will the gc usb adapter let u dupe?

[Disastorm]

according to the main page the gc usb adapter will let u dupe items by copying your character? Is this a fact or just what they think because i remember back in the dreamcast version copying your character worked but then they stopped it and u werent able to go online with a copied character .

[SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko]

Oh it'll work... there's something different about GC PSO than DC PSO that'll make it too easy. =>.<=

[RagMasterRappy]

If it's the same as the DC version, then if the copying device isn't anal about certain file attributes then there's a good chance that simply copying the data will automatically set it up to be wiped when you go online.

[diospadre]

front page of what? i've never heard of this adapter

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[RagMasterRappy]

On 2002-12-10 20:21, diospadre wrote:
front page of what? i've never heard of this adapter

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Of this site. Someone deleted the posts soon after.

[diospadre]

what exactly does it adapt?

[RagMasterRappy]

On 2002-12-10 21:15, diospadre wrote:
what exactly does it adapt?

Basically it lets you copy any data that's saved to a memory card onto your computer and back again to a memory card.

[MalambisBZ]

doesn't matter if the sega servers can stop it, there's still offline multiplayer mode.. *sigh*

[RagMasterRappy]

On 2002-12-10 21:37, MalambisBZ wrote:
doesn't matter if the sega servers can stop it, there's still offline multiplayer mode.. *sigh*


There's still a chance that one of these devices is not effective in completely copying a 1-to-1 representation of the data. In this case, the offline game will work fine, but going online might get items deleted, etc.

[Saladwood]

News like that shouldn't have been posted on the front page.

This belongs in cheaters anyhow.

[BigDaddy]

Yes, the Offline Multi kills everything. Dupelicate a character, load him up to a different memory card, play a Multi game, and then drop all the items to your "real" character. Why would you go online with a dupelicated character to begin with? Unless your old one got corrupted for some reason. The inventory is the thing cheaters want to dupelicate, not the character.

[Vic_Viper]

There's a EASY protection for this ... I hope they implemented it on the system.
Save serialization. If a save in a diferent memory card has the same serialization no (a key probably generated by the server when the player 1st go online) the game denies loading it. Simple as that.
Now the thing is IF SEGA did implement a such protection scheme on GC offline multiplayer.

[BigDaddy]

I highly doubt Sonic Team foresaw any of it...

Again, getting online is moot. You can always do it offline. It's the inventory that is important, not the character.

[Ruby-chan]

Yeah well if anyone buys the darned thing, ya mind telling us if you have any luck transfering snapshots onto your PC and if you have nay trouble getting your computer to read then? (Hey, there are some decent uses for the thing IMHO)

[BigDaddy]

The thing costs about $72 including shipping. It's not worthed IMHO. Most likely cheaters will wait for underground Action Replay codes to release before resorting to this.

Yes, it does have many postive uses. You could theoritically create an infinite number of characters and GC saves with just one memory card. Not too sure on pics though.

[Ruby-chan]

Assuming you buy it from the site that makes it. You can get it from NCSX for only $51.75 including shipping if you get UPS ground...

[BigDaddy]

Yes, you can. But remember that all it does for cheaters is dupe items. That's all it does for them.

The Action Replay will cost exactly the same and will give you much more.

[Wewt]

On 2002-12-12 23:43, BigDaddy wrote:
Yes, you can. But remember that all it does for cheaters is dupe items. That's all it does for them.

The Action Replay will cost exactly the same and will give you much more.


You sure it'll just allow the d0op? I don't think it would. There will be saves files on the user's PC, that the user could modify...



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[BigDaddy]

Given the intelligence capacity of a majority of cheaters, that will not be possible.

[Disastorm]

will action replay work with pso, i recall dreamcasts v2 didnt work with gameshark, only codebreaker

[War_Child]

I had something EXACTLY like this for the Dreamcast.

No, you could not dupe with it - with one exception that is pretty easy to figure out if you think about but I won't mention, that is doable only on GC and multiple memory cards - Sega's servers detected the backup file and reset all my items (to just handgun, barrier, and frame, nothing in bank, 300 meseta) as well as narfing all my mats - making it so I had no used any. I believe this is because my computer added its own time stamp to the file when you save it to your hard drive. GC might not like identical character info as well.

The DC file saves were in a format used only by Interact and one or two other comapnies, and modding by your average person would be extremely difficult to do if possible at all.

It does have ONE positive use for PSO - backing up guild card files (which can be transfered to another card anyway if I remember right).

The item is useful though for other save files if you don't want to buy another memory card, but useless for PSO except for guild card backups.

Using this thing also runs a serious risk of corruption to your memory card - I ran into many problems with it.

[Wewt]

On 2002-12-13 12:43, BigDaddy wrote:
Given the intelligence capacity of a majority of cheaters, that will not be possible.


Which is why there will be simple programs that will be made, to do such tasks for the novice user.

[BigDaddy]

On 2002-12-13 18:46, War_Child wrote:
Sega's servers detected the backup file and reset all my items (to just handgun, barrier, and frame, nothing in bank, 300 meseta) as well as narfing all my mats - making it so I had no used any. I believe this is because my computer added its own time stamp to the file when you save it to your hard drive. GC might not like identical character info as well.

I know of the exact method you are talking about. It's the "Save To Other Memory Card" Code. When you took that character online, everything was reset and other times you couldn't even take that character online at all. However, if you only kept it offline, the character remained a perfect dupelicate of the other. The only way to get the items from that dupelicate character was to... Well, I won't post it of course, however, the "mailing to yourself method" from what I understand was patched up already on the DC, so even if I did post it it wouldn't matter, but just to be safe I won't. But basically, I know what code you are talking about. On the GC version, this is simplified because you won't ever have to take that dupelicate character online ever. All you have to do is go play Offline Multi and just drop that dupelicated character's inventory and pick it up with your main character. This isn't even a cheat method, it's just common sense.

In addition, all the USB Adapter does is extract the GC files and save it on the PC. It never changes its format. There is absolutely no risk of corruption using this method.


On 2002-12-13 18:56, WWWWWWWWWWWW wrote:
Which is why there will be simple programs that will be made, to do such tasks for the novice user.

WWWWWWWWWWWW, the more points you bring up, the more I agree with you. I remember Mags were quite complicated to mod because of its many variety of attributes, lots of hex to deal with. So all cheaters did was release a DOS program wherein you input the exact things you wanted your Mag to be and the exact codes needed to be inputted would show up after.

There is a big benefit to something like that aside from just the hacking, someone could theoritically release a program on the PC that could convert your JP ver1.0 characters into U.S. characters, assuming you have the EMS USB Adapter. Something I deperately need seeing as that Sonic Team is idiotically not selling the ver1.1 discs.







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