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Weakness
Apr 1, 2007, 10:48 PM
Okay, so I have been playing offline extra mode for the past week or so.

I made a new character... though he looks kind of goofy do to the severe lack of clothing... but alas, I carried on. I plowed through levels, got to level 60 so I could do The HIVE, and have been there ever since looking for the Daggers of Saraphi.


-.-; Now, from what I have read, they drop from Bel Pannons in The HIVE. Well, luckily a total of 14 pop in the first ~3 minutes of the mission. That makes it quick and easy to do a sweep of 14, run back to the start, and restart the mission.

I have been at it for days now. I have killed 4,200 Bel Pannons (been counting, just finished my 300th run -.-;). I have 37 Whitill Wings, am level 100, got enough money to buy every S rank from the shops, and have both PA's for spear/twin dagger/twin saber at 30... and no Dagger of Saraphi.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cry.gif What am I doing wrong? This game hates me for some reason ._.;.

Sychosis
Apr 1, 2007, 10:57 PM
Just be glad you aren't looking for it online...

Weakness
Apr 1, 2007, 11:00 PM
On 2007-04-01 20:57, Sychosis wrote:
Just be glad you aren't looking for it online...



-.-; Knowing my luck, I would find it online without even trying... but my online character is a ForteGunner so it would rot in my PM along with my Me/Quick and Giga/Skill PP Save.

ljkkjlcm9
Apr 1, 2007, 11:02 PM
or you could trade those items away to someone that wants them

THE JACKEL

Weakness
Apr 1, 2007, 11:03 PM
On 2007-04-01 21:02, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
or you could trade those items away to someone that wants them

THE JACKEL



I have tried to trade them... nobody will trade a Giga/Bullet PP Save for them. And other then that, what else is there for a Ranger?

Weeaboolits
Apr 1, 2007, 11:22 PM
Dagger of Seraphi drops offline?!
*must level for HIVE now*

pikachief
Apr 1, 2007, 11:31 PM
is it also in story mode?

Weakness
Apr 1, 2007, 11:33 PM
On 2007-04-01 21:31, pikachief wrote:
is it also in story mode?



Yes. Should be the same thing, Bel Pannons in The HIVE (very last mission in the game) for story mode.

youthisoverrated
Apr 1, 2007, 11:41 PM
awww weakness *hugs* it'll be okay

Weeaboolits
Apr 1, 2007, 11:50 PM
Make sure you get a Whittil Wing to go with it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Weakness
Apr 1, 2007, 11:52 PM
On 2007-04-01 21:50, Ronin_Cooper wrote:
Make sure you get a Whittil Wing to go with it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



-.-; I have a billion of those... Need one? Or fifteen?

Weeaboolits
Apr 1, 2007, 11:57 PM
do you have an S rank armor yet?

Cz
Apr 1, 2007, 11:57 PM
your not the only one crying about the drop rate in this game. OMG i hate the drop rate in this game so much....lets see....100+runs and no me/quick from Agata Onma...100+runs and no har/quick, sori/force or even halarod board...1000+runs and no crea double...200+runs and those rappy paska wont drop me the halp serafi....ok i quit...lol. After all of those trouble i didnt get anything i wanted. *cry* *cry* *cry* *cry* yep that is wat this game is making me do...lol.

Weakness
Apr 1, 2007, 11:59 PM
On 2007-04-01 21:57, Ronin_Cooper wrote:
do you have an S rank armor yet?



All three in offline mode. As well as all the S rank units.

XenithFlare
Apr 2, 2007, 12:01 AM
I've found three Daggers of Serafi in my 42 hours offline... <_< I'd give one to you, if I could.

Weeaboolits
Apr 2, 2007, 12:13 AM
I didn't even know they could drop, if I could stop accidently saving over my files for a minute then maybe I'd have one >.<

Zorafim
Apr 2, 2007, 12:24 AM
That's odd, I got two on my three visits there... The drop rate offline for anything but kubara wood and PA disks is normally very high.

Weeaboolits
Apr 2, 2007, 12:36 AM
in story I got wings in my first HIVE run, in Extra, I had to grind it like 5-10 times

XenithFlare
Apr 2, 2007, 12:38 AM
Yeah, Kubara Wood wasted probably 10 hours at least. o_o;; Getting all the NPC-given PAs wasn't too difficult, though. Speaking of, gravity dance isn't in offline mode, is it? I can't remember for some reason...

Weeaboolits
Apr 2, 2007, 12:43 AM
On 2007-04-01 22:38, XenithFlare wrote:
Yeah, Kubara Wood wasted probably 10 hours at least. o_o;; Getting all the NPC-given PAs wasn't too difficult, though. Speaking of, gravity dance isn't in offline mode, is it? I can't remember for some reason...



I think lou only gives you spiral and tornado.
also, my record for Kubara farming was 3 woods in a single run http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif my worst was over ten without and ;_;

sakodea
Apr 2, 2007, 12:44 AM
I finally got serafi boards online a few days ago from the same set of rappies, i was about to wet my pants i was so excited lol so i got 2 daggers comin up soon i just gotta get more goldania! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

XenithFlare
Apr 2, 2007, 08:17 AM
Ah, it's Spiral... I couldn't remember XD Thanks. Congrats on the Kubara farming, after the first Svaltus came out at 60%, I lost interest in ever looking again lol

...Sakodea... I'll save you the time of finding Goldania, and gain you an innumerable amount of rare weapons and armor... <_<

majan
Apr 2, 2007, 04:05 PM
On 2007-04-01 21:00, Weakness wrote:

On 2007-04-01 20:57, Sychosis wrote:
Just be glad you aren't looking for it online...



-.-; Knowing my luck, I would find it online without even trying... but my online character is a ForteGunner so it would rot in my PM along with my Me/Quick and Giga/Skill PP Save.



what server are you on?perhaps you should lower the prices just a tad...an item that rare that you find on the gruond shoudlnt make you forget that whatever you do get for it in a trade or selling it is profit...

try lowering them and maybe theyll become fresh in your pm rather than rotting http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pizza.gif

Zorafim
Apr 2, 2007, 04:07 PM
Or give it to me and I'll give you all I own. Also, me love you long time.

Weakness
Apr 2, 2007, 04:07 PM
On 2007-04-02 14:05, majan wrote:

what server are you on?perhaps you should lower the prices just a tad...an item that rare that you find on the gruond shoudlnt make you forget that whatever you do get for it in a trade or selling it is profit...

try lowering them and maybe theyll become fresh in your pm rather than rotting http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pizza.gif



I'm on PS2/PC servers, I wont sell them for money, I am only looking to trade the items. I have more money then I know what to do with, so what would be the point of having more toilet paper?

Ryoki
Apr 2, 2007, 04:19 PM
On 2007-04-01 22:44, sakodea wrote:
I finally got serafi boards online a few days ago from the same set of rappies, i was about to wet my pants i was so excited lol so i got 2 daggers comin up soon i just gotta get more goldania! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


This is about Daggers of Serafi, not Halp Serafi. And this is offline. Weakness, i happened to notice most people find them on Story mode. Maybe they don't even drop on extra. Doubt it, but maybe...

Allison_W
Apr 2, 2007, 04:22 PM
Do skill save units drop much more frequently than bullet saves, or something? Otherwise, I'd be tempted to think it'd go something like, "Hey, I'm a Hunter with a bullet save; you're a Ranger with a skill save. Let's trade!"

Weakness
Apr 2, 2007, 04:24 PM
On 2007-04-02 14:22, Allison_W wrote:
Do skill save units drop much more frequently than bullet saves, or something? Otherwise, I'd be tempted to think it'd go something like, "Hey, I'm a Hunter with a bullet save; you're a Ranger with a skill save. Let's trade!"



It is just that skill save units drop off rappies, and bullet save units drop from jaggos... and nobody plays missions where there are level 50+ Jaggos.

The new Crimson Beast mission is a jaggo mission, but I haven't seen a bullet save unit drop from them yet.

Allison_W
Apr 2, 2007, 04:26 PM
Me neither. I've gotten a Jao Delma (or whatever it's called), and I've seen jaggos maybe two to four times over the several Crimson Beast runs I've done, but I haven't seen a bullet save from them yet.

Then again, I was doing C rank and a couple B rank runs, which is probably reason enough for them to not drop something so valuable.

Weakness
Apr 2, 2007, 04:46 PM
On 2007-04-02 14:26, Allison_W wrote:
Me neither. I've gotten a Jao Delma (or whatever it's called), and I've seen jaggos maybe two to four times over the several Crimson Beast runs I've done, but I haven't seen a bullet save from them yet.

Then again, I was doing C rank and a couple B rank runs, which is probably reason enough for them to not drop something so valuable.



They need to be level 50+ to drop it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Sylpheed
Apr 2, 2007, 07:14 PM
GETTING KUBARA WOOD OFFFLINE IS IMPOSSIBLE AAAAAAAAAAAH! *blows head off with blackbull*

VanHalen
Apr 2, 2007, 11:01 PM
I always seem to find things when I don't look for them. I got one kubara wood offline on the wrong character when I was trying to level him up, a BT lovers online(on valentines day too) when I was helping a friend with his alt, and a WD lovers well......cause I happened to be there.

I was searching for the easter decoration(the only holiday one I want) and I can never find it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif . Maybe I can find someone to trade for it with or hopefully when I'm off vacation the easter event will still be up.

XenithFlare
Apr 2, 2007, 11:35 PM
I've been thinking of just DOING LLS2 runs, because then I'll find rappies. I know it. …¬_¬ because they hate me

Yuudai_Riisu
Apr 3, 2007, 01:39 AM
My Halp Serafi Drop from third set of Rappy Paska

XenithFlare
Apr 3, 2007, 12:14 PM
...it's official, I hate everyone. ><

HandOfThornz
Apr 3, 2007, 01:45 PM
extra mode question:-
what does drop off monster in the hives?
ive found whitill wings... i think from deljabaner...but bel pannon,garozan, jug.... thingy what do they drop?
also bul buna i have no idea what it drops?

Weakness
Apr 3, 2007, 01:59 PM
On 2007-04-02 23:39, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:
My Halp Serafi Drop from third set of Rappy Paska



This is the Dagger of Saraphi (twin daggers) from offline mode, I don't care about what you got online.


On 2007-04-03 11:45, HandOfThornz wrote:
extra mode question:-
what does drop off monster in the hives?
ive found whitill wings... i think from deljabaner...but bel pannon,garozan, jug.... thingy what do they drop?
also bul buna i have no idea what it drops?



Del's drop Whitill Wings
Bell Pannons drop Dagger of Saraphi
Wizard guys drop some A rank rod
and the Tengogh type guys drop... money?

;;>.> Bul Buna aren't in the hive... those are the worm monsters on Moatoob.

HandOfThornz
Apr 3, 2007, 06:07 PM
thanx..for answer about hives drops!
yeah i know bul buna are'nt hives.. but i cant get them to drop thier drop! just wondered what it would be =)

Fulgore
Apr 3, 2007, 06:18 PM
LOL! The bel pannons can be annoying at times...I love to Gi spell them or Dambarta them to death....they love that http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Yuudai_Riisu
Apr 4, 2007, 04:45 PM
On 2007-04-03 11:59, Weakness wrote:

On 2007-04-02 23:39, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:
My Halp Serafi Drop from third set of Rappy Paska



This is the Dagger of Saraphi (twin daggers) from offline mode, I don't care about what you got online.



If I wanted some cum back Id scrape it off your upper lip



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Weakness
Apr 4, 2007, 04:46 PM
On 2007-04-04 14:45, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:

On 2007-04-03 11:59, Weakness wrote:

On 2007-04-02 23:39, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:
My Halp Serafi Drop from third set of Rappy Paska



This is the Dagger of Saraphi (twin daggers) from offline mode, I don't care about what you got online.



If I wanted some cum back Id scrape it off your upper lip



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Yuudai_Riisu on 2007-04-04 14:45 ]</font>


The internet is a battle of wits... with a comment like that, I see you came unarmed.

Yuudai_Riisu
Apr 4, 2007, 04:48 PM
On 2007-04-04 14:46, Weakness wrote:

On 2007-04-04 14:45, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:

On 2007-04-03 11:59, Weakness wrote:

On 2007-04-02 23:39, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:
My Halp Serafi Drop from third set of Rappy Paska



This is the Dagger of Saraphi (twin daggers) from offline mode, I don't care about what you got online.



If I wanted some cum back Id scrape it off your upper lip



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Yuudai_Riisu on 2007-04-04 14:45 ]</font>


The internet is a battle of twits... with a comment like that, I see I cummed unarmed.



I can tell O_O

XDeviousX
Apr 4, 2007, 04:49 PM
Found the daggers today offline on my first run, first room, my second time ever in hives offline.... It maid me think about this post and it happened to be at the top of the list when I logged on...

Weakness
Apr 4, 2007, 04:51 PM
On 2007-04-04 14:49, XDeviousX wrote:
Found the daggers today offline on my first run, first room, my second time ever in hives offline.... It maid me think about this post and it happened to be at the top of the list when I logged on...



-.-; I hate you, I am up to my 373 run...

Yuudai_Riisu
Apr 4, 2007, 04:54 PM
I wouldnt put that much effort offline after finished the game

Zorafim
Apr 4, 2007, 04:58 PM
On 2007-04-04 14:51, Weakness wrote:
-.-; I hate you, I am up to my 373 run...



You have to be doing something wrong. There's no way the daggers are that rare. I easily found them within a few runs on my caseal, and found them on my first run with Ethan. I can't see it possible for someone to be so unlucky as to go through there 373 times and come out empty handed.

Weakness
Apr 4, 2007, 04:58 PM
On 2007-04-04 14:48, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:

On 2007-04-04 14:46, Weakness wrote:

The internet is a battle of twits... with a comment like that, I see I cummed unarmed.



I can tell O_O



If that's the best you can do, most of the assholes from this message board are going to make you cry kiddo.

I simply said I didn't care what you found online, this is a topic discussing offline. You should of read it before you posted. But obviously that great comprehensive power of yours can't understand that.

Also, you sort of insulted yourself. You replaced "you" with "I" and seeing as it was from my post... the I would imply to me. I can see the public high school system in America is still as top notch as ever. Let me guess, you're the honor roll student in that hick ass school up in Oklahoma?

Weakness
Apr 4, 2007, 05:00 PM
On 2007-04-04 14:58, Zorafim wrote:

On 2007-04-04 14:51, Weakness wrote:
-.-; I hate you, I am up to my 373 run...



You have to be doing something wrong. There's no way the daggers are that rare. I easily found them within a few runs on my caseal, and found them on my first run with Ethan. I can't see it possible for someone to be so unlucky as to go through there 373 times and come out empty handed.



Well... I do have over 50 Whitill Wings to show for my effort?

Watch me go play through on my Ranger and get it first try...

Yuudai_Riisu
Apr 4, 2007, 05:02 PM
On 2007-04-04 14:58, Weakness wrote:

On 2007-04-04 14:48, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:

On 2007-04-04 14:46, Weakness wrote:

The internet is a battle of twits... with a comment like that, I see I cummed unarmed.



I can tell O_O



If that's the best you can do, most of the assholes from this message board are going to make you cry kiddo.

I simply said I didn't care what you found online, this is a topic discussing offline. You should of read it before you posted. But obviously that great comprehensive power of yours can't understand that.

Also, you sort of insulted yourself. You replaced "you" with "I" and seeing as it was from my post... the I would imply to me. I can see the public high school system in America is still as top notch as ever. Let me guess, you're the honor roll student in that hick ass school up in Oklahoma?



really dont get your pannies in friggen twists and I dont see any hicks here you must be mistaken stereotyper

Yuudai_Riisu
Apr 4, 2007, 05:09 PM
Also, you sort of insulted yourself. You replaced "you" with "I" and seeing as it was from my post... the I would imply to me. I can see the public high school system in America is still as top notch as ever. Let me guess, you're the honor roll student in that hick ass school up in Oklahoma?

[/quote]

btw you are really making yourself looked ignorant and stuck up snob



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Weakness
Apr 4, 2007, 05:11 PM
On 2007-04-04 15:09, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:
Also, you sort of insulted yourself. You replaced "you" with "I" and seeing as it was from my post... the I would imply to me. I can see the public high school system in America is still as top notch as ever. Let me guess, you're the honor roll student in that hick ass school up in Oklahoma?



btw you are really making yourself looked ignorant




Please do explain on that one. I'm curious.



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Yuudai_Riisu
Apr 4, 2007, 05:14 PM
usually people passing judgement on something they dont know likE OKLAHOMA is ignorant

Weakness
Apr 4, 2007, 05:16 PM
On 2007-04-04 15:14, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:
usually people passing judgement on something they dont know likE OKLAHOMA is ignorant



Fine, want me to call you a hick ass indian?

Oklahoma is in the bible bet, which would be the south. Hence, hicks.

Yuudai_Riisu
Apr 4, 2007, 05:19 PM
Fine, want me to call you a hick ass indian?

Oklahoma is in the bible bet, which would be the south. Hence, hicks.

[/quote]

Im not an Indian Im Welsh and now who looks like an idiot like Bet . Im taking you mean belt and and no lot of people dont go to church here dumbass.
Oklahoma is in the middle of united states not south



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Weakness
Apr 4, 2007, 05:25 PM
On 2007-04-04 15:19, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:
Fine, want me to call you a hick ass indian?

Oklahoma is in the bible bet, which would be the south. Hence, hicks.



Im not a Indian Im Welsh and looks like an idiot like Bet . Im taking you mean belt and and no lot of people dont go to church here dumbass
Oklahoma is in the middle of united states not south


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Yuudai_Riisu on 2007-04-04 15:20 ]</font>


God forbid I had a typo.

And, ZOMGWTFBBQ!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt) It looks like you are in the Bible Belt, which again would be in the south.

And if you can't see the Indian remark with the fact that you are from Oklahoma, I suggest you drive to the Choctaw Casino some time.

Yuudai_Riisu
Apr 4, 2007, 05:28 PM
God <----didnt he say if we're in the bible belt were hicks* forbid I had a typo

btw you are just doing this to make yourself look better I just sense a lack of self-esteem



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Weakness
Apr 4, 2007, 05:31 PM
On 2007-04-04 15:28, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:
God <----didnt he say if we're in the bible belt were hicks* forbid I had a typo



1) It is an expressionary term.

2) Who says I am Christian? The bible is nothing more then the drunken, misinterpreted ramblings about a carpenter from 2,000 years ago.

Yuudai_Riisu
Apr 4, 2007, 05:36 PM
On 2007-04-04 15:31, Weakness wrote:

On 2007-04-04 15:28, Yuudai_Riisu wrote:
God <----didnt he say if we're in the bible belt were hicks* forbid I had a typo



1) It is an expressionary term.

2) Who says I am Christian? The bible is nothing more then the drunken, misinterpreted ramblings about a carpenter from 2,000 years ago.



Im getting off before the flaming starts lol

Flwl3ssCowboy
Apr 4, 2007, 06:28 PM
On 2007-04-01 20:48, Weakness wrote:
Okay, so I have been playing offline extra mode for the past week or so.

I made a new character... though he looks kind of goofy do to the severe lack of clothing... but alas, I carried on. I plowed through levels, got to level 60 so I could do The HIVE, and have been there ever since looking for the Daggers of Saraphi.


-.-; Now, from what I have read, they drop from Bel Pannons in The HIVE. Well, luckily a total of 14 pop in the first ~3 minutes of the mission. That makes it quick and easy to do a sweep of 14, run back to the start, and restart the mission.

I have been at it for days now. I have killed 4,200 Bel Pannons (been counting, just finished my 300th run -.-;). I have 37 Whitill Wings, am level 100, got enough money to buy every S rank from the shops, and have both PA's for spear/twin dagger/twin saber at 30... and no Dagger of Saraphi.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cry.gif What am I doing wrong? This game hates me for some reason ._.;.



Offline i got the daggers w/o even knowing they existed on like, my 2nd/3rd run lol

pokefiend
Apr 4, 2007, 07:50 PM
lol I found two of those in story mode, w/o trying. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Weeaboolits
Apr 4, 2007, 08:02 PM
On 2007-04-04 16:28, Flwl3ssCowboy wrote:

On 2007-04-01 20:48, Weakness wrote:
Okay, so I have been playing offline extra mode for the past week or so.

I made a new character... though he looks kind of goofy do to the severe lack of clothing... but alas, I carried on. I plowed through levels, got to level 60 so I could do The HIVE, and have been there ever since looking for the Daggers of Saraphi.


-.-; Now, from what I have read, they drop from Bel Pannons in The HIVE. Well, luckily a total of 14 pop in the first ~3 minutes of the mission. That makes it quick and easy to do a sweep of 14, run back to the start, and restart the mission.

I have been at it for days now. I have killed 4,200 Bel Pannons (been counting, just finished my 300th run -.-;). I have 37 Whitill Wings, am level 100, got enough money to buy every S rank from the shops, and have both PA's for spear/twin dagger/twin saber at 30... and no Dagger of Saraphi.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cry.gif What am I doing wrong? This game hates me for some reason ._.;.



Offline i got the daggers w/o even knowing they existed on like, my 2nd/3rd run lol


;_;

Zorafim
Apr 4, 2007, 09:14 PM
Wow. Weakness is an ass.

Weakness
Apr 4, 2007, 09:52 PM
On 2007-04-04 19:14, Zorafim wrote:
Wow. Weakness is an ass.



http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif You act like this is shocking information.

Anyway, on a positive note. I finally found my daggers! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Zorafim
Apr 4, 2007, 09:54 PM
Wow, that really took a while. How long did it take?

40% fire, correct?

Weakness
Apr 4, 2007, 09:55 PM
On 2007-04-04 19:54, Zorafim wrote:
Wow, that really took a while. How long did it take?

40% fire, correct?



About 9 hours total of farming.

And yeah, 40% Fire... Bwahaha time to go rape Absolute Zero.

Zorafim
Apr 4, 2007, 10:01 PM
Not like that's hard. Yet, it's the hardest thing to do in the game, next to raping Fakis.

That reminds me, I still have to get Ethan the Svaltus Sword +10 with 80% light (easy due to reloading) and this dagger.

XenithFlare
Apr 4, 2007, 11:52 PM
off-topic- ...reading all of that really made me lose about ten million respect points for Weakness. O.o;; A lot of that really didn't need to be said, and racism(ie- calling someone a "hick-ass indian") really has no purpose nor place on this site.

on-topic- I like my +10 Svaltus Edge, but I let the % go at 60 once I realized I'd spent over two hours reloading just to get that. <_< I guess I can deal with it. The Daggers, on the other hand.. don't grind well at all. A great waste of time and money.