i need your opinion on carriguine rucar

[Shishi-O]

i have heard that it is a crap wep??

but looking at it's stats, it looks pretty good and is huntable atm

it seems like the only double saber to be within my reach that even grinding a nightwalker to +10 can't reach.

wich is why i don't go after sweet death...5 grinds on a nightwalker beats it, wich is easy enough on a 3 star day.

so to the thread.

1) why have i heard people call it a piece of shit?

2) with an atp of 392, why have i heard people say the only thing it has going for it is 615 pp??

so please enlighten me.

on 7/30 when i return to the states, that is what i will be looking for.

[Cz]

PP recharge of only 2 per tick. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

it is good weapon though, i am not complaining about it. I love that weapon if only i can get one myself. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



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[gundam0079]

only thing bad abou it it has crap ata and is insanley hard ot make

[Mayu]

Decent - -

1: ALOT of PP is one of the main parts of this weapon

2: The looks, well yeah it looks pretty o.0

3: LOW ATA <.< Horrible

4: Decent atp <.<

5: 37% base chance? oh ow hmm.... rather buy a ''hacked''one http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Rashiid]

they say its shiit cauz they dont have one.

[majan]

matter of play style.if you want to deal with crappy ata synth rates and so-so atp,then go ahead and hunt it.614 pp though?thats decent.youll get a lot of damage out of that weapon even if it isnt the strongest doublesaber available.

[Mayu]

I say it's shiit~ because I rather use a high % Nightwalker <.<

higher ata and damage

but crappy looking http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Shishi-O]

i have a high percentage nightwalker, and am pretty sure it can't beat rucar.

sweet death,...without a doubt.

carriguine rucar...no

[Shishi-O]

On 2007-07-17 09:13, Rashiid wrote:
they say its shiit cauz they dont have one.

...oh

[Shiryuu]

20-30 ATA difference compared to a nightwalker is not a big deal. People who complain about Rucar ATA don't know what they're talking about. Beast FF with Axes have no real problems hitting monsters, why should a fighgunner?

Chances of grinding a high % nightwalker to (8) is probably worse than synthing a rucar. Even then, PP is still nowhere close.

[Xeph0n]

Rucar is kubara and takes a 10% damage reduction on PAs, unlike sweet death. My Sweet death at 20% outdamages my 12% rucar by about 40 points, and a high percentage nightwalker will do a lot more. But it looks so badass!

[XenithFlare]

Facts:
-It looks amazingly badass (don't argue, this is FACT)
-Damage is auto-reduced
-2PP regen, while the weapon has 600+PP, really breaks this weapon.
-Insanely hard to find and make, with a looooow success rate
-ATA, while on other weapons is fine, for some reason makes this miss every other hit. I use a freakin' CAST, and the damn thing STILL missed every other attack.

Overall, I don't think it's worth it. I would much rather have a Sweet Death or high % Nightwalker/Crea Doubles. I saw it, loved it, used it, hated it, sold it. It sucks, and I did have one. Sorry, Rashild.

[Shishi-O]

On 2007-07-17 10:08, XenithFlare wrote:
Facts:
-It looks amazingly badass (don't argue, this is FACT)
-Damage is auto-reduced
-2PP regen, while the weapon has 600+PP, really breaks this weapon.
-Insanely hard to find and make, with a looooow success rate
-ATA, while on other weapons is fine, for some reason makes this miss every other hit. I use a freakin' CAST, and the damn thing STILL missed every other attack.

Overall, I don't think it's worth it. I would much rather have a Sweet Death or high % Nightwalker/Crea Doubles. I saw it, loved it, used it, hated it, sold it. It sucks, and I did have one. Sorry, Rashild.

is there another version of this opinion.

i really am disuaded by this post,...how are crea doubles??

[February]

I have both, I like the crea doubles a little better because of it's range. The Rucar does do more damage though. and I haven't exactly had any problems with it.

[XenithFlare]

Crea Doubles are nice upgrades to your standard Nightwalker (I honestly only said I'd prefer Sweet Death because I like how it looks, over the Doubles). Not to mention they're easier to find (NOTE: easier, not easy) and trade for.

And I know people are going to argue over my 2PP regen opinion, but one of the biggest draws to weapons is that even while you're using them, they're regenerating PP, which leads to being able to use it more often. This is not the case with the Rucar; 2PP every five seconds isn't enough for even the first stage PA, unless you idle mid-mission, even if you use the PA sparingly.

[Shishi-O]

On 2007-07-17 10:22, February wrote:
I have both, I like the crea doubles a little better because of it's range. The Rucar does do more damage though. and I haven't exactly had any problems with it.

what about the every other hit is a miss comment?

is that cemented fact?

and i have a crea doubles question...do they hit more enemies?

is there a special ability for being crea?






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[XenithFlare]

The weapon has 80 ATA. 80. As a CAST, I have a boosted ATA score in the first place. When I was using the weapon, I was using it on Bel Pannon during the Easter Holiday (light element Rucar), so it really had no reason to miss as much as it did.

But... it did. And that was the last straw, for me.

[Rashiid]

On 2007-07-17 10:08, XenithFlare wrote:
Facts:
-It looks amazingly badass (don't argue, this is FACT)
-Damage is auto-reduced
-2PP regen, while the weapon has 600+PP, really breaks this weapon.
-Insanely hard to find and make, with a looooow success rate
-ATA, while on other weapons is fine, for some reason makes this miss every other hit. I use a freakin' CAST, and the damn thing STILL missed every other attack.

Overall, I don't think it's worth it. I would much rather have a Sweet Death or high % Nightwalker/Crea Doubles. I saw it, loved it, used it, hated it, sold it. It sucks, and I did have one. Sorry, Rashild.



but you have experience so its different.

most others are just jelly and say 'it suxx' but the second they get its all 'OMG THIS THING PWNS!!!'

and a couple 0's arnt bad; quit whining ppl.

ppl are still trading their life for it; so its still the #1 double saber out there.

[Shishi-O]

hmmn, what about the crea question?



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[Rashiid]

getting a Crea Double or Sweet Death; ur just one of every other n00bgunner.

getting a Rucar; ur a FIGHgunner!

[XenithFlare]

On 2007-07-17 10:39, Rashiid wrote:

On 2007-07-17 10:08, XenithFlare wrote:
Facts:
-It looks amazingly badass (don't argue, this is FACT)
-Damage is auto-reduced
-2PP regen, while the weapon has 600+PP, really breaks this weapon.
-Insanely hard to find and make, with a looooow success rate
-ATA, while on other weapons is fine, for some reason makes this miss every other hit. I use a freakin' CAST, and the damn thing STILL missed every other attack.

Overall, I don't think it's worth it. I would much rather have a Sweet Death or high % Nightwalker/Crea Doubles. I saw it, loved it, used it, hated it, sold it. It sucks, and I did have one. Sorry, Rashild.



but you have experience so its different.

most others are just jelly and say 'it suxx' but the second they get its all 'OMG THIS THING PWNS!!!'

and a couple 0's arnt bad; quit whining ppl.

ppl are still trading their life for it; so its still the #1 double saber out there.



Rarity-wise, yes it's quite good. But when you talk about usage, I was very disappointed. "A couple zeroes" is a bit worse than you seem to think, too XD Of 10 hits, I'd actually land between 4-6 of them. And when your PP essentially doesn't regenerate for more usage, those zeroes add up, and you basically wasted all that PP.

If people are trading their lives for one (and most won't; everyone is still under the impression all the initially-released S-ranks are completely hacked), it's because they want one of the rarest weapons in the game; not one of the BEST weapons in the game.

[Rashiid]

well i will say its not the best =P

but tha fact that its a monster-based weapon makes it uber. liek the Bil De Axe.

[XenithFlare]

On 2007-07-17 10:44, Rashiid wrote:
getting a Crea Double or Sweet Death; ur just one of every other n00bgunner.

getting a Rucar; ur a FIGHgunner!



Please stop with your elitist nonsense.

[Rashiid]

On 2007-07-17 10:46, XenithFlare wrote:

On 2007-07-17 10:44, Rashiid wrote:
getting a Crea Double or Sweet Death; ur just one of every other n00bgunner.

getting a Rucar; ur a FIGHgunner!



Please stop with your elitist nonsense.



it was a joke.

i wanted to sound liek commercials......

'Using ordinary lotion makes ur skin terrible.'
'GET NIVEA TODAY AND BE THE BEST!'

[XenithFlare]

Alrighty. XD I have no tolerence for people who insult someone elses class for some stupid reason.

And being monster-based just means it's rare. That's all, plain and simple.

[Shishi-O]

does crea doubles hit more enemies?

[February]

Yes it does

[Rashiid]

edit: nvm.

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[Ryoki]

On 2007-07-17 10:44, Rashiid wrote:
getting a Crea Double or Sweet Death; ur just one of every other n00bgunner.

getting a Rucar; ur a FIGHgunner!


It's not that fucking easy, Rashiid.

You try it.

Even with hacked Rucars, not that many were made.

It isn't what weapon you have, it is your playstyle.

I don't spam TD alot.

Also, as of recently, I've seen Spiral dance is actually the best PA over Grav dance.

Also, Crea doubles DOESN'T hit another enemy. It is hard to notice, though. Both it and nightwalker can only hit 4 enemies.


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[majorgamer55]

its the best double saber out there in my eyes

[Shishi-O]

crea doesn't hit xtra??

[Zael]

It's overrated and not worth hunting imho.

I'd rather go for a high percent nightwalker.

[Shishi-O]

...i think you are right.

the grind % on a 10% is good to +10 i think.

but i like high percentages.

i refuse to grind my 44% though...yep

lol s-rank dbl sabers suck http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif


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[EarthRagon]

All I can say is the ata is never an issue with me.And as far as the strength and pp,Ive got sweet D and crea dubz and +10 nightwalker.All the issues ppl complain about I dont have,crea dubz and rucar are the best imo.........as well as a human none of this stuff of missing every other hit and low pp regen and such makes any diff.

[Zael]

+10 isn't what makes nightwalker good, it's how much easier it is to get a 44%+ one.

Since you basically have as much tries as you have meseta, you can keep synthing them until a good one comes out.

And ATP isn't what makes melee weapons strong, it's the elemental percent.

[Shishi-O]

please ellaborate on the performance of rucar.

[Shishi-O]

yeah my 44% puts sweet death to shame.


i also think that there is a ratio between % and grindability

what say you


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[EarthRagon]

ok,well as a human ,I only miss 1-2 times in a full combo.Mine is 26% earth and out damages anything double saber wise,thats not earth 30%+.Its very hard to get,but its also the best as far as I can see.All this talkin bad about it,imo,sounds like ppl just cant get it so they make themselves feel better..

[Zael]

Or maybe I'm just somehow more content with my 50% Earth Nightwalker which deals more damage constantly, compared to most S-rank double sabers out there. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

The best would of course be a 50% S-rank, but good luck getting one of those. Most S-ranks will come out at the usual 10-24%.



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[Shishi-O]

On 2007-07-17 11:44, EarthRagon wrote:
ok,well as a human ,I only miss 1-2 times in a full combo.Mine is 26% earth and out damages anything double saber wise,thats not earth 30%+.Its very hard to get,but its also the best as far as I can see.All this talkin bad about it,imo,sounds like ppl just cant get it so they make themselves feel better..

great points all...i already have nightwalkers @ high%

k i will get it and try it for myself

spamming dark satelite will commence 7/30



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[February]

On 2007-07-17 11:36, Shishi-O wrote:
...i think you are right.

the grind % on a 10% is good to +10 i think.

but i like high percentages.

i refuse to grind my 44% though...yep

lol s-rank dbl sabers suck http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif


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Why do you insist on just following other people's opinions?

[ashley50]

Whatever otehr ppl say about Carriguine-Rucars, I still want them (yes, i don't have one =()

it's a nice change to see your character not holding the same ol' "Paddle" all the time http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Shishi-O]

because i am going completely on their opinions... thread point says i need help

i am trying to make a decision on limited info.

only 2 rucar users on the thread,

i have high percentage nightwalkers that put sweet death to shame.

i see rucar as the only one you can't grind nightwalkers past.

the problems with missing during PAs is a concern to me.

u can either have high %( 44-50%)/ no grind( will break if attempted) or low %(10-12%) and +5 to +10 grind

the rucar is the only available way to pass this bottleneck( even better with high %)

hence my response

[Shishi-O]

see my thread on grinding,

thank you

[Mayu]

I've had it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif then traded it to a certain person

After using it for a while I said to my self wow I do crap damage <.< compared to this Nightwalker

Compare a 22% Rucar and a 50% Nightwalker

and the nightwalker will ridiculously outdmg the piece of crap low % S weapon <.<

All though in looks Rucar will destroy it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif and as everyone says LOOKS>Effectiveness

Even without grinds -_- a 50% weapon is ''godly'' in every way <.< ( You really are just suppose to grind a HIGH % Weapon to like 1-2 -_- Risk takers <.<)



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[Zael]

On 2007-07-17 12:19, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
I've had it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif then traded it to a certain person

After using it for a while I said to my self wow I do crap damage <.< compared to this Nightwalker

Compare a 22% Rucar and a 50% Nightwalker

and the nightwalker will ridiculously outdmg the piece of crap low % S weapon <.<

All though in looks Rucar will destroy it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif and as everyone says LOOKS>Effectiveness

Even without grinds -_- a 50% weapon is ''godly'' in every way <.< ( You really are just suppose to grind a HIGH % Weapon to like 1-2 -_- Risk takers <.<)



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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Ryuugu-Rena on 2007-07-17 12:21 ]</font>

That's exactly what I mean.

And it's also far easier to get a 50% Nightwalker than a Rucar board, let alone a high percent Rucar.

But if you're into aesthetics and such, feel free to go for a Rucar. I'll even admit it to looking better than Nightwalker.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Zael on 2007-07-17 12:30 ]</font>

[XenithFlare]

If all you're going for is looks, then by all means get the Rucar. It's dead sexy.

[Shishi-O]

actually my thread on grinding has put a +10 grind neutral nightwalker above sweet death/ crea doubles/ carriguine rucar( except for rucar's pp 615)

the night walker is 415atp, and 468pp

[Niloklives]

On 2007-07-17 11:13, February wrote:
Yes it does



no its doesn't. My nightwalker hits 4. dubs hits 4.

[Xeph0n]

I used to use the boat paddle sabers, and i have crea doubles and a rucar. With the expansion lower the gap between high percentage and low percentage weapons, i'd definitely recommend picking up a rucar if you can, its a great weapon for PP, it looks amazing, and the damage is by no means bad.
Just now, with a Cati Power and Rabol Dadan equipped i do about 270 for the first part of gravity dance with the 12% rucar, 330 odd with the 20% sweet death, and id imagine around 370-380 with a high percentage nightwalker. There is a difference, but i can live with it.

If you're on 360 like me prepare to sacrifice a lot for one if youre not lucky!

[Shishi-O]

i on xbox too..7/30, i shall return from the philipines