Anyone here think Fortefighter needs Double Sabers?

[Garanz-Baranz]

I mean, come on... we are FORTEfighters, close ranged masters...

I'll accept the fact that Fighgunners get slicers, and Shadoogs, but... GIVE US FORTEFIGHTERS A DOUBLE SABER!!!

>.>;; No weapon other than double Saber and Rods are restricted to a class... but Rods are on the Forte class of Force... But then, Double Sabers are on a non-forte class... don't you think that's bad?

I have only used Fighgunner AS a fortefighter would, and Double Sabers could be easyly useful with Axes... All I want is A-grade double sabers... >.> then we CAN be FORTEfighters. o.o;

So, anyone agree?

Edit--- Dangnit... mess-up the poll... sorry... don't use it... unless you want to. x.x

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[VanHalen]

As a fortefighter I say, nah.

but though it was a mistake in the poll I find it funny still http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

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[Zorafim]

Why would knights use bo-staves?

[Rashiid]

lmao only 1 option, and nothin.

[Parn]

Fortefighter is a brute force type fighter. Their S rank lineup reflects that. You think I got my hot body by twirling around a glowing Q-tip? Ha!

[-Shimarisu-]

No, for no reason other than the whining it causes is hilarious.



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[Eleina]

No they don't (we could also start a topic called "should fighgunners get axes" >>...stupid thoughts really)

[Chaobo99]

umm..stop complaining about what weps types should be there.I do understand the whole FORTEfighter thing but I think they're more of a brutish damage monsters that has a great combo with the elegeant crowd-controlling fighgunners. Fighs(if you notice the S weapon alignment) are built for speed.

[VanHalen]

*strokes chin* Though we do need at least lvl 1 techs. So I can spam foie all day!

[Skuda]

fortefighters are too good to use double sabers ;3

[Sychosis]

On 2007-05-18 16:01, Skuda wrote:
fortefighters are too good to use double sabers ;3

[Parn]

I hear those double sabers are pretty good at getting the wax out of your ears. Not only do you prevent potato farms from sprouting in there, but it doubles up as a baton when you want to march in a parade! HAHA I SAID DOUBLES UP AND I'M TALKING ABOUT DOUBLE SABERS GET IT

[DemonCloak]

Lame weapons deserve to stay in lame classes, leave it the way it is.

[Garanz-Baranz]

>.>

geez...

Why not? It's not like we get S-grade ones...

And to whome mentioned speed, We get S-grade Claws, Fist, and single Claws... those are Fast weapons... T.T so a Fortefighter can be, atleast, allowed to use A-grade Double Sabers...

And here's another thing, Double Saber can ONLY be used by the Fighgunner... A class that doesn't even have Forte in a Melee area... Where as the Axe, the Fortefighters popular weapon, can be used by a dang Protranser... which can't use any 'fast' weapons verses the Spear and Fist...

It's only a simple change to even out the populus of the Fighgunner vs Fortefighter...

[Kion]

I have to agree. all other weapons (aside from rods) are availible across multiple classes. (Techs are still availible via wands) Fighgunner being the sole access to doublesaber cuts down weapons choices who wants to use the weapon. They are forced to have half gunner equipment when that may not be their preference. I wouldn't mind wartecher of forte fighter having acess to them.

Pray for AoI, i guess?

[-Shimarisu-]

I wouldn't mind if they got the double sabers, I just think it is absolutely hilarious that they do not, and how it forces them to play a class they don't really want to play, in a half assed way just for one weapon.

Because most of the double saber fans are weepy eyed PSO saddoes. Forcing them all into one class is ST's idea of a joke, I guess. We can all point and laugh.

Kinda sad really though, because my favuorite hunter class is Fighgunner. And only because they get the daggers plus good ranged backup. Double sabers are just uh, this thing they have that I rarely use.

[Yoshiflash]

fF...at least beast fF, needs to be able to use their effing axes efficiently before worrying about some dam double sabers. I mean gimme a break... axe PA MAXES at less than 300 ata on a beast 80/10 fF...thats just not good enough for something that is so slow.

[amtalx]

Accuracy is the price you pay for power...unless you're a Cast. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Aaomi]

I would say no just to keep a little more diversity between the classes. Sure they can use some of what one class can and some of what another class can, but I think its good to also give them something of their own.

[Omega_Weltall]

On 2007-05-18 15:25, Parn wrote:
Fortefighter is a brute force type fighter. Their S rank lineup reflects that. You think I got my hot body by twirling around a glowing Q-tip? Ha!


God you're wierd...

anyway, I'd like to see ForteFigheters get Double Sabers. I just recently got my Figunner to use one and they're good crowd control, not as good as swords (never used axes) but i like them. especially since you have to get SOOO close up on them I think it fits perfectly with.

Spelling errors fixed

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[Cz]

fortefighter should have S rank twin saber instead. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[-Ryuki-]

Why does everyone think Double Sabers are awesome? They're stupid and overrated.
Grab a damn Axe and swing THAT around. You hardly see anyone doing it.

[Cz]

On 2007-05-18 17:22, RyukiZero wrote:
Why does everyone think Double Sabers are awesome? They're stupid and overrated.


its personal taste. You should know it by now. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Aaomi]

I want an axe but my play style involves too much shooting >.>

[Mayu]

Hell no

[KamiSori]

i am amazed at all of the double saber hate i'm hearing on this thread. ive used every melee weapon and found double sabers to be a lot more useful than the other "advanced" melee weapons such as axes and claws.

[malice_nyc]

If fortefighters got double sabers, I might accidentally boot them from my party because I thought they were a fighgunner.

Gravity dance = boot in my S2 missions.

[Garnet_Moon]

On 2007-05-18 15:15, Zorafim wrote:
Why would knights use bo-staves?


The Blood Elf royal guards use double sabers.

[DraginHikari]

Really I don't think there alot of point to it, but there not really going to change it either...

Hmm really all the Figunner hate goes back to the similar lines along HUmar back in PSO. A class people act like retards and abuse. But really I don't understand people issue with it in general

I am a Figunner and I have been kicked out of games for having ONE double saber in my inventory before I've even used the PAs. I don't deny people overuse and misuse double sabers. However they have their usage, calling them 'lame' or Figunner being kicked for having 1 or even 2 double sabers or using their PA is a tad excessive in my view.

Back on topic, anyway, the point of NOT giving FF Double Sabers seem to draw on the ATA issues which Double Sabers have the absolute worse in. I honsetly had little trouble with ATA with any of my characters so I don't know if that would have really been an issue or not

[Garnet_Moon]

fF's are murderous brutes who use bigger, slower, and more damaging weapons and PA's.
FG's are psychotic children from Hinamizawa, so they can't use heavier weapons, but are still just as good as fF's because of how quick their weapons are.

[Parn]

On 2007-05-18 17:08, Omega_Weltall wrote:
God you're wierd...
You have no idea!

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I don't get why fFs don't get S rank twin sabers, thats a brute strength weapon, and Musashi Miyamoto, who was the inventor of that way of fighting was considered to be a very strong person. Well, I'm glad with them being S ranked by Acrofighters.

[DonRoyale]

fF's using double sabers is like asking WT's to use rods.

It just won't happen.

Lol@ Shim's first post.

(Most of the double saber hate comes from Tornado Dance spam, BTW. And for good reason n.n)

[VanHalen]

On 2007-05-18 17:18, BunnyGirl wrote:
fortefighter should have S rank twin saber instead. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



Indeed.

[Mayu]

On 2007-05-18 19:31, VanHalen wrote:

On 2007-05-18 17:18, BunnyGirl wrote:
fortefighter should have S rank twin saber instead. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



Indeed.

I will agree

[Pinecone]

I vote for S-rank single sabers. None of them kayak paddles for me thanks.

[Scion]

As Eleina said...

Only if they let Figh's use axes...

And, as Eleina also said...

That's a fucking stupid idea.

So, no.

[Mystil]

On 2007-05-18 17:22, RyukiZero wrote:
Why does everyone think Double Sabers are awesome? They're stupid and overrated.
Grab a damn Axe and swing THAT around. You hardly see anyone doing it.



I think you need to try it out to find out.

Remember...power is not the only thing a PA has going for it.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Fortefighter with Doublesaber?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA, no.

[Zorafim]

Funny thing, if fortefighters got S rank doublesabers instead, you'd say the same thing about fighgunners.
History was written by the winners, after all.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

HAY GAIS WARTECHER SHOULD GET AXES CONFERM/DENAI?????

[Zorafim]

Wartecher should get axes. Have you seen any melee mages with hot ninja skills lately? Not to mention how it complements its low atp quite well, and the fact that both PAs work well at lv20.

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[Phetty]

Id rather have S rank Twin Sabers for my fortefighter. But my S Rank claws are great too. Who else can jump out of the ground and freeze things at the same time?

[ashley50]

fFs don't need them...their High ATP is mostly focused on one enemy at a time unlike Double Sabers that Spread the damage.

and...Fighguners are SPECIAL imo...that's hwy they got the SPECIAL treatment. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Jakosifer]

I don't really care, although I wish 90% of fighs didn't pick the class for that one, single, weaksauce weapon. :/

[Chuck_Norris]

pfft double sabers are gay, if they're gunna give us them they better only be C rank, so we dont use them, now shotgun thats a whole other story, shotgun's close range, i think we should get S rank shotguns inplace of handguns.



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[-Ryuki-]

Oh believe me. I wield a Double Saber on my FiGunner. I dislike the weapon.
In fact, with my FiGunner, I find myself using Dualiesx2 and a Crossbow+Daggerx2
more often than my 1 Double Saber and 1 Twin Saber.

[Freshellent]

On 2007-05-18 19:26, Shiroryuu wrote:
I don't get why fFs don't get S rank twin sabers, thats a brute strength weapon, and Musashi Miyamoto, who was the inventor of that way of fighting was considered to be a very strong person. Well, I'm glad with them being S ranked by Acrofighters.



Musashi did not invent this,he made it popular. It's not for strength it's for tact. Two sabers appear to be deceptive,not for damage. It's about technique. He carried two swords yes,but each of a different size,one larger and one smaller,a companion sword if you will. It's hardly about power,trust me.

I don't see a good reason for FF's to use S rank twins,it seems to me they're about power,not the knockdown,quick hitting fast combinations that Figh/AF's are.

You can argue that twins are about power, but trust me a single sword draw is MUCH stronger than any standard swing from a single blade in each hand. There is much more to manage,again power DOES NOT come into play when "duel wielding" swords.

Twin sabers do medium damage,the work well on mobs,and sometimes their enough for a single enemy,but as the PA's are set up it seems to me they're ment for crowds,something Fighs seem to be made for.

As far as I can tell Fighs use a mix of things to make up for their lack of expertise in any one skill. They can range,they can melee,they can trap. Twin sabers seem to be DECENTLY strong,not too powerful is you ask me. It's a balance thing,something I think Fighs are.

Obviously fF's are supposed to be strong and swing as such,I think an axe is much deadlier than twins,but that's just me. I find that fF's spend more time damaging one enemy at a time and little else.

So,if it's supposed to be an expert melee class,with the intent on damaging one target,then why would you use a double saber? They don't swing for much I can tell you,if they did it still be a waste of time with arts like Spears 2nd PA and Tornado Break,that's if you needed to deal with crowds. If fF's did the AoE attacks that Fighs can in melee with S ranks or doubles it sort of defeat the purpose of playing a Figh whose not especially proficent in ranging either.

[Finae]

Eh? You want to turn my FF into a panzy? Though I wouldn't mind seeing the damage tornado dance does with that crazy atp of a beast M FF. Me likes my twin daggers and their insano fast damage kthxbai.

Seems like people hate double sabers and fighgunners with a passion. Note, I did not become a fighgunner for the double saber. It was to play both melee/ranged whenever I felt like it. The double saber was a bonus. I use double saber rarely these days. I will use tornado dance and a double saber on minibosses, mobs that won't be knocked over easily, or bosses. I also use double saber and tornado dance for transportation. With a high % double saber, hpc, and level 30 TD, the damage is actually really good. I ripped through Fakis pretty fast back in the days when my group did fakis runs for exp. I'm sure if I turned my beast into a Fg, the damage would be greater since the atp of a cast F vs human M is small.

I don't hate double sabers either, your typical nub just use them incorrectly. Dunno why you'd kick people from parties using gravity dance either because thats not even bad. Infact thats the best one for crowd control. All the third combo does is launch them. Spiral dance throws mobs everywhere on second and third combo and well we all know about tornado dance. If you boot me because you see me whip out a double saber, you are the nub imo.

[Powder Keg]

It doesn't really matter to me either way. Whoever said 90% of FG's pick the class for the double saber speaks the truth.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

On 2007-05-19 01:51, Icespike wrote:

On 2007-05-18 19:26, Shiroryuu wrote:
I don't get why fFs don't get S rank twin sabers, thats a brute strength weapon, and Musashi Miyamoto, who was the inventor of that way of fighting was considered to be a very strong person. Well, I'm glad with them being S ranked by Acrofighters.



Musashi did not invent this,he made it popular. It's not for strength it's for tact. Two sabers appear to be deceptive,not for damage. It's about technique. He carried two swords yes,but each of a different size,one larger and one smaller,a companion sword if you will. It's hardly about power,trust me.



Yeah, I was just feeling kinda lazy with my post and all. Actually, thinking of it now, I do think Twin Sabers belong to FG/aF cuz they're not specialist classes, which is something Musashi was against, believing specializing and favoritism was a surefire way to lose.



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[Sylpheed]

I initially used to think fighters should have gotton double sabers as the pure brute force class but then i realised that without double sabers fighgunners would be a virtually non-existant class in PSU as a majority of fighgunners primarily play it solely just so they can use double sabers, I have a beast with lvl 10 fighgunner and FF, i personally prefer figh just because or the sheer range of weapons they can use i rarely use a double saber and if i do its usually only one for breaking up hordes of mobs.

[Neith]

No thanks, I hate Double Sabers.

Besides, Fortefighter is master of large, powerful weapons, while FIghgunner is more speed (DPS) orientated. That's why FG is the DS class. It just wouldn't fit a Fortefighter at all.

Claws aren't DPS weapons either, they're high damagers. Twin Claws are bordering on either really. I really don't think there's a NEED for fF with Double Sabers.

Double Sabers suck ass anyway

Edit: As for Miyamoto Musashi, I don't think he invented dual-sword combat, but he is the known founder of Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu, which uses a long sword and a smaller sword.



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[xennec]

Double sabers really aren't that good of a weapon to use all the time. BUT, if there is a huge mob, gravity dance sure comes in handy. When playing as FG I usually have one double saber with me, although I rarely use it. My current favorite weapon combo is single claw/random gun. Although knockback with spiral and tornado dance is an issue, it is no different than all of the complaining about dambarta. I am sure that if double sabers were not in this game, all of the n00bs would go fortefighter and spam axes. Don't get me wrong though, I do love axes.

To answer the question: I think fortefighters should get double sabers so all the n00bs will become one and REAL fighgunners (those who don't spam double sabers) will get some of the respect they deserve and not be kicked out of a party for simply having a double saber.

[Jasam]

I actualy think, presuming it wouldn't be toaly broken, that they should get A rank ones.

That way we would see a class OTHER then Fg being used by the n00bs... for a bit of verity http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Pheromone]

On 2007-05-18 15:31, -Shimarisu- wrote:
No, for no reason other than the whining it causes is hilarious.



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I love your wit so much, lol.
And Naaaah. I don't think Fortefighters need them.

[Garanz-Baranz]

o.o

Boy, more negative then positive... >.>

And sence when did fortefighters have to focus on one enemy at once?

I never use Spining Break, because Dus Daggas did that better, I never used Dus Robado because Tornado Break did better. Now I use Claws,

Bukuu Renssen-ga hit's 3 targets with onbe hit... I use this on crowds, for maximum damage output.

I don't use Assault Crush because it's devestatingly weak compared to Rising Crush and Splendor Crush, because it doesn't do enough summed damage on a group.

Now Axes can do great deals of damage on groups, posibly greater than Double Sabers.

Now, come to me and say that Fortegunners are designed for 1 on 1, I say we should atleast get A-grade, it's not like A-grades totally overbeat the S-grade ones!!!

[Garnet_Moon]

My fT deserves a Double Saber. Already my list includes...

Mousketeer Rod: [X]
Photon Axe(Hala): [X]
Hockey Stick: [B]
Canoe Oar: [_]

So i'm set when I go to Disney World, when I need to make fire wood and defend the title against canadians, but if i'm caught up stream in my canoe i'm screwed.

[Freshellent]

On 2007-05-19 09:42, Garnet_Moon wrote:
My fT deserves a Double Saber. Already my list includes...

Mousketeer Rod: [X]
Photon Axe(Hala): [X]
Hockey Stick: [B]
Canoe Oar: [_]

So i'm set when I go to Disney World, when I need to make fire wood and defend the title against canadians, but if i'm caught up stream in my canoe i'm screwed.



QFT'd

[TeKneeK]

Fortefighters focus on heavy damage dealing weapons. Fighgunners focus on quicker, lighter damage dealing weapons (daggers, sabers, ect). The double saber is a quick, low atp weapon. Giving it to a fortefighter would combine high atp with quickness, probably making the class "broken".


People need to get it through their heads that ST has a reason for making things the way they are.

[Pillan]

Fortefighter only has 12% more base ATP than Fighgunner and loses access to any decent ranged weapons and traps. When you really think about it, while equipping the same weapon with the same level photon art, Fortefighter is only doing 20-40 more damage than Fighgunner. An extra 30 damage on each attack of Spiral Dance really isn’t that overpowered when compared to the extra 300-2500 per tick the Fighgunner gets from using a burn trap.

Honestly, I say FG is too powerful when compared to the other hunter expert classes and an easy way to decrease that deviation is to give fF and WT access to A rank double sabers.

[TeKneeK]

On 2007-05-19 10:06, Pillan wrote:
Fortefighter only has 12% more base ATP than Fighgunner and loses access to any decent ranged weapons and traps. When you really think about it, while equipping the same weapon with the same level photon art, Fortefighter is only doing 20-40 more damage than Fighgunner. An extra 30 damage on each attack of Spiral Dance really isn’t that overpowered when compared to the extra 300-2500 per tick the Fighgunner gets from using a burn trap.

Honestly, I say FG is too powerful when compared to the other hunter expert classes and an easy way to decrease that deviation is to give fF and WT access to A rank double sabers.




True, but don't fortefighters have a lot more defense than fighgunners? I just see fF's as tanks, and having one in the middle of the fray swinging a double saber around just seems.....overwhelming.



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[Sekani]

Seems like any fortefighter with sense would rather have a decent ranged weapon instead of double sabers. Just my opinion.

I'm not even interested in trying out fortefighter because I wouldn't have a clue what to do without twin handguns.

[omegapirate2k]

I say they should have atleast given double sabers to protransers :/

[Sekani]

On 2007-05-19 10:27, omegapirate2k wrote:
I say they should have atleast given double sabers to protransers :/



protranser(Omegapirate2000) + doublesaber = failure(Omegapirate2000) * 25million

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I have the solution for ranged options for Fortefighters: THE RELIC GUN!! Only useable by Newmans, so only Newman Fortefighters can use it.
But seriously, I think it would be better if Fortefighters got the longbows instead of Forces, if there's any Ranged weapon that looks to be more suited to Fighters, its the longbow, it looks more Hunter-ish than a pistol IMO. Crossbows and Cards also look to be Hunter-ish.

[Zer0_ConvoY]

well i feel it should be available to atleast one other class, it'd fit with acrofighter, could go with WT, i'm fF and I'd love to get my hands on one, always wanted one on my PSO HUcast too. I would like to see teir 3 classes or just weapon master classes, a class that can use ALL melee weps, I'd say even remove the use of guns and 1h melee weps if it weren't for those damn flying bosses, a class that could use all guns, maybe remove 1h weps too, a class that could use wands, rods and madoogs, giving the choice of speed or power.

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-05-19 10:32, Sekani wrote:

On 2007-05-19 10:27, omegapirate2k wrote:
I say they should have atleast given double sabers to protransers :/



protranser(Omegapirate2000) + doublesaber = failure(Omegapirate2000) * 25million



Hey now, that's just mean.

[Aralia]

fF gets axes, FG gets dbl sabers.

it's how the world works.

No ammount of therapy will ever make it alright.

[Jakosifer]

On 2007-05-19 10:43, Shiroryuu wrote:
I have the solution for ranged options for Fortefighters: THE RELIC GUN!! Only useable by Newmans, so only Newman Fortefighters can use it.
But seriously, I think it would be better if Fortefighters got the longbows instead of Forces, if there's any Ranged weapon that looks to be more suited to Fighters, its the longbow, it looks more Hunter-ish than a pistol IMO. Crossbows and Cards also look to be Hunter-ish.



Well statistic wise and general image wise...It would be odd for me to see someone run around breaking monsters skulls in with and axe and then pull out a pretty Fan and start flailing it in the air. :/

Status wise, they just don't have the ata for it. D:

And Aralia, I think the real problem the Fortefighters have with that is...Well Protransers also get to use Axes. I guess it would be fair for them to have a class exclusive weapon. >_____>;



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[Shiro_Ryuu]

Well, at least Longbows and Crossbows should belong to Hunters. Transfering to a sword and then to a crossbow ro longbow makes sense, but thinking about it now, the Spartans didn't like ranged fighting, so maybe not. But in that logic, Samurai used longbows, so in that sense, it would make sense for fFs to get longbows.

[Soukosa]

This is PSU, not real life. Longbows go to forces because in the older PS games that's who used them. Hunters aren't gonna get these top notch ranged weapons since they're just that, hunters and not rangers. They're designed for close ranged combat and not long ranged. Besides, a longbow or crossbow on an FF would be broken beyond belief. We don't need the HUcast with Spread Needle thing again.

I think anyone that desires more than a handgun on their FF doesn't understand the purpose of the class and probably shouldn't be playing it.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

But...but...relic gun ;_;

[VanHalen]

On 2007-05-19 15:06, Shiroryuu wrote:
But...but...relic gun ;_;



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