Beast Acrotecher in the future. Am i mad?

[ChaosAngel92]

Hello to all. Here another of my stupid doubts that i can concibe. Well, here it goes, time ago i sawed a post called "Why Acrotecher is only for Newman and Human" or something like that. To be honest, i didnt read it, but right now its making noise on my head. I know, we have to wait eons for AoI, but i want to get ready, also because Neudiaz hotspot is a great quick builder. So basicly my doubts is this, how about a beast for an acrotecher? There are important points i want to state here:

1)Im doing because style, really. Before AoI i thought that Beast Females were the most horrible thing in the world. But after i sawed the Casino Girl, i went like OMFG. So yes, actually, i will try to recreate her, or something very similar to her. Once again, pure style.

2)Im thinking on combining it with Fortegunner, Wartecher, Protranser too maybe? Guntecher fits perfect too!

3) I have never experienced NAnoblast, and i want to try it at least once.

4) CASINO GIRL MAKES ME MAD!!!! Oh wait, i already said that, well no problem. Its good to point it again.

5) I already have a character (lvl 20 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif) that wants to be (yeah, they are ALIVE >_>) a Fortegunner and Protranser already! Not to mention Guntecher.

So lets concluiding all. A beast, FO and RA together? Come on, in my point of view its like giving a sword to a gunslinger http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif

As you can see i have to much troubles with all this, ummm, oganisation of PSU. And this si form the first time. There is something that makes my head trouble itself, other thing. I dont know why, but i cant conceive 2 of my characters with same weapon. As an example, lets say "X" character has a build based on Twin Sabers, so the character "Y" never EVER uses twin sabers. I hate these damn circles, and this kind of things is that dont make me fuly entretain of PSU.

Some time back a friend told me "Hey, why dit troubles you so much that 2 characters use the same weapon?". He said that when PSU was realeased, and till now, after almost 1 year, is impossible to answer his question.

I need some help here, yeah, the topic could have a better name like, "PSU Organisation" or something else, but i decided to leave it with this name because the beast and acrotecher situation was the root of all evil.

Another thing, yeah hate me moderators, maybe you say this goes on the other PSU section. But i consider that it goes here.

If you readede all this and you said, wtf? Here is a brief of all. Im asking the answers to the following questions.

A)Beast and Acrotecher?
B)Solution to my problem on organisation? That you can found up here.

PD: NO CAST, NO HUMAN, NO NEWMAN. Its Beast or nothing, i think..... Well definitible, not CAST.



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[ChaosAngel92]

Oh yeah, another important point that i didnt write! HER MAIN WEAPON SHOULD BE THE WHIP! But a rifle and a shotgun can be decent too. Just imagine wich weapons should use the casino girl.

[Kion]

i don't understand 100% ofwhat you're talking about but I'll venture a reply.

1)Sexy beast girls + S rank whips = win! (you're right on target with that one)
2)Trying to multi-class too much can spread you thin. Luckly in AoI you'll be able to write over PA's and keep the level when you re-learn it.
3)Nanoblasts are fun, look forward to it.
4) casino girl is hot, i believe that's already been expressed many times on this forum.
5) anyways...

Yeah, beast will make a fine Acrotecher depending on how you use it. Considering the class gets insane buffs the extra hp, atp and def should work fine with the class. Techniques might eb an issue but leveled, combined with equipment and play style, you can make it work.

[Mayu]

um I'll say

It's your game do what you want

[Syl]

On 2007-07-07 00:08, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:

It's your game do what you want



Pretty explanatory, I mean I was getting bashed back when Cast fT was unheard of, but I kept doing it cause it was fun so yeah <_<

[ChaosAngel92]

On 2007-07-07 00:08, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
um I'll say

It's your game do what you want



The problem is that i dont let me to do what i want, There is the example of the X and Y character and win sabers.

[Sekani]

This is the thread you were talking about. (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=140122&forum=22) Over ten pages of stat whores saying with every ounce of their being that beast acrotechers are insta-fail. Psh, like they know anything.

[Alisha]

it seems like AT will be a front line mage so if you go beast i think you will be missing out on what i think will be one of the defining stats of acrotecher-Evasion

[ChaosAngel92]

On 2007-07-07 00:18, Sekani wrote:
This is the thread you were talking about. (http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=140122&forum=22) Over ten pages of stat whores saying with every ounce of their being that beast acrotechers are insta-fail. Psh, like they know anything.



Thank you very much.



On 2007-07-07 00:23, Alisha wrote:
it seems like AT will be a front line mage so if you go beast i think you will be missing out on what i think will be one of the defining stats of acrotecher-Evasion



Yeah, same as Humans sucks on stats, same as CAST have horrid TP and MST. I know i sound like i care too much fir the stats, but i dont really. Thank you very much anyway, is important to state that point out.

[Serephim]

You arnt Mad persay, but your character will definately phail.

As far as i know it Acro classes (Acrotecher anyway) is a Human/Newman class. Other classes stats dont seem to excel as well as it would as a Human or Newman.

[-Ryuki-]

Beasts are better at Teching than they are at Ranging.
That's a fact.

[ChaosAngel92]

Ok guys, right now i think i got a conclusion, since new face, new haircuts and etc come on AoI. Its impossible to think this girl now. I want to play with her now, but for much as i try to "build" her, i cant. Sigh, this is getting me out of my nerves. Oh yeah about the topic author on that topic i mentioned, yeah, im begginng to think is kind of a.....lame topic? I dont know how to describe it. Also there is something important, when AoI come up, the users wont care if they are Human, Beast, newman, cast, insects semi-gods, donkeys or whatever. the only think they will want is to sling that damn whip.

[Mayu]

On 2007-07-07 00:15, ChaosAngel92 wrote:

On 2007-07-07 00:08, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
um I'll say

It's your game do what you want



The problem is that i dont let me to do what i want, There is the example of the X and Y character and win sabers.

Then kill your self o.o! <.<

[ChaosAngel92]

On 2007-07-07 00:35, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:

On 2007-07-07 00:15, ChaosAngel92 wrote:

On 2007-07-07 00:08, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
um I'll say

It's your game do what you want



The problem is that i dont let me to do what i want, There is the example of the X and Y character and win sabers.

Then kill your self o.o! <.<



First i have to sling that whip!

[Criss]

On 2007-07-07 00:31, RyukiZero wrote:
Beasts are better at Teching than they are at Ranging.
That's a fact.

And here I go, outdamaging most people with reliable accuracy using ranged weapons. Supported by some techs.

Just because a race is better at one thing doesn't mean it can't do anything else. So really, don't bother with stats. My female beast has the lowest possible ATA in the game, and makes a fine GT. I say go for the looks. Pick whatever race you think looks best, then whatever class you feel like playing the most.

[Sekani]

On 2007-07-07 00:31, RyukiZero wrote:
Beasts are better at Teching than they are at Ranging.
That's a fact.


No it isn't.

[BloodDragoon]

It's your character, play and build it your way and ignore the inevitable peanut gallery comments from stuck up elitists and stat-whores...

[ChaosAngel92]

On 2007-07-07 00:42, Criss wrote:

On 2007-07-07 00:31, RyukiZero wrote:
Beasts are better at Teching than they are at Ranging.
That's a fact.

And here I go, outdamaging most people with reliable accuracy using ranged weapons. Supported by some techs.

Just because a race is better at one thing doesn't mean it can't do anything else. So really, don't bother with stats. My female beast has the lowest possible ATA in the game, and makes a fine GT. I say go for the looks. Pick whatever race you think looks best, then whatever class you feel like playing the most.



Same thing cross my mind sometimes. Plauers who build their characetrs to be the ones who most solo or the ones that most deal damage. There is the other type of players who build their character just to design a character or to be the best looking. Both of them have great fun eh?

[ChaosAngel92]

On 2007-07-07 00:51, BloodDragoon wrote:
It's your character, play and build it your way and ignore the inevitable peanut gallery comments from stuck up elitists and stat-whores...



Yeah this is something like movie critics. I mean, i apreacciate all the help, but well, yeah. And other thing, if its true that the my cowgirl will combo with WT too, then it isnt so bad after all (according to the topic i mentioned before).

Sigh, ni think im so close to get some peace to my soul and mind and sleep well. Just one doubt only, im really too desesperate but, should i create it now, or wait till AoI ><?! What i dont want is to create her now and when AoI comes, recreate her. Just to let you know, i have rcreated, ummmm, like 7 characters around 20-30 because i dont like this or that in their face. Didint these SEGA guys mentioned something of a face editable mode on AoI?

[ChaosAngel92]

IDIOT! (That goes for me)

Did i ever noted that WT gets a whip too? Not S rank but a whip. The unqiue "anti-cowgirl" is that there isnt the twin handguns. Im so obssesioned with the spagetti western, oh god, please help me.

[Allison_W]

That beast ATs will be insta-fail is just plain crap. That they won't be optimal, however, I don't doubt--compare it more to playing a newman Fortefighter and less to using your face as an object with which to smother a grease fire.

You'll definitely take a hit in offensive teching, but you should still be perfectly serviceable at the AT's forte, support teching, considering that the only support tech that's affected by TP is Resta and you can raise that to 50 if you have problems healing someone to full. You'll also take an evasion hit, which could be a problem. However, you'll get HP and melee damage boosts, and the class's ATA will help to make up for racial ATA deficiency. (The problem some seem to have is that the AT gets only L20 skills and a cruddy ATP mod, whereas it gets L30 techs and a decent TP mod, which would seem to indicate the class is designed for teching over melee.)

I think you'll be fine as long as you accept a change in playstyle from the class's "baseline"--probably not all that big a change when you consider it won't affect the class's first and foremost ability a whole helluva lot. It will only affect the nature of your survivability (HP up, EVP down) and how you carry out your secondary roles of backup damage dealer/backup SE dealer. A beast AT will naturally gain in melee damage and lose in teching damage--as such, you'll likely be better off using your melee attacks to deal damage and SEs (remember, kids: whips) instead of your attack techs. You may lose in overall DPS, considering your primary form of offense is being switched from one for which your class gets a higher PA cap and stat mod to one for which it gets a lesser PA cap and stat mod, but I would remind you that melee tends to do more damage than techs anyway. At my best guess, you'll gain in damage over tech-resistant monsters and monsters with multiple hitboxes, and lose in damage over melee-resistant monsters and big single-target monsters best handled with Foie or Diga. Kind of like how you'll gain in survivability against attacks that EVP doesn't help against, and probably lose a little against attacks that EVP does help against.

RECAP:
Most important point: Choosing beast for an AT doesn't much affect the class's primary role, just its secondary!
Estimated Advantages: gain in DPS on tech-resistant and multiple-hitbox monsters; better survivability against attacks that can't be dodged.
Estimated Disadvantages: loss of DPS on monsters that are melee-resistant and/or are big things with only one hitbox and/or are just plain unsafe to melee; need for expensive elemental weapons; loss of EVP.
Recommended Change in Secondary Roles: Favour melee attacks for damage in most situations; favour whips for spreading SEs.

*breathes*

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[Shiro_Ryuu]

Oh, I see now, you want a female beast, twin handguns, and a whip all in one? Well, you'd mind as well just go with Beast Acrotecher.

I personally don't care much for stats, for the most part, looks > stats. I mean, if you see CAST Fortetechers, I don't see why you shouldn't pick a Beast Acrotecher.

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[Kion]

Also aren't the classes being rebalanced to make each race more even?

[-Ryuki-]

Beasts are good at Ranging. Fact.
>.>

[Allison_W]

On 2007-07-07 03:33, RyukiZero wrote:
Beasts are good at Ranging. Fact.
>.>



Given ranged weapons use ATP for damage, this is often true. With AT's ATA mod, a beast should be able to use handguns, twin handguns, and cards and do reasonably well with them. I know I sure wouldn't give up my beast FI's guns, and they get a poorer ATA mod than ATs are predicted to.

[Miyoko]

On 2007-07-07 03:44, Allison_W wrote:

On 2007-07-07 03:33, RyukiZero wrote:
Beasts are good at Ranging. Fact.
>.>



Given ranged weapons use ATP for damage, this is often true. With AT's ATA mod, a beast should be able to use handguns, twin handguns, and cards and do reasonably well with them. I know I sure wouldn't give up my beast FI's guns, and they get a poorer ATA mod than ATs are predicted to.


You generally don't use most ranged weapons for ATP based damage, however...

[Gryffin]

Erm.

Won't it just be a challenge?

[Allison_W]

On 2007-07-07 03:57, Miyoko wrote:

On 2007-07-07 03:44, Allison_W wrote:

On 2007-07-07 03:33, RyukiZero wrote:
Beasts are good at Ranging. Fact.
>.>



Given ranged weapons use ATP for damage, this is often true. With AT's ATA mod, a beast should be able to use handguns, twin handguns, and cards and do reasonably well with them. I know I sure wouldn't give up my beast FI's guns, and they get a poorer ATA mod than ATs are predicted to.


You generally don't use most ranged weapons for ATP based damage, however...



Depends on the situation--but for ATs, I would say that's about what they're good for. I know that the stereotype is that ranged combatants should only use their weapons for SE delivery. Some ranged weapons actually are very good at this, but the idea that ranged weapons are not for damage is a crock of horse shit carried by flying pigs to the meadows where unicorns frolic and drink LSD martinis. You know, bullshit. Twin handguns, for instance, are not designed for primary SE delivery, but for ranged damage, i.e., against flyers. Same with cards and, to some extent, handguns--an AT can get up to SE3 on handguns, but it seems rather pointless when they have both whips and L30 techs for SE-spreading.

[Dragwind]

On 2007-07-07 03:33, RyukiZero wrote:
Beasts are good at Ranging. Fact.
>.>



They're decent enough to work with high acc weapons, yes. Use a grenade launcher, and you'll see why other classes need the higher ata. Grenade launchers are a big part of playing fG effectively as well. (that is, if fG is the type at hand)

[Pillan]

I wouldn’t give up on Beast and Cast Acrotecher. Even though it has level 20 skills, it also has level 50 shifta. Adding a 30% multiplier to skills that only gain 10-30% growth over the next 20 levels says you’re as well off as anyone who has level 40 skills (note that 1.1x1.3 > 1.1+0.3; the lower ATP and lack of strong melee weapons actually balances that fact). That and techniques don’t do nearly as much damage as people give them credit for. The average melee PA strikes twice for every tick of a dam- spell, meaning you’re getting 3 or 4 hits between everything else. (Yes, I know AT has a faster cast time, but it’s not fast enough to give you anything faster than 1 tech per second.) So as long as your weapon is doing more than half the damage per hit of a dam- or gi- tech, you’re by far better off.

As far as EVP goes, well, try Beast fT and party with a Newman fT to see who blocks more. I’m sure you won’t notice the difference as I can just barely see one as Caseal fT (and, even then, I only see the difference on low ATA attacks like the Polovorha ground pound, which I block most of the time anyway). AT only has 10% more EVP than fT, but the difference might be a little more significant with buffs though still not enough to discourage that play style.

So, yeah, you lose out on technique damage, but you gain more than enough melee to balance it out. I don’t see why people assume a class has to use techniques for damage just because it ends in -techer, especially with all of its offensive stats in the moderate range.


On the Beast gunner note, Beasts are clearly superior to humans and Newmans with the ATA saturated weapons (bows and cards) and are a bit better with the mid-ATA range weapons (handguns, twin handguns, rifles) just because ATA and ATP are inversely proportional with race outside of Casts and the ATA difference is smaller than the ATP (with PA and class multipliers taken into account).



On 2007-07-07 06:04, Allison_W wrote:
Depends on the situation--but for ATs, I would say that's about what they're good for. I know that the stereotype is that ranged combatants should only use their weapons for SE delivery. Some ranged weapons actually are very good at this, but the idea that ranged weapons are not for damage is a crock of horse shit carried by flying pigs to the meadows where unicorns frolic and drink LSD martinis. You know, bullshit. Twin handguns, for instance, are not designed for primary SE delivery, but for ranged damage, i.e., against flyers. Same with cards and, to some extent, handguns--an AT can get up to SE3 on handguns, but it seems rather pointless when they have both whips and L30 techs for SE-spreading.


A little note on that: though cards have a lower SE level than most techniques at 21+, they also get 4-8 shots per technique. And, obviously, SE 2 x 5 (cards) or SE 3 x 3.2 (handguns) is better than the SE 3 x 1-4 you’re getting with a technique.

But I do agree with you entirely that cards are a much better damage-spam gun than effect spam. They’re great for flying and single-target enemies with opposite element.

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[Niloklives]

classes are not being rebalanced - Lyrise translated the page for us and revealed that it was element modifiers that were being retuned - So that point is moot.

As far as the Beast AT thing...you have HP ot make up for your lower MST and EVP. Will it come out as a wash? likely not, but nothing a little extra running around won't solve.

And the rest has more or less been said: You'll miss more in melee and ranged, but likely more than make up for it in damage; Melee and ranged combat will likely be your avenue for damage output than techs, but by what it seems you want to do, this is a good thing; Tech damage won't be horrible and since your bigger concerns will likely be support, nothing here to be worried about.

once AoI comes out and you can make her just as you like, don't give it a second thought. make her and have fun...just not too much fun x.x

[ChaosAngel92]

Thank you Allison_W. And thank you Pillan. Yeah look, i was wondering something. Probably the topic is has a wrong name. Prolly the correct name was "Beast using S rank whips? Am i mad?"
Why? I dont care for support techs on AT. I dont care the damage or yarararara. The only thing i want my cowgirl beast go for AT is for the S rank whips, nothing more nothing less. What i mean is, i never decided to make her on a future an AT because of the techs, or because of all the rest nice stuff you have said to me.
But the problem is that the unique job that get S rank whips is AT.

[Lonzell]

On 2007-07-06 23:52, ChaosAngel92 Topic:
Beast Acrotecher in the future. Am i mad?


Madness? This... is.... PSO WORLD!!!!

[Pillan]

On 2007-07-07 10:08, ChaosAngel92 wrote:
Thank you Allison_W. And thank you Pillan. Yeah look, i was wondering something. Probably the topic is has a wrong name. Prolly the correct name was "Beast using S rank whips? Am i mad?"
Why? I dont care for support techs on AT. I dont care the damage or yarararara. The only thing i want my cowgirl beast go for AT is for the S rank whips, nothing more nothing less. What i mean is, i never decided to make her on a future an AT because of the techs, or because of all the rest nice stuff you have said to me.
But the problem is that the unique job that get S rank whips is AT.



Then just make one for the S whips. Nothing else really matters if that's all you care about.

[Lonzell]

AY BAY BAY! There differently needs to be a "Call me queen" whip PA

[Niloklives]

x.X he's going to be getting kicked from a lot of groups if that's all hes going to do

[DaRkWoLf30]

They will be fine, AT in the new WT, Thats why it need 3 hunter and 5 force.

[Miyoko]

On 2007-07-07 10:08, ChaosAngel92 wrote:
Thank you Allison_W. And thank you Pillan. Yeah look, i was wondering something. Probably the topic is has a wrong name. Prolly the correct name was "Beast using S rank whips? Am i mad?"
Why? I dont care for support techs on AT. I dont care the damage or yarararara. The only thing i want my cowgirl beast go for AT is for the S rank whips, nothing more nothing less. What i mean is, i never decided to make her on a future an AT because of the techs, or because of all the rest nice stuff you have said to me.
But the problem is that the unique job that get S rank whips is AT.



Pretty much the entire point of an AT is support techs... Not using them on any race of AT is a really, really bad idea. I don't support the idea of a beast AT, BUT, a lot of support techs don't really rely to heavily on TP, so you could still get away with going beast AT. Shifta, deband, zodial, retier, jellen, zalure, zodeel, all of these don't rely on TP, so your race doesn't matter for them (and as an AT, they should be heavily focused on.)

Why WOULDN'T you care for them is beyond me, since they'll make your whipping more effective.

(Also, I'm surprised Itsuki-chan hasn't come and raged at this thread yet ;p)

[xennec]

Play however you want. This game is about customization and learning how to use it effectively. I dont know about 360, but on PC/PS2 most people are accepting of all race/class combos. If you plan on only using whip, dont go AT, go WT. WT will have higher ATP and you won't have to worry about buffing/debuffing to match damage. Now I'm not saying buffs are useless for a WT, but for damage, its more important for AT. Although, if you do plan on using techs, especially support, AT is the way to go.

Now please don't take this in any wrong way, I'm not trying to sound mean with this next comment. I forsee MANY people recreating the casino girl so If you care about individuality I'd say don't remake her exactly the same. Maybe switch up the clothing color (yeah I know you want that outfit), hair style/color, facial features. Although if you really want to remake her exactly feel free to go ahead, I'm not trying to put that down at all.

I must say though I think there will be a lot of males playing whip girls running around trying to seduce male avatars. At least to me this will get annoying VERY fast. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bondage.gif

And yeah Miyoko, I too am surprised that Itsuki has not "visited" this page yet.

[Lonzell]

On 2007-07-07 14:53, xennec wrote:
Play however you want. This game is about customization and learning how to use it effectively. I dont know about 360, but on PC/PS2 most people are accepting of all race/class combos. If you plan on only using whip, dont go AT, go WT. WT will have higher ATP and you won't have to worry about buffing/debuffing to match damage. Now I'm not saying buffs are useless for a WT, but for damage, its more important for AT. Although, if you do plan on using techs, especially support, AT is the way to go.

Now please don't take this in any wrong way, I'm not trying to sound mean with this next comment. I forsee MANY people recreating the casino girl so If you care about individuality I'd say don't remake her exactly the same. Maybe switch up the clothing color (yeah I know you want that outfit), hair style/color, facial features. Although if you really want to remake her exactly feel free to go ahead, I'm not trying to put that down at all.

I must say though I think there will be a lot of males playing whip girls running around trying to seduce male avatars. At least to me this will get annoying VERY fast. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bondage.gif

And yeah Miyoko, I too am surprised that Itsuki has not "visited" this page yet.



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CALL ME QUEEN! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bondage.gif

[Flwl3ssCowboy]

On 2007-07-07 10:14, Lonzell wrote:

On 2007-07-06 23:52, ChaosAngel92 Topic:
Beast Acrotecher in the future. Am i mad?


Madness? This... is.... PSO WORLD!!!!



good thing i checked the rest of the posts >.>

I was gunna say "Mad? No, you're SPARTAN"

bleh 300 is almost killed

[Lonzell]

On 2007-07-07 15:10, Flwl3ssCowboy wrote:

On 2007-07-07 10:14, Lonzell wrote:

On 2007-07-06 23:52, ChaosAngel92 Topic:
Beast Acrotecher in the future. Am i mad?


Madness? This... is.... PSO WORLD!!!!



good thing i checked the rest of the posts >.>

I was gunna say "Mad? No, you're SPARTAN"

bleh 300 is almost killed



Someone had to say it.

A BAY BAY!