WOULD BE ONE.

Hell I WAS one for 29 levels of the basic job class across a quota of several characters.


On 2007-01-14 13:44, zanotam wrote:
no never go WT! WT's are cursed to a suckey existance http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



God shut up.

In fact with the megistar tech, they will become a lot better due to the fact you now only really need to buff yourself with TAP, MST and ATA boosts. Everyone else is just fine with added ATP/DEF. And the potential for soloing is just fantastic. You only need two wands then, for megistar, reverser and debuffs.

Edit: Well, megistar, reverver, resta and defdeal which is basically all I'd use solo.

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[petruseden]

Hmph alot more Fortetechers should stand proud for what they are ... granted we have low defense, but the range we can can take TECHNICs will forever be the envy of those who witness it. Like any "mage" once you start maxing out your potential, it will become very evident the extent of our power. Do not lose heart, remember what ever they cast .. we can cast better.

However I do realize, as time goes on, I will be a minority amoungst even Fortetechers; seeing as how I am forgoing even my bullet arts to have every TECHNIC in the game.

[Gojin]

On 2007-01-14 13:44, zanotam wrote:
no never go WT! WT's are cursed to a suckey existance http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



stfu and gtfo, wartechers pwn you.

[ShinMaruku]

This thiong will be a Godsend...

[DoubleJG]

On 2007-01-14 13:44, zanotam wrote:
no never go WT! WT's are cursed to a suckey existance http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



Excuse me?

[ShinMaruku]

Appearantly their is WT hate fad.

[Nani-chan]

When I use the megistaride item it only drains hp the first half of it's duration (not a huge downside). Or maybe I'm imaginging things.

[ShinMaruku]

Megistar only drians for the a short time too.

[ViciousXUSMC]

regular buffs only take a moment to cast megistar is just a lazy mans solo tool to save you a whole 4 seconds in the buffing process. But it will cost you some PA Frags and take you ahella lot longer to lvl up.

Even with a regen unit on the hits you recieve from it can still interupt you as well.

[-Shimarisu-]

On 2007-01-14 23:27, ViciousXUSMC wrote:
regular buffs only take a moment to cast megistar is just a lazy mans solo tool to save you a whole 4 seconds in the buffing process. But it will cost you some PA Frags and take you ahella lot longer to lvl up.

Even with a regen unit on the hits you recieve from it can still interupt you as well.



It's not a lazy man's tool, it's a tool for those who want to free up at least one wand hand in solo situations, and also to give themselves an extra boost for ata and tap without having to equip two more extra techs that MOST currently don't even use in parties. Hell I'm buying it for my wartecher, and maybe my guntecher. Gonna need a lot of runs of fast S rank missions sure, but eh.

[Alisha]

um no. you wont get interupted. the tics of fake infection you receive from megidstar are delayed by using skills or techs. i had a full pallete of rods when i was leveling it and i only received a tick when i switched weapons or used a photon charger i wouldnt waste my time with deband normally. but hey if it comes free of charge with megistar! the great thing about megistar with a beast wartecher though is it helps you set up nosumegid.

[Remedy]

On 2007-01-14 14:41, -Shimarisu- wrote:
can't heal on the spot as quickly as me without compromising your main weaponSince Elementally attuned rods only deal their bonus damage to enemies of the opposing element, this statement is lol and fail.

gg http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Keiko_Seisha]

^ You act like this is a bad thing. ^

[Nani-chan]

Megistar is awesome, since it can save people up to 2.5 wands.

Megistar + Damubarta (or any other spell) is 1 wand > Shifta + Deband + Zodial + Retier is 2 wands.

Edit: Actually I gave it some thought and I'd probably put Dizas/Rentis on the 2nd Megistar wand slot.

5 Buffs on 1 wand is awesome, I don't care if you disagree.

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[ViciousXUSMC]

I see where your comming from as a hybrid but as a fortetecher I just put all 4 buffs on a rod and its better that way since I will want to buff the party not just myself, and when im solo 1 rod with all 4 buffs is not a problem.

[Nani-chan]

I will admit that if a fortetecher is in my party and casting lvl 21+ buffs than there is no need for me to cast tier 2 lvl (11-20) Shifta/Zodial. I will still cast these two spells if it benefits the party.

If I am soloing, or if a FT is in the party I may still have my megistar/dizas wand ready, for after I nanoblast I will want to have buffs on me when I revert to normal.

[-Shimarisu-]

On 2007-01-14 23:53, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-01-14 14:41, -Shimarisu- wrote:
can't heal on the spot as quickly as me without compromising your main weaponSince Elementally attuned rods only deal their bonus damage to enemies of the opposing element, this statement is lol and fail.

gg http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



Rods are slower than wands, and your main techs are slower than a shot from my crossbow.

To get OUT of attacking and cast resta? Yeah sorry. You're slower than me. And don't give the whole ranged argument, if I can see a potentially harmful situation I'm already in the fray stunning stuff.

Fortetechers who think they are automatically better and more useful than hybrids are made of lol and fail.

gg.



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[-Shimarisu-]

Also loling because one of the main arguments for rods over wands is that whole % bonus from binding, and haha, as I thought you're not even doing it.

ALSO loling because fortetechers came into this thread to make fun of people for wanting a tech they personally don't need. Megistar is for hybrids who want to solo. Like I say it can even be used when there's another player around doing their job, or to free up an extra slot on a wand for the ATA/TAP boost most players do not need but GT and WT benefit from.

Fortectechers don't NEED most buffs to solo anyway. So there was no point to the "la-di-dah, look at me, I have a rod and you don't."


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[omegapirate2k]

I wouldn't mind seeing a guntecher or wartecher going on a berserker rage with somebody else healing them, personally.

EDIT: are there any better HP restorative armor slots out there besides the Me/HP Restorate? Because 5% per tick minus the 1% per tick given by a Me/HP Restorate is still pretty dangerous. Offline the HP restorate you get is godly, so it would support something like megistars health decrease, and then some.


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[Remedy]

Uh... Every class but Fortecher benefits from all four buff technics, and the only one we don't benefit from is Shifta.

Shifta: Any Gun-using or Melee-using class
Deband: All Classes
Zodial: All Classes for EVP boost, Melee-using and Gun-using classes for ATA boost
Retier: All Classes for MST boost, Tech-using classes for TAP boost


So yes, casting your full array of buffs as a Fortecher isn't a waste at all, and is something that we should do as a rule. Yes, I'm not calling into question the quality of Megistar as a soloing tool for Gun/Wartechers, I'm saying it's rubbish as any sort of party tool (given that it doesn't effect the party) and that if you have the room for all four buffs, there's no reason NOT to use the four buffs instead of Megistar.

Additionally, Megistar isn't even out in JP PSU yet, so god only knows how long we'll be waiting on it. *shrug*

Also, as a final note: Me/Quick reduces spell cast time so much that except on basic technics (Diga, Foie, Barta, Zonde), a rod with it is faster than a wand without it, so... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Schubalts]

How about the wartechers, guntechers and fortetechers just stop and make peace with each other?

[ShinMaruku]

There will be peace when people stop trying to infringe on others chocices . They are like the Governent.....

[Witchblade56]

Remedy you raise very good points on what shima said.

I think Shima's arguement is based on two things.

1. You're soloing as GT/WT
2. You're in a party with a weak ass Fortetecher that doesnt buff the party.

Now the whole rod versus wand thing? Casting speed is everything when youre in a jam especially when trying to cure. For this Wands>rods. For pure multitasking consider a rod > wand. Why do i say this? It's simple; you have four slots with which to bind spells versus two on a wand. Also the S rank rods are supposed to have a lower casting timer than a ranks and if youre force has a Me / Quick that's pretty darned fast casting.

Shima i gotta say i havent seen very many posts recently of fortechers saying rods> wands. They are both situational. One is better in certain situations versus the other. I would personally argue against the whole elitist arguement on any level.

Guntechers/wartechers fulill a very particular role in pt. They are supporters/damage dealers. With dark bullets out you have a higher damage over time status than burn. This huge as it means that mobs are going to die alot faster in s ranks that prior to the patch/update. GTs/WTs also find themselves in the best spot possible to toss out Hail Mary cures when some poor sod is getting the shit smashed out of their rectum by a crush of mobs.

Often times when in a pt with a GT/WT i find my job easier as main healer. I find that i can nuke just a tiny bit more than I could without one in pt.

I will say this though that it is entirely unfair to any GT/WT to make them main healers in a pt running S ranks -.-

So far as megistar being used in a party setting; I'd only personally use it if the Fortetecher was sucking ass and only nuking. If youre in a party that has a fortetecher with properly leveled buffs to thirty and they are willing to cast them and notify the party to gather for them; shelve it in favor of the level 30 buffs. They last longer and boost your stats considerably.

I see two sides to this and i dont think one is any more correct than the other. It's situational http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif It's also comparing apples to oranges. A butterknife has nothing to do with a teaspoon http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif



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[zanotam]

you must be lying shimarisu! Or atleast you haven't tried a halarod, the halarod shotos almost as fast as normal wand i guess it has a speed boost.

[Nani-chan]

On 2007-01-15 12:06, zanotam wrote:
you must be lying shimarisu! Or atleast you haven't tried a halarod, the halarod shotos almost as fast as normal wand i guess it has a speed boost.



Of course she hasn't tried it. It's both Newman Fortetecher only and not available to 99.99% of players yet.

[Witchblade56]

You know what's annoying about the halarod? It has a higher synthesis success rate than Howrods -.-

[BoxerMcBoxe]

I think my friend said something about 7% of max hp (rounded up) about three times, Im not quite sure if its this tech though. I lub WT

[Gazette]

Considering the majority of FT I've been stuck with only buff at the beginning and the end of a map, this'll save me some time once it comes out.

Plus it'll free up some debuff slots as well..
Always a good thing.

[-Shimarisu-]

On 2007-01-15 06:55, Remedy wrote:
Uh... Every class but Fortecher benefits from all four buff technics, and the only one we don't benefit from is Shifta.

Shifta: Any Gun-using or Melee-using class
Deband: All Classes
Zodial: All Classes for EVP boost, Melee-using and Gun-using classes for ATA boost
Retier: All Classes for MST boost, Tech-using classes for TAP boost


So yes, casting your full array of buffs as a Fortecher isn't a waste at all, and is something that we should do as a rule. Yes, I'm not calling into question the quality of Megistar as a soloing tool for Gun/Wartechers, I'm saying it's rubbish as any sort of party tool (given that it doesn't effect the party) and that if you have the room for all four buffs, there's no reason NOT to use the four buffs instead of Megistar.

Additionally, Megistar isn't even out in JP PSU yet, so god only knows how long we'll be waiting on it. *shrug*

Also, as a final note: Me/Quick reduces spell cast time so much that except on basic technics (Diga, Foie, Barta, Zonde), a rod with it is faster than a wand without it, so... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



You called it soloing "crud". You stink of Forte elitist.

Everyone BENEFITS from the boosts, but GT and WT benefit most from them. They are mostly redundant for everybody else in MOST runs atm. I often join a party where a forte has cast just the ATP and DEF boosts, but will cast the others on me when they see what class I am.

Actually early on in the class I missed a lot. I don't miss now, so I don't even NEED extra ATA.