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Solo_Wing
Jan 16, 2007, 07:38 AM
Never saw this posted any where sorry if it is.


XBOX 360 DEMO
Phantasy Star Universe Demo Weekend Promotion

Are you an offline Phantasy Star Universe Phan? Are you still undecided about the PSU Online Community? Well, now we have a great way for you to try the PSU Online experience, and get a great start in the community.

Starting Saturday, February 3rd, at midnight PST, we will be having a super Sonic Demo Weekend! Play the demo, and join the PSU Xbox Live community, and you will receive a limited edition Sonic Statue room item with your account! Users must play the PSU Demo February 3rd-4th and purchase a GUARDIANS License for the PSU XBL community by February 28th to be eligible. Only one Sonic Statue per GamerID and GUARDIANS license.

No fair /me wants Sonic statue!

Edit: Source ~ http://www.phantasystaruniverse.com/community_xboxdemo.php



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Ether
Jan 16, 2007, 07:40 AM
I wonder why they didn't do this for people who played the first beta...

Shaidar
Jan 16, 2007, 08:42 AM
And why no Tails? ;_; I'd want a Tails!

Sychosis
Jan 16, 2007, 08:45 AM
On 2007-01-16 04:40, Ether wrote:
I wonder why they didn't do this for people who played the first beta...



Or...you know...people who've been paying since release...

Itchee
Jan 16, 2007, 09:22 AM
Had the demo players been put on the main servers with the rest of us, Id have stripped a Sonic statue offa demo character and given it to my main...but alas...the paying populace gets nada. (BOO!!!)

Zarbolord
Jan 16, 2007, 09:26 AM
On 2007-01-16 05:42, Shaidar wrote:
And why no Tails? ;_; I'd want a Tails!



Id like Nights

Sekani
Jan 16, 2007, 09:28 AM
So... any way existing subscribers can get in on this?

Zarbolord
Jan 16, 2007, 09:31 AM
maybe later, I dunno XD I think they'll add them as rare decos later on, I hope so anyway, this would just suck, if you sell one it would be for 999 999 999 >.>

Xtian913
Jan 16, 2007, 09:49 AM
I just saw this news too and its extremely unfair to all of us how hopped onboard since day 1! I hope Sega does something for all us who signed up since day one - although I doubt it...

Ryoten
Jan 16, 2007, 10:30 AM
lol. So many hacker roaming around.... well anyway, why can't PC/PS2 get something like this?! I wanted the whole crew.....

MomoHana
Jan 16, 2007, 10:31 AM
Hey Foamcup. You can't. You want something to bark at bark at the whoever the suits decided it was a good idea to put this on PS2 because that is why we can't have stuff patched.

Abarai-Renji
Jan 16, 2007, 12:06 PM
i feel ripped off. chances are some of the people who participate in this will sell theirs for an outrageous price.

Itchee
Jan 16, 2007, 12:14 PM
On 2007-01-16 09:06, Abarai-Renji wrote:
i feel ripped off. chances are some of the people who participate in this will sell theirs for an outrageous price.



Highly doubtful....unless someone hacks the decoration into the full-release NA/EU PC version. Demo users get it free....so if its being bought/sold on the demo servers....well...thats just plain stupidity, then. Haha...

-Crokar-
Jan 16, 2007, 12:15 PM
another thing sega does to irritate its loyal gamers...

Merumeru
Jan 16, 2007, 12:18 PM
XD yay another demo, ill be able to make a makeshift Meru and greet everyone on 360 <3

ShinMaruku
Jan 16, 2007, 12:25 PM
On 2007-01-16 05:42, Shaidar wrote:
And why no Tails? ;_; I'd want a Tails!


Because tails is a girl. <_<

RadiantLegend
Jan 16, 2007, 12:31 PM
I want a hucast statue.

Ryogen
Jan 16, 2007, 12:31 PM
Heh, I can only see one person to get this and that is MayLee. Other than that...it sucks..well. I can try to get one. It will suck for PC/PS2 players though. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif *rubs salt in player's wound*

Ryogen
Jan 16, 2007, 12:32 PM
On 2007-01-16 09:25, ShinMaruku wrote:

On 2007-01-16 05:42, Shaidar wrote:
And why no Tails? ;_; I'd want a Tails!


Because tails is a girl. <_<



Tails is a boy... >_>

MomoHana
Jan 16, 2007, 12:34 PM
It's to bad we'll be able to make the statues later on regardless >.<

Tahldon
Jan 16, 2007, 12:35 PM
On 2007-01-16 09:25, ShinMaruku wrote:

On 2007-01-16 05:42, Shaidar wrote:
And why no Tails? ;_; I'd want a Tails!


Because tails is a girl. <_<



What?! How dare you disgrace Tails!

You better be a "New gen" gamer >:( to say something like that.

Xtian913
Jan 16, 2007, 12:36 PM
On 2007-01-16 09:14, Itchee wrote:

On 2007-01-16 09:06, Abarai-Renji wrote:
i feel ripped off. chances are some of the people who participate in this will sell theirs for an outrageous price.



Highly doubtful....unless someone hacks the decoration into the full-release NA/EU PC version. Demo users get it free....so if its being bought/sold on the demo servers....well...thats just plain stupidity, then. Haha...



Well, no, the Sonic statue is for people who are going to play the beta and then buy a Guardian License:

"Play the demo, and join the PSU Xbox Live community, and you will receive a limited edition Sonic Statue room item with your account! Users must play the PSU Demo February 3rd-4th and purchase a GUARDIANS License for the PSU XBL community by February 28th to be eligible. Only one Sonic Statue per GamerID and GUARDIANS license."

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Itchee
Jan 16, 2007, 12:38 PM
On 2007-01-16 09:36, Xtian913 wrote:

On 2007-01-16 09:14, Itchee wrote:

On 2007-01-16 09:06, Abarai-Renji wrote:
i feel ripped off. chances are some of the people who participate in this will sell theirs for an outrageous price.



Highly doubtful....unless someone hacks the decoration into the full-release NA/EU PC version. Demo users get it free....so if its being bought/sold on the demo servers....well...thats just plain stupidity, then. Haha...



Well, no, the Sonic statue is for people who are going to play the beta and then buy a Guardian License:

"Play the demo, and join the PSU Xbox Live community, and you will receive a limited edition Sonic Statue room item with your account! Users must play the PSU Demo February 3rd-4th and purchase a GUARDIANS License for the PSU XBL community by February 28th to be eligible. Only one Sonic Statue per GamerID and GUARDIANS license."

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



Ah, I see. So we have to wait for it to be duped then?? Haha...

MayLee
Jan 16, 2007, 12:39 PM
On 2007-01-16 06:26, Zarbolord wrote:

On 2007-01-16 05:42, Shaidar wrote:
And why no Tails? ;_; I'd want a Tails!



Id like Nights

I want both. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Xtian913
Jan 16, 2007, 12:43 PM
I would feel jipped if I was a major Sonic fan, but I only want it for the collector's bug in me.

MayLee
Jan 16, 2007, 12:47 PM
On 2007-01-16 09:31, Ryogen wrote:
Heh, I can only see one person to get this and that is MayLee. Other than that...it sucks..well. I can try to get one. It will suck for PC/PS2 players though. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif *rubs salt in player's wound*



You damn right. >__>


I want them statues if it is the last thing I'll do. <_<

MomoHana
Jan 16, 2007, 12:51 PM
We'll get statues. Jeez.

Thrash777
Jan 16, 2007, 01:39 PM
Knuckles FTW

MomoHana
Jan 16, 2007, 01:40 PM
Knuckles, Amy, Sonic and Tails will be obtainable.

ShinMaruku
Jan 16, 2007, 01:41 PM
On 2007-01-16 09:32, Ryogen wrote:

On 2007-01-16 09:25, ShinMaruku wrote:

On 2007-01-16 05:42, Shaidar wrote:
And why no Tails? ;_; I'd want a Tails!


Because tails is a girl. <_<



Tails is a boy... >_>


http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4963/1117238290175ty4.jpg

Sekani
Jan 16, 2007, 01:57 PM
Where the hell do you find this... disturbing artwork?

Never mind, I don't think I want to know.

Jozon
Jan 16, 2007, 02:00 PM
http://mewn.psupedia.org/PSU/roomgoods/nights.png

uber

Crosisomega
Jan 16, 2007, 02:00 PM
Aye, Tails is female o_O Any true Sonic guru would know this =P

And I will probably get one as my room mate is downloading te demo as we speak. -begins careful plotting to obtain this sacred relic- Mwuahaha!

ShinMaruku
Jan 16, 2007, 02:12 PM
On 2007-01-16 10:57, Sekani wrote:
Where the hell do you find this... disturbing artwork?

Never mind, I don't think I want to know.


Don't tempt me to dig deeper. These are the tame ones. XD

MayLee
Jan 16, 2007, 02:15 PM
On 2007-01-16 11:00, Crosisomega wrote:
Aye, Tails is female o_O Any true Sonic guru would know this =P

And I will probably get one as my room mate is downloading te demo as we speak. -begins careful plotting to obtain this sacred relic- Mwuahaha!



How is tails a girl when it's obvious in the comic book and the old cartoons that he's a boy...Possibly at the age of 12.

Crosisomega
Jan 16, 2007, 02:18 PM
On 2007-01-16 11:15, MayLee wrote:

On 2007-01-16 11:00, Crosisomega wrote:
Aye, Tails is female o_O Any true Sonic guru would know this =P

And I will probably get one as my room mate is downloading te demo as we speak. -begins careful plotting to obtain this sacred relic- Mwuahaha!



How is tails a girl when it's obvious in the comic book and the old cartoons that he's a boy...Possibly at the age of 12.


Because Maruku said so? >_> Im no guru myself im afraid so I cant really be sure. Just jumping headfirst into the bandwagon ._.

ShinMaruku
Jan 16, 2007, 02:19 PM
The old cartoons where American giving Sonic a story when at the time Sonic had no story other than "Robtonic is bad, break his machines"

Akaimizu
Jan 16, 2007, 02:24 PM
Ugh. Yeah, I remember those. The gender mistranslations were rampant back then. Heck, even as far forward as the horrible translated anime Samurai Shodown (not the much more recent good Samurai Shodowns that never made it to America), they changed Shiro Amakusa into a woman. He was prettied up royalty, for his age, but he was definitely supposed to be a man.

Even worse, how the heck they think a dude name "Shiro" is a woman, I don't know? It's like naming a woman Rasputant or Timothy.

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Ryoten
Jan 16, 2007, 02:38 PM
On 2007-01-16 11:18, Crosisomega wrote:

On 2007-01-16 11:15, MayLee wrote:
[quote]On 2007-01-16 11:00, Crosisomega wrote:
Aye, Tails is female o_O Any true Sonic guru would know this =P

And I will probably get one as my room mate is downloading te demo as we speak. -begins careful plotting to obtain this sacred relic- Mwuahaha!



How is tails a girl when it's obvious in the comic book and the old cartoons that he's a boy...Possibly at the age of 12.


If you are a true Sonic fan, like myself & many others, Tails is,in fact, a bonafide boy. This goes all the back to around 93 when that started airing the cartoon on ABC.

Akaimizu
Jan 16, 2007, 02:40 PM
Not sure this was to be taken seriously. It's just a joke on bad translators and various artists who just love to do various gender swaps with various characters.

MayLee
Jan 16, 2007, 02:41 PM
On 2007-01-16 11:24, Akaimizu wrote:
Ugh. Yeah, I remember those. The gender mistranslations were rampant back then. Heck, even as far forward as the horrible translated anime Samurai Shodown (not the much more recent good Samurai Shodowns that never made it to America), they changed Shiro Amakusa into a woman. He was prettied up royalty, for his age, but he was definitely supposed to be a man.

Even worse, how the heck they think a dude name "Shiro" is a woman, I don't know? It's like naming a woman Rasputant or Timothy.

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Doesn't "Shiro" mean "White?

Anywho, yes Miles, AKA Tails is a boy..People used to think Knuckles was a girl back then.

Oy.. X.x

Akaimizu
Jan 16, 2007, 02:44 PM
On 2007-01-16 11:41, MayLee wrote:

Doesn't "Shiro" mean "White?

Anywho, yes Miles, AKA Tails is a boy..People used to think Knuckles was a girl back then.

Oy.. X.x



Yes, White is the general known meaning of it. It's also a known Male name, as well.

kayo100
Jan 16, 2007, 03:13 PM
On 2007-01-16 11:41, MayLee wrote:

On 2007-01-16 11:24, Akaimizu wrote:
Ugh. Yeah, I remember those. The gender mistranslations were rampant back then. Heck, even as far forward as the horrible translated anime Samurai Shodown (not the much more recent good Samurai Shodowns that never made it to America), they changed Shiro Amakusa into a woman. He was prettied up royalty, for his age, but he was definitely supposed to be a man.

Even worse, how the heck they think a dude name "Shiro" is a woman, I don't know? It's like naming a woman Rasputant or Timothy.

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Doesn't "Shiro" mean "White?

Anywho, yes Miles, AKA Tails is a boy..People used to think Knuckles was a girl back then.

Oy.. X.x



knuckles is a girl =p

Sephlock
Jan 16, 2007, 03:21 PM
On 2007-01-16 11:24, Akaimizu wrote:
Even worse, how the heck they think a dude name "Shiro" is a woman, I don't know? It's like naming a woman Rasputant or Timothy.


Or Bridget http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif.

http://www.guiltygearx2reload.com/images/char/selb19.gif

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Akaimizu
Jan 16, 2007, 03:23 PM
Now now, Bridget was completely on purpose according to the story. As far as most people were *supposed* to know, Bridget was a girl. He had all the formal training to be quite the princess, actually. What makes him funny is his *attempts* to act more boyish given his entire upbringing was the opposite.



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MayLee
Jan 16, 2007, 03:24 PM
On 2007-01-16 12:21, Sephlock wrote:

On 2007-01-16 11:24, Akaimizu wrote:
Even worse, how the heck they think a dude name "Shiro" is a woman, I don't know? It's like naming a woman Rasputant or Timothy.


Or Bridget http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif.



Bridget has a reason for crossdressing.

It's not fair he was raised as a chick..and who knows could have both male and female parts. >___>

BOWSER5150
Jan 16, 2007, 03:26 PM
ya good job sega give that to the new guys and not the ones that been paying to play for months now

Ronzeru
Jan 16, 2007, 03:28 PM
*SCREAAAAAAAAAAAMS IN A FIT OF RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE AND ANGST* "FUCK YOU SEGA FUCK YOU!!! GOD DAMN YOU! Now I have to save over 300k+ meseta or something to buy a fuckin sonic statue from some god damn n00b, or either lower myself to the disgusting levels of some other players, and try to fuckin CON a fuckin' new player out of it, and I don't want to feel dirty, cause i'm not a dirty person, but sonic is my crack so it'll make me sell my first born child to get one, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrAAAAAAAAAAAANGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(PS: I am not being sarcastic to anyone.. I really am pissed off. )

Love, Ronzeru

Sychosis
Jan 16, 2007, 03:35 PM
It's ok Ron, let it all out.

Ronzeru
Jan 16, 2007, 03:53 PM
On 2007-01-16 12:35, Sychosis wrote:
It's ok Ron, let it all out.



*Sobs into Nyasia's shoulder*

Akaimizu
Jan 16, 2007, 03:57 PM
I'm sure, they may come to their senses and also grant us *longer timers* a bit of the Sonic love as well. Which reminds me, I still need to get those DVDs of the Sonic cartoons. (That is, the good ones that used to show on Saturdays).

MayLee
Jan 16, 2007, 03:59 PM
On 2007-01-16 12:53, Ronzeru wrote:

On 2007-01-16 12:35, Sychosis wrote:
It's ok Ron, let it all out.



*Sobs into Nyasia's shoulder*



Mmm, Man love. =)

MayLee
Jan 16, 2007, 04:01 PM
On 2007-01-16 12:57, Akaimizu wrote:
I'm sure, they may come to their senses and also grant us *longer timers* a bit of the Sonic love as well. Which reminds me, I still need to get those DVDs of the Sonic cartoons. (That is, the good ones that used to show on Saturdays).



Sonic X?

Jozon
Jan 16, 2007, 04:02 PM
On 2007-01-16 12:59, MayLee wrote:

On 2007-01-16 12:53, Ronzeru wrote:

On 2007-01-16 12:35, Sychosis wrote:
It's ok Ron, let it all out.



*Sobs into Nyasia's shoulder*



Mmm, Man love. =)


that's...........just not right

chaostroop
Jan 16, 2007, 04:03 PM
AAAARRRRGGGGG MUST KILL SONIC TEAM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGG I WHANT A SONIC STACHUE i fell so sad =( (srry if i broke a rule or something doing that)

EDIT: made the AAAARRRGGGGs much much much MUCH smaller =)

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Akaimizu
Jan 16, 2007, 04:09 PM
On 2007-01-16 13:01, MayLee wrote:

On 2007-01-16 12:57, Akaimizu wrote:
I'm sure, they may come to their senses and also grant us *longer timers* a bit of the Sonic love as well. Which reminds me, I still need to get those DVDs of the Sonic cartoons. (That is, the good ones that used to show on Saturdays).



Sonic X?



I believe that's the one.

Sekani
Jan 16, 2007, 04:10 PM
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Ryogen
Jan 16, 2007, 04:14 PM
On 2007-01-16 10:41, ShinMaruku wrote:

On 2007-01-16 09:32, Ryogen wrote:

On 2007-01-16 09:25, ShinMaruku wrote:

On 2007-01-16 05:42, Shaidar wrote:
And why no Tails? ;_; I'd want a Tails!


Because tails is a girl. <_<



Tails is a boy... >_>


http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4963/1117238290175ty4.jpg



LOL you wish. Stop trying to sex change poor tails! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

chaostroop
Jan 16, 2007, 04:20 PM
lol tails was a girl in the jp sonic (i think)

Akaimizu
Jan 16, 2007, 04:22 PM
I don't know which one he would've been a girl though. They would've *had* to have changed him to male rather quickly. I've had Japanese Sonics where he was male, not to mention the comics. Not one, with the opposite. Sonic Team *historically* tends to be pretty obvious with genders, with their characters.

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Ryogen
Jan 16, 2007, 04:40 PM
Tails (AKA Miles in Japan) is male. Although when I was a kid I kinda thought he was female. Tails was always a male.

Ronzeru
Jan 16, 2007, 04:48 PM
On 2007-01-16 12:59, MayLee wrote:

On 2007-01-16 12:53, Ronzeru wrote:

On 2007-01-16 12:35, Sychosis wrote:
It's ok Ron, let it all out.



*Sobs into Nyasia's shoulder*



Mmm, Man love. =)



I'm too upset to even talk about MayLee's yaoi fetishes... *Continues to sob into Nyasia's shoulders* In in anycase, Nyasia I think counts more as a dickgirl, so that'd be Shota, not man love.

Ronzeru
Jan 16, 2007, 04:53 PM
On 2007-01-16 13:40, Ryogen wrote:
Tails (AKA Miles in Japan) is male. Although when I was a kid I kinda thought he was female. Tails was always a male.



His name isn't Miles in japan. It's miles everywhere. His full name has always been Tails Miles Prower.

Ryogen
Jan 16, 2007, 04:56 PM
On 2007-01-16 13:53, Ronzeru wrote:

On 2007-01-16 13:40, Ryogen wrote:
Tails (AKA Miles in Japan) is male. Although when I was a kid I kinda thought he was female. Tails was always a male.



His name isn't Miles in japan. It's miles everywhere. His full name has always been Tails Miles Prower.



My falt, that is what I actually ment to say. I always think back when it comes to Sonic rather than thinking to what I know today.

Ronzeru
Jan 16, 2007, 05:13 PM
i'm a sonic fanboy =/

MayLee
Jan 16, 2007, 05:14 PM
I'm a sonic Fangirl.

Wheee.

Yaoi...yaoi..yaoi. No kidding. =

Remedy
Jan 16, 2007, 05:19 PM
On 2007-01-16 13:53, Ronzeru wrote:
His name isn't Miles in japan. It's miles everywhere. His full name has always been Tails Miles Prower.Miles "Tails" Prower. Tails is his nickname, Miles is his actual name. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Ronzeru
Jan 16, 2007, 05:20 PM
Sonic. He can really move. SONIC! He's gotta attitude. SONIC! He's the fastest thing alive-eiiiiiiiiiiiiiive!

Ronzeru
Jan 16, 2007, 05:20 PM
On 2007-01-16 14:19, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-01-16 13:53, Ronzeru wrote:
His name isn't Miles in japan. It's miles everywhere. His full name has always been Tails Miles Prower.Miles "Tails" Prower. Tails is his nickname, Miles is his actual name. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif




Do you want a spin dash to the nuts?

Sychosis
Jan 16, 2007, 05:21 PM
On 2007-01-16 13:48, Ronzeru wrote:

On 2007-01-16 12:59, MayLee wrote:

On 2007-01-16 12:53, Ronzeru wrote:

On 2007-01-16 12:35, Sychosis wrote:
It's ok Ron, let it all out.



*Sobs into Nyasia's shoulder*



Mmm, Man love. =)



I'm too upset to even talk about MayLee's yaoi fetishes... *Continues to sob into Nyasia's shoulders* In in anycase, Nyasia I think counts more as a dickgirl, so that'd be Shota, not man love.



Um...thanks?

ShinMaruku
Jan 16, 2007, 07:07 PM
Tails was originally supposed to be a girl. So I don't know where any of you been gettign that right now, I cna't tell or won't try. My word is law and Tails is a girl! @_@ Never doubt your God....

chaostroop
Jan 16, 2007, 07:12 PM
On 2007-01-16 14:19, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-01-16 13:53, Ronzeru wrote:
His name isn't Miles in japan. It's miles everywhere. His full name has always been Tails Miles Prower.Miles "Tails" Prower. Tails is his nickname, Miles is his actual name. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

ummmm what she said (yes its Miles Tails Prower i know this from countless hours of playing sonic)

NPCMook
Jan 16, 2007, 08:07 PM
What you should all look at is... all the male animal characters in Sonic do not wear clothes; Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, all the females do; Amy, Cream

Not this is with the exception of that other early on Sonic cartoon...I forget the name T_T but it has a severe lack of Chili dogs

Maridia
Jan 16, 2007, 08:26 PM
On 2007-01-16 16:07, ShinMaruku wrote:
Tails was originally supposed to be a girl. So I don't know where any of you been gettign that right now, I cna't tell or won't try. My word is law and Tails is a girl! @_@ Never doubt your God....



Quote your sources or gtfo. You sound more like one of those people who WANT to believe it so you can more easily make bad hentai or fanfics. *shudder* MILES IS A BOY. END OF STORY. He just sounds prepubescent and because he's young.

Anyway, I want a knuckles statue so badly. @_@ He's friggin badass. <3 I'm pretty ticked that ST is doing this but, eh.. Not much we can do. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif