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Eleina
Mar 6, 2007, 12:55 PM
Please what is the point of this pa apart from wasting pa frags? does it do something special at level 21 or not?

Weakness
Mar 6, 2007, 12:57 PM
It revives people and gives them a Me/HP Restore effect... it also cures people like resta.

...so not really as far as I can tell.

JaiBlue
Mar 6, 2007, 12:58 PM
Nope, Reviving is pretty much all it does.

JAFO22000
Mar 6, 2007, 01:04 PM
It is good if you don't want to carry moon atomizers with you. It would also be useful if you run missions with people who die every 30 seconds.

Dj_SkyEpic
Mar 6, 2007, 01:04 PM
Let me try to burn something with it...

;_; doesn't work.

... But I heard at lvl 21+, it does full revive, reverser, and full heal, but it's auto regene is slow and low.

A2K
Mar 6, 2007, 01:07 PM
Doing HIVE S without a concern for player deaths.

Which would be most of the time for now.

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JAFO22000
Mar 6, 2007, 01:08 PM
On 2007-03-06 10:07, A2K wrote:
Doing HIVE S without a concern for player deaths.

Which would be most of the time for now.

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IT'S NOT THAT HARD!!!! lol...



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Eleina
Mar 6, 2007, 01:09 PM
But as everyone carrys scape dolls it is basically a very expensive slow casting resta....(good way to waste 75 frags)

JAFO22000
Mar 6, 2007, 01:14 PM
I'd get it if I weren't capped on photon arts but I am, so I won't.

Spellbinder
Mar 6, 2007, 01:26 PM
If they impliment regular missions such as the ones in the JP event going on right now, then I'd say Giresta would finally have use. At the moment, deaths have no penalty since all we're trying to do is beat the clock as we fight our way through. So people usually just put their scapedolls in storage and go at it. Then when people die, they either use moons or I swing by and use Giresta on them. A bit expensive, but at least it feels useful http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Kaydin
Mar 6, 2007, 01:36 PM
I'm surprised someone hasn't started singing "What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!" yet. XD

Giresta is very slow to cast. It takes nearly 5 seconds, where Resta is instant. But Giresta also adds hull heal, reverser and regen.
I'd say Resta is good during during battle, where you don't have time to wait for Giresta to cast. Giresta would be better to use after everything is dead, just to heal and cure everyone in one shot.

And to the people who gripe about it not returning your rank: Quit being S-whores. >.>

Eleina
Mar 6, 2007, 01:39 PM
ummm when your a newman FT resta does heal in one shot if u use 9* weps

Krisan
Mar 6, 2007, 01:42 PM
I don't understand the obsession in getting an S-Rank all the time.. This game has to be one of the simplest and most casual games I've ever played in my life, the obsession with getting an S-Rank just.. makes me laugh, because I firmly believe the game was made in the mindset where you're suppose to take things slow and just have fun..

That said, Giresta isn't useless, it just isn't an especially important spell to get.. Not something one would place on the priority list, but definitely a spell worth getting and using eventually.

Sharkyland
Mar 6, 2007, 01:46 PM
Giresta...

lvl1 (1-10): 120pp usage, resta (initial cast), revive, 1% hp restore
lvl2 (11-20): 140pp usage, resta (initial cast), revive, 2.% hp restore
lvl3 (21-30): 160pp usage, resta (initial cast), revive, 3% hp restore

Right now it seems a little glitchy due to the fact that the hp restore seems to be nulled if you have hp/restorate on your character, and the duration seems to be very weak right now, but it's a fast leveling spell since you can use it in a buffing party.

Though... there have been times where giresta and the hp restorate acted as two different items. I can see (having 743hp on my lvl40 (4) beast fortetecher), i saw 21 then 7 then 21 then 7 as my hp regened. On other cases it sometimes doesn't seem to work that way, so I'm still curious.

I got my giresta from lvl2 to lvl21 in probably 1:45 (in a buffing party of 6).

Now I curious if Giresta disappears if someone becomes a beast or a cast uses their SUV wpns and will they be able to regen hp thanks to giresta.

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AngelofEnders
Mar 6, 2007, 01:47 PM
The game was made for Sega to make money. The way it's played is simply up to the individual so long as it doesn't infrige on the rights of other players (offensive behavior) or give players unfair advantages (cheats, abusing glitches, etc.)

All in all, I'm very bored.

-Rune-
Mar 6, 2007, 01:51 PM
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IT'S NOT THAT HARD!!!! lol...



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Watch it ~.~ *giggle*

JAFO22000
Mar 6, 2007, 02:26 PM
On 2007-03-06 10:47, AngelofEnders wrote:
The game was made for Sega to make money. The way it's played is simply up to the individual so long as it doesn't infrige on the rights of other players (offensive behavior) or give players unfair advantages (cheats, abusing glitches, etc.)

All in all, I'm very bored.



What game is not made for the developer to make money? Except indie games, I know of no other game that was made with the intent to lose money (no Shenmue jokes!).

And even indie games will turn into a money maker if it becomes popular...some larger company will buy the rights and market it themselves.

Rashiid
Mar 6, 2007, 02:30 PM
It doesnt override the Me / HP Restore. i had the + 18 (i have about 1800 hp) and still a + 35 (from Giresta)

its mainly useful for missions that you want to do for the challange and not waste scapes, just to do the mission for fun/drops.

thats how i like missions (i could care less if we get a C) so id like it.

JAFO22000
Mar 6, 2007, 02:38 PM
But...but....I can carry 10 Moons and 10 Moon At X's. That's 20 revivals. Multiply that by 6 people max in a party all carrying the same amount, and that's a possible 120 revivals.

You die more than that in a level, and it's time to rethink your strategy!

Rashiid
Mar 6, 2007, 02:39 PM
en dat cizzase byeee mii tin ov eahc ov doe's.

Niered
Mar 6, 2007, 03:22 PM
What wouldve been cool is if Giresta cost something like 300 PA frags, and when you got it to lvl 21 and above it worked like a scape doll. 300 PA frags is enough to keep everyone from having it, and the scape effect would make it much more desirable.

omegapirate2k
Mar 6, 2007, 03:26 PM
On 2007-03-06 12:22, Niered wrote:
What wouldve been cool is if Giresta cost something like 300 PA frags, and when you got it to lvl 21 and above it worked like a scape doll. 300 PA frags is enough to keep everyone from having it, and the scape effect would make it much more desirable.



One cannot carry 300 PA frags at once, can they?

Sychosis
Mar 6, 2007, 03:28 PM
You can if you have a magic yak stomach.

I still maintain that adding half the lost score at 21+ would make it very worthwhile.

omegapirate2k
Mar 6, 2007, 03:32 PM
On 2007-03-06 12:28, Sychosis wrote:
You can if you have a magic yak stomach.

I still maintain that adding half the lost score at 21+ would make it very worthwhile.



For anyone with the 10 lifetimes of spamming it requires to level up.

Sychosis
Mar 6, 2007, 03:33 PM
Everyone I know that has it says it levels very quickly.

omegapirate2k
Mar 6, 2007, 03:34 PM
On 2007-03-06 12:33, Sychosis wrote:
Everyone I know that has it says it levels very quickly.



That's odd, everyone I know that has it says it takes forever to level.

How odd...

JAFO22000
Mar 6, 2007, 03:35 PM
It does level quickly...when you're in a buff party with 5 other people!

Seriously, it cracks me up to see forces with all buffs at level 21, but their debuffs are at 3.

Sychosis
Mar 6, 2007, 03:36 PM
Might be a combination of the two. The % increase per cast might be high, but the 5 second cast rate seems to drag it out.

Sychosis
Mar 6, 2007, 03:37 PM
On 2007-03-06 12:35, JAFO22000 wrote:
It does level quickly...when you're in a buff party with 5 other people!

Seriously, it cracks me up to see forces with all buffs at level 21, but their debuffs are at 3.



Hooray for 21s across the board http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

omegapirate2k
Mar 6, 2007, 03:38 PM
Eww... buff parties.

Sharkyland
Mar 6, 2007, 04:01 PM
okay, i'm lost... I have 744 hp... I got it to 21, it's healing me for +21... I got it to 22, it's healing me for +28?!

Something's weird here.

Also my hp/restorate is being different as well, keep seeing that +7 after +28...

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Tra
Mar 6, 2007, 08:02 PM
Giresta is great, at lv30 it heals, heals the ressurected to full hp, and reversers, plus the slow regen. All in one package for only 160pp http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

1 second cast for me btw, har/quick heh heh

Eleina
Mar 6, 2007, 08:17 PM
But still as everyone holds scapes the resurection is BS the slow hp regen aint exactly good as there is always some fo like me using resta somewhere. And the heal plus reverser done separatly is only 50 odd pp why pay 160?

Lman90245
Mar 6, 2007, 08:21 PM
Well if you've fought DF in S rank... you may know what Giresta would be good for http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

The parties i've been in have mostly wasted scape dolls on the mission itself, and by the time they get to DF they have no idea what to expect... "OMG he tosses planets at people!"


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Tra
Mar 6, 2007, 08:23 PM
On 2007-03-06 17:17, Eleina wrote:
But still as everyone holds scapes the resurection is BS the slow hp regen aint exactly good as there is always some fo like me using resta somewhere. And the heal plus reverser done separatly is only 50 odd pp why pay 160?




It's so unfortunate that you live in the world of a pc/ps2 server XD I tell my party to drop their scape dolls whenever I start a Dulk Falkis party. Simple. Although we don't die much anyway, it's useful.

Eleina
Mar 6, 2007, 08:24 PM
I have but i get by fine with reverser + resta!!

Tra
Mar 6, 2007, 08:26 PM
don't worry about it, you don't need to worry since you are being baby'd by scape dolls, just forget about giresta and don't use it Eleina http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Eleina
Mar 6, 2007, 08:29 PM
alas we live in a world where ppl only care about mp (played with a noob caracter and got kicked four times for not having scapes)...one question cherry does it conserve the rank or not(a friend keeps on asking me!!)

Tra
Mar 6, 2007, 08:31 PM
no it doesn't, you lose rank when somebody dies

Lman90245
Mar 6, 2007, 08:32 PM
On 2007-03-06 17:29, Eleina wrote:
alas we live in a world where ppl only care about mp (played with a noob caracter and got kicked four times for not having scapes)...one question cherry does it conserve the rank or not(a friend keeps on asking me!!)



You also have to keep in mind that some people don't do the higher missions for ranks alone, sometimes they just do them for the drops.

Eleina
Mar 6, 2007, 08:42 PM
Ok thanks guys now giresta actually makes some sense to me ^.^....all i have to do now is find ppl who dont care about S rank :/ (which is easier said than done!) now i'll probably get giresta next!!

Scion
Mar 6, 2007, 09:13 PM
On 2007-03-06 17:42, Eleina wrote:
Ok thanks guys now giresta actually makes some sense to me ^.^....all i have to do now is find ppl who dont care about S rank :/ (which is easier said than done!) now i'll probably get giresta next!!




Yes, get it...You won't regret it. I certainly wouldn't use it to replace your resta on two factors, though: 1) It's expensive to cast it and 2) it's slow to cast as well.

Just use it in the situations where you think the regen might help *cough*Dulk Fakis throwing a planet at you*cough*. It won't do the major healing for you, but it will buy you some time if you think you need it to either heal someone else or yourself.

As for the reviving aspect, I barely use it. BUT, within the first few hours of getting it, I had to...and my party thanked me for learning it. It was freakin' sweet.

I personally love it, because with this, I've turned into a powerful healer. And you can't really go wrong with that. xD

Chaobo99
Mar 6, 2007, 09:41 PM
well whenever new missions come out like for example SS ranks..,"Lets go do SS linear line for the first time!! Drop your scapes and carry lots of dools and moons!"
"Oh no! We have no more moons! srry you have to walk back"
and if your lucky.."I used giresta like 100 times in there!! Pay for my charges!"

February
Mar 6, 2007, 09:42 PM
On 2007-03-06 10:04, Dj_SkyEpic wrote:
Let me try to burn something with it...

;_; doesn't work.

... But I heard at lvl 21+, it does full revive, reverser, and full heal, but it's auto regene is slow and low.



I was wondering if it did that. I only want to bother with it if it does cast reverser as well.

Scion
Mar 6, 2007, 09:47 PM
Nope, unfortunately, it cannot fill the role of reverser (that would've been nice though).