Speed S2 Sea Lab Run

[DangerousDave]

Players:Dave(FG),Disco(FG),Wej1rebmun(FG),Andy(FF) ,BurtFace(FT),Tully(FT).
Time:9mins
Mission:Sea Lab S2
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8661/03110704281dn8.th.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=03110704281dn8.jpg)

[Zorafim]

Did I mention that I got force to lv10 in one night with this mission? My highest tech was lv4 by the end.

[Weakness]

Congratulations?

[Umberger]

Cool, congratulations.

[FOnewearl-Lina]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/psu20070225_201545_024.jpg
Okay now beat 6 mins, or no cookie http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Eliash]

6 minute Lab S2 runs...wow I could imagine how much money you could make an hour... roughly 150k? (Recharging and getting right map cuts into that time.)

[FOnewearl-Lina]

Roughly that, but since the new NetCash SEED missions came out, people have been grinding those instead of Labs S2, the reward there is like ~28k for 9 mins (not counting the masses of resins that almost always drop from the SEED cores).

[omegapirate2k]

5 fortegunners (all equipped with burn trap G's) and a fortetecher could put that mission in it's place rather quickly I'd imagine.

[Magician]

Just...wow.

What are fortefighters good for again?

[Akaimizu]

That's crazy. Congratulations!! You've Mastered Sea Lab!!! Captain Howling Mad Murphy would be proud!!! You've earned a refreshing drink of "Be Bop Cola".....yeah!!

Gee. I'd love to see the day when I can be a part of a party that can rip through Sea Lab S2, in similar time.

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[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-03-12 06:13, Magician wrote:
Just...wow.

What are fortefighters good for again?



Not fighting Jarbas, thats for sure.

[Mio]

ForteGunners for the way! Who thinks rangers are underpowered clearly never played one

[Magician]

On 2007-03-12 07:44, omegapirate2k wrote:

On 2007-03-12 06:13, Magician wrote:
Just...wow.

What are fortefighters good for again?



Not fighting Jarbas, thats for sure.



Or Tengohgs either...

...yeesh, fortefighter = suxorz

[JAFO22000]

It doesn't say whether they S ranked the mission or not....you can skip a LOT of rooms on this mission to get a better time. They may have finished it in 9 minutes, but I seriously doubt they fully completed the mission.

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-03-12 07:48, Magician wrote:

On 2007-03-12 07:44, omegapirate2k wrote:

On 2007-03-12 06:13, Magician wrote:
Just...wow.

What are fortefighters good for again?



Not fighting Jarbas, thats for sure.



Or Tengohgs either...

...yeesh, fortefighter = suxorz



Fortefighters are a great asset, just not against certain enemies.

[Mio]

On 2007-03-12 07:48, JAFO22000 wrote:
It doesn't say whether they S ranked the mission or not....you can skip a LOT of rooms on this mission to get a better time. They may have finished it in 9 minutes, but I seriously doubt they fully completed the mission.



Wrong, me and few friends along random people got 9 minutes pretty each run without having that goal mind. It's not that hard, at last if you use the right weapons, PAs and mines.

If you keep "leveling" PAs during a mission you will never get good results, that's why I use lvl30 bullets even if I have more to level.

[fgfdsas]

People can do it in 3mins, get something that makes you walk through doors or something.

[JAFO22000]

Yes, but did you factor in the time it takes to get a map with no Mizuras?

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-03-12 07:52, JAFO22000 wrote:
Yes, but did you factor in the time it takes to get a map with no Mizuras?



Now that's totally random, one time my party managed to get a mission without mizuras 3 times in a row, then it took us over 10 min to get a map without them http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[JAFO22000]

Here's an idea....fight the Mizuras!! *gasp!*

[Captain_N]

Nice time!

And here I thought my teams 17 minute run was nice @@;

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-03-12 08:00, JAFO22000 wrote:
Here's an idea....fight the Mizuras!! *gasp!*



We did, it took twice as long >_>

[B0Bomb]

ForteFighter = Decoy
ForteGunner = Takes advantage of Decoy
ForteTecher = Decoy Babysitter

[Akaimizu]

I see. With that strategy, that actually means the Gunners must've stocked up almost solely on Rifles and big one-shot weapons. A concentrated fire pattern. This allows the Fighter to be the one that lands more single hits to attract the monsters. Not to mention, even without, the gunners can fire from different positions effectively confusing the monster on which player to attack next.

Weapons with faster shot rates tend to draw hate, so I figure those would be left out.

Hmm. I would guess with my position, I'd either stock up on rifles to join the rifle team, or I'd be a decoy and keep the Twin Gunnies, since they are awesome long range hate makers. The bad thing is, I'd probably need to be close to Level 80 to have the Hitpoints required to survive a good hit.

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[-Rune-]

On 2007-03-12 08:18, Akaimizu wrote:
Weapons with faster shot rates tend to draw hate, so I figure those would be left out.


Ugh I forgot all about hate xD
Now I'm gonna be thinking about FFXI all day >.<

[Akaimizu]

Yep. But it's in here too. However, it's a rather simple equation. Hate in PSU is all about rate of attack or rate of fire. It has nothing to do with damage, or elemental hate rates, etc. Just rate of fire. Even if you have a very weak pair of twins, hitting a monster across the room for 40HP a shot; the monster could care less if a ForteFighter is hitting him with a few weapon swings for 1000. Monster simply counts how fast something hits it, and it will want that Guardian dead.

[Tiyr]

On 2007-03-12 08:43, Akaimizu wrote:
Yep. But it's in here too. However, it's a rather simple equation. Hate in PSU is all about rate of attack or rate of fire. It has nothing to do with damage, or elemental hate rates, etc. Just rate of fire. Even if you have a very weak pair of twins, hitting a monster across the room for 40HP a shot; the monster could care less if a ForteFighter is hitting him with a few weapon swings for 1000. Monster simply counts how fast something hits it, and it will want that Guardian dead.



It's not about rate of fire. At. All.

The only thing that matters is who hit it LAST. In that case, rate of fire's handy, but as long as you hit something AFTER someone else, it'll come after you. It's pretty easy to manipulate them that way.

[Akaimizu]

On 2007-03-12 08:45, Tiyr wrote:

It's not about rate of fire. At. All.

The only thing that matters is who hit it LAST. In that case, rate of fire's handy, but as long as you hit something AFTER someone else, it'll come after you. It's pretty easy to manipulate them that way.



Really. Hmm. I always thought it was rate of fire since I seem to have no trouble pulling mobs off of everybody. Maybe it's the rate of fire with the Twins that always ensures I'm the last to hit. I should check that out more often, but I'm often so much on the run, or worried about where everybody is, to see if that's true.



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[-Rune-]

Hmm interesting, I'll have to look into this, thanks for the info *poof!* awwr I'm still here... god this ninja training sucks ._.

[Waberashi]

Nice.

Now how long did it take for you to find the shortest possible map combination with no mizuras?

[Shiro_Ryuu]

On 2007-03-12 07:48, Magician wrote:

On 2007-03-12 07:44, omegapirate2k wrote:

On 2007-03-12 06:13, Magician wrote:
Just...wow.

What are fortefighters good for again?



Not fighting Jarbas, thats for sure.



Or Tengohgs either...

...yeesh, fortefighter = suxorz



*goes in a corner and cries*
man, I just wish that Sega can make a mission thats full of nothing but big, multi-targetted enemies like Kog Nadds, Kamatozes, Palavohras, SEED-vances, and Carriguines. Then people would be all like "Hey Fortefighter, plz help us!! Spam PAs on those big mean thingies."

[FOnewearl-Lina]

On 2007-03-12 10:31, Shiroryuu wrote:

On 2007-03-12 07:48, Magician wrote:

On 2007-03-12 07:44, omegapirate2k wrote:

On 2007-03-12 06:13, Magician wrote:
Just...wow.

What are fortefighters good for again?



Not fighting Jarbas, thats for sure.



Or Tengohgs either...

...yeesh, fortefighter = suxorz



*goes in a corner and cries*
man, I just wish that Sega can make a mission thats full of nothing but big, multi-targetted enemies like Kog Nadds, Kamatozes, Palavohras, SEED-vances, and Carriguines. Then people would be all like "Hey Fortefighter, plz help us!! Spam PAs on those big mean thingies."


Except all of those can be furied or pinappled by fGs and, with the exception of Carriguines, virused/burnt to death. No need for a fF http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Proff]

My Fortefighter can solo S2 Lab in about 35 minutes... ;_;

[Pengfishh]

Ooh, explain "pineappled" to me. This word intrigues me.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

Hey, you know what? Lets all just boot out all of the Fortefighters. Yeah, screw melee, only Newman Fortetechers w/ their nukes and CAST Fortegunners with their rifles and shotguns and their traps should be allowed to do Seabed or this game in general! Fortefighters suck and drain PP from Fortetechers when they get hurt cuz the fTs have to cast resta to protect the S rank. So Fortefighter = kick, they have no place in this game cuz they suck and are totally useless, and if anything, are only a hinderance to our team.

[/sarcasm]



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[Vay]

Grenades are sometimes referred to as pineapples, 'cause, well, look at 'em. (In RL, not the glowing exploding nerfballs in game). The art of pineappling something involves launching the explosive, then it detonates, resulting in something being "pineappled". The more you know!

I love FF's, especially Beasts and Casts, they can speed up a run significantly by using a well-placed Power Nano or Grom Buster! (Oh my, Delicious FF Grom Buster...)

[Akaimizu]

I just did some Sea Lab SS runs, and I'll say, they maybe as good as people say they are. I can't even fathom how many times easier it is (without bees, because we never fought them this time around) than Hive S. I mean, these enemies have tech scenarios I can reliably dodge. Not the high speed devastating tech chuckers of Hive S.

Still, we had a couple of Beasts with us, and it was good fun. Maybe had 2 deaths, in our entire group, within a run, worst case.

Techniques were shared with one Fortefighter and myself (Guntecher). Not a speed run, mind you; but a fun way to get to know the level.

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[Vuman]

I'm a level 52 Fortegunner and I'm having a lot of problems with the Mizuras in the S difficulty. Here are my stats and Bullet levels.

http://suprfile.com/src/2/6b9ky5l/stats.jpg (http://suprfile.com/get.php?id=6b9ky5l)

Frozen Shot Lv 15
Grav Shot Lv 12
Twin Freeze Lv 12
Twin Grav Lv 10
Barada Diga Lv 13

I have access to Falgohoh, Ryo-Rayratore, Shigga Stam, Phantom, and Deathmaker. My problem is I can't seem to deal a lot of damage and get behind them. In a small square room with four of them, it took me and a Level 70 Male Newman fortetecher about five minutes to beat all of them. Even though I'm always moving, that move where they charge seems to connect 70% of the time even though I'm not touching them.

With the Fortetecher's Shifta I was dealing about 240 damage with the Deathmaker and Grav Shot when they weren't blocking.

[omegapirate2k]

Omega's tip #1:

Unless your a force, avoid Mizuras.

[Akaimizu]

Yeah. If you pick the non-bee maps, you basically have an easier time in Sea Lab S. That's probably why I had it so easy. We didn't run maps with them.

However, on the easier maps, you'll have a grand ol' time. SE4 owns that map, for rangers. Too bad I'm just a level or two from getting my SE4. However, once I'm there I can say hello to real damage.

[csmicbcklsh]

I know everyone pretty much said this already, but to be honest Vuman, you shouldn't even be facing the Mizuras. Leave them to the techers in your group or in the best scenario don't even start a mission if you know they will be there. Two of the maps in Lab Recovery have a variant that completely avoids them, so find someone to party with that knows what to look for.

[-Crokar-]

i love traps. you all need to love the traps too.

[Vuman]

What about Hunters, do they avoid Mizuras too? I was wondering why the Fortetecher wasn't taking any damage even though he was just casting Diga all the time.

[Tekershee]

On 2007-03-15 12:32, Vuman wrote:
What about Hunters, do they avoid Mizuras too? I was wondering why the Fortetecher wasn't taking any damage even though he was just casting Diga all the time.



What Fortetecher?

[Rashiid]

i think an all bees map w/ 6 fortetechers w/ Lv 4 infection on theyre bows would go pretty smooth, no?

[Jinto117]

I hear in the expansion pack fortefighters get to shoot out kamehameha waves and hadukens. *sarcasm*

[Sharkyland]

I've done it in 12 minutes, but I don't care much about speed. Though traps do make the last room more easier, just have to watch out for that dambarta. Gotta love that lag when someone's getting frozen and you seen no dambarta anywhere. Fortegunners can equip virus traps g's while us figunners have to stick to burn trap g's.... 1231 vs 984 does make a huge difference.

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[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-03-14 12:23, -Crokar- wrote:
i love traps. you all need to love the traps too.



QFT

[Tra]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8661869773096162147&hl=en

FG > Jarbas

[Rashiid]

On 2007-03-15 17:31, Tra wrote:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8661869773096162147&hl=en

FG > Jarbas



at 1st i was like 'ummm why is all that stuff being left behind...' then i rememeber when i saw arrow keys as commands....

but after seeing that i want to save up 2mil for a Har/ Quick....and i never wanna see gidiga again....

Gifoie woulda been better, since u could burn everything w/ ease.

edit: typos http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



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[SolomonGrundy]

[/quote]

Fortefighters are a great asset, just not against certain enemies.

[/quote]

name one enemy that fortefighters truly add to the team in a way that FiGunners don't easily replace?

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-03-15 17:57, SolomonGrundy wrote:
name one enemy that fortefighters truly add to the team in a way that FiGunners don't easily replace?


Fighgunners aren't as powerful as fortefighters, if you need a tank, then fortefighters fare far better than fighgunners.


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[Jinto117]

I'm not going to complain. I'm a human fortefighter and I know my place. I know what I am and am not capable of. It's almost impossible for a game of any genre not to have broken aspects. From Magic the Gathering and Yugioh, all the way to PSU and Halo 2.

[Jarek]

Fastest run I've had thus far is...19 minutes (there were mizura though). http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif But I can't say we were really trying for a crazy time. Mostly I just came by to say..

On 2007-03-15 17:31, Tra wrote:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8661869773096162147&hl=en

More people need to use epIII music in their videos! XD
Tower of caelum(think that's how it's spelled...been too long)ftw

[SolomonGrundy]

*goes in a corner and cries*
man, I just wish that Sega can make a mission thats full of nothing but big, multi-targetted enemies like Kog Nadds, Kamatozes, Palavohras, SEED-vances, and Carriguines. Then people would be all like "Hey Fortefighter, plz help us!! Spam PAs on those big mean thingies."



Tunnel recapture has flavors of this.
Kogs, Bears, Fire breating guys, and lots of them.

[-Ryuki-]

On 2007-03-11 22:19, FOnewearl-Lina wrote:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/FoLina/PSU/psu20070225_201545_024.jpg
Okay now beat 6 mins, or no cookie http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

That pic.. 3 Rangers, 1 FO, and what're the other two? Plausibly, they have Burning Rangers who use traps.

[Mewnie]

person: 8=====D

another person: 8=========D

person: wtf

yet another person: 8=================D

everyone else: wtf




is this about right?



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[Rashiid]

On 2007-03-16 03:24, Mewnie wrote:
person: 8=====D

another person: 8=========D

person: wtf

yet another person: 8=================D

everyone else: wtf




is this about right?


:?

[Garanz-Baranz]

Why are people always complaining about the dang Mizura's? THEIR NOT ENDRUM BUG/BUGGE/BUGGES PEOPLE!

They don't turn around, get at their backs... wack, wack, wack, with no PA use.

Or for the valiant Gunner, remove your ATA reducing PA's and shoot them with Neutral, yet accurate, bullets.

Only the BUG/BUGGE/BUGGES actually move and turn from their original position...

So stop whining, and hit them without PA's in the back as the don't even budge.