Cati / Power Vs Solid / Power S

[darkfalz16]

Cati / Power 9*
ATT:120
no negative effects

Solid / Power S 8*
ATT:145
-80 ATA

which unit is better for a lvl 82 human male fighgunner lvl 10? vote and post your reasons why you chose what you chose

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[Niered]

Solid/power for the cast hunters, cati for the beasts.

[Niloklives]

lets see... miss out on...25 atp or 80 ata...I've made my choice

[jayster]

Hard power > cati > solid.... enough said lol

[-Tidus_415-]

On 2007-07-19 19:28, jayster wrote:
Hard power > cati > solid.... enough said lol



Yup lol

[Mayu]

Dam hard power elitist!!! <.<( I'M KIDDING <.<)

I rather have cati

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I used Solid / Power S on my Human Fighgunner [borrowed] and I did not have any problems missing. But yeah, Solid Power S is really awesome for CAST and Newman Hunters who really don't need so much ATA, and Cati would be better for Beasts, especially those who like using axes. I personally don't find Hard Power charge to be so great, and I would prefer to sacrifice ATA than PP usage.

[Para]

I definitely would love cati for my guntecher lol

[Shishi-O]

i use hpc on fred w/12% nightwalker ice no pa until jarbas, the reg combo hits everyone w/200-350 per hit

oh and it gets worst for the enemy when i pull out the 44% earth nightwalkers...the funnest 300-650, w/ pa 700+



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[Zael]

I prefer HPC over both.

[Zorafim]

I hate having to sacrifice for my stats, unless it's something I need. Sacrificing accuracy directly effects my offense in the same way atp does, so it doesn't make sense to lower it.

[RadiantLegend]

I traded my hpc for giga/skill save and i love it.

[DaRkWoLf30]

I say SPS, Because i am a Cast GT, I could lose a little ATA for more ATP

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Cati/Power, because SPS would leave me with 102 ATA, and increased PP usage with HPC blows.

[Reipard]

Bear in mind people who suggest SPS, that you're trading off 80 ATA for 5 extra damage :.

[Almighty_Envy]

5 Damage x 3 hits is ALOT of damage. [/sarcasm]

[9lotus]

my post copied from the official forums:

Assume you have all 3 power units.

Would you sacrifice 80 ATA for 20 ATP? If not, Cati/Power is better than Solid/Power S.

Would you choose to increase your PP costs by 50% to gain 40 ATP? If not, Cati/Power is better than Hard/Power Charge.

[Isabella]

I just want them all >>

[pRoJeCtFaMe]

NO DEDUCTION!

[SolomonGrundy]

giga bullet pp save for a GT
Cati for fortegunner, figunner, Protranser
XXX/ knight for fortefighter
HPC for a tech heavy WT, otherwise Cati

[-Tidus_415-]

HPC is still the best imo...If you're running out of pp too fast then stop spamming PAs so damn much. You can use normal attacks too you know and guess what http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif they doesnt cost PP either! AMAZING!

If you're a Fortegunner or Guntecher...What the hell are you doing with a HPC? You dont want to waste MORE pp. Get Solid/Power.

Cati...Eh...Good for Beasts I guess...

[Isabella]

I'd actually use the cati poweron my newman, though its a fT atm I'd take it over HPC
And leave my beast with sps even though shes fF <,<;
Idunno HPC doesnt feel right >.> http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Allison_W]

SPS might actually be better if you're a Fortegunner using high-accuracy weapons like rifles. Of course, if you're not a Fortegunner, or if you decide to start playing with the lower-accuracy weapons like grenade launchers and laser cannons, the ATA hit from the SPS will probably start to sting--and when you consider that you're only giving up 25 ATP, or five damage before PA/elemental modifiers, the Cati / Power is absolutely better for a great many situations.

As for HPC, it might be worthwhile if your alternative is the SPS, as the advantages of the HPC in that case is not just more ATP but keeping the 80 points of ATA the SPS would have cost you--which is to say, compared to an SPS, an HPC is +15 ATP (negligible) and +80 ATA (not at all negligible). On the other hand, I'd still take the Cati / Power over the HPC. The difference in damage between the Cati / Power and the HPC is eight damage in favour of the HPC before PA/elemental mods, and you're paying for it by going through your PP ridiculously fast when it goes by fast enough as it is.

In sum, Cati / Power is better than both the SPS and the HPC--neither the SPS nor the HPC gives enough advantage over the Cati / Power (we're talking 5 or 8 points of damage!) for the cost they incur. Mr. HPC > Cati > SPS should stop to think before he assumes that the slightest advantage in ATP is worth any cost, because that's a crock of burning smelly cat shit.

[Isabella]

OH and cati power sounds nicer : D

[darkante]

Obviously Cati Power is better.

I mean, no negative attributs giving extra power - - - - - - - > Loss of ata givin slighty more atp.
o.O

Ata is easily more important then atp.
If you can´t damage them, what´s the use of it then?

[Isabella]

I cant wait for the unit that adds both http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

[Alisha]

On 2007-07-19 19:26, NIloklives wrote:
lets see... miss out on...25 atp or 80 ata...I've made my choice

[Xaeris]

On 2007-07-20 00:41, Allison_W wrote:
SPS might actually be better if you're a Fortegunner using high-accuracy weapons like rifles. Of course, if you're not a Fortegunner, or if you decide to start playing with the lower-accuracy weapons like grenade launchers and laser cannons, the ATA hit from the SPS will probably start to sting--and when you consider that you're only giving up 25 ATP, or five damage before PA/elemental modifiers, the Cati / Power is absolutely better for a great many situations.

As for HPC, it might be worthwhile if your alternative is the SPS, as the advantages of the HPC in that case is not just more ATP but keeping the 80 points of ATA the SPS would have cost you--which is to say, compared to an SPS, an HPC is +15 ATP (negligible) and +80 ATA (not at all negligible). On the other hand, I'd still take the Cati / Power over the HPC. The difference in damage between the Cati / Power and the HPC is eight damage in favour of the HPC before PA/elemental mods, and you're paying for it by going through your PP ridiculously fast when it goes by fast enough as it is.

In sum, Cati / Power is better than both the SPS and the HPC--neither the SPS nor the HPC gives enough advantage over the Cati / Power (we're talking 5 or 8 points of damage!) for the cost they incur. Mr. HPC > Cati > SPS should stop to think before he assumes that the slightest advantage in ATP is worth any cost, because that's a crock of burning smelly cat shit.



Well Allison, you say it yourself; that 8 damage difference is before any ATP modifiers of any sort. 40 ATP base can quickly turn into a considerable sum once Shifta, skill coefficient, element %, and if you're really crazy, set bonuses, come into play.

I don't think the HPC is outright better than the Cati, but I think it more depends on the player. An fF with his skill PP discount or a WT who spends some portion of time casting instead of attacking would do better (if slightly) with an HPC seeing as both would probably get through most missions on 10 photon charges. Other people, like PTs, would definitely prefer a Cati. Let me tell you, trying to do Dual Sentinel in a party of three as a PT with an HPC equipped is effing brutal.

[Isabella]

I love this game. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_quickdraw.gif

[Cz]

Cati/Power for my beast. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Isabella]

So I guess thereisno "Better" unit though. People will always have a preference.

[Cz]

the best unit is that unit where you cant get until 3 years later. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Shishi-O]

i would rather cati but i can't find it.

i am in manila philipines until the 30th http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Reipard]

Well Allison, you say it yourself; that 8 damage difference is before any ATP modifiers of any sort. 40 ATP base can quickly turn into a considerable sum once Shifta, skill coefficient, element %, and if you're really crazy, set bonuses, come into play.


Shifta, Skill Bonus and Ele% on 2400 ATP and Shifta, Skill Bonus and Ele% on 2425 ATP is still a negligible difference http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif. ATP only makes a difference in large quantities.

[majan]

most of the people who have tried(borrowed) a solid/power on a human or beast type chracter have tried it out on middle level monsters,i.e level 55's and the like,and they are satisfied.higher monsters = higher evp.the minus 80 ATA stings a lot more when the enemies get tougher and then all of a sudden your twin pistols are made of suck becuase you cant hit anything with them.

try hunting the cati,or if you really still arent satisfied with the damage,go get that hard/power.its a fabulous little unit and all you need to do is carry a few extra weapons,and maybe some charges.

worth it to get it though,without a doubt.
the hard power isnt much different than the cati if you can adapt to your weapons being drained faster.that isn't much of a downside for me and Id never trade it for -80 accuracy even using a cast hunter.


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[pokefiend]

Mega / Power FTW http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

+ 50 ATP http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

W00T!!!!!!!!

... I've been hunting for that damn unit for decades XDDDD


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[majan]

On 2007-07-20 07:47, pokefiend wrote:
Mega / Power FTW http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

+ 50 ATP
+ 20 ATA http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

W00T!!!!!!!!

... I've been hunting for that damn unit for decades XDDDD


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pretty sure that unit doesnt exist.do you mean mega / knight?

+50 and 20 to atp/ata would be decent though.sort of a reverse stella / power S

[pokefiend]

No I did mean Mega / power http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

The offline-to-online comparason confused me http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

http://www.pso-world.com/items/psu/3/880/mega___power/

*Hint hint: I'm only messing around http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif *


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[McLaughlin]

I haven't looked at my Solid/Power S in a while, but I'm fairly sure it's actually 160 Att and -80 Acc. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

[Xaeris]

Shifta, Skill Bonus and Ele% on 2400 ATP and Shifta, Skill Bonus and Ele% on 2425 ATP is still a negligible difference http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif. ATP only makes a difference in large quantities.

All of those factors mentioned turn 40 ATP (I'm talking about the HPC) into 100+, depending on the skill in question. Granted, it's not a huge difference and I never said it was; but it still is a greater amount of damage at no cost to someone who can make it through the mission on 10 Photon Charges.

[Shishi-O]

On 2007-07-20 09:40, Obsidian_Knight wrote:
I haven't looked at my Solid/Power S in a while, but I'm fairly sure it's actually 160 Att and -80 Acc. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

atp145

-80ata

[Shiro_Ryuu]

On 2007-07-20 07:32, majan wrote:
most of the people who have tried(borrowed) a solid/power on a human or beast type chracter have tried it out on middle level monsters,i.e level 55's and the like,and they are satisfied.higher monsters = higher evp.the minus 80 ATA stings a lot more when the enemies get tougher and then all of a sudden your twin pistols are made of suck becuase you cant hit anything with them.

try hunting the cati,or if you really still arent satisfied with the damage,go get that hard/power.its a fabulous little unit and all you need to do is carry a few extra weapons,and maybe some charges.

worth it to get it though,without a doubt.
the hard power isnt much different than the cati if you can adapt to your weapons being drained faster.that isn't much of a downside for me and Id never trade it for -80 accuracy even using a cast hunter.


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I'm one of the people who borrowed the SPS on a Human character and I was using it on lv 105 monsters, and I had no problem with it at all, I hardly ever saw 0's. >.>

[Shishi-O]

benetnash sold his sps because of the 0s hes lvl 80 and spams mad beasts s

[Shiro_Ryuu]

What? Really? Why didn't he tell me? I would have bought that thing. ;_;
But only if it wasn't sold for hax amounts of money, like 20 mil or higher

[ljkkjlcm9]

this is an easy question for me

I have SPS, and I'm a beast fighgunner primarily.

It's my favorite of the three quite simply
1) I don't need things to cost more PP, I get no discount on my class
2) I always try to attack from behind not only because it gives 100% accuracy, but a lot of enemies can't hit you when you're behind them

simply, if you're a good player, ATA really means nothing, except equipping guns. Hate to say it, but ATA is the most overrated stat in this game. No wait, I don't hate to say it.

THE JACKEL

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I agree alot with what you just said Jackel, ATA is really over-rated because eventually, you're ATA will be high enough not to miss, and either way, you're going to hit something more likely than not. I don't have problems with missing in S2 missions, with or without buffs.

[360NyTeMaRe]

I still vote for Hard / Power Charge, even for gunners, just not Guntechers.

[majorgamer55]

HPC sucks major a$$ and i saw cati is best

[omegapirate2k]

Cati power, because, as a beast, I can't afford to lose any ata XD

[Reipard]

All of those factors mentioned turn 40 ATP (I'm talking about the HPC) into 100+, depending on the skill in question. Granted, it's not a huge difference and I never said it was; but it still is a greater amount of damage at no cost to someone who can make it through the mission on 10 Photon Charges.

And that 100+ still only amounts to an extra 20 damage, which is completely meaningless for what the penalty is; increased PP costs on your bread-n-butter PAs http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif.



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