Grinding...seriously.

[Schubalts]

OK, it's all over the board: "blank+10 is better than otherblank+0".

Can we PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop acting like grinding always has a 100% success rate?

It's annoying to see entire arguments based on a single, very low chance.

[Pure-chan]

...I hear a Rifle +10 totally pwns the newman-onry Relic Gun. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif


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[Randomness]

Oh, but when someone has haxeta... it is 100%, lol...

[Yuicihi]

Heh, I sometimes fail on the 'guarenteed' grindings.

[Midicronica]

On 2007-02-18 13:32, Yuicihi wrote:
Heh, I sometimes fail on the 'guarenteed' grindings.



Happend to me once.

[Sekani]

On 2007-02-18 12:58, Schubalts wrote:
OK, it's all over the board: "blank+10 is better than otherblank+0".

Can we PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop acting like grinding always has a 100% success rate?

It's annoying to see entire arguments based on a single, very low chance.


"Theorycraft" arguments are always based on the optimal theoretical setup, not the best setup that's realistically obtainable by the average player. You kinda have to sort that detail out on your own.

[Jasam]

Its also a pritty sugnificant arguement when comparing weapons that can be grinded to those that can't...
Lower * weapons are cheaper to refill as well... so people are always going to look into comparing them

[Retehi]

Grinding rocks! I broke 31 Alterics, 18 Maggacs, 3 Riflics, and 9 Arb Hadocs! Theres nothing like it! And out of all of it I had Arb Hadoc +5's survive!

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[PJ]

I've grinded some C-Rank Spear twice, cause I had 2 grinders and thought, "Might aswell."

I don't grind things much. I'm not at optimal performance. My newman is a Ranger and not a Force http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Kimil]

Well... I've only ever broken... one 4* Twin Dagger and a 6* Spear. Everything else is now... +7-+10

I like grinding (store bought weps only), like I took the tenora 6* wand, and wanted to see how high it could get without braking.... al the way to 10 the first time girnd this wep type, (highest grinder used was a b+8)

[-Rune-]

Yea highest thing I have are +6 Arb Hadocs, and I'm afraid to try anything higher :/

[ljkkjlcm9]

my opinion is that grinding hunter weapons doesn't end up being worthwhile, as the element percent is far more significant, while grinding ranger/force weapons is well worth it. I mean as soon as A grinders are released, I'm going to grind my 9* twin handguns for my Fighgunner, until I get a pair of +10, because that's the best ranged weapon I'll ever be able to get. Plus if 9* ends up being in NPC store.... no good reason not to attempt making them.

THE JACKEL

[RadiantLegend]

First you risk synthing the weapon then you take another risk trying to make it better.

-__-' and knowing my luck....

[Feelmirath]

Lately I've broke about 30 Starras strying to get one at +10 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Went home with a +8 in the end >_>

[Carbinne]

Some weapons make more sense to grind than others -- Rifles grind like crazy and Spears get quite a decent bonus too. And of course Tenoras grind like crap, can't really polish a turd can you http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Pivotal]

On 2007-02-18 16:44, Carbinne wrote:
And of course Tenoras grind like crap, can't really polish a turd can you http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



what, tenora 6 star beat every other 6 star.

[Syl]

On 2007-02-18 17:33, Pivotal wrote:

On 2007-02-18 16:44, Carbinne wrote:
And of course Tenoras grind like crap, can't really polish a turd can you http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



what, tenora 6 star beat every other 6 star.



Not always... PP sucks and sometimes it's not the best choice...

As far as grinding, best thing I've ground is an Alteric +9, and 3 Croziers +7... and a couple of other things

[ljkkjlcm9]

I've had plenty of 10 grinds, and I've kept two of em, Aldaga Sabba twin daggers 6* tenora, and Seva Falsen saber 6* tenora. Both these are better ATP wise than the 9*. And the Seva Falsen has like, 75 more ATP and only about 20 less ATA or something. Best current 10 grind I've seen for a hunter

THE JACKEL

[Laranas]

You gotta note that on the grind from 9 to 10, using a Grinder+9 instead of a Grinder+10 is a nice 10% drop in success. So unless you're bringing the best to the table, you're probably going to fail. Wait until you have 3 luck as well... with both of those conditions satisfied I almost always get 1 or 2 +10s out of a group of 5 weapons.

And don't grind anything that's "twin". Twin Daggers get like 1 or 2 ATP a grind and it's not worth the risk

[BLACKR0SE]

+10 Falgohg (Yohemi 6* Rifle) Tottaly pwns a Phantom. :|

[Weakness]

On 2007-02-18 20:05, BLACKR0SE wrote:
+10 Falgohg (Yohemi 6* Rifle) Tottaly pwns a Phantom. :|



;;>.> Until you get a Phantom Line. Then in terms of ATP and ATA the Phantom wins from the 25% ATP bonus, and just natural ATA from being a higher star rank.

What I am curious is if grinding a Phantom results in an overall increase to the 25% or if the 25% is static due based upon the initial ATP.

[Itchee]

"Grind-DING...Grinding...
You know what I keep in my lining...
N*ggas betta stay in line when...
You see a N*igga like me shining...."

[ljkkjlcm9]

I just grinded an alteric to +8, mind you I broke about 6 on the way there, grind one, then the next, etc, til I have one left. Using only +9 and +10 grinders... course it is a 0 luck day

THE JACKEL

[BeatZero]

Yesterday I ground 3 Hajirods, 1 6* yohmei wand, 3 6* yohmei spears, 2 6* yohmei swords, and 1 6* yohmei knuckles. All to +5 with lvl 1 luck, only broke 1 hajirod and 1 spear doing it with +8 grinders.

Time to lvl some PA's on my alts!

[Esufer]

They need to make some obscenely rare Perfect Grind Item.

I'd be happy then. Even if it was a million star or something.

[Samaine]

i like grinding.

[ljkkjlcm9]

On 2007-02-19 14:44, Reigast wrote:
They need to make some obscenely rare Perfect Grind Item.

I'd be happy then. Even if it was a million star or something.

that'd defeat the purpose if it grinded perfectly everytime. Plus, we don't know the success rate on grinding S ranks, because S grinder boards aren't out.

But really, if it could grind perfectly up to 10, no chance of breaking, why not just make that 10 grind the base stat, and make it possible to get higher with the chance of breaking?

THE JACKEL

[Esufer]

Obscenely rare. I'm not talking like easily gettable. No one complained about the Master Ball in Pokémon.

[Tengoku]

I have the worst luck with grinding, even on my super luck days using 9+ grinder boards. Makes me and my wallet cry when having to re-make all those weapons. Now if I get them to +5 I stop, until I get the amount that I want. Then I'll risk grinding the extra weapons. Haven't had one go past +7 yet. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-02-19 15:04, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
But really, if it could grind perfectly up to 10, no chance of breaking, why not just make that 10 grind the base stat, and make it possible to get higher with the chance of breaking?

THE JACKEL



On 2007-02-19 14:44, Reigast wrote:
They need to make some obscenely rare Perfect Grind Item.

I'd be happy then. Even if it was a million star or something.


He's asking for it to be a rare item. Meaning not common. He even used the adjective "obscenely" to accentuate his request of how rare this item should be.

[ljkkjlcm9]

I still think it's a bad argument because again, if it can grind perfectly, just make that the weapons base stats! No one would have the weapon without grinding it to max ASAP anyways.

THE JACKEL

[JAFO22000]

I don't think you understand. He's asking for an item drop, an "obscenely rare" item drop, to be a Perfect Grinder, meaning you can use it on ANY WEAPON you want and it would grind it to 10 (or whatever) without possiblility of breaking. I'm not sure why you keep coming back to "make it the weapons base stats". Again, he is not asking for a WEAPON, but a form of GRINDER BASE.

[Carbinne]

On 2007-02-19 15:11, Reigast wrote:
Obscenely rare. I'm not talking like easily gettable. No one complained about the Master Ball in Pokémon.



Master Balls I have like a whole bunch of those! I replayed the game like a whole bunch of tiems so leik I have lots of mastar ballz lolz!11

Nobody really complained about the Master Ball, probably since the ones who would complain just got an AR and cheated up 99 copies of them. You can't really do that on PSU!

(Well you can actually but ideally you get banned for it)

[Esufer]

On 2007-02-19 15:35, JAFO22000 wrote:
I don't think you understand. He's asking for an item drop, an "obscenely rare" item drop, to be a Perfect Grinder, meaning you can use it on ANY WEAPON you want and it would grind it to 10 (or whatever) without possiblility of breaking. I'm not sure why you keep coming back to "make it the weapons base stats". Again, he is not asking for a WEAPON, but a form of GRINDER BASE.


I didn't mean even take it to 10 straight away.

I meant just like, added 1 without the possibility of breaking.

Because there's nothing worse than getting a Jitseen (9) then having it break on the last one.

[ljkkjlcm9]

ah... gotcha, sorry, didn't get that was what you were saying

well if that existed, you'd see a lot more people running around with +10 weapons, especially on PC/PS2

THE JACKEL



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