My axe strategy to fight the world!

[MrNomad]

Hey yall Nomad here. I've got a question to ask: Do you think my axe strategy is a good idea? I have two Ank Pikors I use, one ice the other lightning. I had lightning first and started lvling Ank Redda. Later I came to realize not only would an ice axe be better, but Ank Dugrega as well. So now I'm lvling Dugrega, I went to moatoob to use it on Bil de vears, only I found that almost any time the 1st combo for dugrega hits the bil uses its tornado attack. So now im thinking, maaaybe, Ill keep Dugrega on my ice axe since those two will be used most and works best against a lot of enemies and just use Redda on my lightning axe only for the Bil! =D What do you think? Good?

[Zorafim]

Don't use axes on bils, you're just asking to get tornado'd.

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 12:50, Zorafim wrote:
Don't use axes on bils, you're just asking to get tornado'd.

but i used Redda on bils before, and i can easily get some big hits in before they can even counter!

[Cz]

hit and run...best tactic ever! ....maybe.... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Notos]

For the love of God, if you're going to axe on vear, at least use first person mode and aim between the legs for big damage.

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 12:52, BunnyGirl wrote:
hit and run...best tactic ever! ....maybe.... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

bunniiii :3 I never see you in game http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Nailuj]

The bil de vears, along with the kajibari from rainbow beast do their tornado dance whenever they are hit with a knockback/juggle attack. They sometimes don't do it but like 90% of the time they are knocked/juggled they will do the tornado dance.

[Akaimizu]

Bils like to Tornado, and they're pretty potent Un-Jellened. Still, timing, and proper picking of targets does help greatly in avoiding the worst of Billy's wrath. Of course outside of being Frozen in the midst of Megid tossers; nothing else quite gives you the "time-out" to consider life outside of Stunned by result of body-splash when you see the nearby Bil ready to Tornado.

Of course, if somebody froze the Bil; you get free reign over it, for a bit.

And always remember. In this game, you CANNOT fight the world. But you CAN have one tossed at you.

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[panzer_unit]

Yes: put Redda on the lightning axe and use it on Bil. You should eat a zodiaride to make sure you hit. If you do the full combo and the last two swings hit (end of 2nd move + 3rd move) the Bil usually winds up for a spin and then gets knocked out of it. There are other ways to deal with Bils but that's the one that works for axe.
EDIT: if you botch it and Bil does get ready to spin, any distance you can get away from it will save you HP.

Anga Durega on an Ice axe is perfect for killing Dura Gohra and Vandas. You want the quick knockback to stop damfoie and generally prevent counterattack.



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[Cz]

On 2007-07-20 12:53, MrNomad wrote:

bunniiii :3 I never see you in game http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



that is because my siblings are playing for me...http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif I only play Bunny Girl most of the time...while the rest of them take care of my other characters. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 12:56, panzer_unit wrote:
Yes: put Redda on the lightning axe and use it on Bil. You should eat a zodiaride to make sure you hit. If you do the full combo and the last two swings hit (end of 2nd move + 3rd move) the Bil usually winds up for a spin and then gets knocked out of it. There are other ways to deal with Bils but that's the one that works for axe.

Anga Durega on an Ice axe is perfect for killing Dura Gohra and Vandas. You want the quick knockback to stop damfoie and generally prevent counterattack.

exactly! See, some people dont realize how fast Redda hits, because both combos prevent the bil from using their spin soon enough to counter, so I can do great dmg AND move out from getting hit ;3

[Akaimizu]

Sounds interesting. People will have to play around that strategy, but as long as they know what you're doing, they should take advantage of it. By that time, some of us already did something to it, and/or to you to make that combo even more effective.

[panzer_unit]

... I wonder if it's possible to use just the first 2 moves solo or when there aren't any teammates in danger. You'll set him spinning for sure, but might have time to walk away. Since the last move is less damaging than the second (2 big hits > 1 huge hit) I try to stick to the first 2 wherever possible.

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 13:01, Akaimizu wrote:
Sounds interesting. People will have to play around that strategy, but as long as they know what you're doing, they should take advantage of it. By that time, some of us already did something to it, and/or to you to make that combo even more effective.

Lightning axe+ank redda= FF/PT's counter to the bil de vear! =3 pew pew

[Cz]

just use handguns on those Bil...http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif They will eventually fall...http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 13:02, panzer_unit wrote:
... I wonder if it's possible to use just the first 2 moves solo or when there aren't any teammates in danger. You'll set him spinning for sure, but might have time to walk away. Since the last move is less damaging than the second (2 big hits > 1 huge hit) I try to stick to the first 2 wherever possible.

Im positive that while i still used ank redda that you could do 2 combos of redda before the bil could counter

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 13:04, BunnyGirl wrote:
just use handguns on those Bil...http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif They will eventually fall...http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

too long, not enough pew :3

[Cz]

patient is the key. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[panzer_unit]

BTW Gravity Strike second move has the same combination of juggle, pause, knockback to start/cancel a spin.

As a gunner, my preferred way to deal with Bils (solo again) is shooting them while they approach, then using Rising Strike when they get close. I can run away from the spin and far enough to get a bunch of handgun shots in before they're back on top of me. The only problem is Bils LOVE jumping / stunpunching people who hang out at range. It's actually safer* just going toe-to-toe with 'em if you don't have any fancy tricks up your sleeve, since they'll try stun less frequently.

*except for all the teammates who don't care that theyre making spin



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[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 13:07, BunnyGirl wrote:
patient is the key. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

well i consider my strategy patient :3

[Akaimizu]

Actually, the handgun strategy would be too much Pew. If we're talking the sound effect the handgun uses. In a party, I generally concentrate on giving the Bil's a Hard Knocks Life, giving a boost to any party melee-artists while the Bil either feels the burn or feels a bit under the weather.

Doing that combo might just finish it off by doing the equivalent of their lunch money, stealing their wristwatch, and cause a downright Billy Incineration. "Congratulations!!! You are the insult master!!!"

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[Cz]

this strategy is pretty old, but i think it might still works!

eh hem....eh hem....remember that phrase that those NPCs use?! eh hem....eh hem...
Lady and gentalmen...let me annouced you the perfect strategy of combat!!!!! Remember to attack from BEHIND! Did you hear me? Attack from BEHIND!!!

There you go...the perfect way to take on any monsters! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif
audiences: http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif *all of them are shock* http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_bunny.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/panda.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_pengy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/pandatummy.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/cat.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamlet.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cowsleep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_sheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rabite.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_turtle.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_cheepcheep.gif http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_hamster.gif

[Mayu]

Dus Daggas!!!

[Cz]

On 2007-07-20 13:20, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
Dus Daggas!!!





no! Attack from behind! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



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[Zorafim]

Attacking from behind would work if not for the fact that enemies can turn 360* and stare you in the face before you can get your first attack in, or do some nonsensical move made simply for you to face them. The only time that really works is if the enemy is fighting another party member.

[Mayu]

<.< Fine attack from behind.....

WITH A PA that doesn't do stagger,Knock out effect !! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 13:22, BunnyGirl wrote:

On 2007-07-20 13:20, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
Dus Daggas!!!





no! Attack from behind! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: BunnyGirl on 2007-07-20 13:23 ]</font>
NO! Bad Bunni! My strategy is pew pew ;3

[Akaimizu]

True. Lots of monsters have near Insta-turn abilities. One of the reasons why I've banked so long on strategies used to distract monsters. As Zorafim said before, it is often the main way to give another party member that kind of advantage. So it does pay to have someone else become the target of the monster's ire. Not every monster can insta-turn, but many can. Particularly the mid-sized ones.



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[Cz]

On 2007-07-20 13:23, Zorafim wrote:
Attacking from behind would work if not for the fact that enemies can turn 360* and stare you in the face before you can get your first attack in, or do some nonsensical move made simply for you to face them. The only time that really works is if the enemy is fighting another party member.



just circle around the enemy...eventually, that enemy will leave an open spot from behind. It works 80% of the time...believe me. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 13:27, BunnyGirl wrote:

On 2007-07-20 13:23, Zorafim wrote:
Attacking from behind would work if not for the fact that enemies can turn 360* and stare you in the face before you can get your first attack in, or do some nonsensical move made simply for you to face them. The only time that really works is if the enemy is fighting another party member.



just circle around the enemy...eventually, that enemy will leave an open spot from behind. It works 80% of the time...believe me. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

No! Bunni say bad bad things! ;3

[Cz]

On 2007-07-20 13:25, MrNomad wrote:

NO! Bad Bunni! My strategy is pew pew ;3



may i ask something? What is pew pew? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Zorafim]

If it does work, it doesn't work well enough to put the energy into it. There are some enemies who can't turn around fast enough, but normally I can only get a few hits in before we're face to face again.

And pew pew is the sound that guns make.
pewpew

[panzer_unit]

On 2007-07-20 13:26, Akaimizu wrote:
True. Lots of monsters have near Insta-turn abilities. One of the reasons why I've banked so long on strategies used to distract monsters. As Zorafim said before, it is often the main way to give another party member that kind of advantage. So it does pay to have someone else become the target of the monster's ire. Not every monster can insta-turn, but many can. Particularly the mid-sized ones.

This is especially true for Bils, with their super-merciless in their hate for ranged attackers. Hit 'em just a couple times with a handgun and they'll totally forget about finishing off the stunned teammate in front of 'em and come flying at you with some monster PA from hell.

On the other hand, as a fighter it's REALLY hard to do much to a Bil who's chasing after a fleeing gunner.

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 13:30, BunnyGirl wrote:

On 2007-07-20 13:25, MrNomad wrote:

NO! Bad Bunni! My strategy is pew pew ;3



may i ask something? What is pew pew? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

pew pew is pew pew for pew pew! ^ O

[Mayu]

Dus Daggas!> Pew pew <.<!!

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 15:28, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
Dus Daggas!> Pew pew <.<!!



ur insane > > pew pew > you sillybuns http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[-Ryuki-]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but if you're planning on taking Bil's head-on with an Axe, Dugrega's better for you. There's two things you can do for a hit-and-run tactic. Use your PA to charge, then run away quickly as possible, or use your PA, then the 2nd combo to leap out of the way.

It's really not that hard to "master" the axe. People just bum rush, acting like they're tough crap and get owned hard in the process. Not sure why some people aren't that bright.

[Mayu]

Fine :_: ~sniff

~goes back dus daggering a koltova ~sniff

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 15:31, RyukiZero wrote:
I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but if you're planning on taking Bil's head-on with an Axe, Dugrega's better for you. There's two things you can do for a hit-and-run tactic. Use your PA to charge, then run away quickly as possible, or use your PA, then the 2nd combo to leap out of the way.

It's really not that hard to "master" the axe. People just bum rush, acting like they're tough crap and get owned hard in the process. Not sure why some people aren't that bright.

Im sure redda is better in this case. With dug, you really can only hit once, and with some minor problems you could end up getting tornado'd. With redda, you're able of hitting more without risking the chance of getting hit since you have enough time to run out

[Mayu]

Redda's slow <.<

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 15:31, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
Fine :_: ~sniff

~goes back dus daggering a koltova ~sniff

awww *snuggs* dont be sad, i jk =3

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 15:35, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
Redda's slow <.<

slow start-up but quick to end, unlike dug > > hence the trouble with bil's

[Mayu]

good point o.o

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 15:37, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
good point o.o

exactly sillybuns! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[-Ryuki-]

I'll have to disagree. Regardless what anyone has said about Redda being better, I personally
find Dugrega > Redda. I capped both the PA's the same day Redda was released, and declared
Redda good, but Dugrega better.

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 16:00, RyukiZero wrote:
I'll have to disagree. Regardless what anyone has said about Redda being better, I personally
find Dugrega > Redda. I capped both the PA's the same day Redda was released, and declared
Redda good, but Dugrega better.

I agree, dug is better all around, its just that when fighting a bil redda is much better, if only against one monster. Then again, I think we all can agree, bil's are no minor offence ;3

[-Ryuki-]

They're pretty minor to me. I use Dugrega on Bil de Axe's and do just finely.
Then again, 24% Lightning axe (though not high like some elitists with 50%'s)
is pretty scrumptious on anything ground-typed.

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 16:07, RyukiZero wrote:
They're pretty minor to me. I use Dugrega on Bil de Axe's and do just finely.
Then again, 24% Lightning axe (though not high like some elitists with 50%'s)
is pretty scrumptious on anything ground-typed.

pew! ^ o

[pikachief]

in my book, any strategy that has the word axe= fail


On 2007-07-20 12:53, MrNomad wrote:

On 2007-07-20 12:52, BunnyGirl wrote:
hit and run...best tactic ever! ....maybe.... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

bunniiii :3 I never see you in game http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



ME NIETHER! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif (but thats because im on 360 XD)

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 17:36, pikachief wrote:
in my book, any strategy that has the word axe= fail


On 2007-07-20 12:53, MrNomad wrote:

On 2007-07-20 12:52, BunnyGirl wrote:
hit and run...best tactic ever! ....maybe.... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

bunniiii :3 I never see you in game http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



ME NIETHER! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif (but thats because im on 360 XD)

bad pika! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Deus-Irae]

On 2007-07-20 13:20, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
Dus Daggas!!!





this is obviously the correct answer.

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-20 18:33, Deus-Irae wrote:

On 2007-07-20 13:20, Ryuugu-Rena wrote:
Dus Daggas!!!





this is obviously the correct answer.

hmm, that could work, although that would be a spear approach, and here i am talking about axe strategies :3

[RadiantLegend]

REDDA everything. Dugrega on multi-target mobs.

And i find redda to be faster.

what can i say, legend knows how to use his axe to the MAX

[MrNomad]

On 2007-07-21 05:30, Ragolismine wrote:
REDDA everything. Dugrega on multi-target mobs.

And i find redda to be faster.

what can i say, legend knows how to use his axe to the MAX

although redda is versatile, dugrega is a much greater skill for when you do S-S2 runs. Go Varha/Vandas etc. are too quick and attack fast, usually making you take hits when using redda. Dugrega, however, will enable you to knock them back before they hit you, plus dugrega is much stronger :3