Is Hishou Jinren-zan (yo-yo dagger) move good?

[Cheeseguy1]

I have 50 pa's and i want that pa^^ i was wondering if some1 could tell me if it was any good and if not what i should get. I am a fF so not tornado dance.

THX

P.S i know it 75 pa's

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[PALRAPPYS]

It's ok... not the best.

My main complaint is that it knocks enemies away from you in each part. It's not too great to use on small monsters at all nice it knocks them up and away, so you can't get the 2nd and 3rd parts of the combo on the enemies.

Well, it's ok, guess it's basically for looks. I deleted my character with it last night... well, not the best move ever, but it's fine.

[Micro]

Good for keeping mobs off their feet, has a "juggling" effect.

[Cz]

its very good on big enemies with multiple parts to hit. It also does good damage and fun to use...http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif I say go for it.

[Cheeseguy1]

THX every1 so far im leaning twords getting it, looks are the best pat to^_^

[Kimil]

I have all 3 twin Dagger PAs, and this one... It is great, but only against large enemies. It work the very best on Jarbas http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif It doesn't knock Jarbas back, but continuously staggers them so they can't get you.

[Kiku]

Only drawback about it, the Accuracy doesnt go up, stays at 76 forever.


I prefer The spinning one, alot faster and better imo.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-05-06 19:33, Kimil wrote:
I have all 3 twin Dagger PAs, and this one... It is great, but only against large enemies. It work the very best on Jarbas http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif It doesn't knock Jarbas back, but continuously staggers them so they can't get you.

lol at meleeing jarbas

[Kaydin]

On 2007-05-06 19:59, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:

On 2007-05-06 19:33, Kimil wrote:
I have all 3 twin Dagger PAs, and this one... It is great, but only against large enemies. It work the very best on Jarbas http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif It doesn't knock Jarbas back, but continuously staggers them so they can't get you.lol at meleeing jarbasThe point isn't damage. The point is that it causes the Jarbas to constantly stagger so they can't attack.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Still better off shooting it, even with a handgun.

[Kimil]

On 2007-05-06 20:00, Kaydin wrote:

On 2007-05-06 19:59, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:

On 2007-05-06 19:33, Kimil wrote:
I have all 3 twin Dagger PAs, and this one... It is great, but only against large enemies. It work the very best on Jarbas http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif It doesn't knock Jarbas back, but continuously staggers them so they can't get you.lol at meleeing jarbasThe point isn't damage. The point is that it causes the Jarbas to constantly stagger so they can't attack.



Kaydin and I, same brainwave http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Kaydin]

On 2007-05-06 20:18, Kimil wrote:
Kaydin and I, same brainwave http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gifNaturally. I love doing that. XD Can't wait for AoI for the last attack. n_n

Yo-Yo Daggers does more damage than a puny handgun anyways. Hit 'em in the back and you can't miss. Stagger-lock them so that everyone else can shoot 'em without dodging Megid. ;D

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Because dodging Megid is so hard. >_>

[-Shimarisu-]

It looks stupid, therefore no.

In fact all the ultimate hunter PAs look pretty damn fucking stupid and also do nothing that regular PAs cannot do, and is the reason why all the ult PAs I have bougt are ranger and force ones.

[Sekani]

On 2007-05-06 20:16, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
Still better off shooting it, even with a handgun.


LAWL if you actually believe that. Jarbas are one of the easiest enemies to melee because they're so slow. If you stay behind them you can spam PAs all day with no fear of retaliation.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Or you can strafe and shoot them with a handgun and actually kill them faster.

[Sekani]

Twin handguns, maybe. Single? Bullshit.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Yeah...

Well, anyway, Rising Crush is just as good for stun-locking big things (which is more useful on Bils than Jarbas, but whatever).

[Jakosifer]

I prefer Moubu over it but I still love Hishou to death, my main use for it is against faster enemies and larger enemies like Bil De Vears and such. Excellent move, strongest of the twin dag skills and hits alot. My only gripe with it is as mentioned above, how it knocks smaller enemies out of reach by the last two parts of the combo.

[Eleina]

Even if it got nerfed i still prefer renkai >_>
Ok its good for large enemys but in that case you can use other weapons

[Shiryuu]

On 2007-05-06 20:43, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
Because dodging Megid is so hard. >_>


Exactly why you should just melee it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Eleina]

On 2007-05-07 05:55, Shiryuu wrote:

On 2007-05-06 20:43, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
Because dodging Megid is so hard. >_>


Exactly why you should just melee it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif



Dodging megid ain't that hard with twin handguns....heck even with a rifle it's easy coz you can see it coming...
But that dambarta is harder to dodge if your playing melee and the jarba gets the occasion to cast it...

[Shiryuu]

That's why you stay behind it.

[Hrith]

It's one of the best melee PAs in the game so far, I don't see many skills as powerful, useful and efficient as Hishou Jinren-zan, there simply may not be any.

[Sylpheed]

I use Renkai more then Hishou just because it has a bigger AoE where as hishou is really only good for minibosses/big monsters.

[Dragwind]

*sigh* Jarbas are just not hard at all. Period. As it's been said, Megid is hella easy to dodge. If you can't dodge it, you're just lazy. Hishou works great against them due to decent damage and flinch effect. It's effective on bigger enemies for the same reason, period. As previously said, its not very effective against single enemies unless you just want to get them out of your face with the first attack. It also saddens me to hear that people don't use it as a form of mob control. If you're a fF and you're in the middle of a mob, unleash the full combo while rotating and you'll find yourself walking away easy with a smile on your face. Keep that mob control idea in mind.

[drizzle]

20 PP cost = fail

It's ok but not really that good. I find its range lacking also.

[ZeroVer01]

On 2007-05-07 14:31, drizzle wrote:
20 PP cost = fail

It's ok but not really that good. I find its range lacking also.






Fortefighter solves this problem, and if you can get your hands on a Giga Skill/PP Save, then it really doesn't matter.

That or, just use photon charges, they are there for a reason.

[gambit04]

I think it's ok...I would only use it on certain bosses and almost never on mobs maybe the bigger monsters but I just stick with the first PA it's better for me being a best more damage faster equals quicker beast.

[ashley50]

I have no complains about this PA...it is fairly good for large enemies since they won't "fly" much. Best used on cornered enemies which is teh time to use teh full combo (if you already got it).

[SolomonGrundy]

On 2007-05-07 14:19, DRAGOUSCHRIS wrote:
*sigh* Jarbas are just not hard at all. Period. As it's been said, Megid is hella easy to dodge. If you can't dodge it, you're just lazy. Hishou works great against them due to decent damage and flinch effect. It's effective on bigger enemies for the same reason, period. As previously said, its not very effective against single enemies unless you just want to get them out of your face with the first attack. It also saddens me to hear that people don't use it as a form of mob control. If you're a fF and you're in the middle of a mob, unleash the full combo while rotating and you'll find yourself walking away easy with a smile on your face. Keep that mob control idea in mind.



my mob control is a fire/ice/earth sword + tornado dance spam. Ever seen the damage on a decent % sword. There is a us tube video of a guy hitting for 1000 on a non critical. 1000. 1500 on crits. yum.

[natewifi]

On 2007-05-06 20:23, Kaydin wrote:

On 2007-05-06 20:18, Kimil wrote:
Kaydin and I, same brainwave http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gifNaturally. I love doing that. XD Can't wait for AoI for the last attack. n_n

Yo-Yo Daggers does more damage than a puny handgun anyways. Hit 'em in the back and you can't miss. Stagger-lock them so that everyone else can shoot 'em without dodging Megid. ;D

Woah wait a second, are you saying there is gonig to be another part of this PA? or are you saying there is only going to be one more additional PA for each weapon, as the new PA's of AoI and thats it?!

[Cheeseguy1]

Lookin like a yes so far ^_^ 15/3/1, an the one who hates it hates all ult. pa's so i think it will be my first ult. pa

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

I think no one has voted for poll option 3 because they have no idea what "diffornt" means.

[Kimil]

On 2007-05-07 19:13, natewifi wrote:

On 2007-05-06 20:23, Kaydin wrote:

On 2007-05-06 20:18, Kimil wrote:
Kaydin and I, same brainwave http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gifNaturally. I love doing that. XD Can't wait for AoI for the last attack. n_n

Yo-Yo Daggers does more damage than a puny handgun anyways. Hit 'em in the back and you can't miss. Stagger-lock them so that everyone else can shoot 'em without dodging Megid. ;D

Woah wait a second, are you saying there is gonig to be another part of this PA? or are you saying there is only going to be one more additional PA for each weapon, as the new PA's of AoI and thats it?!



We are Wartechers ( I'm assuming lol ). So We can't use the 3rd part until AoI.

[Eleina]

On 2007-05-08 21:04, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
I think no one has voted for poll option 3 because they have no idea what "diffornt" means.



I voted it assuming he meant "different" lol Renkai ftw