PSU 3d models

[idon]

Has anyone figured out a way to pull the 3d models from the game into a viewer and/or a 3d program?

[Zorafim]

Oh, I can't wait until we can do this. I used to play with a model viewer all the time for FFXI. Hopefully, we'll see .dat editing too.

[Remedy]

There's a piece of Japanese software that can manipulate them (the origins of the Partner Machine pron that was floating around at PSU's release), but bugger if I know how to get the damned models. XD

[omegapirate2k]

wtf partner machine pron?

>_>

[Para]

On 2007-04-03 07:12, omegapirate2k wrote:
wtf partner machine pron?

>_>

lol isnt wasnt pr0n but more like just ecchi XP There was one of GH440 posted here.. and another one of Karen up on jp boards.

[Soukosa]

On 2007-04-03 14:29, Para wrote:
On 2007-04-03 07:12, omegapirate2k wrote:
lol isnt wasnt pr0n but more like just ecchi XP There was one of GH440 posted here.. and another one of Karen up on jp boards.

Etchi is a term for something perverted (as well as the letter "h"). Isn't that exactly what pr0n is?

[idon]

On 2007-04-03 00:55, Zorafim wrote:
Oh, I can't wait until we can do this. I used to play with a model viewer all the time for FFXI. Hopefully, we'll see .dat editing too.



I loved the ffxi model viewer. I remember all the crazy videos people made with that.

[Superguppie]

Not to be a party-pooper, but I think model-viewers are a no-no subject here. Main motivation is that the technology to make such a viewer is the same as hacking stuff for other purposes. We can discuss, but not ask for or provide.

[Zantra]

I'd like a PSO model viewer, I think if you play PSU online, you already have a pretty good model viewer...

[Knightsword]

Looking at files installed to in your own computer is not hacking, a viewer which is made of independent code to view such files also requires no hacking. Ask any one who uses the FFXI model viewer, not to mention 3d model file types are common in just about every game that uses 3d models. So it is also possible adapt modeling software to see such models too. So when someone says that model viewers are hacking, they are full of it.

[Superguppie]

If by hacking you mean altering code, then no, it isn't hacking. However, hacking has a much broader defintion. Just finding out how the files are structured, and making a program that can represent it any better than hexdump is also hacking. Also, the same method used to find out these things is also used to find out how to alter code. So, a modelviewer, no matter how innocent, falls in the category of hacking. And this website says no to it...ALL of it.

[Soukosa]

Anything you can actually alter on the client end can't do much if any damage to the game. The main things that people care about altering for the sake of cheating and such would be caught by CRC checks. Messing with the data on PSU isn't gonna lead to vast issues like it did on PSO either since the server checks for things.

[Superguppie]

I agree a model viewer would be harmless. However, consider the following example from FFXI, a game I play a lot nowadays, and has it's own specific problems. The model viewer is an accepted thing there. But a further extension of it is a dreaded hack.
Apart from reading files to have a look at the nice clothes you could get, similar technology allows people to read memory of FFXI when running. This is abused by people playing some minigames that would be unplayable if all data would be server-side. The abuse is that they can see what the result will be if successful. If the result is unfavorable, the game is canceled, saving a lot of time. The next step is to alter memory at runtime to make the success guaranteed and fast. The people abusing this use it to get very rare items much quicker than other players. Also, due to some countermeasure that is server-side (determining what the result will be is limited to a certain number of rare results per time unit) the cheaters get a lot more than normal players, effectively monopolizing these results.
The line between ok hacking and not ok hacking can be very thin. And I think the rules here make very clear where it is....all the way at the start.


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[Ryna]

For the purposes of this thread, it is ok to link to a 3D model viewer (if one exists) and provide instructions on how to use it (as long as they are within reason).

[Knightsword]

On 2007-04-30 17:15, Superguppie wrote:

Apart from reading files to have a look at the nice clothes you could get, similar technology allows people to read memory of FFXI when running. This is abused by people playing some minigames that would be unplayable if all data would be server-side. The abuse is that they can see what the result will be if successful. If the result is unfavorable, the game is canceled, saving a lot of time. The next step is to alter memory at runtime to make the success
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By similar you mean comparing apples to pork chops. The ffxi model viewer has zero code that lets it do any thing to game other then to model files. What you are thinking of is the windower which is a hack. Also the model viewer is best used when the game is not running. Its posts like yours that are full of hyperbull that give modelviewers a bad name.

[Superguppie]

Wow. Now I am talking hyperbull. Never noticed myself.
And no, I don't mean the program modelviewer has the technology for windowing in it. What I do mean is that the same technology that used to get to making a modelviewer is used to get to making a windower. Chances are that the people responsible for some of the modelers are also responsible for some of the windowers and other cheating tools. Some pieces of code (like decryption and encryption) are in both, and are at the core of the hacking code.

Also, finding out stuff about programs by taking them apart (reverse engineering) is well within the definition of hacking. Whether you turn what you find into something benevolent or malevolent is beside the point. It is hacking, all from the same hat of the same magician.


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[Shiro_Ryuu]

Hmm, Interesting. *dreams of Maya ecchi*

[Neith]

If anyone finds a PSO or PSU model viewer, or a way to bring the models into a 3d package, I'd be very interested. I've had a search around, but not found anything.

[Wraithwin]

I'm sure there is a lot more interest in a model viewer for PSU than simply expressed by the people here. I'd love one myself, but as far as I know that's just a hope swirling around a drain. I curse myself for never pursuing my interests in 3d model building - might have been able to do something myself. Heh.

Any hits on the topic or advances in the tech, toss me word.

[Mikaga]

From what I recall Gulkeva saying about the JP edits, those were made by extracting the models and using some form of editor for them.

I also recall him saying that they couldn't re-insert them back into the game due to CRC checks and stuff.

By the way, dependant on what you consider "pr0n", the PM pics might have been. Especially if you saw the GH-430 one.

[Para]

Well I saw another PM pic of the GH450 shiryuu found and it looked more like Ecchi than pr0n lol.