Is GC PSO doomed?

[Munki]

Ooooo Boy.

I just read on Gamespot that the team that developed the Gameshark will no longer be working with Interact. Instead, they are release their 'game destroying devices' under the Action Replay label. And the GC one is now slated for release in mid to late december.

Ooooo Boy. So, does this signal the end of enjoyable PSO? Am I going to be the proud owner of a high level NOL? Good lord. I kept hoping that this day wouldn't happen. I heard that it may have to plug into the spot where the modem goes, thus people won't be able to go online w/ it. But couldn't it theoriticaly have some sort of pass thru? and even if it can't people could create dupes / items that screw other people over offline, and then hook up the modem and go online.

Anyway, just wanted to give the heads up to you all.

[FluxGryphon]

*groans* I heard that there'd be a Gameshark for the GC eventually, but even if it isn't a GS it's still a cheating device.

Thanks for the heads up Munki. Here's hoping there isn't a way to by-pass the hook-up so people can't screw you over online.

[Castoth]

NOLing is impossible to do now by any means. Even Baru confirmed that if you are doubtful so don't feel too worried about that. Just that FSOD/RSOD are the main culprits to worry about now.

[Blur2168]

wuts RSOD?

[Saladwood]

yes indeed, the end is near

a link to the article!

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2901061,00.html

[00JOE]

Resetting Screen of Death. Probably the worst SOD..

[FluxGryphon]

Check VulpesMundi's post (it's really long, on the first page). It explains the Death Screen terms and other nasties.

[BurnPilot]

I have never used any of these devices before (no game genie, game shark, anything) but would it be too much to hope that it would somehow "not work" with online games?

I got burned out on PC games like Counter-strike and Diablo because of all the loser hackers and had hoped that I would be saved from most of it on the Gamecube since it seemed safe. It ticks me off that companies would support this crap.

[MuRaKi]

Ya this will suck theres always bypasses to get stuff. Hope Sega keeps up to date and makes paches or something to stop A-Holes from cheating and ruining the game for all the players that play by the rules. I just have a bad fealing bout this.

[Daminite]

the only cheating device that ever really worked on pso was the code breaker. the gameshark is too limited and was too easylly detected to use online.

get all the info before you judge.(and dont flame me or any thing just because i dont think the gameshark is the bane of humanity like you seem to).

[Elusive_Llama]

I bought the GC version SPECIFICALLY because I thought gamesharking wouldn't be possible because of the media used by the machine (mini-DVDs). Now it looks like I might have to start playing exclusively in password protected games with people that I trust.

I can see it now...

[h4x]SPECIAL WEAPON

"Do you need a tekker? Trust me, it's okay!"

Dum dum dum DUM dum DUMDUMDUMDUUUUMMMM

[h4x]ACTION REPLAY GC
"This cheat device is said to completely ruin PSO for the Gamecube. Its special attack casts RaNOL either on or off Pioneer 2."

[Wewt]

Whatever.

I won't believe any news about imminent release dates for GameShark, or any other cheat devices on the GameCube until it's actually purchasable.

I still firmly believe that no cheat devices, or boot discs will be released on the GameCube. Simple because of Nintendo's stance on cheating. They don't like it. Therefore they will not allow Interact/Datel the rights to their discs.

[Elusive_Llama]

But what if the cheat device plugs into the modem/bba port on the GC?

[Tavia]

On 2002-12-06 08:46, Elusive_Llama wrote:
But what if the cheat device plugs into the modem/bba port on the GC?

I was wondering about similar things. Just as the original PlayStations had an I/O port in the back, which was used for various cheat and MOD devices, so does the GameCube have an I/O port. Heck, even the GameCube's controller ports have advanced input and output capabilities.

Even if they do not make the GameShark on a disc, there is a chance it will circumvent the system's startup by other means. That's probably why they have not cancelled the idea of creating an Action Replay yet. They're experimenting, no doubt.

[EsperFlame]

I think all this hype about a GC gameshark-like device is all smoke and mirrors. Seriously, it's all talk and no show. The day I see a Code Breaker/Game Shark on sale at my local Babbages is the day I believe that they're being made. Until then I think we should all take a breath to calm ourselves and thank Nintendo/Datel for not sharing the rights to the Mini-DVD technology. After all, it's copyrighted and if any attempts to make one with their consent, they will recieve a nasty lawsuit slapped upside their head.

[Sapphire87]

Despite Nintendo's stance on cheating, it didn't stop the Game Genie on the NES and the Game Shark on the SNES and N64. If you look in the November issue of GamePro, there's an ad for the Code Breaker which has in small print "Coming soon for XBox and Gamecube".

[IceBurner]

On 2002-12-06 18:47, EsperFlame wrote:
Until then I think we should all take a breath to calm ourselves and thank Nintendo/Datel for not sharing the rights to the Mini-DVD technology.

Datel is the company behind GameShark and the new cheating device. Isn't it Phillips or Panasonic who developed the mini-DVD media for Nintendo? I think you mean to thank them. ^_^



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[RuneWalsh]

Esper is 100% on target. nintendo will not allow a company reverse engineer the mini disc technology. If you look in the pso manual you will see something there about this. this is the reason why the gcpso has a shot at being CHEAT free.people can take the xbox version and just rip it apart without any fear if the company that is making a cheat device for GC they WILL be hit with a lawsuit. i think its not worth it for a small company to mess around with this. (guys chill everything will be ok, this is nintendo NOT sega http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Tavia]

Small companies are not as easily frightened as you think. Hong Kong manufacturers of knock-off products are especially not quick to put off. If someone creates a hardware cheat device, you can bet that it will be copied and churned out to countless knock-off artists' content. We'll just have to see how it goes.

[hollowtip]

On 2002-12-07 13:32, Tavia wrote:
Small companies are not as easily frightened as you think. Hong Kong manufacturers of knock-off products are especially not quick to put off. If someone creates a hardware cheat device, you can bet that it will be copied and churned out to countless knock-off artists' content. We'll just have to see how it goes.



Exactly, and all it takes is for someone to release a device that can read your 251 card with software you can use on your computer to hack and edit saved games. Legality issues don't always matter, when there's people always home brewing. Someone will make a key to open the door to mainstream users, it's just a matter of when.

[Tavia]

On 2002-12-07 19:06, hollowtip wrote:
Exactly, and all it takes is for someone to release a device that can read your 251 card with software you can use on your computer to hack and edit saved games. Legality issues don't always matter, when there's people always home brewing. Someone will make a key to open the door to mainstream users, it's just a matter of when.

That's definitely the truth. I entirely forgot about the potential for someone to create a GC memory card reader/modifier, but that is also a large possibility.

You can say that Nintendo will not "allow" people to do this, but Nintendo doesn't have eyes everywhere. Someone can reverse engineer the system's components or do whatever it takes to create a device that can compromise it and its games somehow.

Furthermore, in the past, matters such as these have been brought to court. Take, for example, the "Connectix GameStation." For those of you who are unfamiliar with it, it was a commercially released PlayStation emulator which was made by purely reverse engineering the system itself. ("bleem!", its admirable competitor, was programmed from the ground up, in contrast.) Naturally, something that emulates a company's system -- which another corporation is making a profit off of at that -- will enrage them even more than a cheat device.

Well, the matter was brought to court, but Sony lost the suit. The court ruled that, because someone had bought a PlayStation, they had every right to reverse engineer it. Was the CGS stopped? Temporarily, yes, but it eventually resurfaced on store shelves, till it was finally discontinued.

Just because Nintendo is Nintendo doesn't make them all-powerful, nor does it make them immune. A court is not going to favor them over someone else, because their job is to inspect, debate, and mediate. Plus, until a court ruling is reached, a company who releases a cheat device can continue manufacturing and selling it.

So, no matter what Nintendo has said, someone probably will have the balls to release a cheat device. It wouldn't be the first time such a dare was made.

[Vic_Viper]

It might scare you guys a bit but this is true.
I don't know if this apply to the Game Cube but it does for the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast IS capable of booting ROM code from the expansion port (modem slot)

If the Dreamcast can do that, there's a good chance GC can do that as well. However Nintendo is very careful when the subject is security, so it's possible that the GC expansion ports doesn't serves for that purpose.

If so the only way to boot a cheat device is the mini discs.