Most/least popular class/race?

[DreamLocke]

I'm waiting for my PSU disc to arrive in the mail and just wanted some feed back...by the way I can't wait to return after a LONG break.

In PSO there were about 10 million HUmars running around. And until late in the game, hardly any Forces.

In PSU now, is there a class/race or combo that is dominant? And on the other end; what's a rare thing to see?

[pikachief]

i think either humans or male newmans are least, and i have to say that either male cast or any beast seem pretty good in population!

so beast or cast is a lot everything else, not so much

[Sha Sha]

Beast seems to be a popluar race
i rarely see humans anymore altho there are some
i think the most popluar class is fortefighter and Fighgunner
the Techers are coming up from behind i have seen alot of new forces lately

[RedX]

Newman Protranser is the least popular combo.

Protranser is the least popular class and for Race i'd have to say a tie between Newman and Human.

[PALRAPPYS]

Remember this word...

FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHGUNNERRRRRRRRRRR!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif There's so many of them! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

[DreamLocke]

lol so fighgunners seem to be the old "Sephiroth" HUmars...

[PALRAPPYS]

On 2007-05-24 07:56, DreamLocke wrote:
lol so fighgunners seem to be the old "Sephiroth" HUmars...



Got that right.

Trust me though, if you become a Fighgunner, do NOT do it for the Double Sabers! They're good, but by far over-rated.

[Akaimizu]

Least popular class. My main character is it. I've seen other Protransers running around, but to find another person of my class is like striking gold. Figuratively, that is.

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-05-24 07:57, PALRAPPYS wrote:
if you become a Fighgunner, do NOT do it for the Double Sabers! They're good, but by far over-rated.


THANK YOU

[Kimil]

Popular Races w/ Gender
Human Males
Newman Female
Beast Male
Cast Male
Cast Female

Less-Popular Races w/ Gender
Human Female
Beast Female
Newman Male

Most popular Classes
Figunner
Fortetecher
Wartecher
Fortefighter

least popular classes
Fortegunner
Guntecher
Protranser

Relatively rare Combinations

Beast Guntecher
Beast Fortegunner
Beast Fortecher

Cast Fortecher
Cast Wartecher

Newman Fortefighter
Newman Figunner
Newman Protranser

[Omega_Weltall]

heh i have a Male Newman Fortecher/guntecher a Female Beast Hunter, and my Female Human is a Figunner. I'm about to make her a Protranser
now that the Fi-noobs kinda ruined it for me) since i was goin to make her a Wartecher, might as well go the 2 extra lvs in Ranger

[Cz]

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gifBunny go Fighgunner cause Sweet Death is her only S rank weapon at the moment and it is a waste not to use it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif

[-Tidus_415-]

I changed your list around a bit. This is what I see on the 360.



Popular Races w/ Gender
Beast Male
Cast Male
Human Male
Cast Female
Beast Female

Less-Popular Races w/ Gender
Newman Female
Newman Male
Human Female

Most popular Classes
Fighgunner
Fortefighter
Fortegunner
Fortetecher

least popular classes
Guntecher
Wartecher
Protranser

[DreamLocke]

Heh I might go Cast Guntecher with my alt...not like they need the TP...But my main will most likely be Beast Wartecher. That may change because I have a while to go...(starting over)

[Palefire]

A few good yardsticks for determining popularity of certain classes/races are as follows:

-Does the race have a special ability? (i.e., can summon SUVs or Nanoblast)
-Can the class use certain weapons exclusively? (i.e., can use rods or laser cannons)
-Can the class use S-rank weapons?
-Can the class use skills up to level 30?
-What race/class combination has the best ideal stats and bonuses? (i.e., Best combination for raw stats and bonuses for a Male Beast is with the Fortefighter class)

So with these questions in mind:


On 2007-05-24 09:25, -Tidus_415- wrote:

Popular Races w/ Gender
Beast Male
Cast Male
Human Male
Cast Female
Beast Female

Less-Popular Races w/ Gender
Newman Female
Newman Male
Human Female

Most popular Classes
Fighgunner
Fortefighter
Fortegunner
Fortetecher

least popular classes
Guntecher
Wartecher
Protranser

There you have it. The only exception to this rule is Human Male, and that's probably because most players are males and most prefer playing an avatar that's closer to home than the other races.

[KamiSori]

id say the most popular combinations on 360 servers are easily:

Cast Fortegunner
Beast Fighgunner
Newman Fortetecher
(rarely do I see any Guntechers, Wartechers, or Protransers)

the least popular race/gender combos on 360 servers are:

Female Casts
Humans

[-Ryuki-]

Most popular..

Human WarTecher
Newman ForteTecher*
Beast ForteFighter*
CAST FiGunner/ForteGunner*

Least Popular..

Newman ProTranser
Newman ForteFighter
Beast ForteGunner/GunTecher
CAST WarTecher

The ones marked with a * are the said stereotypical
classes/race combos.

[DreamLocke]

Thanks guys I'm on 360 btw. Since I've been playing the demo to tide me over I have seen crazy shyt like level 30's without PAs and the first armor you start with. Should be nice to be around people who know what they're doing lol.

[Eleina]

On 2007-05-24 11:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Most popular..

Human WarTecher



I hardly ever see any human wartechers...that being said don't see that many humans either

[-Ryuki-]

Eleina. I'm a Human WT. I happen to know several Human WT, and most of them
party with me >.>

[Eleina]

WT's stick together i guess....

[AweOfShe]

I think I'm the only one that absolutely LOVES being a Newman Protranser, so I'd say that race/class combo. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Micro]

Female Newman Protranser is the only class/race combo that matters. All others fail with flying colors.

[Eleina]

On 2007-05-24 12:45, Micro wrote:
Female Newman Protranser is the only class/race combo that matters. All others fail with flying colors.



*Looks at your sig* Your made of fail i see >>

Classes which are hated are basically ones which either don't do massive damage or get wasted to much...aka PT/GT/fT(when you suck as playing as one)

[RegulusHikari]

On 2007-05-24 07:57, PALRAPPYS wrote:
if you become a Fighgunner, do NOT do it for the Double Sabers Twin Handguns! They're good, but by far over-rated and kick a load of ass.



Seriously, I can't imagine soloing Jarbas in MB S2 as a FF. A Twin Mayalee/Frozen Fury combo takes them down so much easier than any melee combo I have.

As for popularity, I have to say I actually see a LOT of Humans. This game has a nice balance of races running around, and I can't really see a dominant race. But as far as classes go, Fig/FF is everywhere.

From what I see it's kinda like this:
Fig/FF
FT/FG
GT/WT
PT

[Syl]

I haven't seen any guntechers at all as of late. It's even rarer to find one that is mainly a guntecher and not just leveling it on the side type of deal. Well, at least we get some TP and s rank bow love in AoI http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Akaimizu]

My friend was a Human Guntecher, but that was just to level it. They didn't stick by it or want to make it their main. I'm the only *main* human guntecher I know left on the 360. I had another friend who was a Cast GT (which there are more of than humans), but he's no longer playing.

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[Ffuzzy-Logik]

From what I see, I'd have to say WT is easily the least popular class of them all, with PT being the only one that is close. AoI will make PT broken, so I expect PT won't be rare in the long run. However, I expect WT will always be pretty uncommon.

I don't pay much attention to races though, sorry.

[DreamLocke]

GTs suffer from the whole RAmar thing: you know how gimped they say they were in PSO. I used a RAmar in my main and carried him all the way to 200. I had no problem with him even though people tried to tell you how subpar they were compared to Casts and even the almighty HUnwearl. My alt will most likely be a Cast GT.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

No, Guntecher is already a very good class, and it will reach RAmarl-like levels of godliness in AoI, along with PT.

On the flip side, WT is currently about the worst class statistically, and AoI only makes it decent.

[Ithildin]

Just pick whatever you feel is right for you... Who cares whats popular and whats not...

[-Shimarisu-]

On 2007-05-24 13:47, DreamLocke wrote:
GTs suffer from the whole RAmar thing: you know how gimped they say they were in PSO.


Bullshit, they are not gimped, they own fortegunners for the reason that ranger ATP matters jack, base ATP matters jack too and GTs only have like 50-140 less ATP at cap depending on race used. They can equip more weapons than forte can, they can resta for half their hp (provided they are human or newman), they solo better, they cast DoT just as much as forte, they piddle all over forte and only noobs (most the damn game) think otherwise. And mostly because of that stupid bullshit rumour that more ata means more SE sticking, and the other stupid bullshit rumour that you need a forte's frankly ridiculous level of ATA to hit anything.

In AoI GTs are going to become EXTREMELY LOL. But unlike most fortetechers I'll be able to admit that I'm playing an overpowered class. Will be amusing because I've played what most perceive to be the underdog for so long. Funny really because I do only a modicum less damage per shot than my fortegunner friend, DoT cancels this out and I solo a damn sight more efficiently.

The only thing GT is gimped for is traps.



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[VanHalen]

On 2007-05-24 11:51, Eleina wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Most popular..

Human WarTecher



I hardly ever see any human wartechers...that being said don't see that many humans either



I see alot of humans. They scare me >.<.

I am the rarest race/class/gender combination evar!

[RadiantLegend]

Wish there were more Cast fF

[Mwabwetumba]

Well, I'm a Cast ForteFighter http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Akaimizu]

On 2007-05-24 14:30, -Shimarisu- wrote:

On 2007-05-24 13:47, DreamLocke wrote:
GTs suffer from the whole RAmar thing: you know how gimped they say they were in PSO.


Bullshit, they are not gimped, they own fortegunners for the reason that ranger ATP matters jack, base ATP matters jack too and GTs only have like 50-140 less ATP at cap depending on race used. They can equip more weapons than forte can, they can resta for half their hp (provided they are human or newman), they solo better, they cast DoT just as much as forte, they piddle all over forte and only noobs (most the damn game) think otherwise. And mostly because of that stupid bullshit rumour that more ata means more SE sticking, and the other stupid bullshit rumour that you need a forte's frankly ridiculous level of ATA to hit anything.

In AoI GTs are going to become EXTREMELY LOL. But unlike most fortetechers I'll be able to admit that I'm playing an overpowered class. Will be amusing because I've played what most perceive to be the underdog for so long. Funny really because I do only a modicum less damage per shot than my fortegunner friend, DoT cancels this out and I solo a damn sight more efficiently.

The only thing GT is gimped for is traps.



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I doubt you're getting much of a rebuttal from them. It's not about the complete reality here, it's about perception. There's a lot of under-appreciated things, in this game, and this is just one of them.
And yes, come the expansion, we'll see much more in GT population thanks to the boosts. I like to be in the proud population that also stuck by it during the unpopular days.


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[Jakosifer]

On 2007-05-24 08:17, omegapirate2k wrote:

On 2007-05-24 07:57, PALRAPPYS wrote:
if you become a Fighgunner, do NOT do it for the Double Sabers! They're good, but by far over-rated.


THANK YOU

[ShinMaruku]

On 2007-05-24 14:31, VanHalen wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:51, Eleina wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Most popular..

Human WarTecher



I hardly ever see any human wartechers...that being said don't see that many humans either



I see alot of humans. They scare me >.<.

I am the rarest race/class/gender combination evar!


No I will have that! Female Newman Fighgunner! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Jakosifer]

On 2007-05-24 18:57, ShinMaruku wrote:

On 2007-05-24 14:31, VanHalen wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:51, Eleina wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Most popular..

Human WarTecher



I hardly ever see any human wartechers...that being said don't see that many humans either



I see alot of humans. They scare me >.<.

I am the rarest race/class/gender combination evar!


No I will have that! Female Newman Fighgunner! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif




<_< I have a friend who's a Newman Female Fighgunner...She rawks http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[ljkkjlcm9]

there are a lot of fighgunners, because they have the most S ranks available for use.

And double sabers are great if used properly. They should basically never be used one on one with an enemy, but in groups of enemies or enemies with multiple weak points.

Fighgunner to me = AoE. Give me twin daggers(first PA), double saber, spear(2nd PA) single dagger(first PA) w/ crossbow, twin handguns, and more recently fists(Ulti PA) and you have some amazing AoE attacks. And with bullets level 30 in the expansion, you've just made that Xbow even better.

THE JACKEL

[PALRAPPYS]

On 2007-05-24 19:19, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
there are a lot of fighgunners, because they have the most S ranks available for use.

THE JACKEL



http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Yeah, right. Half those Fighs I see don't even use Twin Sabers, Twin Daggers, or single daggers.

It's sadly all for those darn double sabers. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif Now, of course I see Figh's using those items mentioned above, but every time I play with some noob they say "Oh I think that Fighgunner class looks interesting. It has double sabers."

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cry.gif

[Rashiid]

ive never seen a Cast Fortetecher yet. ever.

[PALRAPPYS]

On 2007-05-24 19:42, Rashiid wrote:
ive never seen a Cast Fortetecher yet. ever.



lol my neighbor is making one right now. XD

No seriously... CAST lv19 Force lv5. O_O

[Sychosis]

On 2007-05-24 19:42, Rashiid wrote:
ive never seen a Cast Fortetecher yet. ever.



Tylor can be one. He has all 3 base classes at 10. Methinks he doesn't enjoy being a walking monomate though.

[Rashiid]

i mean a forreal forreal one, not just a '2 second one'

like, a Cast fortetecher w/ all Techs to 30 fortetecher.....

[PALRAPPYS]

On 2007-05-24 19:54, Rashiid wrote:
i mean a forreal forreal one, not just a '2 second one'

like, a Cast fortetecher w/ all Techs to 30 fortetecher.....



Well it'd be his main class too...

But really Rashiid, if we had to like, have all techs to 30, then both of us would be unreal-like Techas! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

^Just going by your post^

[Sychosis]

On 2007-05-24 19:54, Rashiid wrote:
i mean a forreal forreal one, not just a '2 second one'

like, a Cast fortetecher w/ all Techs to 30 fortetecher.....



Well he's never going to make it there if you don't believe in him! Why you gotta be so mean? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Jakosifer]

On 2007-05-24 19:54, Rashiid wrote:
i mean a forreal forreal one, not just a '2 second one'

like, a Cast fortetecher w/ all Techs to 30 fortetecher.....



I think Ive seen someone like that on the PS2/PC Servers..The name is Saku or something like that. High lvl Cast Fortetecher.

[Rashiid]

On 2007-05-24 19:58, Sychosis wrote:

On 2007-05-24 19:54, Rashiid wrote:
i mean a forreal forreal one, not just a '2 second one'

like, a Cast fortetecher w/ all Techs to 30 fortetecher.....



Well he's never going to make it there if you don't believe in him! Why you gotta be so mean? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



who? what?

who am i being mean to?!?!

im confused....i wasnt even talking about anybody...

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[Rashiid]

On 2007-05-24 19:56, PALRAPPYS wrote:

On 2007-05-24 19:54, Rashiid wrote:
i mean a forreal forreal one, not just a '2 second one'

like, a Cast fortetecher w/ all Techs to 30 fortetecher.....



Well it'd be his main class too...

But really Rashiid, if we had to like, have all techs to 30, then both of us would be unreal-like Techas! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

^Just going by your post^



almost there.....kinda...

Zonde: Lv. 20; 41%.

UGHHH!!!

[AlphaDragoon]

I'm a human Fighgunner myself, but I don't fancy double sabers. I DO however fancy single sabers, of which Fighgunner is the only class to have S Rank for.

[Sychosis]

On 2007-05-24 20:02, Rashiid wrote:

On 2007-05-24 19:58, Sychosis wrote:

On 2007-05-24 19:54, Rashiid wrote:
i mean a forreal forreal one, not just a '2 second one'

like, a Cast fortetecher w/ all Techs to 30 fortetecher.....



Well he's never going to make it there if you don't believe in him! Why you gotta be so mean? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



who? what?

who am i being mean to?!?!

im confused....i wasnt even talking about anybody...

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif



Tylor! He'll never be a real fT if you don't BELIEVE!

[VanHalen]

On 2007-05-24 18:57, ShinMaruku wrote:

On 2007-05-24 14:31, VanHalen wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:51, Eleina wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Most popular..

Human WarTecher



I hardly ever see any human wartechers...that being said don't see that many humans either



I see alot of humans. They scare me >.<.

I am the rarest race/class/gender combination evar!


No I will have that! Female Newman Fighgunner! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif




Haha but I'm the only Male melee Newman!

[Garnet_Moon]

On 2007-05-24 12:42, AweOfShe wrote:
I think I'm the only one that absolutely LOVES being a Newman Protranser, so I'd say that race/class combo. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


I want to do all sorts of combos on my Newman, but the fear of overwriting my spells stops me from doing so. I tried WT earlier, and sighed because I only had like 4 or 5 slots for melee PA's.

Gotta level up an alt for my Tranny it seems.

[ShinMaruku]

On 2007-05-24 20:21, VanHalen wrote:

On 2007-05-24 18:57, ShinMaruku wrote:

On 2007-05-24 14:31, VanHalen wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:51, Eleina wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Most popular..

Human WarTecher



I hardly ever see any human wartechers...that being said don't see that many humans either



I see alot of humans. They scare me >.<.

I am the rarest race/class/gender combination evar!


No I will have that! Female Newman Fighgunner! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif




Haha but I'm the only Male melee Newman!


Awww I wanna wield an axe... ALT MADNESS!

[F-Gattaca]

Well, in my personal experience, I don't think I've ever seen a Newman Fortefighter of either gender ...

I did encounter a Human Protanser once; to my shock he said that PTmar/PTmarls were in short supply, that PTcast/PTcaseals are far more common. That seemed really out of left field. Aren't Humans the ones who get stat bonuses for hybrid classes? Given the theory that races will gravitate to the class that plays to their strengths, I thought I'd see a lot more of them.

Anyway. It might be Deja's influence but I've actually seen a lot of CAST techers of the three flavors. Wartecher, Guntecher, and even Fortetecher. It was heartwarming to see that people aren't getting shunned and kicked out for this kind of unusual pairing.

As a CAST, I did wind up doing just what the proficiency theory predicts; I started out as a Ranger (RAcast heritage, never forget!) and moved on to Fortegunner--but, I really, really love machineguns. So I've worked in multiclassing in Guntecher and Fighgunner.

For now, I'm not sure what I'll end up as ... at least, until S-rank SMGs come out.

For the people who were having ten car pileups over Fighgunners with double sabers, I'm pleased to announce that I've never once touched them; I'm much more fond of a dagger + SMG combination. That's probably the only reason I'd ever stay Fighgunner--the second stage skill PAs. I've turned into a living blender ever since changing over to Fighgunner after maxing Fortegunner and Guntecher ...

But, Fortegunner is where the bulk of my skills are. Not having the ability to use my rifles or grenade launchers or shotguns does sting, and there's certain situations where my beloved weapons just won't cut it ...

If the S-Rank SMGs are really worth it, I'll probably choose Guntecher as my primary liscence. Admittedly I've got very little interest in casting TECHNICs and I'd probably be using the class for all the wrong reasons, but what the hey.

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[SolomonGrundy]

I see few Wartechers, I see few Gunteckers, I see few female beasts, I see fewest male newmans.

I see LOTS of female newman FTs. if I had to pick the most predoimant class, this would be it.

I see LOTs of male casts. Some are FiGunners, some are Fortegunners, a few are Fortefighters.

About tied is female casts, and male beasts. the casts tend to be FiGunners (which is possiblly the strongest combo in the game), and the Beasts tend to be Fortefighters or Figunners.

@Akaimizu: I was/am a female cast GT. I will return to it, when Fortegunner, killer shot, and mayalee fury is capped. Good class, but not great. And the uber poor CAST resta makes me want to do silly things, like grind a 5* GRM wand to +10.

@Shim: it's not a rumor: ATA does effect status procurement, if only because you hit more, if fpr no other reason. Also,fortegunner has significanty higher atp AND bullet cost reduction - these two factors make it a very very strong class. Possibly overpowered. GTs, had potential, but util AoI, are more of a support class by nature - which is fine too.

GT: side note: both ultimate bullets for GT ranged weapons (cards and bows), are fairly horrible.

[Isabella]

On 2007-05-24 23:23, F-Gattaca wrote:
Well, in my personal experience, I don't think I've ever seen a Newman Fortefighter of either gender ...


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Nadia will be........o.o

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-05-24 23:58, SolomonGrundy wrote:
@Shim: it's not a rumor: ATA does effect status procurement, if only because you hit more, if fpr no other reason. Also,fortegunner has significanty higher atp AND bullet cost reduction - these two factors make it a very very strong class. Possibly overpowered. GTs, had potential, but util AoI, are more of a support class by nature - which is fine too.

GT: side note: both ultimate bullets for GT ranged weapons (cards and bows), are fairly horrible.

Wait, GTs somehow lost crossbows, twin handguns, rifles, and machineguns now? You need to start making sense. As it is, GT wipes the floor with fG. PP reduction is nice and all, but is easily remedied by carrying one extra rifle/crossbow/whatever. ATP doesn't matter much for ranged types, since their damage is done mostly with DoT status effects. Sure, higher ATA means you will hit more and proc the effects more often, except for the fact that the ATA of a fG is absurdly high, several times what is necessary to consistently hit an enemy. For this reason, GT can proc effects just as quickly as a fG.

[Sgt_Shligger]

On 2007-05-24 20:21, VanHalen wrote:

On 2007-05-24 18:57, ShinMaruku wrote:

On 2007-05-24 14:31, VanHalen wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:51, Eleina wrote:

On 2007-05-24 11:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Most popular..

Human WarTecher



I hardly ever see any human wartechers...that being said don't see that many humans either



I see alot of humans. They scare me >.<.

I am the rarest race/class/gender combination evar!


No I will have that! Female Newman Fighgunner! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif




Haha but I'm the only Male melee Newman!



Well, technically I'd qualify as a melee newman... My primary combo is saber/card ;o

[Akaimizu]

I'm guessing that means a Guntecher at 80/10. Because at 68/10, I can still use a bit more ATA. Comparatively, I still see monsters where I still need improvement on getting my hits to land.

In general, anybody can be a beast at 80/10, but they definitely differ on the way up. And then again, I think the difference between your final levels and the way up can skew just about any debate here.

Thing is, nobody starts a class 80/10, so often they make their decisions earlier on.


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[-Ryuki-]

This is coming from someone who said.. "I'll show you my GT's tech damage."

[Akaimizu]

I think you got me mixed up with somebody else. I hardly use attack techs, with the class.

[Criss]

Guntechers can actually be the main ranged damage powerhouse, my character being the perfect example. GTs rule the multiple-bullet ranged weapons department, and as a cast or beast with high base ATP, having it multiplied by cards or crossbows' 3 bullets, then by 150ish% att mod of the bullet, and 25% element on cards for example, adds up for some rather crazy damage. On my beast GT with lv 27 dark cards and shifta, I can hit Golmoros in relics for 320 x3 dmg per card shot. That outdamages my Female Newman fT 80/10 friend spamming lv 11+ Megids. I can do that on any enemy not ranged-resistant by swapping bullet element. Of course, that'll be less if you're a human or newman.

Now that's only for damage. Add in that I can whip out my dark bow for SE4 Virus, paralyze a whole pack of enemies in a few xbow shots, drop traps, reverser freezed/stunned/etc allies quickly and give backup healing (500 HP with Retier isn't that bad) and you've got one of the most versatile classes in the game after Protranser. All GTs might want from fGs are grenade launchers, and lasers with ult pa provide a good replacement. Actually, the only thing GTs really are lacking are better G traps like Virus.

So yeah, I think a lot of people are underestimating GTs in general. GTs can already do a ton of things and are always useful to any team, even in their current state. Bring in AoI changes, and the class is godlike.

Edit: But on to subject, I haven't seen many humans around lately. Lots of beasts, good amount of newmen and casts, but few humans. I'd say wartechers and fortefighters aren't really numerous either.

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[Rashiid]

On 2007-05-24 20:14, Sychosis wrote:

On 2007-05-24 20:02, Rashiid wrote:

On 2007-05-24 19:58, Sychosis wrote:

On 2007-05-24 19:54, Rashiid wrote:
i mean a forreal forreal one, not just a '2 second one'

like, a Cast fortetecher w/ all Techs to 30 fortetecher.....



Well he's never going to make it there if you don't believe in him! Why you gotta be so mean? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif



who? what?

who am i being mean to?!?!

im confused....i wasnt even talking about anybody...

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif



Tylor! He'll never be a real fT if you don't BELIEVE!


but i do have faith!!!

[-Shimarisu-]

Having been 65/8 before S2 was released, with most my bullets that I use *regularly* over 21, I really don't see any ATA issues.

Also have forte levelled to 6. I'll level it to 10 shall I? Nothing like proving people wrong, and I've stubbornly levelled classes I didn't even like that much just to do so before.

I don't know in what universe 50-140 BASE ATP counts for "significantly higher," but not on mine. The 140 is between cast fG and human GT BTW. It doesn't matter once you add on weapon. As for human vs human, my human fortegunner friend will have 65 more ATP than me at 80/10. It doesn't matter shit that he's human over cast, nor does it matter that he's forte and I'm GT. GT is already better than forte, I've said this since JP first got expert class. I even said that by the time our classes were maxxed, neither of us would have an S rank. Which is true. So with the situation as it is, barring grenade launcher I'm basically a fortegunner that can resta.

Even with S rank, well, you're a fool if you can't see that the highest damage gun is crossbow. Shot will never get as many hits in due to lack of ability to shoot and dodge at the same time.

GT>>>>>>>>>>>>>Forte.

The only reason the game in general does not think so, is the game in general is a festering heap of fucking noobs. And on PC, GT resta is scoffed at because dimates are penny change.

Not so on servers without inflated cash.

Edit: I'm 79/10 human now. Because I have a resolution never to hit cap.

I'm 56/4 GT on my newman.

I dunno wtf.

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[Shiro_Ryuu]

On 2007-05-24 19:24, PALRAPPYS wrote:

On 2007-05-24 19:19, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
there are a lot of fighgunners, because they have the most S ranks available for use.

THE JACKEL



http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

Yeah, right. Half those Fighs I see don't even use Twin Sabers, Twin Daggers, or single daggers.

It's sadly all for those darn double sabers. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif Now, of course I see Figh's using those items mentioned above, but every time I play with some noob they say "Oh I think that Fighgunner class looks interesting. It has double sabers."

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cry.gif



*raises hand* Over here! I'm a Fighgunner and those are my two main weapons on him, and I don't use Double Sabers too much. That Fighgunner is also a Human Male, probably the most common Race/Type/Gender combo there is.

[Palefire]

On 2007-05-24 13:10, RegulusHikari wrote:

On 2007-05-24 07:57, PALRAPPYS wrote:
if you become a Fighgunner, do NOT do it for the Double Sabers Twin Handguns! They're good, but by far over-rated and kick a load of ass.



Seriously, I can't imagine soloing Jarbas in MB S2 as a FF. A Twin Mayalee/Frozen Fury combo takes them down so much easier than any melee combo I have.

As for popularity, I have to say I actually see a LOT of Humans. This game has a nice balance of races running around, and I can't really see a dominant race. But as far as classes go, Fig/FF is everywhere.

From what I see it's kinda like this:
Fig/FF
FT/FG
GT/WT
PT



I love me some Twin Handguns. That was the main reason I went Fighgunner for a while...never even got high enough to use Double Sabres. John Woo > Everything.

In fact, that's the only thing I miss about settling on Wartecher: no more Twin Handguns. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Akaimizu]

I'm seriously glad to see a new group of Twin Handgun fans. For quite a while, I felt like I was the lone defender of them.

By the way, as of the beginning of this week, I claimed Minor Mastery of Twin Handguns, raising all elements and Ult PA to 21 and above. That took a good while. Once every last one of them is 30, then I'll claim major Twin Handgun Mastery. Two of them are already 30 as it is. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

I took advantage of the lack of popularity of them, in attempts to be one of the earliest players to achieve that feat, even with my playtime schedule. If anything, I really get into my characters.

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[DreamLocke]

On 2007-05-24 14:23, Ithildin wrote:
Just pick whatever you feel is right for you... Who cares whats popular and whats not...



I never mentioned choosing a class/race based on popularity, sorry you misread my topic...I was a RAmar in PSO despite what some people thought about it. I will pick what's right for me, don't you worry about that. I just wanted to know what's out there.

Anyway, this must be my hottest topic ever. Thanks for the input, guys. Also, this is great GT info too. I had misconceptions about this class, comparing it to RAmar when it it is so much more apparently.

[Akaimizu]

There's a lot of good stuff for Guntecher. They have a rather humble beginning though. They also promote certain playstyles that aren't quite like the other classes, verbatim. But like a lot of other classes, they are much easier to come into when you already levelled your character level to their end game.

I remember my early struggles, being low level and already a GT, and without all those nice 21+ bullets you really need to do pretty much all the great gun stuff any GT guide or person here, tells you about. You need a bit more patience, but it rewards you for your efforts in ways most don't realise. My style is one that switches from tactical support to powerful damage assist and back, based on realtime situations.

It's just that kind of like a Protranser in just the reason that you see early adoptors of other classes and they have an early game that leaves you a bit envious.

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[Sexy_Raine]

You'd see more variety if Sega cared to reward unique items to certain to race/class combos. So that pretty much kills the variety of the popultion.

Race/Gender from most to least used:

Male Cast
Male Human
Male Beast
Female Newman
Female Beast
Female Human
Female Cast
Male Newman

I noticed more ppl converting to Fortegunner, do to the fact they can solo anything, and get to have overpowered tools. They finally noticed it, OMG!!!. Now they want the best class!

[Mikaga]

The JP demographics of race/gender were stunning:

• Female Newman: ~24%.
• Humans: ~13% each.
• Beasts: ~12% each.
• CASTs: ~11% each.
• Male Newman: ~3%.

I don't know how or why they expect people to be male newman. The combination has literally nothing going for it. Newmans are good at one expert type - Fortetecher - and bad (generally 4th best, sometimes 3rd best) at the other six.

Now males > females by the following stats: HP, ATP and ATA. Fortetechers have pretty much zero use for the latter two, and HP is largely irrelevant because (a) the FT HP modifier is small enough to cut the difference, (b) females have more DFP, (c) the MST modifier is ridiculous so females last longer against enemy technics (which is unusual because normally the character with the highest HP wins).

In short, male newmans are 100% obsolete. Nice one, Sega. ¬_¬

Edit: Oh, and hey. Let's look at the other side of the coin.

With unmatchable bonuses to MST and STA, FNe FT can take an Olgohmon Barta without taking any damage. OTOH males will take ~15 damage and inevitably get frozen.

There's also the EVP thing. Fortetecher being one of the few classes that benefits from EVP in the form of survival and fast casting, FNe (who have a lot more than males!) are better off yet again.

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[chibiLegolas]

On 2007-05-25 10:43, Mikaga wrote:
The JP demographics of race/gender were stunning:

• Female Newman: ~24%.
• Humans: ~13% each.
• Beasts: ~12% each.
• CASTs: ~11% each.
• Male Newman: ~3%.

Yea. They're crazy over elf type girls. Poor male newmans....
The only reason I see to make them is cause they're cute to look at. If you're into male elf types like me.
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif
Or if anyone would be insecure playing a female FT character.

[SolomonGrundy]

Apologies in advance for getting off topic:


Wait, GTs somehow lost crossbows, twin handguns, rifles, and machineguns now? You need to start making sense. As it is, GT wipes the floor with fG. PP reduction is nice and all, but is easily remedied by carrying one extra rifle/crossbow/whatever. ATP doesn't matter much for ranged types, since their damage is done mostly with DoT status effects. Sure, higher ATA means you will hit more and proc the effects more often, except for the fact that the ATA of a fG is absurdly high, several times what is necessary to consistently hit an enemy. For this reason, GT can proc effects just as quickly as a fG

let me quickly destroy your argument. Let's assume you are a human guntecker, 80/10 (this is the best case power scenario for GT, as they get a stat bonus for being GT, and none for fG):

ATP: 554
ATA: 436

Fortegunner:
ATP: 618
ATA: 530

65ATP difference - still significant, when you consider machineguns, shotguns, and crossbows. However, the biggest consideration I look to is Arm slot. I would feel comfortable using a Solid Power S as a foretgunner (which would give me guntecker-like ATA), while giving a 160ATP boost.


Do you feel comfortable slotting a Solid Power S on a Guntecker?? Nah, you are going to be slotting mega power, or giga bullet save..., so I am a comfortable 175-235 ATP ahead of you.


Back one topic: I agree that Human, and newman bonuses should be higher for certain classes. Protranser should scream Human, and doesn't, it screams Cast. This may change as AoI comes out, I know PT MST is being increased, and I think EVP as well (which casts suck at too)

Newman/Human Wartechers should be a lil better to. More TP/MST for Humans, and more ATP/ATA for Newmans (pretty please). Note that AoI fixes this as well.

[chibiLegolas]

On 2007-05-24 19:54, Rashiid wrote:
i mean a forreal forreal one, not just a '2 second one'

like, a Cast fortetecher w/ all Techs to 30 fortetecher.....



Ouch. That kinda hurts....
*looks at my FOcaseal lvl 79, FT 8*

All my buffs/debuffs are over 21+. Does this count?
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Yea, they're on their way to 30, given time. Um.... My Gizonde's lvl 26 and I'm working on that too. Does that count as well?
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif'

Actually, I'm having a blast playing my FOcaseal and am debating if I should continue with my GT or go AT when expansions comes around. I'm finding it that this race/class combo comes the closest I've seen to bringing back my old FOmar of PSO days. Buff/debuff, and charge vulcans FTW!
Now instead of charge vulcans, I have fans now.

This play style's not for everyone. But I've always loved it and it took me awhile to re-find it again in PSU.
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Shiro_Ryuu]

On 2007-05-25 12:23, chibiLegolas wrote:

On 2007-05-25 10:43, Mikaga wrote:
The JP demographics of race/gender were stunning:

• Female Newman: ~24%.
• Humans: ~13% each.
• Beasts: ~12% each.
• CASTs: ~11% each.
• Male Newman: ~3%.

Yea. They're crazy over elf type girls. Poor male newmans....
The only reason I see to make them is cause they're cute to look at. If you're into male elf types like me.
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif
Or if anyone would be insecure playing a female FT character.



Wow, so Newmans make the majority of the population? Wow. And yeah, I'm also crazy about elf girls, which is why my one female char is a newman.

[-Shimarisu-]

On 2007-05-25 12:53, SolomonGrundy wrote:


Do you feel comfortable slotting a Solid Power S on a Guntecker??




Yes, because my human male guntecher has enough ATA to hit anything in S2. I don't think you realise just how ridiculous the ATA mod on forte really is. Stop defending it like it makes you godlike, actually the fact that human, cast and newman GTs get by in S2, missing very little with 21+ bullets (DON'T say you never miss, you do, there's a chance to miss with even infinite ATA it seems).

If I HAD solid power S, I'd put it on my human. With only 140 less ATP than forte, factoring in DoT attacks I really don't have it worse off than you. I can certainly do more damage solo until AoI, considering I feel safe to bring NPCs.

[Freshellent]

Has anyone seen a CAST Wartecher?

[Shiro_Ryuu]

CAST WTs seem to be pretty rare now that I think of it. I've only seen like 1 or 2 at most.

[DreamLocke]

Well finally got PSU tonight (again...) so I started fresh with a beast male. Shooting for WT eventually so I'm polishing up my daggers. (I will be using them for a LONG time since WT have like ZERO S ranks. oh well...)

I would ask how WTs will shape up in AoI, but I should start another topic for that. Hope to see some PSOW'ers online!

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-05-25 21:54, DreamLocke wrote:
WI would ask how WTs will shape up in AoI, but I should start another topic for that. Hope to see some PSOW'ers online!


Level 30 skills, 20 bullets, 30 attack tech, and 20 support techs.

I would have preferred 30 support and 20 attack, but whatever.

WT also gets A in Madoog and Whip (which will be very, very useful, at least the Madoogs), and S in Wand (which is rather pointless, at least in my opinion).

In terms of stats, most get increased very slightly, but nothing that makes any noteworthy difference.


To put it simply, Wartecher is the class that truly gimped at the moment, and the changes of AoI only make it decent, and still underpowered compared to most other classes. I'll still play it, but whatever.

EDIT: I'm really exaggerating about WT, it isn't that bad at all in practice, only statistically.

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[DreamLocke]

Hm...20 support? That doesn't make too much sense there since WT's aren't really supposed to nuke. My understanding is they run support when a party is forceless or their force is too busy spamming diga or dambarta to care. Damn you, Sonic Team!!!!!

[Shiro_Ryuu]

IMO Sega kind of wanted WTs to be nukers, altho I think it should have used a bit of a TP boost. I kind of agree w/ ffuzy that its pointless for Wartechers to use S Rank Wands instead of Madoogs. I think its great to have another nuking class because it makes TP less useless/useful in more than one class.


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[DreamLocke]

Oh I forgot about Acrotechers...now I see why WT's need to have the higher attack Techs. aF's are the support/melee class after AoI. I just hope WT's get a substantial TP boost to compensate; or they will suck. Plus I'm a Beast and need all the TP I can get.



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[Shiro_Ryuu]

Well, that isn't to say that aTs are gonna suck at nuking either. Actually, aTs have better TP than WT. It may be the next fT in that people will be bitching at them for buffs and heals, but they can also attack w/ magic if need be. Now there's three types that can attack with magic.

[DreamLocke]

Good point. It seems that aT's will free up the FT's from having to "waste" PP in to support the front line, allowing them to concentrate on nukes.

But someone (Shimarisu?) had a good post disproving my misconception that aT's were support/melee focused. It seems they are good for teching and using melee to finish off the weakened mobs as opposed to just rushing straight in.

Stat wise, however, WT's don't look that great on paper. But being the "middle ground" techer has intangible advantages. Versatility has to have a price.



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[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Acrotechers will "nuke" better than Wartechers, and by quite a lot. They also have level 30 attack techs, and a hell of a lot more TP. From my experience in the beta, Acrotechers are not at all good with melee.