when do the rest of the store armors become available?

[SolomonGrundy]

I'm a little tired of getting bent over looking for an A rank electric armor.

EDIT: to clarify, the shops will begin sellign a few more armors, one of which is catiline - which comes with some amount of electric.



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[Soukosa]

Synth it then? There isn't any other shield lines available in shops on the JP version that what we have. The AoI beta had 9* ones but that doesn't mean that they'll ever be put there.

It's also "lightning", not "electric"...

[Siertes]

Oh man, I wish there was some great electric armor available in NPC shops. I've got electric bullets and electric sabers, but crappy electric armor.

Guess we'll just have to synth some with our electric photons, Solomon.

[Niloklives]

that last bit was unneccesary. you knew what he was talking about. Why nit pick? And synthing armor is an absolute pain. I can only imagine what he's gotta deal with on 360 in terms of funds. heck on PS2 I can synth 10 crimsonlines and walk away with 7 monomates, a 10% a 16% and a 12% most GRM stuff is 25+ if you buy it in the store. why wasts all that time and money on monomates when he was under the impression he might be able to buy a solution eventually. Of course he could try synthing one, be was looking for alternatives. Don't be so damned rude.

Anyway, I haven't heard anything about new storebought armors, my finger's not exactly right on the pulse if you know what I mean, but the rumors I hear are pretty outlandish ones, so I really couldn't say. It'd be nice though seeing as I'd love to have good armor that would let me equip my new Attacker SUVs.

[SolomonGrundy]

Sorry for misunderstanding. The question came after reading the PSU pedia, and seeing the catiline there. I thought it implied that the NPC shops were going to begin selling it.

To Sounumi: perhaps I should try synthing my own - oh, wait...I did try, and lost 1,000,000 meseta creating the 4 loveliest monomates you have ever seen.

:-/

oh well, guess I'l have to wait until the next FB to gather insane amounts of resin.

[Niloklives]

yeah that's what I'm talking about. Synthing is one of the most painful parts pf PSU. I have been synthing armor since january on a prety regulat vasis and finally got something over 30% last week/ Usually I feel lucky to get anything over 20% and that's when I succeed. a pure armor PM you'd think would have batter luck with 4* armor...>_>

[Hrith]

Synthesizing shields in PSU is beyond stupid.

Although I've gotten a few good successes, I'm 8/39 on A grade shields, you can only imagine the money I lost, hmm.

[SolomonGrundy]

Firebreak made it bearable for a while. plentiful resins. not so much anymore though.

[HFlowen]

Where's that Protranser armor... T.t

[panzer_unit]

you mean protranser monomate?

[Neith]

People synth armour? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

The rates suck so much, I'm in two minds whether to even bother making an Armour PM. Capping at 70% is pathetic, considering the amount of cash that gets poured into Armour synths.. I have a friend with an armour PM (pure), and it's failed 3/4 of the armours I've wanted synthing.

Got to the point where I look through playershops for them instead.

[Akaimizu]

I've synthed armor a few times here and there. I do it when I simply can and have time. Though I'm really tempted to synth armors and wait for the 3 star luck thing to happen before I take em out. Not that I'm getting any guarrantees there, but any little bit helps.

I don't proactively synth, though. I kind of synth when I just simply have the surplus of materials to do it, so if I lose it, it's no big loss. Either I make a great synth, or I lost a few materials I wasn't planning to use on anything else, anyway.

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[SolomonGrundy]

there is always loss. you could be selling the boards, and matierials to others who seem to have better luck. I've seen shops with 5 or more crimson/ganna/yamata-senba - it boggles the mind how many tries some people would have to synth to get 5 high rank armors.

[Soukosa]

On 2007-07-01 23:57, Siertes wrote:
Oh man, I wish there was some great electric armor available in NPC shops. I've got electric bullets and electric sabers, but crappy electric armor.

Guess we'll just have to synth some with our electric photons, Solomon.

XP

On 2007-07-02 00:00, NIloklives wrote:
that last bit was unneccesary. you knew what he was talking about. Why nit pick?

Because suddenly everyone using "electric" instead of lightning got to me. Simple things can get to me http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

On 2007-07-02 11:46, SolomonGrundy wrote:
Sorry for misunderstanding. The question came after reading the PSU pedia, and seeing the catiline there. I thought it implied that the NPC shops were going to begin selling it.

To Sounumi: perhaps I should try synthing my own - oh, wait...I did try, and lost 1,000,000 meseta creating the 4 loveliest monomates you have ever seen.

:-/

oh well, guess I'l have to wait until the next FB to gather insane amounts of resin.

PSUpedia lists whatever they get info for, be right or not and be listed in a good manner or not. And yes, I have synth'd stuff before and lost a lot of money doing it. I just figure that ST wants to make it hard to get certain things and put up with it since in a way, I can see why.

There is good news though, well sorta. The fami cup mission for the colony on A rank will drop the cati shields premade from the fakis boss boxes. Premade shields will have the same element and percent as they would in the shops as well. There's also a high chance that SEED Awakened S2 will have these same drops from the boss boxes as well since most of the rares from the fami cup missions that came from the main boss boxes have been confirmed from the normal missions with those bosses. It should be dropping 9* shield lines and weapons as the common premade stuff though since I doubt they'll go past lv 115 with Fakis knowing how ST is going with things. That level would dictate that level of items following the common rare patterns that the boss boxes have been following.

I imagine some time after AoI comes out, stuff like this will be alot more easy to get. They just need something to be considered leet and hard to get and don't really have much to choose from in this version. That's how I think they're thinking at least.

[SolomonGrundy]

A rank armor is l33t, now? when did that happen?

[panzer_unit]

I think A-rank armor is elite... I love 9* Tenora armor ever since I got my first taste of it. Evade is by far the most noticable of the defensive stats.

[Akaimizu]

On 2007-07-05 00:57, SolomonGrundy wrote:
there is always loss. you could be selling the boards, and matierials to others who seem to have better luck. I've seen shops with 5 or more crimson/ganna/yamata-senba - it boggles the mind how many tries some people would have to synth to get 5 high rank armors.



That would be true, if any of my armors happened to be high rank armors. None of the ones, I've acquired, were like that.



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[SolomonGrundy]

On 2007-07-05 09:52, panzer_unit wrote:
I think A-rank armor is elite... I love 9* Tenora armor ever since I got my first taste of it. Evade is by far the most noticable of the defensive stats.



evade is great...for a gunner. notice the materials for A rank tenora armor are 'unobtanium' and 'NPCboughtiina'

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Where is the uber high DFP armors? you know, the ones that fTs/gunners could never hope to equip?

[Niloklives]

Narnia...

[Midicronica]

I've actually been looking into getting A-rank tenora works armor for my characters because I already have 2 GRM's and 1 Yohmei. I'd really like to see how that crazy amount of evasion would work out playing as my GT.

BUT! There is only tiny little problem. Tenora works armors almost never have a fucking extra slot! Oh sure, there's the Rabol Rappy, Rabol Rad, and Rabol Dunga (which I really fucking want because half of my arsenal is 8* Cubo Dungas) but these are almost damn near impossible to find. The Rabol Dunga still isn't available on the JP. =

I'm sure some of you would just tell me to stop whining about an extra slot, but giving up on that +3 END from my SUV Attacker is just too hard to give up...

[DarkEliteRico]

yeah i know what you mean, i'm dropping way to much money into buying my ganna lines, they haven't done me any wrong yet. i'll just keep on selling my mats at a decent price in hopes that the armor makers will remember that.

[SolomonGrundy]

On 2007-07-05 15:34, Shadow_Moses wrote:
I've actually been looking into getting A-rank tenora works armor for my characters because I already have 2 GRM's and 1 Yohmei. I'd really like to see how that crazy amount of evasion would work out playing as my GT.

BUT! There is only tiny little problem. Tenora works armors almost never have a fucking extra slot! Oh sure, there's the Rabol Rappy, Rabol Rad, and Rabol Dunga (which I really fucking want because half of my arsenal is 8* Cubo Dungas) but these are almost damn near impossible to find. The Rabol Dunga still isn't available on the JP. =

I'm sure some of you would just tell me to stop whining about an extra slot, but giving up on that +3 END from my SUV Attacker is just too hard to give up...



Beast Fortegunner, FTW!

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[panzer_unit]

On 2007-07-05 14:04, SolomonGrundy wrote:
evade is great...for a gunner. notice the materials for A rank tenora armor are 'unobtanium' and 'NPCboughtiina'

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Where is the uber high DFP armors? you know, the ones that fTs/gunners could never hope to equip?


Valley and Mine boxes drop Meta-materials.

Notice how all the armors that only a fighter can equip (Rabol Danga, Rabol Dadan) are EVP focused? I think that should be taken as a hint about what defense stat they should be looking for. The high-end Rabols I've been buying are far more effective than GRM armors.

[SolomonGrundy]

Notice how all the armors that only a fighter can equip (Rabol Danga, Rabol Dadan) are EVP focused? I think that should be taken as a hint about what defense stat they should be looking for. The high-end Rabols I've been buying are far more effective than GRM armors.

no.

[panzer_unit]

no, what?

I've tried tons of armors and EVP is the most effective defensive stat for a melee fighter. I think it actually supercedes element %: it works against all elements and can reduce incoming damage a huge amount compared to the pittance you get from DFP (30~60% vs 20% or less from any midsize hit) ... the chance of statuses and knockbacks are negated on blocked hits too.



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[SolomonGrundy]

you original thought is that moatoob armor has a high DFP requirement, therefore, EVP must be the way to go for melee types.

And while I agree that EVP has it's uses, it is AWFUL for slower, heavy weapons, like axe, or sword. pp efficiency is important.

Again, this is an issue where the root problem lies in DFP not being to the correct scale. Even still, if you were to wear a Yamata-senba, with the correct element, use a Defabride, with a beast Fortefighter, you would see a big impact on damage taken. EVP is easier, but not more useful.

And if they fix the elemental % thing on armor for AoI, then low DFP classes maybe be in for a big surprise.


Amusing side note: the 9* Protranser only armor's DFP requirement is so high, only casts can equip it at level 80/10

[panzer_unit]

It's not just the high DFP. Various Tenora armors are literally _fighter_only_ the same as Yohmei makes techer-only and GRM makes gunner-only armor.

DFP simply can't exist on the scale you're talking about. It doesn't scale up to meet big threats, while leaving some sting to smaller hits the way evade and element do. Sega is NEVER going to give someone enough DFP to make a lick of difference against a King Bil (hits me for 1100+) you're dropping almost every other source of non-technique damage out of the game. Thats retarded.

Yes IF you get a full rainbow of high-element Yohmei armor and buff it, it will make a significant difference on maybe average monster hits in high-level missions. Weren't you complaining IN THIS THREAD about how expensive / statistically impossible this feat is? Instead you can make ONE set of non-elemental Rabol Asted and buff evade. That also blocks like 30~40% of incoming damage along with all sorts of nuisances like status effects and knockdown. Unless all you fight is polties, the stagger on any big hit is going to interrupt your PA no differently than evading (except for the 300 HP lost or whatever) so I don't really see the argument there.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

IMO Evasion is very useful for Fighters. Besides, if you look at it from a realistic viewpoint, Fighters would prefer to have high evasion than high defense because if you get hit by a sword, its not simply gonna hurt, you're gonna get sliced in half.

Now back to PSU. Fighters are in the front lines, and were having things like piggy stomps, alligator tail whips, big vear punches, hentai worm pop ups, and other dangerous attacks that either send you flying or cause a status effect. In these cases, I would much rather evade than get hit by it. And like panzer said, your defense will not get high enough to take 0 damage from things that are powerful. Also like panzer said, if you're doing a PA and you get hit by a super powerful attack, I'd much rather evade and keep my HP than get hit and fly away, and lose HP AND PP.

Oh yeah, and in AoI, were gonna have that new Just Counter thing which will apply to us Fighters and we can use it whenever we block something. I say EVP is good for a fighter.

[Dj_SkyEpic]

I seriously kinda quit on making armor... It's nearly impossible to get what % I want and need for the right element. I don't even have my own 50% armor of any type.

If I were you, I would try to find something of value then trade it off for the armor that you would want. To me That's better than losing 99 million to making 1 Lightening 50% Yamata and countless hours of synth time.

[Mayu]

hmmm armor lets see

My experience lol

- - PS2/PC - -
Estimation

1 Stack of 99 mill - - I pretty Much lucked out

50% Sori-Senba CLEAR
50% Lighting Crimson line CLEAR
50% Light Yamata-Senba CLEAR
50% Fire Crimson Line CLEAR
50% Ground Crimson Line #@%^ING <.< 70 Mllion spent and I still don't have one

AND IT'S DEPRESSING WHEN YOU MAKE 10 hmmmm Crimson Lines?
Thats 10 million on PS2/PC <.<
or 32 armor is 32 million

And only get 1 Armor thats 10% <.<

-_- So yes Trading is very.... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif rather then synthing and getting annoyed

[Almighty_Envy]

I synthed 3 Rabol Asteds and got all 3 of em. 28%,10%,50% Dark.

Falkis has never been more laughable http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Shiryuu]

On 2007-07-05 15:34, Shadow_Moses wrote:
The Rabol Dunga still isn't available on the JP. =


Everyone has a dunga armor in JP. It drops like rain in a storm here.

On 2007-07-05 09:17, SolomonGrundy wrote:
A rank armor is l33t, now? when did that happen?


Puyo and A-rank SUV?

[panzer_unit]

I thought about this thread when I noticed that B-rank Vanda punch my 80/6 cast fortefighter hard enough to cancel a PA. OTOH: the Ga-Senba set with proper elements produces some hot damage numbers.

[SolomonGrundy]

vanda is an anti-fortefighter enemy. no two ways about. retreats. spews damoie WHILE TURNING, and throws a diga that is tough to dodge while in a PA.

Barta wipes the floor with vanda's, even buffed ones. I suspect laser cannon does the same, but for more pp.

[panzer_unit]

Taking a horde of vanda with a laser cannon isn't so bad... but you've got to dodge a LOT of goddamned diga, and you run the risk of getting hit by a chain of 4-5 techs and wiped out.

They're not super hard to take on in melee. Separate one from the group with a fast knockback like Anga Durega, then switch to a weapon with a quick juggle PA to keep that one immobilized while you pile in with mostly normal hits.

[Sekani]

Even buying armor from player shops is in most cases prohibitively expensive. The only A-rank armors I'll have for a long time are the NPC Hardline and Sori-Senba.

Phantom Lines are the only ones I've seen recently for under a million meseta, but anything over 20% apparently sells at light speed.

[panzer_unit]

There are other elemental A-ranks in the shop aren't there? I recall an 8* tenora armor with Earth.

[SolomonGrundy]

rabol solid is 18% earth, and a 'mere' 360K. I saw one in a player shop for 310K.

with regard to vandas: you are right. if they apear by themselves, you can take down one (slowly), by seperating him from the group (rising strike does this as well), then using normal hits + a little photon art to taken them down. takes forever though - I can take down groups of 3-5 with barta, and I can wear ageha senba (with stupid high earth %), and live through the hits.

I have not tried laser cannon, but thanks for the confirmation. If you have the time, I recommend light crossbow on a small group. a few shots will confuse 1 or 2, and they hurt each other fiercely.

EDIT: keyboard issues. The '1' key sticks. that IS supposed to be 18%



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[panzer_unit]

8%... seriously? Tenora hax. I guess they're going for those MegaRainbow combo sales.

Yeah, Laser Cannon is a nice fast way to take apart a bunch of Vanda Merha. Don't FPS it, just strafe to avoid the barrage and try to tag a couple targets whenever it's clear. It feels like a 2-d shooter when the lowdiga starts flying, and if you're having an off day you'll lose lives just as fast.

[Shiryuu]

Pretty sure he meant 18%.

[Sekani]

On 2007-07-09 08:08, panzer_unit wrote:
There are other elemental A-ranks in the shop aren't there? I recall an 8* tenora armor with Earth.


No extra slot = fail.

[panzer_unit]

oh... 18% isn't HAWT but I'd tap that for 360k if I didn't have higher-grade earth armors already.

I bounce between armor with and without extra slot frequently now, the +3 stamina from Attacker SUV units is pretty noticable if you're fighting anything with freeze. So's the extra MST on Crimsonline. I've started picking armor brands depending on the mission I'm headed for. I still don't like using Yohmei stuff though, aside from Ga-Senba for extra claw pwnage.

[SolomonGrundy]

extra slots don't matter as much for Wartechers...or non Cast guntechers? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

for everyone else the extra slot is healing, or SUV or extra stamina

[Soukosa]

STA > all. 2 extra STA on top of the extra 2 on a GT is enough to make me want to use a shield with an extra slot. Could really use those other two stamina units though >.>

[SolomonGrundy]

In Moatoob? what effect are you avoiding? Sta is only worth it to avoid megids, and freeze. Stun has a 100% apply rate, right?

anything else can be antimated/reverser'd

[panzer_unit]

Stun, like from bil hits? Thats not 100%.
On Moatoob there are a hell of a lot of things throwing burn around. Running out of antimate really blows.

[Niloklives]

On 2007-07-10 14:18, Sounomi wrote:
STA > all. 2 extra STA on top of the extra 2 on a GT is enough to make me want to use a shield with an extra slot. Could really use those other two stamina units though >.>



SUV > STA

the attacker SUVs give as much STA as a Garment Aura.