will we ever be able to buy S ranks?

[SStrikerR]

will we ever be able to buy S rank weps?

this is just an afterthought, anyone think tero/hp restore or safety heart will come out? tell me your thoughts bout both, (same answers)

[Ithildin]

of course! eventually! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[DonRoyale]

It would certainly save the PC/PS2 servers from impending doom.

[natewifi]

It seems like there would be no point in them being rare, because well... they wouldnt be rare."Im just gonna casually go to the shop, buy a few Gizaha-zashi's and some Psycho Wands, you know, the usual" that doesnt sound very fun, but then again searching 8 hours to find a black heart isnt too fun either.

It should be like in certain areas, where you have to do very VERY difficult stuff to get to that item, like obstacles, and puzzles and stuff to get rare items, instead of just constantly starting the mission over to get a rare map.

That's where I think character fatigue should come into play, and stamina is what would determine how long your character can last without having to take a break or w/e which would make it difficult to get through the ostacles, and have the old way of resistance towards elements and make stamina what I sed above.

Im not saying bring everything back and all that, please nobody take that the wrong way, imo it seemed way more easier to figure your stat resistance rather than having one big stat based on resistance.



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[Zorafim]

I really hope S ranks won't be buyable. If it would be, then what would the definition of "rare" be?

[Golto]

Where else could you get the kubara board versions of non-kubara melee and force 10-12* weapons? 10-12* ranged weapons can have kubara wood substituted already.

[DonRoyale]

I think it might happen later, when more S-ranks come out.

That way, the basic, crappy S-ranks will be buyable and we'll actually have to hunt the good ones. =)

[HandOfThornz]

i hope just like pso they wont sell rares(s ranks) in npc shops... but i bet one day 10*'s will be for sale.. i doubt they will sell higher than that?
i hope they just stop at selling 10* [B]'s only instead of the actual weps, even this changes the meaning of rares though =(

[Garanz-Baranz]

Why not just make S-grade Synth Mats buyable...

[Mayu]

>< I rather not have them sell S ranks :_:


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[natewifi]

I was just using that for an example.

[Umberger]

The only thing I can think of that would make it kinda acceptable is if they only sold 10* boards, and they were ridiculously priced...like more than 1 million meseta or something. Even that seems kinda...iffy.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

S-ranks will never be for sale, that would make no sense.

I'm sure we'll eventually get both Te / HP Restore and Safety Heart, but neither will probably be in the shop.

[Allison_W]

I want my Te / PP Restore. That was my favourite unit in offline mode. :3

[majan]

On 2007-04-29 16:32, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
S-ranks will never be for sale, that would make no sense.

I'm sure we'll eventually get both Te / HP Restore and Safety Heart, but neither will probably be in the shop.




this is sonic team.do not underestimate their ability to NOT make sense.

to me,I dont see it happening,because all of the A ranks aretn evne in the shop and in the q/a thread about AoI they made it seem to be a fairly big deal that 9*'s were finally going in the shop, so I wouldnt count on 10+'s being in there anytime in the tangibly distant future,or at all.besides,theyre quite a bit different than the otehr weapons A rank and lower in that theyre quite a bit stronger,and are supposed to be the rarest weapons available,the cream of the crop.now,factor in the fact that s rank boards only have 1 production capacity,and youd be spending upwards of like 300k ish for a 10 star synth board while you can go ahead and buy a 9 star item in the NPC for roughly the same price,though,we already see that with 9 star boards and 8 star weapons btoh being 165k.http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

in the meantime,I will not stay tuned for rumors,becuase all they do is spawn ridiculous lies to noobs like this one jackass I was talking to while doing lab recovery once who was preaching about how in the expansion whips would be fighgunner only,and that fighgunners would be getting A rank axes,fortefighteres getting A rank doublesabers,etc. similar to the toolbox that I ran out to eastern peril with the nite before the update who told me that s2 eastern peril gave 25k reward.

my advice...is just to not listen to people.wait till offficial info is released,but my guess is no,and I wont sit here and back it up with false info and bullshit like others may do.http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pizza.gif

[Sinue_v2]

Eh, they might end up selling the low-end stuff later on after AoI is released.

Wasn't it v.2 for the Dreamcast that they started selling Durundals and Varistas and such in the shops?

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-04-29 17:01, Sinue_v2 wrote:
Wasn't it v.2 for the Dreamcast that they started selling Durundals and Varistas and such in the shops?

If they did, that was quickly removed by the next iteration of the game.

As a general rule of thumb, anything that would be in a red box won't be sold in the store. Of course, synth materials violate this but whatever ok god.

[Sinue_v2]

It was, but partly also because 9*'s in PSO Ep I & II were given unique textures and models. In v.1 & 2 they just looked like standard 1-8* weapons, and there were no such things as red boxes back then.

[Thrash777]

If they were in the shops, there would be no "rare" stuff to hunt for.
The whole point behind S ranks, is that they can't be bought, making them rare and powerful, otherwise it's just a case of who has the most money...

[Hucast-Kireek]

I just want S rank weps to drop like in PSO, I hate making them.

[Golto]

So you guys actually think all 10-15* weapons and armors will be drop only forever?

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-04-29 20:40, Golto wrote:
So you guys actually think all 10-15* weapons and armors will be drop only forever?

In the final versions of PSO, every rare weapon, armor, unit, etc. was drop only, so, uh, yeah.


EDIT: Of course, there were certain things from quests or item-exchange stuff, but they were mostly pretty worthless novelty rares.

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[Sinue_v2]

Of course, there were certain things from quests or item-exchange stuff, but they were mostly pretty worthless novelty rares.

Eh, not really. They weren't MKB or TJ level rares - but some of the v.2 quests gave out nice items - like Heart of Poumn in Rappy Holiday (which they didn't change), The Nei Claw and Egg Blaster in TTF, God Hand, Technical Crozier, and Suppressed Gun in Soul of a Blacksmith. Ect. Those all came along for the ride in Ep I & II... but Ep I & II also never got the badge hunts in Endless Nightmare and Mop-Up missions, which if I recall you could get some VERY nice items for quantities of high level badges (which were hard to come by since you had to trade multiple lower level badges for a single higher level badge).

I'll see if I can find a badge guide here on PSOworld....

... k, didn't see the badge, but got an excerpt from a TTF reward faq for v.2.


Dreamcast & PC version
Simulation Prizes
The total number of enemies in this quest is 197. The no. of kills, deaths and the time taken to clear the quest determines your rank.There are five different ranks you can earn from least to greatest; C, B, A, S, and SS. On earning S and SS rank, you are awarded certain prizes, see below on how to accomplish this There are 2 ways to get SS rank. 1st condition/SS#1: Kill a maximum 197 monsters, 0 deaths within 60 mins. 2nd condition/SS#2: Kill a minimum of 19 monsters, 0 deaths within 60 mins

Ultimate Mode
1. Plantain Fan (Rank A, S, and SS, Force Only)
2. Drill Launcher (Rank A, S, and SS, Robot Only)
3. Flight Fan (Rank A, S, and SS, All females except for FOnewearl)
4. Maser Beam (Rank A,S, and SS, Male Ranger Only)
5. Yamigarasu (Rank SS #1, Hunter and Rangers)
6. Plantain Huge Fan (Rank SS #1, All except androids!)
7. Ano Rifle (Rank SS #2, Ranger Only)
8. Blue Ring (Rank SS #2, All Classes)

Just as an example of earnable rares in quests that aren't totally useless.

Oh, and edit again... the items you could get from the badges were Panzer Tail, Wok of Akiko's Shop, and the Broom.

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[Ffuzzy-Logik]

All the rares you just mentioned are one's I'd consider "pretty worthless novelty rares."

[Sinue_v2]

Eh, our opinions differ a lot then. To me, Novelty rares were the ones that were just for show. Ep I & II's Toy Hammer, Amoure Rose, Game Magazine, ect.

If it's useful in combat, it's a good weapon. Many of those weapons listed above were useful in combat. Expecially the v.2 weapons, since v.1 weapons could barely scratch Ultimate enemies.

You don't need the "top of the line" rares to handle combat in PSO, and those weapons were generally more than sufficent to get the job done. Srank Spread, BKB, TJS, DF, ect were just overkill and e-peen strokers as I see it.

So in the sence, is Sonic Team going to give away the top teir upper echelon of rares in PSU durring quests? Doubtful. They could likely give away some very good, and useful rare weapons tho.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Well, you're going by v2 stats, and pretty much everything got a major stat rebalance after v2, so yeah.

[Ravennittes]

On 2007-04-29 18:04, Thrash777 wrote:
If they were in the shops, there would be no "rare" stuff to hunt for.
The whole point behind S ranks, is that they can't be bought, making them rare and powerful, otherwise it's just a case of who has the most money...



S's will be out for sale (at lest the boards). Did you forget about the S2's (13-15)?

[Kimil]

Nope, never

[Soukosa]

If the AoI beta's any indication, there will be some rares that aren't drop only but rather obtainable in other ways. The casino had some nice rares in its prize selection, including an S rank tenora armor and S rank kubara grenade launcher (neither of which exist in the game ATM).

[Chris28]

this would be a horrible idea if they were to sell S-Ranks.

I couldn't even imagine buying 10-12 star items in the old PSO. The game would've been horrible if they did that.

[Ravennittes]

On 2007-04-30 02:54, Sinow wrote:
this would be a horrible idea if they were to sell S-Ranks.

I couldn't even imagine buying 10-12 star items in the old PSO. The game would've been horrible if they did that.



And you couldn't just make stuff out of thin air back then either if you wanted, and trade them around cheaply 'cause there wasn't too much money. No, not at all.

[SStrikerR]

2 things

1-i hope that sega makes The weapons drop and NOT the boards, rares anyway, even if you find a board, odds are against you that you'll actually end up with it.
2-they better put at least safety heart in storez.

[XenithFlare]

It really annoys me that we have to do all this work just to find the boards. I mean, sure; if you want an elemental %, but some S-ranks don't have the option. I think that one-elem S-ranks should drop weapon-only, with a set %, and the ones that can have a custom elem should have a higher synth rate.

Cause, God, synthing hates me in this game. It just sucks XD

[Eleina]

Why would ST be THAT generous it would be nice if they let some drop already

[McLaughlin]

Sinue, those may have been there in V2, but MANY of them were either removed (everything in the Akiko's Wok side quest except the Wok, and all the TTF rewards except the Purple Ring) and others were toned down (all the SoaB rewards). Being removed or rebalanced in Ep. I&II shows that it was a bad idea to hand people good gear on a silver platter.

I sincerely doubt, and hope, that S Ranks are never released in the shops. Meseta buyers like ZtNoLuck and HULK will have everything under the sun, when they clearly don't deserve it.

[amtalx]

I do agree that synthing sucks, but for the people that are complaining about it, you do know that weapons boards AND the weapons itself drop right? Due to limitations in creature levels, it may not be possible to find the weapon yet but it will be eventually.

[Rashiid]

i think company ones [Tenora/GRM/Yohmei] ones should, but Kubara, find-only.

also, the success rate should drop big-time on them (store bought)
and uber expansive

[Akaimizu]

I'm a little less worried about S-rank weapons. The units are far worse in trying to get those to show up. The only good thing is that you don't synth for units. Oddly enough, I don't think that makes the units any less rare than the Weapons. Either way, it does make some nearly 100% inaccessible for people with less than 40hrs of playtime a week. Of course, if it does land in a store, it'll probably sell for less than 8 million. PSO's rares hardly felt like rares, though. Not even because of duping, actually. More or less because it just seemed that the Rares they had happened more often than the rares in this game. Yes, they were still rares, but they weren't as rare in the time needed to get department.



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[Tigerram]

Indeed we will, it's just a matter of time.

I agree with anyone that said S and S2 ranked weps should be find only. I would be surprised if I saw a 10* weapon or more in any shop. I also agree we should be able to hunt for the weapons, and not the boards, since that would suck royally, but I have a feeling it wouldn't work that way. I do think the boards should be sold in shops, since synthesizing at a high rate even can fail http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif But whatever Sega does, regardless, I'm still gonna be satisfied with whatever they choose to do with S-Ranks.

[Sinue_v2]

Sinue, those may have been there in V2, but MANY of them were either removed (everything in the Akiko's Wok side quest except the Wok, and all the TTF rewards except the Purple Ring) and others were toned down (all the SoaB rewards). Being removed or rebalanced in Ep. I&II shows that it was a bad idea to hand people good gear on a silver platter.

But the point being, is that there IS precidence of Sega doing that - and some of the items they didn't tone down and still made the transfer - such as the Heart of Poumn you could get from Rappy Holiday. Looking for % is the only reason there was to even hunt it.


Meseta buyers like ZtNoLuck and HULK will have everything under the sun, when they clearly don't deserve it.

Why wouldn't they deserve it? Because they didn't find and synth the stuff themselves? Big deal - they payed real money to get those items. Are they retarded? Sure... but they still payed out of their own pocket and still sacrificed (cash instead of time) for it.

[Akaimizu]

Well, I wouldn't exactly put much stock in it. That, alone, is a rather big can of worms most of us wont touch. The whole issue of in-game money buying is an issue that's been argued for a rather long time, and most companies really look down upon it. (Rare exception are online games made with the specific intended aspect of buying in-game stuff with real money)

[Rashiid]

i dont think the deserve the praise.

but, no one really cares, since they know that they dont find/make them themselves, just buy.

[Akaimizu]

As long as they don't upset the economy to the point in which it basically takes stuff completely out of the hands of legit players, people don't care. But if it does, then noses are thumbed at them.



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[Kaydin]

I really hope they don't ever put S ranks in the shops.

That defeats the entire purpose of rare items.

[Rashiid]

i do, alteast once up to like 12*s, so i can go around seeing allot of cool/different weapons.

[VanHalen]

Of course they will be sold! In player shops that is >.> http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Kaydin]

On 2007-04-30 15:50, VanHalen wrote:
Of course they will be sold! In player shops that is >.> http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gifFor ridiculous prices. >.>;

[Eleina]

On 2007-04-30 15:51, Kaydin wrote:

On 2007-04-30 15:50, VanHalen wrote:
Of course they will be sold! In player shops that is >.> http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gifFor ridiculous prices. >.>;



Only for 99 mil on our pc/ps2 servers

[VanHalen]

On 2007-04-30 15:51, Kaydin wrote:

On 2007-04-30 15:50, VanHalen wrote:
Of course they will be sold! In player shops that is >.> http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gifFor ridiculous prices. >.>;



Yeah. Awhile back I saw a Halarod board being sold in a shop for 55mil.

[omegapirate2k]

I say they should sell S ranks, but only 10*

[Rashiid]

On 2007-04-30 15:52, Eleina wrote:

On 2007-04-30 15:51, Kaydin wrote:

On 2007-04-30 15:50, VanHalen wrote:
Of course they will be sold! In player shops that is >.> http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gifFor ridiculous prices. >.>;



Only for 99 mil on our pc/ps2 servers



lmao.

thats 'display' for us.

lmao it would be so funny, if ST randomly merged the servers, and ppl like ZtNoluck and Hulk had all their stuff taken....

oh tha dayy....

[Dj_SkyEpic]

Things are too easy with money. I would rather SEGA sell S ranks purchasable only with frags or something else hard to get rather than meseta itself.

[Jife_Jifremok]

I'd imagine the lower end S-ranks would be made available loooooong after some much stronger, more desirable ones are made available to hunt.

But I still say, the leet items shouldn't be rare and thus only obtainable by people with lots of free time (to devote to hunting) and the extremely fortunate.

Instead, leet items should be earned through some kind of special missions or conditions. Being handed something by luck just isn't the same as something awarded to you for doing something badass.

And to those of you who use the argument "We shouldn't sell it in stores, that's why it's called rare!"...just curious, what do you think of kerselines? They're considered "rare"...