Quick Ulti Fan PA question

[VPLoki]

Does it have better atp/ata % than normal fan bullets. Cause if so, that would be a great weapon for WT. I realize that they can already heal, yes, and that there is no SE, but truely im looking at this from a DPS perspective for a newm that can cause killer SE with Techniques. So, is the damage and hit rate better?

[Soukosa]

At lv 10, it has this:
130% Attack
54% Accuarcy

Roughly the same attack mod as the other BAs but less accuracy. At least in AoI, you'd get lv 20 BAs and the HP drain will be alot better.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I've also been thinking about this since were on the subject of this Bullet art, would it be useful for Acrofighters? You know, the one class that can use cards but can't use resta?

[VPLoki]

Ok, so its not really worth it, ty. Hm acrofight, they can use fans? this is a little off topic, but what are the best acro fighter classes? cast?

[Tsavo]

Humans and possibly Newms are best from what I understand. Haven't played the beta though so don't take my word for it.

[Soukosa]

With the buff that the HP drain ability gets, yeah this PA would probably be rather awesome on an aF, especially since they excel with single handed melee weapons.

For the best race for it, arguably humans and newmans are the best due to the classes use of high EVP but really any race could probably do well with it but we won't know til we have plenty of time to mess with it. Stat wise though, human stands out as the best.

[Pillan]

The class may have high EVP (the highest in the game), but it's also primarily a melee class with some ranged and, more importantly, no technique usage. We already know how much hunters hate EVP, so I won't even go there. Yes human would fill up the entire stat distribution nicely (and they get a bonus), but Cast or Beast would fill the more important stats: HP, ATP, DFP, and reduced EVP. And, with about the same ATA as FG, even a Beast wouldn't have trouble using cards.

It's really like arguing human and Newman make better Fighgunners. Yes they have more EVP and MST (and they both get a bonus), but does anyone care?

And, yeah, you don't need to mess with a class to know who's good with it. Just look at the stats, the PA limits, and the weapon selection, and you can tell. I agree that anyone will be good as AF, but I'll go ahead and say now that Cast will be the most preferred class since they reduce the EVP and fill all the other stats very well. (Cast MST is never a huge issue since all the armors double or triple it, depending on the class and brand, and all the low MST classes have higher HP. Not to mention AF already has MST that rivals WT.)

I'll also go ahead and say that most people will drop AF after a couple weeks and return to FG, fF, or WT just because most people hate 1 hand melee and would prefer a wide weapon selection on a class with worse stats and less S ranks.


Getting back on topic... Even without a buff, the ult fan PA still shoots HP drain 3 x 3 at 21+, so it will be useful on AF. With the buff it jumps from useful to godly. You'll definitely see my AF Caseal using it.

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[Shiro_Ryuu]

Uh, Male Human AF has more atp than Caseal AF just so you know. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
It'll be great that AF gets lv 30 bullets and get that 3rd shot from the Kikami. I'm sure that Sega had Acrofighter in mind when they made this bullet art, it was practically made for them.

[Pillan]

Looking at PSUpedia’s gathered stat page, male human at level 100 has 673 ATP and Caseal has 703. Human male would clearly have more ATP at low levels if their ATP bonus was more than 5% (but even Beast fF only gets a 4% ATP bonus and I highly doubt AF would get more than that), so I seriously doubt that will remain true in the final version. And, even if it does, Caseal will clearly have an ATP advantage once you gain a few expert class levels and character levels (at level 80 and class level 10, the bonuses already become almost negligible).

You saw the same issue with Newman GTs having more ATA than Casts around level 50 and GT 1, but now Casts clearly has a bit more.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

You know what? If you wanna talk about that, go here. This is a Ult Fan PA thread and I only brought up AF to talk about it finally being useful for a class. And your avatar does speak volumes of your opinion [but at the same time, so does mine http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif]
http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=141456&forum=22&start=0&0

[Umberger]

On 2007-05-03 11:16, Shiroryuu wrote:
Uh, Male Human AF has more atp than Caseal AF just so you know. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
It'll be great that AF gets lv 30 bullets and get that 3rd shot from the Kikami.



Just a quick note, level 30 (well...21-30) Card bullets have 4 shots, not 3. ;x

[Shiro_Ryuu]

O really? Well, thats just awesome then. Sorry, I odn't have a Guntecher or fortetecher that lved cards to 21 for me to find out. ._.

[Pillan]

Actually cards only have 3 shots at 21+. They only gain a third shot at 11. At 21, they just gain an extra 5% ATP and an additional element bonus.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

Quite a shame that its green, would have loved it to be white or something, green is ugly.

[Pillan]

On 2007-05-03 13:29, Shiroryuu wrote:
Quite a shame that its green, would have loved it to be white or something, green is ugly.



To be honest, that killed that ult PA for me too. I don't mind green so much on other guns, but looking at a huge green fan all the time does bug me...

But I guess I can sacrifice style for usefulness this time...

[LTrav2k]

Hey VP Loki, I'm a WT also and heavily leaning towards getting the ultimate card PA for the expansion. At level 11+ we'll get an extra bullet and so we'll have 3 shots which heal us for 10% (using stats off PSU Pedia for the drain) of what each bullet deals. I think that's quite a decent amount, especially when you're in a situation where you're only worried about healing yourself.

It's also a nice alternative to Megiverse since the field takes a second or two before it starts draining the monsters in it.

[Pillan]

I really wouldn't recommend that. Even if you could do 300 per shot, you would only drain 90 HP at the cost of 32 PP. For an extra 8 PP, you could just cast Resta once and refill at least half your and the party's HP. HP drain needs a huge boost to be useful to anyone who can use techs.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

Even if Leech did get better, like it is in AoI, I still think that it will be best in the hands of one who CAN'T use techs. Hence why I said that Acrofighter would benefit the most from this Bullet.