Rebalance: is it really good?

[Slace2k3]

Ok, so now some of the mission have been rebalance, is it really for the good? Exp: I have just played through system defense S2 (mind you I had one too many of the happy drink), yet I have got through without a death, is it really too easy now? what do you all think of this change?



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[TheLOLBandit]

i think they are to short now, easy aswell, but they are still fun,

as for exp wise less enemies means less exp

[Gryffin]

Short answer:


Yes.

[Umberger]

Well, I like that Demons Above was rebalanced because it makes Har / Quick hunts a little easier/faster/less boring. I think certain missions didn't really need rebalancing, but it doesn't bother me. There are plenty of places to go to get pretty good experience.

[ryvius]

It's a tad insulting, but the fact that I soloed DT S2 in 31 minutes makes the boss drops there feel at least a little more possible.

[Akaimizu]

I hardly notice much difference in Valley of Carnage, though. Even though they did say they rebalanced it. I think perhaps a bit more end-of-mission reward, but it seems hardly adjusted.

[Almighty_Envy]

After the 3* week is up i need to spam for that Har/Quick

I think the re-balancing was nice though

[Zorafim]

I can solo for a skela. How is that not good?

Though I have to ask. How is Rainbow Beast now? Will I have an easier time getting a Fuka? Can fortefighters solo it yet?

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[BahnKnakyu]

The missions are shorter and less monotonous to go through.

Things can be solo'd and be done within a reasonable amount of time.

I say yes. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Jakosifer]

The rebalance on Desert Terror SUCKS. >_>

[Helly]

On 2007-07-15 01:10, Jakomay_07 wrote:
The rebalance on Desert Terror SUCKS. >_>

Well the first block of it finally gives us the extra mode map from the tunnel mission. The second block stays the same map-wise but stink for less bots, more annoying Endrum-CASTs and less Grinne's. Haven't noticed the Bugges but I only went through it twice so far.

[Niloklives]

I think you're thinking of desert goliath

[Mayu]

Exp runs: Rebalanced - NUUUU :_: ~Cries~

Hunting Boss and such - Yes http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Para]

On 2007-07-15 02:21, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
Exp runs: Rebalanced - NUUUU :_: ~Cries~

Hunting Boss and such - Yes http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Yeah hunting bosses like Dimmagolus has gotten easier now.

[Para]

On 2007-07-15 02:21, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
Exp runs: Rebalanced - NUUUU :_: ~Cries~

Hunting Boss and such - Yes http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Yeah hunting bosses like Dimmagolus has gotten easier now.

[landman]

lol five posts

I don't like it, they should have add missions (for example: Desert Terror Dog version or something) and left the original ones the same way, now we have lost some of the missions we enjoyed and suffered in our first days in the game...

[Soukosa]

Better than when Gravity "rebalanced" the maps on RO. Basically they redid the spawns of all the maps. 90% of them came out worse than before, alot of those far far worse.

I do like what they did with things though, for the ones I checked out at least. The tweaks to the moatoob ones that make it easier to get meta hard materials is definite improvement.

[SaiSpagS]

Chances of getting Gur Bazga and Bil De Axe just lowered a lot.

[Sylpheed]

Iv'e only played two runs of Sleeping Warriors on S2 since the rebalncing, and i can honestly say WHAT THE F***? i thought i was doing an S run. The mobs are now stupidly easy, ffs ST were not retarded we would like a CHALLENGE. Were not all losers who cant handle the game.

[Rashiid]

Labs S2 = C run to another lobby.

im gonna be filthy rich once i hit 90.

[Alamar]

did they do the Hive also? I have been seeing 0 damage sometimes. Like they raised the evade of some monsters in there. anyone else notice this. usually when I use my axe.

[Rashiid]

axe. nuff said.

[Alamar]

well ya the axe lol good point end question.

[PALRAPPYS]

How is Labs S2 now? If it's really easier then... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

Could be good for the low lv55+'s.

[Rashiid]

i did it in 14min w/ 2 Lv57s; a 69 and 2 80's; 4 of which were figuns.

yes Lan. yes.

[PALRAPPYS]

On 2007-07-15 08:42, Rashiid wrote:
i did it in 14min w/ 2 Lv57s; a 69 and 2 80's; 4 of which were figuns.

yes Lan. yes.




Wewt

Now I can probably do it as Malsa much easier now. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Para]

I blame the site for the 5 post consecutive posts -_-

[Cz]

i didnt like the rebalance for Desert Terror. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Dragwind]

Meh, I'm neutral on this matter. Sure, missions are easier and faster, but if you still spend the same time , the result is identical.

[panzer_unit]

How the hell are you supposed to get a Gur Bazga now? I haven't seen a single Dura Gora in Terror runs since the rebalance. There's a common variation on the first map that has tons of Bils, so at least axe hunting is ok.

BTW have a look at Tunnel Recapture some time. Less worms, WAY more battles vs 3 Dura Gora... too bad they're lv95 q.q, probably an awesome mission for XP tho. System Defense is a hella fun mission now, too bad no chance of S-ranks >_<



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[Golto]

Anyone run into rare monsters on the rebalanced missions?

[Nobo]

On 2007-07-15 01:10, Jakomay_07 wrote:
The rebalance on Desert Terror SUCKS. >_>


Does it still give 22K?

[Sekani]

On 2007-07-16 06:33, Golto wrote:
Anyone run into rare monsters on the rebalanced missions?


Not sure if Sleeping Warriors was modified or not, but we're starting to wonder if the rare spawns that we know of still exist.

[Zero-mx]

Well, if its easier to hunt, then I'm all for it. I seem to have trouble soloing or finding a good group.

[Uncle_bob]

Vandas are still too strong, their diga is harder to dodge now too. But Deljabans and pannons are a fucking joke now. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Kion]

Mine defense is not the place to hunt for giga bullet save anymore. They took out most of the vandas and replaced them with lapuchas which are freaking annoying for gunners, and the easy block 2 indicater lapuchas or vandas is no more.
So i would guess; yeah, the rare enemy spawns could have been changed.

As for the slower enemies. Full parties are really boring now. I find it's alot more fun running in smaller 2-4 person parties which works well with the ps2/pc population. And the less enemies for more money kind of makes it possible to actually afford things in players shops by running missions.

[Notos]

Hate the rebalance. It seems like they're trying to turn everything into de regan difficulty.

[Alamar]

Desert goliath was good before. They made it harder now I think. Was my favorite run, they messed it up in my opinion. I'll still run it Goliath is a fun run no matter

[Mayu]

o.0 they did?

How much beta's still there ;p?

[A2K]

On 2007-07-16 06:08, panzer_unit wrote:
How the hell are you supposed to get a Gur Bazga now? I haven't seen a single Dura Gora in Terror runs since the rebalance. There's a common variation on the first map that has tons of Bils, so at least axe hunting is ok.

BTW have a look at Tunnel Recapture some time. Less worms, WAY more battles vs 3 Dura Gora... too bad they're lv95 q.q, probably an awesome mission for XP tho. System Defense is a hella fun mission now, too bad no chance of S-ranks >_<

There's a variation of Desert Terror now with six or nine so Drua Gohra in Block 3.

[Alamar]

well in Desert Goliath they have a lot more of the missle shooting robots and less Grinnas. that would be ok but I do have a problem with standing there shooting one and 3 missles appear out of no where and hit you. You can't see the robots at all they are that far away but they can hit you. I don't have a problem with I see them they see me so each is fair game. But when you don't see anything at all except missles flying that sux. But Like I said Goliath was always a fun run. Plus BB drops there lol.

[Para]

On 2007-07-16 09:47, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
o.0 they did?

How much beta's still there ;p?

about 5-7 i think and theyre all at block 2 in the final room now. Block 1 has no betes whatsoever.

[Jakosifer]

Oh and Desert Goliath is horribly gimped now too. I swear we didn't encounter Grinnas until the last block it seemed. -_-;

[Golto]

On 2007-07-16 09:51, A2K wrote:

On 2007-07-16 06:08, panzer_unit wrote:
How the hell are you supposed to get a Gur Bazga now? I haven't seen a single Dura Gora in Terror runs since the rebalance. There's a common variation on the first map that has tons of Bils, so at least axe hunting is ok.

BTW have a look at Tunnel Recapture some time. Less worms, WAY more battles vs 3 Dura Gora... too bad they're lv95 q.q, probably an awesome mission for XP tho. System Defense is a hella fun mission now, too bad no chance of S-ranks >_<

There's a variation of Desert Terror now with six or nine so Drua Gohra in Block 3.



6 total in b3, 3 sets of 2. But I did run into a spawn pattern where Dura Goras were in b1 and b2. Maybe 8 in total. B1 was the base map and nothing but Navals and Dura Goras.

[Dragwind]

Wow, this must suck for those who write out the data sheets and spawns. I feel your pain. This also flushes my stored knowledge of spawns and stuff down the drain. =

[Jife_Jifremok]

On 2007-07-16 06:33, Golto wrote:
Anyone run into rare monsters on the rebalanced missions?



I ran into a rappy spawn in Sleeping Warriors S2, with the expected Orgdus spawn afterwards.

[Golto]

Thanks Jife but Sleeping Warriors was not one of the missions that had spawn changes.

[Soukosa]

Yes, Mine Defense isn't godly for hunting Jaggos anymore. I got the block 2 spawn earlier with nothing but Vanda through out it only there were no Jaggos at the end before the Kogs.

[Mayu]

On 2007-07-16 10:18, Para wrote:

On 2007-07-16 09:47, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
o.0 they did?

How much beta's still there ;p?

about 5-7 i think and theyre all at block 2 in the final room now. Block 1 has no betes whatsoever.

~CRIES~ Oh well... At least ummm Tero stuff is easy to sorta get now

[Para]

On 2007-07-16 18:40, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:

On 2007-07-16 10:18, Para wrote:

On 2007-07-16 09:47, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
o.0 they did?

How much beta's still there ;p?

about 5-7 i think and theyre all at block 2 in the final room now. Block 1 has no betes whatsoever.

~CRIES~ Oh well... At least ummm Tero stuff is easy to sorta get now

I guess but who does stuff for Tero these days? =/ the rage is all about s rank boards.

[Deus-Irae]

On 2007-07-16 18:38, Sounomi wrote:
Yes, Mine Defense isn't godly for hunting Jaggos anymore. I got the block 2 spawn earlier with nothing but Vanda through out it only there were no Jaggos at the end before the Kogs.



evil! :/

[Para]

On 2007-07-16 18:47, Deus-Irae wrote:

On 2007-07-16 18:38, Sounomi wrote:
Yes, Mine Defense isn't godly for hunting Jaggos anymore. I got the block 2 spawn earlier with nothing but Vanda through out it only there were no Jaggos at the end before the Kogs.



evil! :/

so mine defense's rare spawn got changed?

[bloodflowers]

I want to know why they felt the need to gimp the game so heavily. Hardly worth removing the death penalty (thankfully not on the 360 rev yet) when there's almost no chance of death for even moderately competant players.

I even liked the mass of Grinna Betas in Desert Goliath, that mission felt epic by the time the boss was reached. If they think making them easier will make people run them more - NO, IT WON'T - they'll still run the labs for the money (especially now they're even easier). The only way to get people into those missions is increase the drop rate slightly, to give them hope. The difficulty was never the problem, the futility was. In my opinion anyway..

[RappyRobot]

As much as I like soloing and rare hunting...I'm afraid that this will lead to tons of locked parties and barely anyone to party with http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif
Easier is not always better http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif It gets boring quickly

[Golto]

I finally got Jaggos on system defense. B1 was the pit map and had 5 vandas then 3 or so vandas + 2 navals in the pit. B2 was Naval + Jishagara can't remember the numbers though. Jaggos appeared in B2 after the Jishagaras+ Navals.

[Astarin]

The rare maps on The Eastern Peril have also been completely changed, I can confirm.

Previously, if you got Ageetas at the start of both blocks, you'd have Rappies for sure. That is no longer the case.

Other than just mucking with spawn patterns, there isn't really a big change to this map. Maps with Ollakas seem to be less common, which I love, because the little buggers are annoying to kill as a fT. And it's still a 100% worm-free mission, so I like that. Otherwise, it's not really much easier, just... different.

[Sexy_Raine]

As for Rare spawn on VOC, I will confirm this. The first block will have lapuchas. It's the one with 2 bridges, one up, and one to the right in the 1st room with enemies. 2nd block is the first open area will have 2 Nads, but they only appear one at a time. All
Vandas are charged ones in that first area. This will give you Jaggo's in the second open area

And, on topic to the JPN players before the stupid rebalancing, did that new mission at the Oasis always have that few of enemies? I was pretty dissapointed. What was it like for the rebalancing, if any? I hope the other other boss mission for Zoulgoug does not get this treatment.




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[chibiLegolas]

Hmm...
Guess they just made boss drop hunting easier and solo friendly. The rebalance seems like a curse and a blessing at the same time.
Yay! Better solo possibilities when rare hunting!
Too bad I'd most likely fall asleep while solo'n.
^_^'