Superman sucks.

[Uncle_bob]

What's the deal? He can't die. Ever. There's no fun in that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif Spiderman and Batman are far better.

[Nani-chan]

Can it be Kryptonite time now please?

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/steelerdiehard86/Kryptonite1.jpg



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[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

But then, he did die, people complained and he came back.

Complaints are the biggest kryptonite.

[Uncle_bob]

Kryptonite is a crock of shit. He never really dies. Fairies shit out magic or something and he always comes back. He's just horribly boring.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

So you're saying CaptainBatSpiderAmericaMan could kick Superman's ass?

I'll throw down some cash.

[Nani-chan]

Well when kryptonite fails we must rely on desunite.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/onimoz/1156227145300.png

[Skuda]

Superman may be a little boring, but he gets the job done.

Man o steel gonna bust up yo chops!~

[Uncle_bob]

He's still boring as...as...

[Nani-chan]

boring as... boring as... boring into cement

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l14/maneem/super_man.jpg

[Shattered_weasel]

To dismiss a whole character just because of his power scheme is pathetic. It's like saying a whole medium of entertainment is shit. But whatever, we all know you have read all 70+ years of material related to him.

BTW Superman "died" before Spider-man.

[Uncle_bob]

On 2007-04-07 00:10, Shattered_weasel wrote:
To dismiss a whole character just because of his power scheme is pathetic. It's like saying a whole medium of entertainment is shit. But whatever, we all know you have read all 70+ years of material related to him.

BTW Superman "died" before Spider-man.



But it's not fun. It's like making a comic about God.

[Skuda]

umkle! you're a genius!

*starts drawing*

[Blitzkommando]

On 2007-04-07 00:22, Uncle_bob wrote:

On 2007-04-07 00:10, Shattered_weasel wrote:
To dismiss a whole character just because of his power scheme is pathetic. It's like saying a whole medium of entertainment is shit. But whatever, we all know you have read all 70+ years of material related to him.

BTW Superman "died" before Spider-man.



But it's not fun. It's like making a comic about God.


But God could be funny. Platypus anyone? I'd say that's a one-up for God in entertainment value.

[Mixfortune]

Technically you should only be dying once anyways.
So either way it's 'messed up'.

[Shattered_weasel]

On 2007-04-07 00:22, Uncle_bob wrote:

On 2007-04-07 00:10, Shattered_weasel wrote:
To dismiss a whole character just because of his power scheme is pathetic. It's like saying a whole medium of entertainment is shit. But whatever, we all know you have read all 70+ years of material related to him.

BTW Superman "died" before Spider-man.



But it's not fun. It's like making a comic about God.



To think that all Superman does is fight random thug #6 is all he does makes the real baby Jesus cry.

[Nani-chan]

Thread needs more desunite.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/Mulfer/1143846925353.gif

[Skuda]

On 2007-04-07 01:49, Shattered_weasel wrote:
To think that all Superman does is fight random thug #6 is all he does makes the real baby Jesus cry.



This can only mean... that there are fake baby Jesus'!

[Nani-chan]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e29/pantaloons23/fakejesus.jpg

[Shattered_weasel]

On 2007-04-07 01:57, Nani-chan wrote:
Thread needs more desunite.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/Mulfer/1143846925353.gif



<3 Umkel

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/UncleBob/lolbkl.jpg

Now GTFO.

[Nani-chan]

Gtfo Is another meme, so I'll follow after you Weasel. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a80/GrayNine/gtfo.jpg

[Ether]

Hay guys sorry I'm late



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[Shattered_weasel]

Yea...nope. Not one at all.

[Nani-chan]

Ether I missed you so much!

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/Nagatsu/Desu%20Images/Azu_Desu.jpg

[Uncle_bob]

Gotta side with Weasel on this, despite our opposing views on Supermans. Gtfo. Keep /b/ in /b/.

[Skuda]

table stretching for the lose, ether. You should really know better.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[DizzyDi]

HAY GUYS CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!

[Moo2u]

Yeah guys! I thought we were ripping on how crappy Superman is?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Moo2u/Funny%20pics/defeated.jpg

[Dhylec]

On 2007-04-07 08:58, Moo2u wrote:
Yeah guys! I thought we were ripping on how crappy Superman is?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Moo2u/Funny%20pics/defeated.jpg


;o

[Obscenity]

On 2007-04-06 23:44, Uncle_bob wrote:
What's the deal? He can't die. Ever. There's no fun in that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif Spiderman and Batman are far better.


Yeah, because Batman dies all the time.

Most people's complaints about Superman stem from the fact that he's demigodlike, but someone has to be the most powerful. If Superman didn't exist, these same people would be bitching about Wonder Woman or Captain Marvel or Martian Manhunter. (I'm not mentioning any Marvel superheroes here, because they're several orders below DC's characters in terms of power. If any of the Marvel/DC crossovers were written with any sense of reality in terms of both companies' continuity, they'd be really boring, because all of the DC characters would be wiping the floor with the Marvel characters.)

Superman is the greatest superhero ever. Period. And it's not his powers that make him the greatest ever, it's how he uses them. He's Jesus in a cape. We won't get into the whole "Judge, Jury, Executioner" storyline, because everyone knows that John Byrne is a wanker.

[Nani-chan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/littlelawn1954/116_4_293.jpg

Not only does he suck, he also blows... cold breath I think.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/LeadWngs635/superman.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/eeyore3716/Superman.jpg

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[Shattered_weasel]

On 2007-04-07 09:53, Obscenity wrote:

(I'm not mentioning any Marvel superheroes here, because they're several orders below DC's characters in terms of power.



THE IGNORANCE IS SPREADING!

Please. Some of Marvel's characters are several tiers above anything DC has to offer. Some including...

Thor
Iron Man
Ares
Odin
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Phoenix
Iceman
Mr. Immortal
Kid Omega
Mister M
Thanos
Mar-vel
Super Skrull
Drax
Scarlet Witch
Wolverine
Franklin Richards
Hulk

And that is just some.

[Dhylec]

that's already a mighty long list ;o

[Skuda]

On 2007-04-07 15:54, Shattered_weasel wrote:

On 2007-04-07 09:53, Obscenity wrote:

(I'm not mentioning any Marvel superheroes here, because they're several orders below DC's characters in terms of power.



THE IGNORANCE IS SPREADING!

Please. Some of Marvel's characters are several tiers above anything DC has to offer. Some including...

Thor
Iron Man
Ares
Odin
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Phoenix
Iceman
Mr. Immortal
Kid Omega
Mister M
Thanos
Mar-vel
Super Skrull
Drax
Scarlet Witch
Wolverine
Franklin Richards
Hulk

And that is just some.



Ah, Shattered_weasel beat me to it.

[Moo2u]

Didn't Super Skrull just die?

[foamcup]

Superman is a pussy. Forget that 'using your powers for good' crap, if I had that power, I'd use it for awesome.

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

On 2007-04-07 19:38, foamcup wrote:
if I had that power, I'd use it for awesome.


Supermoo?

[geewj]

I was asked not to say anything.

[PhotonDrop]

On 2007-04-07 15:54, Shattered_weasel wrote:

On 2007-04-07 09:53, Obscenity wrote:

(I'm not mentioning any Marvel superheroes here, because they're several orders below DC's characters in terms of power.



THE IGNORANCE IS SPREADING!

Please. Some of Marvel's characters are several tiers above anything DC has to offer. Some including...

Thor
Iron Man
Ares
Odin
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Phoenix
Iceman
Mr. Immortal
Kid Omega
Mister M
Thanos
Mar-vel
Super Skrull
Drax
Scarlet Witch
Wolverine
Franklin Richards
Hulk

And that is just some.



Genis Vell is fun too

[Moo2u]

On 2007-04-07 19:51, HAYABUSA-FMW- wrote:

On 2007-04-07 19:38, foamcup wrote:
if I had that power, I'd use it for awesome.


Supermoo?



Just because...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Moo2u/Funny%20pics/bitchpunch1a.jpg

Either way, I'm sure we can all agree Brids of Pray is the best comic book ever...
http://www.superdickery.com/images/seduction/obcs.jpg
...hells yeah...

[Dhylec]

;o teh moo & teh galz

[Obscenity]

On 2007-04-07 17:05, Skuda wrote:

On 2007-04-07 15:54, Shattered_weasel wrote:

On 2007-04-07 09:53, Obscenity wrote:

(I'm not mentioning any Marvel superheroes here, because they're several orders below DC's characters in terms of power.



THE IGNORANCE IS SPREADING!

Please. Some of Marvel's characters are several tiers above anything DC has to offer. Some including...

Thor
Iron Man
Ares
Odin
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Phoenix
Iceman
Mr. Immortal
Kid Omega
Mister M
Thanos
Mar-vel
Super Skrull
Drax
Scarlet Witch
Wolverine
Franklin Richards
Hulk

And that is just some.



Ah, Shattered_weasel beat me to it.



The only thing he beat you to is being wrong. Granted it's been a few years, so things could have changed since then, but every Marvel Handbook entry I've ever read has put the physical lifting capability of characters like Thor and the Hulk in the 100 ton range. Superman's physical strength has been stated as being measured in the quintillions. That's 18 zeros, kids. Even a cosmic being like Galactus (which isn't really a valid comparison, btw, since we were talking about plain old superheroes) doesn't come close to that. And uh...Wolverine? I'm just going to assume that's the fanboy in you talking.

Edit: You're also not factoring in Superman's speed, which is something the writers themselves frequently forget to do. He's barely slower than the Flash, who can break the speed of light. Couple that with his physical strength (which is far greater than any Marvel character's) and his vast array of other powers, and Superman is nigh-untouchable to any Marvel character short of a magic-user like Dr. Strange, or an omega-level mutant with psionic powers like Jean Grey.

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[Shattered_weasel]

On 2007-04-07 23:09, Obscenity wrote:

The only thing he beat you to is being wrong. Granted it's been a few years, so things could have changed since then, but every Marvel Handbook entry I've ever read has put the physical lifting capability of characters like Thor and the Hulk in the 100 ton range. Superman's physical strength has been stated as being measured in the quintillions. That's 18 zeros, kids. Even a cosmic being like Galactus (which isn't really a valid comparison, btw, since we were talking about plain old superheroes) doesn't come close to that. And uh...Wolverine? I'm just going to assume that's the fanboy in you talking.



1. Never go by Marvel handbooks. They will say thing like Punisher's fighting skills being above that of Spider-man's. Especially past ones when they never wanted a set strength level because they wanted to surprise.

2. Thor is a god. He can easily go over 100 tons. And has gone toe to toe with Superman(canonically [he lost but what the hell]) And Hulk has his Deus Ex Machina of when he gets angrier he gets stronger. Making his strength "unlimited"

3. Galactus is more than a god. He is a cosmic being that is needed to make the universe run. To say he can't make Superman his bitch when his Heralds could do it themselves is http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif. But if you don't want to use Galactus because he is a cosmic being let's use Sentry. Someone who has the power of a "million exploding suns" and that is only the good half of him. On top of that he was able to erase the memory of every person of the planet from remembering him and anything he did. That's a pretty nice feat alone.

4. Wolverine. O' Wolverine. The unwritten Omega mutant. One that is able to regrow from only a skeleton (so what if was explained how he did it the next issue). On top of that he has the ability to be in 8 X-men teams at once. If that isn't power among powers I don't know what is.

BTW if you didn't notice I added wolverine on there as a joke.

In my closing statements I say unto you that there is overpowered characters in both universes. That alone though does not make them bad. It always comes out to the writer alone.

Also (just because I can) here is Sentry destroying one of my least favorite characters.
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/5461/sentrycarnagerx9.jpg

[Obscenity]

Thor being able to easily lift more than 100 tons isn't the same as Thor being able to lift quintillions of tons. Not by a long shot. And the thing about Hulk getting stronger the madder he gets doesn't really matter much when he starts so far below Superman's level to begin with. Superman would wipe the Hulk out long before the Hulk got mad enough to match Superman's physical strength.

[Shattered_weasel]

On 2007-04-07 23:43, Obscenity wrote:
Thor being able to easily lift more than 100 tons isn't the same as Thor being able to lift quintillions of tons. Not by a long shot. And the thing about Hulk getting stronger the madder he gets doesn't really matter much when he starts so far below Superman's level to begin with. Superman would wipe the Hulk out long before the Hulk got mad enough to match Superman's physical strength.



The debate is not whether Superman alone could wipe the floor with those two. Both of which I agree on (not exactly wipe the floor with seeing as Thor has Odin on his side and Superman would not be able to OH-KO a monster that regenerates from a cell.) But it is about you saying DC's characters are ranks higher than Marvel's. When neither side has a one above all character. Iron Man might get his ass kicked by Superman but Silver Surfer is going to easily do the same to him. Wonder Woman might be able to rape Luke Cage (juicy) but Dr. Strange is going to send her to where ever he wants. Except for two characters. Lobo and Deadpool. Two characters that cannot die (Lobo was thrown out of both Heaven and Hell. Deadpool was cursed to live forever because of some weird love triangle between Him, The Personification of Death, and Thanos). Now that would be an awesome fight.

[Obscenity]

I really don't think that Silver Surfer would stand a chance against Superman. Like I said before, everyone underestimates Superman's speed, including his own writers. Norrin Radd would never even touch Superman, let alone be able to beat him in a one on one fight. That and Silver Surfer's physical strength is about on par with Thor's or the Hulk's. His power cosmic would also be roughly equivalent to that in terms of damage, and Superman is no weaker against energy than he is to brute force.

[Shattered_weasel]

Silver Surfer travels trans-light + energy manipulation + Cosmic Awareness = Superman's stored up solar radiation now becomes kryptonite radiation. Ouchie Superman.

[Obscenity]

On 2007-04-08 01:44, Shattered_weasel wrote:
Silver Surfer travels trans-light + energy manipulation + Cosmic Awareness = Superman's stored up solar radiation now becomes kryptonite radiation. Ouchie Superman.



Okay, you got me there. =D

Except that Silver Surfer's ability to travel faster than the speed of light isn't the same thing as Superman's superspeed. That just means he can run away faster. He can't take a million piece jigsaw puzzle and assemble it in a tenth of a second, and he can't watch you trying to throw a punch as if time had almost stopped and counter with 800 of his own.

From a pure power standpoint, though, nobody in the Marvel Universe matches up to Superman. Or Captain Marvel or Black Adam or Wonder Woman or Martian Manhunter (who could fight Superman to a standstill or possibly beat him, depending on who's doing the writing, and who may or may not be weak to fire anymore, also depending on who's writing). It's the same across the board when comparing similar characters, because DC's characters all operate on a totally different level (except maybe magic-users, after IC).

[Nani-chan]

I like this topic. I don't know or need to know anything about comic book heroes.

Yet I enjoy reading about your ambition and love for it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Shattered_weasel]

On 2007-04-08 01:55, Obscenity wrote:


Except that Silver Surfer's ability to travel faster than the speed of light isn't the same thing as Superman's superspeed. That just means he can run away faster. He can't take a million piece jigsaw puzzle and assemble it in a tenth of a second, and he can't watch you trying to throw a punch as if time had almost stopped and counter with 800 of his own.



Him and Cable fought at the speed of light(don't actually quote me on the speed of light part). While they were doing this they were causing mass destruction to Cable's island(A whole city pretty much) and at the same time they were rebuilding it.

So that million puzzle jigsaw Superman just completed in a tenth of a second Surfer has been done faster and this all while he is eating a bowl of Cheerios.



From a pure power standpoint, though, nobody in the Marvel Universe matches up to Superman. Or Captain Marvel or Black Adam or Wonder Woman or Martian Manhunter (who could fight Superman to a standstill or possibly beat him, depending on who's doing the writing, and who may or may not be weak to fire anymore, also depending on who's writing). It's the same across the board when comparing similar characters, because DC's characters all operate on a totally different level (except maybe magic-users, after IC).


Now I think you are starting to get it. DC and Marvel are different. But there are no higher tiers than the other in either "realm".

Also I still disagree largely on the pure power standpoint and no one in Marvel matching up to DC's characters.

[Obscenity]

On 2007-04-08 02:15, Shattered_weasel wrote:

Also I still disagree largely on the pure power standpoint and no one in Marvel matching up to DC's characters.



Who in the Marvel Universe has a strength that's been measured in quintillions of tons? As far as I know, the most the Hulk has ever lifted has been 150 billion in Secret Wars, which is a far cry from a quintillion, let alone 200 quintillion, which is what I believe Superman's strength was measured at after he flew into the sun during Our Worlds at War.

[Shattered_weasel]

Sorry, was wrong about light speed. But it alone is a fantastic feat.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2628/cabledeadpool102005streyz9.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpool102005streyz9.jpg)

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9079/cabledeadpoovd4.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cabledeadpoovd4.jpg)

[Shattered_weasel]

On 2007-04-08 02:26, Obscenity wrote:


Who in the Marvel Universe has a strength that's been measured in quintillions of tons? As far as I know, the most the Hulk has ever lifted has been 150 billion in Secret Wars, which is a far cry from a quintillion, let alone 200 quintillion, which is what I believe Superman's strength was measured at after he flew into the sun during Our Worlds at War.



If Sentry's powers are not exaggerated than him.

[Obscenity]

Sentry, AKA another of Marvel's lame attempts at making their own version of Superman (I think the first was Hyperion). It seems to me that they knew that all their heroes were outclassed by DC's, so they were trying to up the ante. He also seems to be the one character Marvel fanboys tend to avoid bringing up when mentioning how overpowered Superman is. Sentry's power level is roughly the equivalent of Superman's, which means that when compared to the rest of Marvel's lineup, he's FAR more overpowered. Superman has equals or near equals in DC. Nobody in Marvel comes close to Sentry, outside of cosmic entities like Eternity or the Living Tribunal or the Celestials or something.

[Shattered_weasel]

On 2007-04-08 02:44, Obscenity wrote:
Sentry, AKA another of Marvel's lame attempts at making their own version of Superman (I think the first was Hyperion).


Yep, Hyperion was the first. At the same time though Sentry is far from lame. They have been able to make it look like a Superman clone on the outside but on the inside he is a completely different character.


It seems to me that they knew that all their heroes were outclassed by DC's, so they were trying to up the ante. He also seems to be the one character Marvel fanboys tend to avoid bringing up when mentioning how overpowered Superman is.

This is one funny assumption you are making. You think that Marvel cares about any superhero that can lift more pounds than another one. BAH! All they care about is money (and hopefully how to make a good story).


Sentry's power level is roughly the equivalent of Superman's, which means that when compared to the rest of Marvel's lineup, he's FAR more overpowered. Superman has equals or near equals in DC. Nobody in Marvel comes close to Sentry, outside of cosmic entities like Eternity or the Living Tribunal or the Celestials or something.



I think it is time for you to think outside the box. You are only comparing someone's strength only. Sentry can be taken down. He has equals. Let's look at Superman's most equal evil. Lex Luther. How much can he lift? Benches maybe 400 at the most. But why is it that someone that is so weak be such a thorn in Superman's side. It's because of Ruthlessness, Cunning and Brain Power. Just because someone can lift more than the other does not mean he automatically overpowers his opponent. It always takes more than that.

[Obscenity]

This is one funny assumption you are making. You think that Marvel cares about any superhero that can lift more pounds than another one. BAH! All they care about is money (and hopefully how to make a good story).

Don't underestimate the factor of oneupmanship when it comes to the rivalry between the big two. When I look at Sentry, all I see is some brainstorming session behind Marvel doors with people saying things like "Let's give him all of Superman's major powers, plus some more, and no known weaknesses, so he'll be better!" and "But let's make him dark and mysterious, so then he'll be better AND different!".


I think it is time for you to think outside the box. You are only comparing someone's strength only. Sentry can be taken down. He has equals. Let's look at Superman's most equal evil. Lex Luther. How much can he lift? Benches maybe 400 at the most. But why is it that someone that is so weak be such a thorn in Superman's side. It's because of Ruthlessness, Cunning and Brain Power. Just because someone can lift more than the other does not mean he automatically overpowers his opponent. It always takes more than that.

20 posts or so back, that's where most of this originated from: who was or wasn't equal to Superman in terms of power. We're comparing apples and apples, not apples and oranges. Sentry outpowers Thor, Hercules and the Hulk in the Marvel Universe, probably all at the same time. He also apparently has the power to make the entire planet forget that he even exists. I've only read the two Sentry limited series and a few Avengers issues, but who on Marvel's Earth could go toe to toe with him?

[AC9breaker]

http://www.apocalypse-tribe.com/ac9breaker/Flash.jpg

[Moo2u]

Obscenity and Weasel are in a FKL CIVIL WAR!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Moo2u/Funny%20pics/civil_war1fkl.jpg

[Daikarin]

On 2007-04-07 01:57, Nani-chan wrote:
Thread needs more desunite.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e191/Mulfer/1143846925353.gif



That post single-handedly manages to stereotype the whole "baka baka"/"neko neko" Anime fanboy/girlish community.

P.S.: ROFLCOPTER.

[Shattered_weasel]

On 2007-04-07 09:53, Obscenity wrote:
If any of the Marvel/DC crossovers were written with any sense of reality in terms of both companies' continuity, they'd be really boring, because all of the DC characters would be wiping the floor with the Marvel characters.)



This is how it started. You saying that DC would wipe the floor with Marvel characters. I then said a few characters that I know could go toe-to-toe with DC and you start talking about who can lift more.

That is not the conversation at hand.

Also I am glad that Flash was never brought up because Flash is beyond most in Marvel. That is something I will admit.

[KojiroAK]

DBZ isn't much better.
I know, there dies people, but what is it good for, if they still show up?
I mean how often Son Goku died actually? eight-, ninethousand times?

But he is still the hero of "Intro, Outtro and preview of the next episode is longer then the episode it self" DBGT.
And the worst of all, people think all Anime have to be/are like DBZ/DBGT.

[AC9breaker]

On 2007-04-08 13:12, Moo2u wrote:
Obscenity and Weasel are in a FKL CIVIL WAR!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Moo2u/Funny%20pics/civil_war1fkl.jpg





Im on Moo2u's side. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[Obscenity]

On 2007-04-08 13:43, Shattered_weasel wrote:

On 2007-04-07 09:53, Obscenity wrote:
If any of the Marvel/DC crossovers were written with any sense of reality in terms of both companies' continuity, they'd be really boring, because all of the DC characters would be wiping the floor with the Marvel characters.)



This is how it started. You saying that DC would wipe the floor with Marvel characters. I then said a few characters that I know could go toe-to-toe with DC and you start talking about who can lift more.

That is not the conversation at hand.

Also I am glad that Flash was never brought up because Flash is beyond most in Marvel. That is something I will admit.



It's true that in general, DC characters would annihilate Marvel. Let's take a look at the Marvel Vs DC crossover from the mid '90s:

Superman vs Hulk: Superman, no question.

Captain America vs Batman: Now here's a good matchup that should be able to go either way. Batman won by fighting dirty, which is what Batman does. That sort of thing is beneath Cap. This is a case where I would probably give the edge to the Marvel character, as Cap has far more experience than Batman. He also probably has the edge in strength, and probably durability, thanks to the Super Soldier Serum. Not to mention a minor regenerative ability, while nowhere near Hulk's or Wolverine's, is still more than Batman has. If nothing else, Batman would get tired first.

Storm vs Wonder Woman: This one's odd, and kind of hard to judge, since their powers are so different in nature, but objectively, I'd really have to go with Wonder Woman. She possesses a near-Superman level of strength, coupled with armed and unarmed fighting ability that rivals Batman's. She also has superspeed and reflexes, while obviously not on par with someone like Superman and Flash, is far faster than anyone with normal speed and reflexes, ie: Storm. Throw in flight, a healing factor, a degree of invulnerability, and superhuman senses, and there's really no way Storm should have won that battle like she did in the crossover. Wonder Woman has shrugged off punches from the Man of Steel himself. What's a few lightning bolts? Keep in mind that all of the battle results were based on fan voting, and there are more Marvel fanboys than DC.

Spider-man vs Superboy: A decent matchup, but Kon-El's tactile telekinesis allowed him to simulate near-Superman levels of strength, flight and invulnerability. He also had superspeed, and could use his tactile TK to easily disassemble any webbing Spider-man tried to wrap him up with. At best, Kon-El's superspeed would merely negate Spider-man's spider sense and reflexes.

Wolverine vs Lobo: This is not a fair fight at all. Lobo beat the crap out of Superman on at least one occasion. Vast superhuman strength and durability, a healing factor that rivals Wolverine's and a leaping ability that rivals the Hulk's. Combined with a genius intellect, mastery of almost every weapon in the known universe and most forms of unarmed combat, and like I said: this isn't a fair fight at all. (Wolverine won in the crossover, though.)

Flash vs Quicksilver: Don't make me laugh.

Robin vs Jubilee: Stupid matchup that was only there for the romance element. I'd give it to Robin, though, who won in the crossover.

Namor vs Aquaman: Another good matchup that, like Batman vs Captain America, could go either way. Similar strength, similar powers. Namor has the advantage of flight and electricity generation (that he rarely uses), though. But Aquaman has the advantage in strength and probably durability. Tough call. I say Namor loses for his green bikini briefs, which are far lamer than any costume Aquaman has ever worn.

Elektra vs Catwoman: I think Elektra outclasses Catwoman here, in terms of fighting ability, which is what it comes down to, since both are powerless.

Thor vs Captain Marvel: Captain Marvel is in Superman's league. Thor is not.

Silver Surfer vs Green Lantern: The power cosmic vs "the most powerful weapon in the universe". This one is hard to gauge, due to the vagueness of both sets of powers and inconsistent writing over the histories of both. I'll give it to Silver Surfer though, if for no other reason than giving the dog a bone.

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[Shattered_weasel]

You do know that all the matches in that crossover were fan voted and is not canon right. JLA/Avengers is canon though. At least in the DC universe.

On top of that the match-ups were retarded. Lobo vs. Wolverine? Storm vs. WW? This was all a popularity contest that made the fake baby Jesus cry.

[Obscenity]

On 2007-04-09 02:55, Obscenity wrote:

Keep in mind that all of the battle results were based on fan voting, and there are more Marvel fanboys than DC.







On 2007-04-09 03:48, Shattered_weasel wrote:
You do know that all the matches in that crossover were fan voted and is not canon right.

[Shattered_weasel]

O' Gawd you put it into the middle of a paragraph I glanced over because I hated that fight with all my being.

But I still stand by my original saying. That fight match-up was horrid. Have WW fight someone like Ms. Marvel (as Binary). Have Nightwing go against Winter Soldier. Have Spider-man vs. Shiva. Taskmaster vs. Cassandra Cain. You can't put Superman against Iron Fist and say DC is stronger. Just like you can't put Thor against Green Arrow and say Marvel is stronger.

[Obscenity]

On 2007-04-09 04:23, Shattered_weasel wrote:
O' Gawd you put it into the middle of a paragraph I glanced over because I hated that fight with all my being.

But I still stand by my original saying. That fight match-up was horrid. Have WW fight someone like Ms. Marvel (as Binary). Have Nightwing go against Winter Soldier. Have Spider-man vs. Shiva. Taskmaster vs. Cassandra Cain. You can't put Superman against Iron Fist and say DC is stronger. Just like you can't put Thor against Green Arrow and say Marvel is stronger.



Some of the matchups were dead on, like Batman and Cap. I actually have no idea who Winter Soldier is, though. Some of the battles I'd like to see are:

Nightwing vs Daredevil
Wonder Woman vs She Hulk
Batman vs Deathstroke
Dr. Fate vs Dr. Strange
The Hulk vs Solomon Grundy
Brainiac vs The High Evolutionary
Apocalypse vs Darkseid
Amazo vs Super Skrull
The Spectre vs Mephisto
Vision vs Red Tornado
Superman vs Sentry
Plastic Man vs Reed Richards (comedy gold waiting to happen)

[PhotonDrop]

On 2007-04-09 05:10, Obscenity wrote:
Some of the matchups were dead on, like Batman and Cap. I actually have no idea who Winter Soldier is, though. Some of the battles I'd like to see are:


Winter Soldier was Cap's trusty side-kick Bucky, thought to have died in the same explosion that people also thought took Cap's life. So Nightwing would be a good match for him because they're ex-sidekicks that established themselves as a seperate identity. WS isn't as agile as Nightwing but it would still be one hell of a fight ;o

Also I noticed you said Apocalypse vs Darkseid... Why Apocalypse? Thanos would be much more appropriate http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif


Adding to the badassery

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/Robo47/PhotonDrop/CapvsBats.jpg

If I recall correctly the Super Soldier Formula had to be removed from Cap's system because it was killing him, any conformation on this?

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[Shattered_weasel]

On 2007-04-09 05:10, Obscenity wrote:

Nightwing vs Daredevil



Daredevil should take this. He is about on par with Nightwing along with his reflexes.



Wonder Woman vs She Hulk


Wonder Woman. But She Hulk had the Hoo Hoo Nanny with Juggernaut so that get's here poitns.



Batman vs Deathstroke


This is a fight that has been done before with I believe a tie and a win for both sides.



Dr. Fate vs Dr. Strange


Dr. Strange should take this because he is a walking Deus Ex Machina.



The Hulk vs Solomon Grundy


This would just last forever and a day.



Brainiac vs The High Evolutionary


High Evolutionary should take it from what I know of him.



Apocalypse vs Darkseid


Battle of the Jobbers. But honestly Darkseid should take this 100%. Every single time.



Amazo vs Super Skrull


JLU Amazo > all.



The Spectre vs Mephisto


Spectre...



Vision vs Red Tornado


Vision...now I am getting lazy.



Superman vs Sentry


Sentry should take this if his powers are not exaggerated.



Plastic Man vs Reed Richards (comedy gold waiting to happen)


If they are given time to plan http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif (I hate saying that). Reed. If not. Plastic Man.

[Obscenity]

On 2007-04-09 17:16, PhotonDrop wrote:

Also I noticed you said Apocalypse vs Darkseid... Why Apocalypse? Thanos would be much more appropriate http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



They kind of already did that once. It was pretty lame, but it's been done.

[ShinMaruku]

On 2007-04-07 15:54, Shattered_weasel wrote:

On 2007-04-07 09:53, Obscenity wrote:

(I'm not mentioning any Marvel superheroes here, because they're several orders below DC's characters in terms of power.



THE IGNORANCE IS SPREADING!

Please. Some of Marvel's characters are several tiers above anything DC has to offer. Some including...

Thor
Iron Man
Ares
Odin
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Phoenix
Iceman
Mr. Immortal
Kid Omega
Mister M
Thanos
Mar-vel
Super Skrull
Drax
Scarlet Witch
Wolverine
Franklin Richards
Hulk

And that is just some.


Using Jean and the Big G is over kill.
A woman thatt won't stay dead and a top tier entity... >_> They make Superman look mild.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3370/superslapdt8.jpg

[Weeaboolits]

On 2007-04-06 23:44, Uncle_bob wrote:
What's the deal? He can't die. Ever. There's no fun in that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif Spiderman and Batman are is far better.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



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[Moo2u]

On 2007-04-10 09:53, Ronin_Cooper wrote:

On 2007-04-06 23:44, Uncle_bob wrote:
What's the deal? He can't die. Ever. There's no fun in that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif Spiderman and Batman are is far better.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Moo2u/Funny%20pics/batman-computer.jpg

[Weeaboolits]

On 2007-04-10 10:16, Moo2u wrote:

On 2007-04-10 09:53, Ronin_Cooper wrote:

On 2007-04-06 23:44, Uncle_bob wrote:
What's the deal? He can't die. Ever. There's no fun in that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif Spiderman and Batman are is far better.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ronin_Cooper on 2007-04-10 09:54 ]</font>


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Moo2u/Funny%20pics/batman-computer.jpg


http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/pwnedbr.png

[DizzyDi]

Superman's pimp hand is way strong.
Snoog D-O-Double G could learn a thing or two from this man-o-steel.

[Tystys]

I'm with Dizzy during the next civil war.

That'd be a fun battle to watch. Bad ass VS Awesome.

[Weeaboolits]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Neo_Teppen.jpg
pwns Super Man.

[ShinMaruku]

On 2007-04-12 00:02, Ronin_Cooper wrote:
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/Neo_Teppen.jpg
pwns Super Man.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/turky_ii/spartaaaaa.jpg
Pwns all.

[Uncle_bob]

Why is this thread still alive? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Moo2u]

Because...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Moo2u/Funny%20pics/jam_300.jpg

[Weeaboolits]

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w8/Ronin_Cooper/neoteppendangerfkl.png

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

On 2007-04-12 19:24, Uncle_bob wrote:
Why is this thread still alive? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif


Posts from other places thing again http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif so let it run its course.

I got one too.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a326/llamalimbo1/sfdfscopy.jpg

[Weeaboolits]

On 2007-04-12 19:24, Uncle_bob wrote:
Why is this thread still alive? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

It found a starman!
http://nindb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/dol/images/cam/gal/gal_sm-23a.jpg



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[Ma_Navu]

Spider-man?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/Raem10/GiantAss-FuckCoffee.png

[Weeaboolits]

On 2007-04-12 23:16, Ma_Navu wrote:
Spider-man?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/Raem10/GiantAss-FuckCoffee.png


http://marvellegends.net/SpiderMan/Individuals/SMCv1-1ManSpider.jpg
Man Spider

[Moo2u]

On 2007-04-12 23:16, Ma_Navu wrote:
Spider-man?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/Raem10/GiantAss-FuckCoffee.png



What a scoop!

[Ma_Navu]

http://jaypinkerton.com/spiderman/03.jpg

http://jaypinkerton.com/spiderman/05.jpg

http://jaypinkerton.com/spiderman/07.jpg

http://jaypinkerton.com/spiderman/12.jpg

http://jaypinkerton.com/spiderman/20.jpg

http://jaypinkerton.com/spiderman/14.jpg

HAVE MORE SPIDERMAN~!

[HAYABUSA-FMW-]

That's too much Bob.

[Ma_Navu]

LAST ONE.

http://jaypinkerton.com/spiderman/01.jpg