Spinning Break>Dus Daggas

[DummieAcount]

Discuss.

[Jinto117]

As a fortefighter I love both. Das Daggas seems more appropriate for one on one combat and is quicker. I like to use Spinning Break for crowd control, especially when I'm using the right element on the enemy.

[ShinMaruku]

Spinning Break works much on them huge bosses and unload whupass on them.
While Dus Daggas is good to pick off normal mobs.

[Alisha]

spinning break can also hit some flying enemies. in fact i think it can hit the mid section of both robot bosses. is that not thier weak point? i remember using it to hit those flying little dragons instead of whipping out a gun.

[Zorafim]

Spinning break looks silly. Dus Daggas does not. I think we have our winner.

[-Ryuki-]

Dus Daggas > Spinning Break.

[Alisha]

Sword > Spear.

Samurai > Dragoon.

[-Ryuki-]

We're not refering to FFXI. We're refering to classes in general.

Spear > Sword

Dragoon > Samurai

[Reiichi]

DPS dus daggas clearly wins. Spinning break is slowwwwww.

Unless, I feel like pushing 2 mages together that are pretty far aparts. Spinning break is good about closing that distance.

[Sakura123]

Until we get the Dus Dagas nerf, Dus Dagas will remain king.

[-Ryuki-]

On 2007-01-19 22:14, Sakura123 wrote:
Until we get the Dus Dagas nerf, Dus Dagas will remain king.

[Vhex]

On 2007-01-19 22:05, Reiichi wrote:
DPS dus daggas clearly wins. Spinning break is slowwwwww.

Unless, I feel like pushing 2 mages together that are pretty far aparts. Spinning break is good about closing that distance.



Not really? I think Spinning break is kinda fast. Anyway, Dus Daggas sucks on bosses and flying enemies so I like Spinning Break better.

[Syanaide]

On the FFXI topic, the correct answer would be GKT > Spear. No Samurai in their right mind would use a 1h sword or gsword. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Wheatpenny]

On 2007-01-19 21:50, Alisha wrote:
Sword > Spear.

Samurai > Dragoon.



As and Ex FFXI Player and an Ex Sam, I salute you!! Oh and yes at least spinning break isn't getting the shaft on its ajustments...Dus has won this round..but will drop in places soon.

[Zorafim]

I've been suppressing my lance fetish for way to long to hear this junk again. Spears are flipping sweet, swords are bloody lame. I don't care how you rehash swords, or what you do with them. If it's the same oversized oversped weapon I've seen everywhere else, I don't want to see it.

It would be different if it were used more like a knight's sword or a katana, rather than... That.

[Reiichi]

A full spinning break combo is 5 hits, it starts up slow, followed by 1 hit, followed by another 2 hits which has a noticable delay between the last 2 hits.

Bosses move, bosses attack, and you will often times be interrupted before you can pull off a full combo. If the most you can pull off quickly are 2 parts of your 3 PA combo, then you're comparing 5 hits of dus daggas vs. 3 hits of spinning break. Dus daggas will also come out faster, and have more ATA with only a small hit in ATP. Spears are also easier to synth than swords.

Trying to pull off a full spinning break combo on svalt = pray you get lucky. A dus daggas nerf is planned for obvious reasons.

edit: I can't believe you said dus daggas fails on bosses.

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[Alisha]

It would be different if it were used more like a knight's sword or a katana, rather than... That.

you mean like the hanzo and agito swords? those are my favorite ones.
one of the other reasons i like swords over spears is the ease of use without having to lock on,as well as the ease of switching targets mid combo.
i also want to emphasize that just because a weapon is superior doesn't mean i have to use it in a game like psu.

[DummieAcount]

I'd probably agree with spear>sword if it werent for the fact that spears look so god damn goofy when you're just standing still.

[Gen2000]

On 2007-01-19 22:14, Sakura123 wrote:
Until we get the Dus Dagas nerf, Dus Dagas will remain king.



Truth.



Vhex wrote:
Not really? I think Spinning break is kinda fast. Anyway, Dus Daggas sucks on bosses and flying enemies so I like Spinning Break better.


Are you serious?

[Vergil_Sparda]

GRAVITY DANCE!!!11!!11!:-P



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[DizzyDi]

On 2007-01-19 21:51, RyukiZero wrote:
We're not refering to FFXI. We're refering to classes in general.

Spear > Sword

Dragoon > Samurai



srsly. Besides, Dus Daggas looks cooler, and is a lot easier to aim IMO.

[Nayte]

I like the look of spiining break better, and how is spinning break harder to aim when its the same type of attack? especially when using lock on.

[ShinMaruku]

Dragoon owns Samurai. The LOD Dragoon! You can't match the divin dragon cannon!



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[Wheatpenny]

I don't know I have been playing with Spinning Break and I have to be honest I actualy have grown more fond of it than Dus Daggas. Also on an odd note when you attack with it doesen't it look like the Spiral Attack power up from Ninja Gaiden 1 for NES?

[OdinTyler]

On 2007-01-19 22:30, Syanaide wrote:
On the FFXI topic, the correct answer would be GKT > Spear. No Samurai in their right mind would use a 1h sword or gsword. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



I must disagree. A samurai worth his weight in rice (yes, I said rice) would be competent with both a single & twin swords. A large 2h sword would slow him/her down however.

Anyway, Ive tried both of these PAs & really, it depends on your char. A large 2h sword PA is cool & yes, it does hit flying enemies. However, for speed & crowd control, Dus Daggas is pretty damn impressive. This is an objective viewpoint as both abilities are on my Beast. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[panzer_unit]

I've stuck to Dus Daggas rather than learning Spinning Break so far.

In the long run I plan on ditching Spears on my Protranser... but its the new Axe PA that will be filling the void. The first 2 moves are 2 hits each right?

[Nayte]

All of the good players will have them both http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Rashiid]

i like spinnig break better since its a change of pace when using the big sword, instead of attacking, then tornado break, which is another spin....boring.....

plus the new spear PA pwns Dus Dagas

[-Ryuki-]

Hey wait. So does that mean I'm a bad player because I don't use a Sword, period? =/

In regards to Dus Rabado "pwning" Dus Daggas, that's not entirely true. I was doing the some calculating, and well, here:

Dus Daggas = 7 hits, 2 targets, 87% accuracy, and 190% attack.
Dus Rabado = 5 hits, 3 targets, 85% accuracy and 155% attack.

Let's do some quick math (I feel like I'm in school again >.<). Using 100 damage as an example for normal damage, we'll do the math:

Dus Daggas
100x1.9=290 (Raised damage due to attack power of the PA)
290x8=2320 (Number of hits)
2320x2=4680 (Rough total if all hits connect and two enemies are hit at the sametime)

Dus Rabado
100x1.55=255
255x5=1275
1275x3=3825 (Rough total if three enemies were hit)

Since Rabado hits more enemies, the total damage done would be close to Daggas. Otherwise, it's weaker in comparison. The 2% ACC different from 85-87% doesn't affect much in MY opinion.

In conclusion, Rabado would pwn Daggas if you believed it did, because in the end, it's based on preference. Pierce, or AoE, would be the preference. It shouldn't be about the amount of damage one does =)

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Yep, I calculated incorrectly. Daggas does a lot more damage. Also, I more than likely did the math wrong, so if I'm proven wrong, there'll be no hard feelings XD

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[-Ryuki-]

[DisRegard this post.]

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[biggabertha]

I worked out Dus Daggas coming out for 1330 damage with 100 damage per hit as normal and worked with 190% attack. Hitting one enemy seven times makes it 1330 damage. Hitting two enemies will make it 2660 damage.

Dus Robado comes out as 775 damage if you only have one enemy and all hits connect. If you hit three enemies all five times, it's 2325 damage if all the hits connect.

They're quite close then I believe but I think Dus Daggas is getting a power reduction soon so Dus Robado will beat it iin terms of pure damage against the maximum amount of enemies. However, I could swear I've hit three enemies with Dus Daggas before... Ah well.


Let's not forget that for some Photon Arts, that the attack percentage increases for the last part of the combo which will upset mathematics and the calculations.

[-Ryuki-]

I KNEW I did something wrong. 4K damage with Spear seemed a little outrageous XD

[Sakura123]

Dus Dagas is indeed overpowered. Each PA hit doing 800-900 each hit plus the 1.1k-1.2k random criticals during it. (With the proper elemental weapon, in my case 38% Ice Muktrand). And I am a cast fighunner. A beast Forte must do more with it.

Talk about overpowered.



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[Zorafim]

The last three hits of Dus target three enemies, not two. That makes for much happy fun time.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-01-19 22:28, Vhex wrote:
Dus Daggas sucks on bosses
I lol'd.

[-Ryuki-]

Well then, I've miscalculated even more XD