RAmar vs RAcast

[burning_card]

In your opinion, what character is better and why? Be it stats, weapon selection, etc.

I'm just curious, i just made a RAcast and he's pretty cool but a friend of mine thinks RAmar are better, maybe i don't know what i'm missing lol.

[pso-dude]

RA mars have more ata and they have tech,they also have less atp than a racast,just inverse this for the cast its simple.

[burning_card]

SO you're saying there isn't much difference between the two? I understand the stat differences, but gameplay differences change between the two, or at least i would assume they would. RAmars have techs (not very good onesb ut still techs) and that's got to have an impact, same with the ATA differences. (And traps)

[Jaspaller]

ATA can make a big difference for some weapons like ones with charge (Baranz Launcher) or ones with one hit combos (like the Bazooka's). Although RAmars do have less ATP the Shifta does cover it pretty well. You can live without traps, getting a frozen shooter substitutes the Freeze traps.

It's mainly that RAmar's shifta/deband/resta helps out a lot. Taking a lot of damage and still being able to heal it. RAcast has lots of HP so, same thing except your a bit more limited. RAcasts will have to stick to using Photon Blasts if they aren't with a Force which will boost ATP past the RAmars

[KojiroAK]

Also note that casts have bonuses in Arrest, Confuse, Freeze and Kings Special.
(What special comes in handy with Spread Needle)

But they have a penalty in Demons/Devils but only in ultimate.

I would say if you go for Single RAmar it's a little better.
If you plan to play with a Forcer, RAcast is your choice.
(even if i would prefer there the RAcaseal, due to the higher Def, she makes a good shield for the Forcer)
But the absolute Singleplayer character is in my opinion still RAmarl.
Lv.20 S/D/J/Z and Resta by only a minor difference in ATA towards the RAmar is a good deal.

[burning_card]

My wife has a RAmarl, she's pretty cool but her power is a little weak right now (lv 5S&D, i cant wait till she gets lvl 20s)

My friend was pretty much telling me the same things that Jaspaller was saying. The resta and S&D pretty much make the RAmar better then the RAcast for offline (which is all i've got) though i don't need too much S&D in a team since my wife's RAmarl is who i team with a lot as a ranger, for the backup.

Would you guys suggest putting MST on a mag for a RAmar? My friend tells me that it would be best to keep something like 60 ATa and 135 ATP on a mag, and leave his mind blank for just his base, or use units to cover th mind area so he's not too weak. I figure it sounds proper since he's not too great with techs anyway and i wouldnt want to be forcing him, so units covering mind would work betteR (god mind or something)

[Banish]

Yeah, you should put about 20-35 MST for a RAmarl's MAg, but I would suggest a RAcast.

[burning_card]

A RAmarl aybe, but a RAmar? It seems wasted.

Any reason to choose the cast? I personally have the cast and i like him, but the amount of time you have to spend with a character, i want the right choice. I have deleted a few characters at about lvl 60 because they just weren't doing the way i wanted them too, and i want to avoid that this time around.

[Banish]

Cast's have are good in terms of Power, and Def, and HP.

They can use 3 types of Traps, which are handy in difficult situations.

I'm not so sure about this one, but they can use more materials than other, except the FOmar/FOnewen.

Overall, they have a good fighting potential and some good Stats, fairly.

[KojiroAK]

The only thing a RAmar would have a benefit from higher MST is Resta.
But this point is to minor to sacrifice for that additional Damage, Accuracy by the Mag.

and at Units there are much better things.
(*/Battle, Cure/Shock or Freeze)

Around Lv.90 the RAmar has also enough TP to use Shifta/Deband Resta alot without restoring (with Lv.15 techs.)
(Lv.92 RAmar, VH Mines and i use in the worst case one Difluid, the Healing Rings are mostly enough.)
O.k. when it comes to split up slime the TP usage raises, but therefore there are fluids.

So Slots and Mag shouldn't be bothered with Mind raising stuff.

On 2007-01-22 14:27, Banish wrote:
I'm not so sure about this one, but they can use more materials than other, except the FOmar/FOnewen.


HUman can use more materials then Casts/Newman
Actually including TP-Material Newman can use more materials then Casts.
Without TP-mats they are equal.

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[burning_card]

Yeah i figured so. I mean using some attack techs would be nic,e but even my HUney has trouble dealing any real damage without casting over and over again in ults. I wouln't see a point in having mind on a RAmar (or even a HUmar) because the tech damage is useless. The power that the mag and units can give you evens it out.

"I'm not so sure about this one, but they can use more materials than other, except the FOmar/FOnewen. "

Actually casts have the lower material useage. They only get 150 overall mats, same with all newmans. Human types (HUmar,FOmar,RAmarl,RAmar, and FOmarl) get 250 overall mats. (Not including HP or TP) so RAmar get better mat useage.


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Also, can RAmar use the same or near the level of weapons as a RAcast?




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[Banish]

On 2007-01-22 14:35, burning_card wrote:

Also, can RAmar use the same or near the level of weapons as a RAcast?




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You mean ATA, right?

If so, yes, they can use weapons that require higher ATA more sooner than a RAcast, but focus on DEX for a RAcast MAG, and you'll be fine.

RAmar's have the best ATA out of all the Rangers.

[burning_card]

No what i mean is can a RAmar use the same level of equipment. RAcasts have a pretty wide variety of weapons from hunter class to using all ranger weapons, other then human or female (like the angel harp and stuff) just not sure how the RAmar stands up.

[KojiroAK]

On 2007-01-22 14:35, burning_card wrote:
Also, can RAmar use the same or near the level of weapons as a RAcast?


There are only a few weapons that only are usable at casts.

But on the most Ranger versed weapons, the RAmar can use the weapons earlier then RAcast due of his better ATA.

While the RAcast can use some Hunter versed weapons earlier due to his better ATP.
(But Ranger doesn't have really the need of Hunter weapons)

[burning_card]

Well it's still fun to play around with the stag cutlery or something, as a ranger.
Are the cast only weapons worth a cast? Or are they just for show?

[Banish]

Yes, the Casts can use the huge bazookas (ie: Panzer Fuast).

The only Hunter-type weapon a RAnger would need, if they were seeking for power, would be a Delsaber's Buster+9 with the Shield of Delsaber.

[KojiroAK]

On 2007-01-22 14:48, burning_card wrote:
Well it's still fun to play around with the stag cutlery or something, as a ranger.
Are the cast only weapons worth a cast? Or are they just for show?



No to build a cast only for those weapons isn't worth it.

Panzer Faust for example is only a better Inferno Bazooka.
(3 hit per combo)

And since your offline only you wouldn't be able to upgrade it to Iron Faust.
(hit's multiple targets but can't combo)

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[burning_card]

Well i know some of the bazooka weapons are online (or there is an item online only to make the weapon) but i think it's one of the faust weapons. If it's just one of the weapons i wouldn't worry about it i guess. I would use a RAcast online for sure, but offline i think a RAmar would be best. (From the sounds of it)

But i still gotta say my favorite character so far is my HUney.

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Ahh, now i remember what weapon the faust it. I think i would pass on it. I was trying to make a nice ranger, but i'm really not big on casts...never have been.

thanks for the info psople.



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[Bezmor]

Me being the RAmer user i am will tell you they are better for anything. But in truth it depends on what you want and where your going.
RAcast are good for power and are awsome with spread needle. becauase of the bonus on sieze it always works in one combo (for me). But for other things RAmar is better because of the techs and accuracy, specialy in towers. And traps arent needed with a spread needle and frozen shooter so its some what wasted besides ATP.

[BlueKnight]

That is a hard one.

I like the RAmar with the shifta and deband. It helps with the quests.
But the RAcast is a beast in battle. It all depends on what you like to do. I have both RAmar lv 196 an he is very strong I have a lv 200 RAcast he is verey stron with his hp at 2376. so depens on what you want to do.

[Saligun]

RAmar's and RAcast both SUCK...Just use a RACASEAL instead.

[Drakorn]

RAcast has more ATP then RAmar so therefore RAcast's

[Saffran]

Ramar has Resta, better demon in Ult and a bit more ATA. If you intend to solo towers, I can see a Ramar doing better than a Racast. That's about it though.

[Banish]

On 2007-01-28 14:56, Saligun wrote:
RAmar's and RAcast both SUCK...Just use a RACASEAL instead.



Not really.

The RAmar lacks power, but has the highest accuary, and with a Hell Laser/Charge Mechguns in hand, he's unstoppablr.

The RAcast has moderate ATA, but is the strongest. Their traps make up for their techs, and they can come in handy.

RAcaseal, they're a tad bit weak, but can be enjoyable, but inlike the Ramar, they have better Shifta/Deband.

[burning_card]

ended up making a RAmarl, i think her mind stat would be more useful then the two male characters stat features.

[KojiroAK]

On 2007-01-29 20:59, burning_card wrote:
ended up making a RAmarl, i think her mind stat would be more useful then the two male characters stat features.



The only place where MST really is useful on Ranger/Hunter is Resta.
But even with RAmarls natural MST their Resta is strong enough.
S/D/J/Z aren't affected by MST.

Better give her some more ATP which can be raised by Shifta.

let us say you give MST 30 Lvl.
That would mean you take ATP 60 Points away.
But if you now take Shifta in care, it's already 80 ATP.
Are you willing to sacrifice 80 ATP to get slightly more HP by Resta?

So if you go for a character that uses physical damage, stay away from MST, you just weaken em.

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[BlueKnight]

My RAcast is the best legit batter on PSO Xbox verson. So I don't think RAcast sux. I like the RAmar thay are very good in quests with the Shift and Deband. I have no problem goning on ultmet with them both. Yes I have a RAcaseal yes it hase very hi DF but thay are week in the power.
I would say the Ramar and RAcast are both good.
The lv for all of them are.
RAmar lv 196
RAcast lv 200
RAcaseal lv 187

[Kevino]

Racast has greater ATA

[KojiroAK]

On 2007-01-30 10:45, Kevino wrote:
Racast has greater ATA



Then Hunters?
Yes!

Then other Ranger?
No!

But if you meant greater ATP then Yes, RAcast has the highest ATP belong the Ranger.

[BlueKnight]

The RAcast has the 3rd hiest ATP out of all the Ranger/ hunters/ and forses.
So yes RAcast is verey strong.
About the ATA the RAmar has the Hiest ATA out of them all.

[burning_card]

On 2007-01-29 23:28, KojiroAK wrote:
On 2007-01-29 20:59, burning_card wrote:
ended up making a RAmarl, i think her mind stat would be more useful then the two male characters stat features.



The only place where MST really is useful on Ranger/Hunter is Resta.
But even with RAmarls natural MST their Resta is strong enough.
S/D/J/Z aren't affected by MST.

Better give her some more ATP which can be raised by Shifta.

let us say you give MST 30 Lvl.
That would mean you take ATP 60 Points away.
But if you now take Shifta in care, it's already 80 ATP.
Are you willing to sacrifice 80 ATP to get slightly more HP by Resta?

So if you go for a character that uses physical damage, stay away from MST, you just weaken em.

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oh wow, for some weird reason i though that S&D was affected by MST, seemed like it when my FOneweral has a better stat effect then my HUney did, both using lvl 15 S&D (my foney has a higher mind stat and it actually did raise the stat more. HUney gavem y HUcast 1300 atp and the foney gave it 1390 or something like that(

Either way, will the RAmarl get any kind of real power natural, or is it something like you have to really buff her up untill she's worth anything?

[BlueKnight]

Either way, will the RAmarl get any kind of real power natural, or is it something like you have to really buff her up untill she's worth anything?

[/quote]

I would have to say the RAmarl is too week and useles in the RAnger or all the class. I would take a RAcaseal over her any day. Much more powerful and cooler looking.

[burning_card]

it's not the point of a power character in the start. A RAmarl would be a bi better with lvl 20 S&D and the power not being too far behing a RAcaseal or RAmar. She can boost herself up to easily match a RAcaseal in ATP (not sure about DFP) but the point of a RAmarl with my likes is i'm offline and she's a great support character.

[BlueKnight]

The RAmarl may be as strong in ATP. But the RAcaseal has the most DF in the Game. You can try to mach the DF but I dout you can. If you have a same lv RAmarl and RAcaseal and put them in ultement I wout say the RAcaseal will have a better chans to servive than the RAmarl any day. The RAmarl is jest not a powerful as the RAcaseal.
Trust me I played them both. I will still take the RAcaseal over the RAmarl any day.

[burning_card]

I've played both in ults, lvl 150+ (have two lol, my wife has a RAmarl at lvl 167 and my friend has a RAcaseal at lvl 179) the RAmarl has a lot of power, and from what i've seen of the lvl 20 S&D it pushes her ATP past the RAcaseal and her DFP to match hers, a bit higher actually. The RAcaseal survives more when S&D as well though, but just by themselves the RAcaseal isn't too impressive (plus the RAarl's EVP seems to giver her even more of an impact, never see RAcaseals block as often)

But i'm not sure if the stat changes are going to be drastically changed from the last 21 levels for the RAcaseal and the last 33 for the RAmarl. She may just have some serious kick i don't know about in the last few levels, but the RAmarls are a bit better IMO. I'm just not sure if making her mind stat on the mag higher would be a bad choice, but i suppose i'll just stick with the 50 DEX-Mind and 95 pow of my wifes mag, seems to work nicely.