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magenta
Jan 19, 2007, 07:13 AM
My calculations on costs of synthing 9* weapons
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10 photons - varies - contributions = 0, reasonable = 3,000 each, 1 week ago mininmum = 10,000 each, now minimum = 30,000 each

T_T times by 10 and you get, 30,000 -> 100,000 -> 300,000

6 Vulcalines = 6 x 8,000 = 48,000
3 Stelniums = 3 x 2,500 = 7,500
9 X Ebons = 9 x 4,000 = 36,000

So total costs for ingredients - sans photons = Ti = 91,500

Total costs with photons (Tip) costing: 3,000 ---- 10,000 ---- 30,000

Tip = 121,500 ---- 191,500 ---- 391,500

*Taking into account success rate of 9* wep (55% chance)

Tips = Tip / 0.55

Tips = 220,910 ---- 348,182 ---- 711,818

Multiply each by 3 for total productivity

Tipps = 662,730 ---- 1,044,546 ---- 2,135,454

Add cost of board (165,000) and divide by 3 to get final costage for synthers

Tacc = (Tipps + 165,000) / 3

Tacc = 275,910 ---- 403,182 ---- 766,818
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So i have decided to use 2 shops, one for general public, and one for cheap photon sellers and contributors

yes i have used npc prices for other ingredients, since searching for minimum priced photons (30,000 nowadays) was bad enough - also the majority of player shops actually sell the other ingredients for HIGHER prices than the npc.

Anyway, for cheap photon sellers and contributors (team members & friends)I will sell weps for 220k-280k, for others I have to sell weps at my public shop for 770k (starting today).

KEEP in mind that 30,000 is the minimum price i saw today for elemental photons (not taking into account that rays can cost MUCH more than other photons)

so its really up to photon sellers to keep prices of weapons down.
*prays that sega makes elemental photons available in npc stores soon*

T_T




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ljkkjlcm9
Jan 19, 2007, 07:45 AM
ok... but unless I have access to your cheaper shop... why is this of interest to me?

THE JACKEL

Laranas
Jan 19, 2007, 12:04 PM
I think i may just sell my photons for 300 meseta again

Reiichi
Jan 19, 2007, 12:13 PM
I bought about 3 stacks of photons yesterday for 5k tops. I'm sure you can probably do it too, but rays will likely be the exception.

91500+50000(photonsx10)+55000(board) = 196500
196500 / .49 or .55 (yes, swords synth at 49% instead of 55%) = 350k~400k

Considering trash elemental weapons are well, trash. I try to get rid of them at as low as 250k and as high as 350k (ice the exception). Of course any decent weapon I price for profit. Considering that 50% weapons are practically unbuyable with meseta, I think it works out well. I do though, find myself losing a little bit of money if 5k photons is the best I can do. Now if only people will buy the trash I have posted at 250k.

770k is lol. If they do sell at that price hey stranger things have happened. I view synthing like FFXI where on bad synths you lose, and good synths you win. It'd be nice if even trash would sell consistently for a profit, but stuff doesn't move fast enough out of my shop at profit prices.

magenta
Jan 19, 2007, 12:20 PM
well rule is

I sell cheap ONLY IF you sell cheap.

yeah 770k for any weapon is ridiculous, but keep in mind that the MINIMUM price i saw for elemental photons is 30k.. EACH..

Reiichi
Jan 19, 2007, 01:46 PM
Half the shops you saw were also likely storage. Unfortunately you probably just searched at a bad time when more of those shops, or 30k+ shops were up. I saw tons of 10k and 15k shops yesterday that I passed over because that's out of my price range =p.

magenta
Jan 19, 2007, 01:59 PM
looked again.. i saw some selling 20k+ but under 30k+.. nope i havent seen anyone selling under 20k T_T.

and the average is still ABOVE 30k, and thats discounting the storage ones too.

ljkkjlcm9
Jan 19, 2007, 02:13 PM
selling it for more than... 500 is absurd. Photons aren't that hard to come by, just go get them yourself

THE JACKEL

magenta
Jan 19, 2007, 02:49 PM
i do hunt photons, but even a couple of hrs in LLS yields 1-3 (3 if lucky) of each one apart from megi which i can be 4-7

processing 2 or more boards at the same time, to make a decent amount for sales means 20+ photons or around 10hrs to farm.

i dont play psu just to farm photons T_T

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Laranas
Jan 19, 2007, 03:35 PM
I forgot that I didnt have a store and need to synth dbl sabers... if it wasnt for that I'd sell my photons cheap (like under 500 meseta ea regardless of type). I dont want inflated meseta, so I'm not going to sell for inflated prices.

ljkkjlcm9
Jan 19, 2007, 04:37 PM
don't do LL S if you're farming photons, do LL C

THE JACKEL



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Nicodareus
Jan 19, 2007, 11:19 PM
I rarely pay over 1k for a photon and tend to find plenty, but in general I know how to find the right shops... Heh.. Bought 40 ray photons for 500 a piece a couple of days ago.. It's really not all that hard, just gotta use a little common search when you are searching for them. (I.e. Just searching for photons truncates your list and generally with the majority of higher prices listed).. And 10k-30k is far from unreasonable for them.. Every time stronger weapons come out, the prices of photons go UP.. Thats just the way it is.. The more useful they are and the more of them you need, the higher the price will be.. Supply and demand.. Demand and usefulness are going up. Supply is going down. And elemental photons arent so common that you can just go farm them if you are a serious synther.. Personally I don't understand why ANYONE is selling ANY weapons cheaper than you can make them, especially all the damn 9* guns and wands/staves I see for 300k-400k a piece.. Makes them impossible to profit off of other than somehow lucking into all the ingredients (find or cheap buy from a shop) to make one and hoping it works. But, ah well.. More power to all the bad businessmen of Phantasy Star Universe.. Looks like profiting off of ANYTHING but 30%+ weapons died with 8* weapons. R.I.P. Common sense.

Aaron777
Jan 20, 2007, 02:19 AM
I always sell for 10k....Look for Mosen on PC

magenta
Jan 20, 2007, 07:33 AM
On 2007-01-19 20:19, Nicodareus wrote:
I rarely pay over 1k for a photon and tend to find plenty, but in general I know how to find the right shops... Heh.. Bought 40 ray photons for 500 a piece a couple of days ago.. It's really not all that hard, just gotta use a little common search when you are searching for them. (I.e. Just searching for photons truncates your list and generally with the majority of higher prices listed).. And 10k-30k is far from unreasonable for them.. Every time stronger weapons come out, the prices of photons go UP.. Thats just the way it is.. The more useful they are and the more of them you need, the higher the price will be.. Supply and demand.. Demand and usefulness are going up. Supply is going down. And elemental photons arent so common that you can just go farm them if you are a serious synther.. Personally I don't understand why ANYONE is selling ANY weapons cheaper than you can make them, especially all the damn 9* guns and wands/staves I see for 300k-400k a piece.. Makes them impossible to profit off of other than somehow lucking into all the ingredients (find or cheap buy from a shop) to make one and hoping it works. But, ah well.. More power to all the bad businessmen of Phantasy Star Universe.. Looks like profiting off of ANYTHING but 30%+ weapons died with 8* weapons. R.I.P. Common sense.



i searched several times in one day. looked at all variables i can put into search, (ie. photon, zon, ban, megi, ray,..etc)

and still i didnt find any photon less than 20k. and again average is way above 30k (near 100k)

im not even contemplating of synthing 9* armour (unless im absolutely desperate) cos of the ingredients

30 vulcalines - 240k
40 nanoresins - 240k
board - 130k

15 photons - minimum expected = 15 x 30k = 450k

success rate = 37%

doing the maths

total for ingredients = T = 930,000
accounting for success rate = Ts = T/0.37 = 2.51mil

multiply by 3 for productivity = 7.54mil
add price of board (lol) = 7.67mil

finally divide by 3 for price we must charge (if photons are 30k each)

Price (9* armour) = 2.56mil

without paying for photons price is = 1.34mil T_T


damit

Jaden_Korr
Jan 20, 2007, 11:48 AM
Makes me feel good that I'm selling most elemental photons for 1k,with ray ranging from 2-5 depending on how I'm feeling/needing cash

Starfox1000
Jan 20, 2007, 12:01 PM
O_O i sell em for 250 mesta each!

Witchblade56
Jan 20, 2007, 12:46 PM
I dont make armors anymore for sale for that very reason. I sell elemental weaps that arent high %. Most any 50% i hold onto now.

There is a problem with an imbalance in the economy. We all know the deal lol. Biggest issue is there is an abundance of currency to pay for the weapons being crafted vs the market's ability to keep up with the demand. This creates the current deficit in elemental photons that we are now seeig in the market. Especially with Ray photons since they appear to be the rarest to drop.

I play alot on PSU and partner my business with a friend of mine. I supply her most of the kubara woods i get from skillling my spells up and in return she gives me all her ray photons. This allows me to have several stacks at any given time for me to craft ice weapons with. Not to mention the other elements that drop.

What i would recommend to the OP is to partner up with a friend. Set up a give and take strat that accomodates both of your businesses in game. This has gotten me ahead in making weapons etc.

I wont waste my time anymore with ice armors, that 34% ice sori made is staying with me since no one showed an interest in it.

Just my 0.02

Flwl3ssCowboy
Jan 20, 2007, 01:03 PM
On 2007-01-20 04:33, magenta wrote:

i searched several times in one day. looked at all variables i can put into search, (ie. photon, zon, ban, megi, ray,..etc)

and still i didnt find any photon less than 20k. and again average is way above 30k (near 100k)

im not even contemplating of synthing 9* armour (unless im absolutely desperate) cos of the ingredients

30 vulcalines - 240k
40 nanoresins - 240k
board - 130k

15 photons - minimum expected = 15 x 30k = 450k

success rate = 37%

doing the maths

total for ingredients = T = 930,000
accounting for success rate = Ts = T/0.37 = 2.51mil

multiply by 3 for productivity = 7.54mil
add price of board (lol) = 7.67mil

finally divide by 3 for price we must charge (if photons are 30k each)

Price (9* armour) = 2.56mil

without paying for photons price is = 1.34mil T_T


damit




Being able to make your own EQ: Priceless
For everything else there's doophax money

seriously though, I think part of the problem is that not enoguh people are synthing their OWN stuff (though certainly not the major part of it, but it could help to lower prices)

Witchblade56
Jan 20, 2007, 01:15 PM
I synth my own stuff. But yeah i see your point cowboy. That all factors into the deficit we are seeing with the elemental photons. Not enough people synth their own weaps.

Those that do synthesis on an active basis horde their photons [just as i do]. Considering this situation the people that do sell photons for profit are aware of this and so sell for higher price. This in turn causes the people that do sell to sell at a much higher rate.

magenta
Jan 20, 2007, 01:58 PM
On 2007-01-20 10:03, Flwl3ssCowboy wrote:

On 2007-01-20 04:33, magenta wrote:

i searched several times in one day. looked at all variables i can put into search, (ie. photon, zon, ban, megi, ray,..etc)

and still i didnt find any photon less than 20k. and again average is way above 30k (near 100k)

im not even contemplating of synthing 9* armour (unless im absolutely desperate) cos of the ingredients

30 vulcalines - 240k
40 nanoresins - 240k
board - 130k

15 photons - minimum expected = 15 x 30k = 450k

success rate = 37%

doing the maths

total for ingredients = T = 930,000
accounting for success rate = Ts = T/0.37 = 2.51mil

multiply by 3 for productivity = 7.54mil
add price of board (lol) = 7.67mil

finally divide by 3 for price we must charge (if photons are 30k each)

Price (9* armour) = 2.56mil

without paying for photons price is = 1.34mil T_T


damit




Being able to make your own EQ: Priceless
For everything else there's doophax money



pardon me?..if you think my equation is wrong why dont you bloody back it up with your own calculations here.. come on show us what ur brilliant mathematics are like





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Flwl3ssCowboy
Jan 21, 2007, 07:42 PM
On 2007-01-20 10:58, magenta wrote:
pardon me?..if you think my equation is wrong why dont you bloody back it up with your own calculations here.. come on show us what ur brilliant mathematics are like





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no no, I wasn't implying they were wrong, the numbers and prices and such just reminded me of the Mastercard commercials is all

I would seriously bet it's very much right, I just didn't take a look at it beyond glancing over it

meant no offense there



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