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[Fulgore]

So being a Force and all their is a multitude of Juicy PA's to be learned but that darn Limit really screws things up....for Everyone! So does anyone know if eventually later on we get a PA limit increase from 36?

I had to delete a couple I had the other day (thank goodness none of them were higher than lvl 5) obviously started with the ones I hardly used or didn't like but still, it sucked having to delete them. I wanted the new Ultimate Arts and I have to say...I wont be able to get all of them http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif, not even close to all. At this point gonna have to settle on 1 more. Cuz even though I don't use it much all the "Debuffs" if I don't have em I just know someday someone will complain that I'm in the party and cant use em cuz I decided to learn arts I actually cared about.

It's rediculous...why can't things just go right for once in this game http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



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[pikachief]

no i cant even have every bullet in the game but i think u forces can!

[Kimil]

Nope, and this reeeeaaaaly makes a big delema for Wartechers...

[EspioKaos]

There was a developer interview in an issue of Famitsu where this was addressed. It was said that the cap will remain the same since it is essential to making more "unique" characters. (The wording was something like that, at least.) Basically, when players have to make sacrifices of certain PAs, it has the opportunity to add variety to each player. For example, I've already decided that I will sacrifice all of the bullet and skill PAs I currently know once I obtain all of the TECHNICs. Of course, that will be quite some time, so I've got a while to play around with what I've got.

[Kaydin]

36 Photon Art limit. 36 TECHNICS. Bows and Cards are pointless.

[Fulgore]

I guess I should be grateful I can get all bow/card bullets and lvl them to 30 along with technics....it's just gonna be hard to pick which technics I need to give up. Oh well, thanks for the info people.

[Kimil]

I guess that makes sense Espio

... and Kadan, the are usless to Newman FT, but Human, Beast and ( most of all) CAST FT find them useful. Also, They Help GT and WT (beast WT anyways, for damage, not SE)

[PMB960]

On 2007-03-22 20:37, Kadan wrote:
36 Photon Art limit. 36 TECHNICS. Bows and Cards are pointless.



QFT

[imfanboy]

On 2007-03-22 20:37, Kadan wrote:
36 Photon Art limit. 36 TECHNICS. Too bad all the gi techs, all the ra techs, and all the dam techs are basically the same and you only need dambarta, gizonde, and foie. Oh, and the fortetechers who're dumb enough to think that 12% damage REALLY makes a difference should be kicked. So really, you only need resta, reverser, the 3 debuffs, the 4 debuffs, and 3 attack techs - one gi, one dam, and foie or diga, whichever's your choice. That only comes to 12. Which leaves plenty of room for a second class like guntecher or a wartecher.



Changed for truth.



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[FUFME]

I'll accept the 36 Limit, there is a bunch of crap I dont really need and dont need em all.

[A2K]

On 2007-03-22 20:37, Kadan wrote:
36 Photon Art limit. 36 TECHNICS. Bows and Cards are pointless.

Not all TECHNICs are useful to any individual caster; it's based much more on individual play style than anything else. For example, I can't fathom what use a Fortetecher would have for Megistar--assuming it's ever released online.

This is also assuming that they don't add more TECHNICs to Ambition of Illuminus, as well... then what happens?

[Jey]

36 PA limit... 10 guns... 7 PAs each T_T and everything else to boot.

Oh well.

[Kimil]

Just llok thorugh the PAs you have, and decide what you need.

The BREAK DOWN

Essentials

Melee:
Dus Daggas - Pure Damage
Renkai - Radius
Yo yo daggers - Damage, but limited situations
First Dagger - Pure Damage
Second Dagger - Stunning
Falcon Punch - Situational to big groups
First Claw and Gavity Strike - Pure Damage

8 Melee PAs

Bullet:
Ice Bow - flying fire dragons and Jarbas
Light Bow - HIVEs
Thunder Card - Left hand PA until I get my hands on a MAG

3 Bullets Minimum

Tech:
Resta,Reverser - Healing
Jellen,Zalure,Zondeel - De Buff
Shifta, Deband, Megistar - Buffs
Digas - Physical Defence
Diga, Gidiga, Gibarta, and Gizonde. - Attack.

13 techs


OK... these are the PA i want to keep for sure....
24? Wow. I have plenty of Room.

Maybe II'll add...
-The Ult Sinlge Dagger?
-The Second Twin Dagger PA?
-Zondial and Rentier?
-Giresta! lolz
-Rentis?
-An Axe PA for those times I switch to Forte Fighter.
-The Ult Saber and Claw PAs?
still only 35 lol

Problem Solved

[Jey]

Hm.
Dus Daggas lv30
Dus Robado lv30
Renkai Buyouzan lv30
Moubu Senrenzan lv27
Hishou Jinrenzan lv27
Rising Crush lv30
Assault Crush lv30
Splendor Crush lv13 (gotta have something to level...)
Anga Redda lv30
Rising Strike lv27

Burning Shot lv27
Frozen Shot lv2 (<_<; something to level...)
Dark Shot lv29
Killer Shot lv22...
Enseisou lv21+
Reiseisou lv21+
Enseisou lv21+ (kinda redundant with the rifle, but I'll use for PT...)
Boma Yoga (for knockback fun)
Boma Maga (for masochistic levelling)
Twin Freeze
Twin Darkness
Twin Rising
Twin Mayalee
Mayalee Hit
Yak Banga
Yak Riga
Yak Inga
Yak Yoga
Yak Megiga
Yoseishiki
Frozen Fever
Mayalee Fever

Resta
Reverser...

Need to add Yak Zagenga and Mayalee Prism in there somewhere... will be fun deciding what to hack off. Hunter/Techers get it so easy!

[Kimil]

Only use like 3 elementals MAX a gun http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Jey]

Psssh I use them all depending on where I'm playing! Wartechers and Fortefighters have nooooo ideaaaaaaaaa http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[MT7218]

On 2007-03-22 23:28, imfanboy wrote:

On 2007-03-22 20:37, Kadan wrote:
36 Photon Art limit. 36 TECHNICS. Too bad all the gi techs, all the ra techs, and all the dam techs are basically the same and you only need dambarta, gizonde, and foie. Oh, and the fortetechers who're dumb enough to think that 12% damage REALLY makes a difference should be kicked. So really, you only need resta, reverser, the 3 debuffs, the 4 debuffs, and 3 attack techs - one gi, one dam, and foie or diga, whichever's your choice. That only comes to 12. Which leaves plenty of room for a second class like guntecher or a wartecher.



Changed for truth.



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Quoted for truth.

I acutally try to organize my PAs on my chars so that I can feel like I can do three main classes to my own style. For my newman, she will be triclassing between Fortetecher, Wartecher, and eveuntally Fortefighter, for shits, giggles, the fact our racially second best ATA will offset the low ATA this class gets, the DFP it gets will help our normally weak tootpick-like DFP, and so on.

My Newman's PAs are organized sorta like this:

Skills:
Rising Crush for Twin Sabers
Rising Strike for Sabers
Renkai Bouyu-zan for Twin Daggers
Dus Daggas for Spears
Bogga Danga for Fists
Buten Shuren-zan for Daggers

Bullets:
All elementals for Bows and Cards.

Techs:
Buffs
Debuffs
Resta
Reverser
All of the Gi- techs
Foie
Diga
Razonde (On it's way out)
Megid
Radiga (Also on it's way out, maybe.)

This is subject to change later on, as there are a few PAs I have that I don't like I may just phase out, mainly, the two RA techs. It is a touch tech heavy, yes, but it will suit my style as I see fit. FT and the tech half of WT are covered, and for the melee half of WT and FF, I am picking and choosing between weps I won't care to use ever and ones I use regularly, and I really need only ONE skill PA for the weps I DO use. When I go Fortefighter, one of the two RA techs are going byebye for an Axe PA.

All in all, the limit of 36 PAs is supposed to encourage making your own playstyle. Want to straight up specalize as one class? You'll have plenty of room for that on any class bar the gunner classes, even then, no gunner class gets every gun to use. Getting everything would make it all too easy. ST tried to keep people from relying on one, highly broken method for any one class in PSU like they did in PSO *CoughRAmarlsCough*

[imfanboy]

Hey, what was wrong with RAmarls? I have a 175 RAmarl... and I never felt her to be broken. I loved to melee with her... of course, an 80% dark MKB and a 25% hit Madam's Umbrella didn't hurt my abilities in that regard. Plus, I could S/D like no one's business!

*ahem* I like your ideas about the newman fortefighter, and I may actually consider it. I've got waaaay too many useless PAs as it is.

[Rashiid]

0 Skills.....

every card, 1 bow PA, rest are TECHS

and i put all 1 element on 1 rod b/c its easier for me to kno what each rod has on it.


i hav a resta/reverser rod (Granarodoc at that, more PP), so having resta/reverser on every rod is stupid. just to plz hunters, http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif, get tha hell outta here w/ that.

i hav every Ra-tech, every Gi-tech, every Dam- Tech, soon every Nos- tech, and all projectiles (cept megid). im dropping my de-buffs, since those are pointless (and other ppl hav em, so why should i?)

[Jey]

I'd rather you have arrows and debuffs over cards as a fT but otherwise, n/c. There's been enough force flame threads this week.

And Fanboy's edit of Kadan's comment is quoted for fail. The 12% for stacking spells on rods is nothing compared to the bonus of matching opposing elements. Gizonde, Gibarta, Gidiga, Gifoie are all useful, as is Dambarta, Damfoie, both Foie and Diga, Nosdiga, buncha Ra spells etc. Think he'd know that from touting cards on guntechers so highly.

Think the only spells I'd classify as "useless" are Barta, Zonde, and Dammegid (who the heck uses Virus lv2 D:) :F Megid too, heh.

It's nice being flexible, huh? Price to pay for being a gunner/techer specialist is investing in a lot of PAs. Doesn't leave much room besides gimping yourself (like I had to do, wish I could decide) Sucks there's no plan for lifting the PA limit... It will really hurt my soul to delete a lv30 PA by the time they release new ones.

[Rashiid]

rawrr i like mah cards!!!

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[amtalx]

Im pretty comfortable with the 36 PA limit. I havnt even come close to it yet. I tend to focus on one bullet at a time and get that to 21+ before getting more. The only thing I want is lvl 40 bullets.....mmmmm Lvl 5 burn and virus....at least I can dream.

[chibiLegolas]

I STILL say to make Humans more balanced is to give them a higher PA level cap. If ANYONE deserves a higher PA count, it's them. They're MADE to be versitale and encouraged to cross class. So they of all ppl need more PA's to help them out.

[Emrald]

Meh Here's how my fortecher rolls

Reverser
Resta

Diga
Radiga
gidiga
damdiga

dammedgid
ramedgid
megiverse

four buffs

I have other techs but I don't use them....all the other techs are suckky and are to weak

[JAFO22000]

Jey and Kandii get it....

I like the versatility of being able to use the regular, gi-, ra-, dam- and/or nos- techs in any given situation. Before going into a misson, i basically know how my rods need to be set up; if going into Mizuraki, half of my rods are 4 fire spells and the other half are 4 ice spells. GoF = all lightning. Mad Beasts will see me with 3 Earth rods and 3 Ice rods. I have 4 rods for buffs/debuffs (2 apiece) and 6 "attack" rods, which switch depending upon the level I'm on. If I only need access to 2 elements, then I split them 3 and 3. If I need access to three elements, then I split them up 2-2-2. I carry 4 wands for Resta/Reverser with a card in the off hand for the occasional flying enemy (and box breaking!). Pallette = Buff Rod/Debuff Rod/ card-wand combo/Attack Rod/Attack Rod/Attack Rod. Debuffs are NOT useless and Resta /Reverser is really easy to access at all times (i.e. you don't need them on every rod).

[Angelo]

On 2007-03-22 20:37, Kadan wrote:
Bows and Cards are pointless.



For newmans. Human Fortetechers actually put them to good use.



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[DA_SHIZZLE_IG]

THIS GAME IS JUST A TEST RUN FOR PSU ver. 2!!!!!!!!!! quit now and stop waisting your money.The S ranks suck and they don't have anything on PSO weapons.VER 2 will have all the cool weapons and armors.


THIS GAME IS DONE!!!!! ALL BOSSES HAVE BEEN RELEASED!!!!!! AND THE UNRELEASED ITEMS SUCK.



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