Poll - Reason for lvl 80 not dying without Scape Dolls

[Tagnut]

I am soooo tired of being in a party with lvl 80s then one dies and turns out hasn't bought a Scape along for whatever reason (add ones that u have heard below)
If lvl 80s have are using A and S rank weapons is there really a valid excuse for them not having/not bringing multiple scapes on a mission with them?

[gambit04]

I just got done doing a Firebreak mission(when they were still in here), I just got done solo'ing. Any other time I have a good amount of scapes so it could have skipped my mind...thinking I always got scapes what am I a noob?

Sometimes it happens can't be helped >.>

[amtalx]

It sucks yea, but its going to happen. It's an easy thing to forget if you run suicide missions a lot.

[HFlowen]

Usually I don't really give a damn.

If something like that bothers you so much, you are playing a game for all the wrong reasons.

[RegulusHikari]

Level =/= Skill

[Akaimizu]

Not that this will last too long, though. This is definitely residual *I forgots* from the Firebreak event. Firebreak has conditioned a lot of people from bringing scapes, and the new mission doesn't exactly remind them either. Now that people are back to regular missions, you'll have those people that kind of forgot that scapes are useful there.

Of course, usually after that one mission, or so, they wisen up and bring scapes again. Considering everything else in life has those "Whoops, forgot about that" moments whenever life conditions you for something else, this is understandable. I can't expect people to tbe more cognizant of issues in a game like PSU that they would in real life. Forgetting a scape is absolutely nothing compared to forgetting your keys, or something else that trips you up in life. And most people who've gotten this far in the game, don't really get all up in arms because somebody just died in a mission. With the rewards as high as they are, and what we know about the real value an S ranking has on end-gamers; it's just not that big of a point. We normally respect they have some certain level of experience, and a little setback like that hardly delays gains for us.

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[Shiryuu]

Once you're capped, you don't really care about MP, so that's probably why. :/

[Akaimizu]

Well, not only that, but because MP rewards are so darn high (even without S ranks), and because everybody is loaded in PA frags. An "oops" or two is hardly a setback. It's generally more of an embarrassment for the one it happens to because they got so used to not dying, in the first place. Of course, in these cases, the person who's usually hardest on that character is themselves. The others usually look on them as "Yeah, I've been there before. No biggie."

Going through dozens of missions without a single death, also kind of puts you out of the mind of paying attention to how many scapes you have, too.

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[chibiLegolas]

On 2007-07-05 08:42, amtalx wrote:
It's an easy thing to forget if you run suicide missions a lot.



I'm with him. Rare hunting, fire break, co-op missions doesn't require scapes. So I know I'll forget to bring them myself.
But it'll usually take a while for me to find out since I don't usually put myself in a position to get killed to be reminded the hard way.

The other reason, some lvl 80's might not care about MP's. I know I don't. Though I might miss the cash reward in the end. But it's best to ask first anyways. You'll never know if your other teammates are maxed in their class or not at first glance.

[Sexy_Raine]

Heh, i won't let no one get away with it without a reason. I've kicked ppl before, and I don't really have much mercy. Frags mean a lot, and having to lose them over someone's scrubbiness isn't exceptable. , I rarely see this happen so it's not really much of a problem.



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[Lamak]

It's gonna be sad when they remove the death count thing. People don't even carry moons to revive others. :|

[watashiwa]

On 2007-07-05 08:55, chibiLegolas wrote:
The other reason, some lvl 80's might not care about MP's. I know I don't. Though I might miss the cash reward in the end. But it's best to ask first anyways. You'll never know if your other teammates are maxed in their class or not at first glance.



Exactly.

There's just a lot of people who play PSU who are focused on themselves, not the team.

People who join games without scape dolls, just because they don't care about MP or the reward (when everyone else probably does), are self-centered assholes.

[SolomonGrundy]

definitely the FB thing, but also the solo thing. Sometimes when I'm trying to solo an S2 mission, I put away my scapes as I expect to die, and I expect m NPCCs to die...a lot.

[Almighty_Envy]

Well, If they die, Who cares?

So what if you dont get S.

Its one mistake, If you cant accept it then maybe you should be soloing.

[watashiwa]

On 2007-07-05 09:10, Almighty_Envy wrote:
So what if you dont get S.

Its one mistake, If you cant accept it then maybe you should be soloing.



There are different types of parties.

Some parties are after the reward for S rank. Some parties are solely in it for experience.

If some dick joins a party which is trying to acquire S ranks and dies without a doll, then that's just messed up.

If the party is an EXP party, then it probably shouldn't matter.

If I'm trying to gain MP, get PA frags, or whatever.. one death can sometimes halve the MP. One death also crushes your chance for PA frags completely.

If I'm just trying to get EXP, then deaths don't matter and people can die as much as they want without dolls.

You can, of course, solo and try to get MP or PA frags, but S2 missions are pretty hard for most classes to solo, so you really need a team to make the runs not so long or mind-numbing.

[Almighty_Envy]

Its different if you say in the comment please bring scapes etc.

I agree, if someone joines in a party and dies if you have the party named S ranking or mp runs then they should get the boot.

If its just in the beginning of a mission, o say 5 mins in, its not a big deal. You could always just restart.

[panzer_unit]

I usually play without scapes. It's usually a huge waste of money for nothing, especially now where if someone wants MP or money they can go do something like Her Dirty Secret for tons of it and still not need scapes since the mission auto-fails if someone dies.

[Shishi-O]

On 2007-07-05 08:41, gambit04 wrote:
I just got done doing a Firebreak mission(when they were still in here), I just got done solo'ing. Any other time I have a good amount of scapes so it could have skipped my mind...thinking I always got scapes what am I a noob?

Sometimes it happens can't be helped >.>

i feel like shit when it happens, but ditto.

[watashiwa]

On 2007-07-05 08:41, gambit04 wrote:
I just got done doing a Firebreak mission(when they were still in here), I just got done solo'ing. Any other time I have a good amount of scapes so it could have skipped my mind...thinking I always got scapes what am I a noob?

Sometimes it happens can't be helped >.>



It can be helped.. especially if you're like me and always go to the merchant NPC after every mission. Even if you don't use any dolls in that mission, I'm always going to him to sell useless shit and restock on Photon Charges and/or Mates.

I always check my doll count at the end of a mission and make sure I have 10, then I charge up at the Photon Charger.

(Sometimes I charge first, before visiting the Merchant NPC, depends on my mood I guess.. lolz)

[Rashiid]

best excuse i heard; "i have one!! it didnt work!! its a glitch i swear!!'

[Akaimizu]

This isn't something people need to look on with black and white figures. There's plenty of absolutely proper and understandable reasons why somebody may *forget* a scape, particularly at this exact time of PSU. Now, yeah, if the mentality is non-care from the one getting killed when the party has made is clear they don't want that, then yep; that's not the way to go. Just some of us like to mention that in our parties we don't go judge/jury/executioner over 1 mistake.

There's been enough times where people spent long hours fighting on nothing but stages were scapes are not what you want to carry with you. That breaks any kind of normal practice of making sure you have scapes on you, because the opposite is clear (and you don't have to restock on nothing).

[Shou]

Its an easy mistake to forget to bring dolls. People shouldnt get upset at all just ask them to go get some maybe or offer them some. With my experiances people have been pretty nice about it during FB

[Cz]

scapes cost 5k. To me, that is a huge expense. Luckily for me, I dont play with anyone other than soloing, so i dont really need to buy scapes at all. Even though I say that, I alway have at least 2 scapes on me because i dont like running back to where i got kill...take too long sometime. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[60Hz]

I can't understand your topic... am i just too tired to comprehend... Reason for lvl 80 not dying without Scape Dolls??? I guess you mean "the reason why a level 80 won't have scapes?" hate to be nit picky but your topic makes very little sense...

[RadiantLegend]

I dont carry scapes unless i find one.

I dont need Exp/Mp/Pa frags.

I strictly do runs for sranks.

I die however and whenever i feel like it.

[Mayu]

I'll die to piss you off lol <3

anyway if the person wants to save money -_-(PS2-PC even)

Then he won't buy scapes <.< which is the persons choice

And like pretty much... all people want are the S rank weapons <.<

Yeah... lol people want it for xp to? but hey it's my opinion -_-

<3 That is all



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[Midicronica]

Only time I don't carry scapes is when I'm playing with my friends and I know they aren't shooting for S rank. I was trying to break them out of this because we all need money, but with Her Secret Mission out now, there really isn't much of a point.

Money or playing with a group of people I don't normally play with is the only time I'd carry scapes.

[pikachief]

oh once i had 2, got killed by dambarta, the dambarta was still going and killed me again before i could leave, then on my way to the crystal to go buy more i was megided!

i was mediged right after i was revived so i was still moving my camera around and i didnt see it so it wasnt my fault! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Davot]

On 2007-07-05 09:35, Rashiid wrote:
best excuse i heard; "i have one!! it didnt work!! its a glitch i swear!!'

Hey! Thats my excuse!

[Sakuya]

A level 80 dying without a scape is more of a "Damn I forgot I left them in my room after I finished soloing S2 missions for 4 hours."

Oh guess what, it does happen. And you know what, if you were actually level 80, you would understand how it was possible.

And if the group was entirely built of level 80's, all assumedly with max Class levels they need, then the only thing they might be shooting for would be S ranks, and fragments.

However, again, if you were a level 80, theres a damn good chance that you already have all your licensed photon arts as well.

[MayLee]

I always have at least 5 or more on me but there are times where I forget how many I had used up at one point. It happens and S and A rank weapons don't really matter

[imfanboy]

My main thing with scapes/no scapes is that it depends on the mission and on the team involved.

When you're running, say, Rainbow Beast S2 with a smaller group and no one has uber ice armor (or even good ice armor) then you'd have to be mentally defective to say, "Bring scapes or die!" because the reward you get simply doesn't add up to the expense of scapes you use, particularly in B4 with the uber Barta-spitting hordes of DOOM! Seriously, on a fortetecher with 34% ice I'm still taking like 400 damage a shot; I can't imagine what fortefighters and figunners go through.


Look at the economics of it. Even if PS2/PC still has a glut of money, do you really want to blow it all on scapes to earn PA Frags you can get more easily on story missions before AoI rolls around? Sursly. Wake up and think about it.

[DarkEliteRico]

usually forget to bring scapes back in because of doing suicide runs, i don't need the MP unless i wanna level up another job class....the PA frags still do me good. I still want the S rank if I'm doing missions with a team, the money sure helps and it's always good to help out others if they still need to work on their characters.

[Dragwind]

I think we need a no-scapes revolution XD

[MayLee]

On 2007-07-05 17:13, DRAGOUSCHRIS wrote:
I think we need a no-scapes revolution XD

I hink we had that..for one day

[Para]

lol i remember how Dj and I were farming for Jaggos and we sorta gave up stocking on scapes... Moon Atomizers suddenly seemed useful XD

On topic...

Sometimes I lose track of how many I have and accidentally die without one. Of course, I'll be polite and apologize.

However you do meet those jackasses who intentionally don't use scape dolls because of their ego.

Like some people said, its the nature of the mission and the goal to be achieved.

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[LS_Aksion]

in my view, the mere fact that Dolls cost 5000$ is way too unfair, cuz New players cant afford them earlier then other players will go "OMG YORU SUMPID N00B!!
WARNING! TRUCK-lOAD! WARNING! TRUCK-LOAD! right there already.

Seen it happen too much to new players they would just quit after that negative experiance. Online NEGATIVE is BAD SEGA @.@;;

its too unfair. Period

[imfanboy]

I like escorting newbs around, and bringing moons to revive them. It's fun. Yesterday I took a full party through to Dulk Fakis and we ripped him a new one. XD

[FUFME]

I have been guilty of 2 Occasions when dying once or twice and was out of scapes.

Either I was previously Soloing or after a mission just logged off and didnt replenish my stock and next time logged in and forgot to check.

Shit happens. Who gives a fuck anyway

[-Ryuki-]

How about a new choice?
"I don't want to spend unnecessary meseta
on something not entirely needed,
when I don't care for the mission reward."
Seriously. Why waste all that meseta on
Scapes, if your entire team is maxed in job
classes? Don't answer that. Certain missions
contradict that question.

[Jakosifer]

If someone in my team dies without scapes.

Step 1: Open my item pack
Step 2: Run over to dead person
Step 3: Use Moon Atomizer/X

Thats my reaction to a death w/o scape. I can't speak for the others I may be in a team with, but I couldn't care less about mission rank.

I myself carry 10 scapes at all time. Whether it be to feel completely safe or to give scapes to a team member who may need them on the field.

[WolfBlade]

Im not a noob but the only time I died in S2 mission is after an update, cuz we had about 15 min before an maintanace an were Fighting Fakis so dats use alot of dolls, right after we got our PA, MP, Money then the server shuts down, dat week only a quick maintance so I log back on, dint think about anything else except doin a mission.well u noe wat happen ten : ) lol n i got booted out like in 10 second,dint get to explain, but most people dat play this game r mean.

[Helly]

On 2007-07-05 17:41, RyukiZero wrote:
How about a new choice?
"I don't want to spend unnecessary meseta
on something not entirely needed,
when I don't care for the mission reward."
Seriously. Why waste all that meseta on
Scapes, if your entire team is maxed in job
classes? Don't answer that. Certain missions
contradict that question.

This pikachu speaks the truth.

I'm not one to advocate mission spamming but if ya want MP and to a slightly lesser extent, mesata, then go run the new Neudaiz mission a couple of times. Calling other people greedy and not-team players for not bringing scapes is kinda messed up. It's the people who want it all (S rank, rare items, exp, MP and mesata) that are greedy. I find it hard to bring and use up scapes in "regular" S2 missions but the ones on Moatoob are just way to much. If I ended up going through 10 Scape Dolls (50,000 mesata!) just for the team to get a dinky reward and next to no chance of a rare well I just wouldn't be having fun at all. -_-;;

[pikachief]

how bout this excuse!

"I thought they took out the death penalty already http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif"

[-Ryuki-]

On 2007-07-05 18:02, Helly wrote:

On 2007-07-05 17:41, RyukiZero wrote:
How about a new choice?
"I don't want to spend unnecessary meseta
on something not entirely needed,
when I don't care for the mission reward."
Seriously. Why waste all that meseta on
Scapes, if your entire team is maxed in job
classes? Don't answer that. Certain missions
contradict that question.

This pikachu speaks the truth.

I'm not one to advocate mission spamming but if ya want MP and to a slightly lesser extent, mesata, then go run the new Neudaiz mission a couple of times. Calling other people greedy and not-team players for not bringing scapes is kinda messed up. It's the people who want it all (S rank, rare items, exp, MP and mesata) that are greedy. I find it hard to bring and use up scapes in "regular" S2 missions but the ones on Moatoob are just way to much. If I ended up going through 10 Scape Dolls (50,000 mesata!) just for the team to get a dinky reward and next to no chance of a rare well I just wouldn't be having fun at all. -_-;;

Agreed. Desert Terror is like Urgent Orders.
The rewards/items aren't worth spending 50K per run (hypothetically speaking you used them all up per run, which is the case in many people's situations).

[Gojiro316]

Doesn't really bother me...Especially if it's someone I usually play with..I'll let it slide. Hell, I've come back from doin' the Hive and forgot to pick some up in a rush to meet up with everybody..Do 6 runs without dying and then "Oh *%&$! I forgot my scapes." If you really wanna be totally l33t about the whole thing..You should solve the whole problem by NOT dying. I like the scapes as much as anyone as a safety net, but if you wanna freak out that much about it, just play with ppl that never die.

[Nobo]

I've died without a scape twice and both for the same reason. I died by dambarta with one scape left and came back inside of the ice again. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_beer.gif

[Shishi-O]

On 2007-07-05 18:47, Nobo wrote:
I've died without a scape twice and both for the same reason. I died by dambarta with one scape left and came back inside of the ice again. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_beer.gif

openning an old wound, i have had that happen to me, but losing 3 scapes and dying, with a fucking tecker right there casting zonde,...

not even by megid, that i would understand, but by ice!!!

he was right there

well anyway, they obviously weren't paying attention, but they got all talkative.

my mic was not working so i couldn't scream on him,

that same teams leader booted him and asked in the lobby for a techer that heals people, we lost like 8 scapes people were dropping like flies and he was casting zonde.