Let's hope Famitsu Cup isn't so depressing.

[MayLee]

Why do I say this? Well it's simple. When we had the three star luck for a whole week I and friends found nothing to show for it. Maybe 6 Ram Mizakis but that's about it. We had hunted and hunted non stop untill that week was over and we were basically empty handed. We got a lot of 6-12 star materials...a lot of materials. So much materials that I had to bundle them up in gifts.

With the Famitsu Cup coming up soon, I hope that too wont be dissipointing as well. Hopefully we'll get good spawn and actually get an S rank and not a crap full of materials. Because I have this feeling, when they say a 500% drop increase I hope they don't mean, "Haha, only in materials" Because that's basically how I felt in the 3 star week.

I also have heard from many people they didn't get a thing during that week.

Let's just hope this event doesn't end up like the last. v.v

Because I sure do want that Gonsarod, Crea-Doubles and 10* bow which name usually excapes me..

[EspioKaos]

The drop increases apply to everything. Of course, you'll see a dramatic increase in the number of rare materials you find, but rare weapons, line shields, their respective boards and units will increase in drop rate, too. I'm pretty excited about this, but I'm still waiting for official confirmation of the NA/EU/360 servers getting an event similar to Famitsu Cup.

[APEXi]

didnt find anything either, and my only trustworthy friend quit after failing the crea double board he'd been hunting for months. back to soloing.. or back to pc.. hmm

[HFlowen]

Rappy Break.

[DEM_CIG]

hopefully i get something good in this event...

[DaRkWoLf30]

Yeah I hope it is better, I had same outcome with 3 star luck week.

[Rashiid]

On 2007-07-24 08:09, APEXi wrote:
didnt find anything either, and my only trustworthy friend quit after failing the crea double board he'd been hunting for months. back to soloing.. or back to pc.. hmm



lmao. that so sad. quiting cauz they failed a [B]. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Deus-Irae]

the only reason you were disappointed is that you were expecting too much.

we've all had 3 star luck days before. we all regularly play in parties where the leader has 2 or 3 star luck, and we all know that it doesn't really do much.

all of those materials that dropped were your reward for Firebreak (which was a damn fine event imo).

Famitsu cup on the other hand ups the drop rates considerably. it is supposed to be a very generous event, but i haven't played it myself.




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[AlphaDragoon]

IF we do get something similar to the Famitsu Cup I'd be really happy. Then I might finally be able to get my Giga / Skill PP Save instead of Rappy Feathers every time.

[MayLee]

On 2007-07-24 08:54, Deus-Irae wrote:
the only reason you were disappointed is that you were expecting too much.

we've all had 3 star luck days before. we all regularly play in parties where the leader has 2 or 3 star luck, and we all know that it doesn't really do much.

all of those materials that dropped were your reward for Firebreak (which was a damn fine event imo).

Famitsu cup on the other hand ups the drop rates considerably. it is supposed to be a very generous event, but i haven't played it myself.




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is expecting to see at least one s rank board expecting too much?

[Alkaar]

I know what you mean Maylee. It sucks getting nothing but a load of materials and no S rank boards that you really want.

I'm not going to have high expectations for S rank board drops once Famitsu Cup comes around, but I will have fun running missions with friends.

If I happen to get a board or more, then that'll make it even sweeter.

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-07-24 07:58, MayLee wrote:

Because I sure do want that Gonsarod...



This doesn't even exist, yet strangely, I want one now......! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Kylie]

Ehhh, I didn't really find anything but materials with my 3* luck, and it doesn't bother me. It's fun to have a rare item, but I don't think it makes much of a difference if you have one or not... at least not for me. Hell, I haven't gotten a single s-rank yet except the crea doubles I had that I loaned to a friend that got banned the next day. =$

[Rashiid]

On 2007-07-24 09:09, JAFO22000 wrote:

On 2007-07-24 07:58, MayLee wrote:

Because I sure do want that Gonsarod...



This doesn't even exist, yet strangely, I want one now......! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



rumor says its Cast Only; and has 3000TP on it.....

they just might be able to match ours....no..no im losing it...get a grip Rashiid.....*










*smacks his head.

[RegulusHikari]

It is expecting too much when you don't realize how the luck system works. Luck =/= more rares. Luck = more drops. Those drops are MORE LIKELY to be crap since the crap has a higher drop rate than the S ranks. All luck does is let you see MORE of what you already are. It doesn't directly change any drop rates like the Fami Cup will.

Concerning Famitsu, I have mixed feelings about it. I don't want 10*s to become commonplace and 11*s be the thing to hunt, because those are miles ahead of 10*s in terms of rarity. Personally, I hate working 3 weeks for something and then seeing somebody have it handed to them multiple times in one sitting. It just seems to imbalance the entire rarity system. Me / Quicks and Tero / Legs are going to be rarer than a weapon multiple ranks higher than them.

[Rashiid]

^ agreed.

2 days ago i got a Gudda Skela [B] off of 0 luck; and aint get shizznit during tha 3*.

[Niloklives]

psssh I've been hunting S rank boards since I was lvl 45 and haven't gotten anything yet. I say increased drop rates ahoy!

has it been confirmed we're getting this?

[Rhiana]

the luck system prolly isn't even real..like its just something to shut us up and make us feel better about the game, lol. During that 3* luck week I broke 3 Granarodoc's and 3 cometaracs going from 1 -> 2 with A+7's. I've never broken ANYTHING on the 1 ->2 grind EVER and NOW??? When we ALL HAVE 3* LUCK? Bogus...

[PALRAPPYS]

On 2007-07-24 09:14, RegulusHikari wrote:

Concerning Famitsu, I have mixed feelings about it. I don't want 10*s to become commonplace and 11*s be the thing to hunt, because those are miles ahead of 10*s in terms of rarity. Personally, I hate working 3 weeks for something and then seeing somebody have it handed to them multiple times in one sitting. It just seems to imbalance the entire rarity system. Me / Quicks and Tero / Legs are going to be rarer than a weapon multiple ranks higher than them.



Regarding the Me / Quicks... I've heard those have also gone down in value quite a bit too.

[MayLee]

I broke my Death Dance going to two anf a couple B ranks that week. I had a lot of high grinder. o.o

[Rashiid]

On 2007-07-24 09:18, NIloklives wrote:
psssh I've been hunting S rank boards since I was lvl 45 and haven't gotten anything yet. I say increased drop rates ahoy!

has it been confirmed we're getting this?





what mission has a Lv45 requirement and drops an S [B]?

[Rhiana]

On 2007-07-24 09:23, MayLee wrote:
I broke my Death Dance going to two anf a couple B ranks that week. I had a lot of high grinder. o.o




I actually think I broke more weapons that week than I did since the game came out. Starting to belive the stars by everyone's name was just an illusion, lol

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-07-24 09:25, Rashiid wrote:

On 2007-07-24 09:18, NIloklives wrote:
psssh I've been hunting S rank boards since I was lvl 45 and haven't gotten anything yet. I say increased drop rates ahoy!

has it been confirmed we're getting this?





what mission has a Lv45 requirement and drops an S [B]?



You're forgetting about boss box drops!

[Sychosis]

On 2007-07-24 09:25, Rashiid wrote:

On 2007-07-24 09:18, NIloklives wrote:
psssh I've been hunting S rank boards since I was lvl 45 and haven't gotten anything yet. I say increased drop rates ahoy!

has it been confirmed we're getting this?





what mission has a Lv45 requirement and drops an S [B]?



Unsafe Passage S. [B] Crea Doubles.

[Niloklives]

On 2007-07-24 09:25, Rashiid wrote:

On 2007-07-24 09:18, NIloklives wrote:
psssh I've been hunting S rank boards since I was lvl 45 and haven't gotten anything yet. I say increased drop rates ahoy!

has it been confirmed we're getting this?





what mission has a Lv45 requirement and drops an S [B]?



LLS = crea doubles kthx

[MayLee]

On 2007-07-24 09:29, Sychosis wrote:

On 2007-07-24 09:25, Rashiid wrote:

On 2007-07-24 09:18, NIloklives wrote:
psssh I've been hunting S rank boards since I was lvl 45 and haven't gotten anything yet. I say increased drop rates ahoy!

has it been confirmed we're getting this?





what mission has a Lv45 requirement and drops an S [B]?



Unsafe Passage S. [B] Crea Doubles.

Tomorrow I shall go there with my level 39 Cast..Muhahahaha

[Rashiid]

well what boss drops sumting S rank at Lv 45 Jafo?

havent checked Lv requirements in awhile; always at cap http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Niloklives]

I have two characters that are just under the current cap. - been playing since mid jan...its not lik ethats the only place I can go. and I stopped hunting crea doubles long ago. but my point was there are some of us who have been at this a long time and have yet to get anything. I for one would very much like to see something that ups my chances of getting ANYTHING at this point

[EspioKaos]

On 2007-07-24 09:18, NIloklives wrote:
has it been confirmed we're getting this?

Not yet.

[Alkaar]

Famitsu Cup sure better lighten the mood and make EVERYONE happy. Because super holy light didn't do much other than darken people's moods.

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-07-24 09:37, Rashiid wrote:
well what boss drops sumting S rank at Lv 45 Jafo?

havent checked Lv requirements in awhile; always at cap http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



I was thinking Demons Above S, but I don't know the requirements to run that either!

[Alkaar]

Yeah, you're right. [B] Halarod drops from the boss box in Demons Above S.

[Shiryuu]

Don't expect 500% to be great. It still takes at least 3 runs to get 1 S-rank [B] to drop even with 2*+ luck. 7* and below drops like candy though.

[Golto]

On 2007-07-24 10:25, Shiryuu wrote:
Don't expect 500% to be great. It still takes at least 3 runs to get 1 S-rank [B] to drop even with 2*+ luck. 7* and below drops like candy though.



A lot better than 20+ or 100+ runs without a srank board drop.

[FLaMeS15]

ill be wanting to get rappys like crazy

[amtalx]

I'm kind of torn with this whole luck thing. On one hand, it sucks to hunt something for months and either not get it, or get it and fail the board. On the other, a lot of it just sounds like greed. Rare weapons aren't rare if everyone has them. Hunting for a few days and expecting all your dreams to come true is ridiculous. Hunting for really good items in PSO was just as time consuming. I played PSO everyday for YEARS and there were still weapons I only saw drop once on maps I ran frequently.

[Davot]

i better see my Mugunruk and Rucar drop

[RedCoKid]

On 2007-07-24 10:25, Shiryuu wrote:
Don't expect 500% to be great. It still takes at least 3 runs to get 1 S-rank [B] to drop even with 2*+ luck. 7* and below drops like candy though.
That sounds rough. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif


Man, I can't wait.

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-07-24 10:25, Shiryuu wrote:
Don't expect 500% to be great. It still takes at least 3 runs to get 1 S-rank [B] to drop even with 2*+ luck. 7* and below drops like candy though.



?? An S rank board every 3 runs IS my definition of "great".....

[Shiryuu]

On 2007-07-24 12:07, JAFO22000 wrote:

On 2007-07-24 10:25, Shiryuu wrote:
Don't expect 500% to be great. It still takes at least 3 runs to get 1 S-rank [B] to drop even with 2*+ luck. 7* and below drops like candy though.



?? An S rank board every 3 runs IS my definition of "great".....


I never said "every". I said "at least". Stuff like uransara will still be somewhat annoying to get since there's only like 15 scattered olgohmon spawns with 70 ageeta in a bonus mission. It's just going to be a lot of crappy s-ranks and rares. And that is if you even finish the mission, sometimes rappies replace them, then your left with less chances.

[Deja]

I've done well over 60 runs of Rainbow beasts with only seeing one srank drop. 1 every 10 runs would make me happy. 1 every 3, and that isn't great? I can't wait.

[Shiryuu]

Wouldn't be so great once the server is swimming in ragnus and baji-senba. :/

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-07-24 12:21, Deja wrote:
I've done well over 60 runs of Rainbow beasts with only seeing one srank drop. 1 every 10 runs would make me happy. 1 every 3, and that isn't great? I can't wait.



Wow, you got an S rank after only 60 runs?? Wish I had that kind of luck....

[RedCoKid]

On 2007-07-24 12:28, Shiryuu wrote:
Wouldn't be so great once the server is swimming in ragnus and baji-senba. :/

BTW, what's the ratio of [b] baji line : ortapolymer on the JP servers lately?

[Akaimizu]

So far, I've gotten 1 single S rank board. Better than nothing, I'll say. Single Claw of goodness. The thing is, I got it during Firebreak, which I believe had no special luck.

Still, I'm happy for all the nice Twin Claws I made. I'd say it was among the better, yet brief, times for me. Big and cool drops just aren't in my reality to expect, so I've lowered my standards. Definitely helps, because the little treasures seem that much better.

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[Shiryuu]

On 2007-07-24 12:55, Akaimizu wrote:
Big and cool drops just aren't in my reality to expect, so I've lowered my standards. Definitely helps, because the little treasures seem that much better.

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Exactly. Just think of the bonus missions as the chances of getting nothing is reduced by 500%.

About the polymers, I haven't checked at all since I don't even have money/PM to even try synthing armors.

[Rhiana]

The first S-Rank [B] I've ever seen drop, dropped today in My Party on the second run of Desert Terror S2, and it was a [B] Gudda Skela. Up until then I thought the stork brought the S-Ranks to people...

[pikachief]

On 2007-07-24 15:31, Rhiana wrote:
The first S-Rank [B] I've ever seen drop, dropped today in My Party on the second run of Desert Terror S2, and it was a [B] Gudda Skela. Up until then I thought the stork brought the S-Ranks to people...



i still think S ranks are a myth >.>

anyways i wish someone could bring up the picture of someone with like more than TEN of those rucars in his shop, all from famistu! i mean he had ALOT of rucar boards in his shop!

also epople who played during famistu said if u look enough u are guaranteed at least 1 S rank board http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Inazuma]

thx to famitsu and the 20% synth bonus coming soon, it wont be uncommon to see someone w/ a pallete full of s ranks

[Umberger]

On 2007-07-24 16:13, Inazuma wrote:
thx to famitsu and the 20% synth bonus coming soon, it wont be uncommon to see someone w/ a pallete full of s ranks



If we get the full amount of points, wouldn't that make 10* (non-Kubara) weapons have a 100% synth rate?

[Inazuma]

75% base rate + 15m prize (25% increase) = 100% success rate. good luck getting 15m points.

[Reginaldo]

Luck isn't meant to favor everyone.

[pikachief]

On 2007-07-24 16:19, Inazuma wrote:
75% base rate + 15m prize (25% increase) = 100% success rate. good luck getting 15m points.



I HIGHLY DOUBT we will get the 15 mil points! the JP barely got it and on both servers together we wont get nearly as many as the japanese got just like firebreak!

also sega's gonna be dumb and look at the 2 servers instead of population and make us get twice as much than the JP for these things!

so more like 30 mil and were only getting 10 mil XD

[Inazuma]

we didnt get the 15m prize on the jp ver -_-

[pikachief]

On 2007-07-24 16:45, Inazuma wrote:
we didnt get the 15m prize on the jp ver -_-



oh i didnt know u guys knew what the 15 mil prize was! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif well at least they told u right?

kinda cheap for the last prize compared to the second to the last one! they should've given u 25% on second to last and like an S rank for the 15 mil XD

[Shiro_Ryuu]

Meh, my luck is negative, so this would probably make my luck even worse.

[DepartedAngel]

is the 500% drop increase is only 4 the ex missions or wat??

[majorgamer55]

i am 99.9% sure that s rank weapon [b]'s will drop at least once per every 1-2 missions

[ForteStollen]

Hmm, IF we get this, it certainly wont be called the Famitsu cup, no way will Famitsu sponsor a US/EU event.. As for the rare increase, I'd be more than happy to see it happen, I've got 1800+ hours playtime logged since the game came out in November, and I've found exactly zippo myself, I highly doubt the game will be flooded with S ranks, it's only a temporary thing - This looks to me like SEGA's attempt at keeping PSU players sweet, especially cynical ones like myself who have never found anything. The current drop rates suck, that's a fact. Oh and don't be over confident about getting 100% synth rates even if it's high with the bonus, I've failed plenty of 85-90% synths in my time (including today, failed Soda Crea, bye bye 20 Copernia >_>).



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[pikachief]

On 2007-07-24 22:22, DepartedAngel wrote:
is the 500% drop increase is only 4 the ex missions or wat??



thiers 3 EX missions per "area" (planets and colony)

which makes it 12. yes only the 12 but in those 12 we get more than half the S ranks http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

the only problem si that none of those EX missions drop guntecher S ranks >:{ wats with sega not wanting guntechers to have S ranks!? they better be awesome S ranks http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[BlackHat]

I want a Carrugain-Rucar =(

[Soukosa]

S grade gears can come from the boxes at the end of the bonus missions as well and not just the enemies that spawn in them. When I get time, I'll gather it all up and put it into my DB.

[Alkaar]

Okay, assuming that the boxes after the waves of creatures in the EX missions are like boss boxes, that would mean they already have a 100% drop rate.

People claim that since boss boxes have a 100% drop rate, increased drop rates don't change the fact that the boxes already give you something every time.

So the 500% increase in drop rate is for creatures only I would assume.

Now I don't know how luck factors in with the 500% drop rate increase... I think it might enhance drop quality for creatures, but I don't think it'd do anything for the boxes.

[RegulusHikari]

Boss Boxes are a 100% drop rate and not affected by luck because luck does not affect rare drop rates. Luck affects the CHANCE of seeing anything.

You have 0 luck.
You kill a Vahra.
You have a 50% chance of that Vahra dropping nothing.
You open a boss box. You have a 100% chance of something dropping.

You have 3 luck.
You kill a Vahra.
You have a 10% chance of that Vahra dropping nothing.
You open a boss box. You have a 100% chance of something dropping.

THAT is how luck works. Or rather than is what I have gathered from what everyone else is saying. Luck does NOT AFFECT drop rates directly, as everybody seems to assume. As for Fami EX missions:

You are not in an EX mission.
You kill a Vahra.
You have a 1/500 chance of having Ragnus drop IF anything drops.

You ARE in an EX mission.
You kill a Vahra.
You have a 1/100 chance of having Ragnus drop IF anything drops.

No my % and chances aren't supposed to be correct, I was just giving an example as to how the Luck system and actual rare drop increase work differently. Basically when the monster is killed, the game chooses either 'drop' or 'nothing'. If it chooses drop, then it cycles through ALL of the possible drops that can come from that monster or box, each with different appearance rates. If 'nothing' you get no drops whatsoever. Luck reduces that 'nothing' rate.

[BanF]

Until I see it announced, I don't believe in no Famitsu Cup outside Japan.

[Shadykillah]

does anyone know if 9* tenora twin pistols r coming out in AOI

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-07-25 08:41, BanF wrote:
Until I see it announced, I don't believe in no Famitsu Cup outside Japan.



...so, since you "don't believe in no FC outside Japan", you believe we are getting it?;P

BTW, the hackers did find an EGM Mag wand item similar to the Famitsu Mag wand item given to the JP players for participation. Most see this as good proof that they will have a similar event for the US, only called the EGM cup. Unless, of course, they put this weapon in "just in case" and EGM did not OK the use of it, but I don't see why they wouldn't. Free in game advertisement = good.

[Rashiid]

On 2007-07-25 09:04, Shadykillah wrote:
does anyone know if 9* tenora twin pistols r coming out in AOI



what...tha hell....

[Cracka_J]

considering most us game mags have gone straight down the toilet, we'd prolly see a -500% rare drop decrease during an "EGM Cup".

[_Duke_]

On 2007-07-25 08:23, RegulusHikari wrote:
Boss Boxes are a 100% drop rate and not affected by luck because luck does not affect rare drop rates. Luck affects the CHANCE of seeing anything.

You have 0 luck.
You kill a Vahra.
You have a 50% chance of that Vahra dropping nothing.
You open a boss box. You have a 100% chance of something dropping.

You have 3 luck.
You kill a Vahra.
You have a 10% chance of that Vahra dropping nothing.
You open a boss box. You have a 100% chance of something dropping.

THAT is how luck works. Or rather than is what I have gathered from what everyone else is saying. Luck does NOT AFFECT drop rates directly, as everybody seems to assume. As for Fami EX missions:

You are not in an EX mission.
You kill a Vahra.
You have a 1/500 chance of having Ragnus drop IF anything drops.

You ARE in an EX mission.
You kill a Vahra.
You have a 1/100 chance of having Ragnus drop IF anything drops.

No my % and chances aren't supposed to be correct, I was just giving an example as to how the Luck system and actual rare drop increase work differently. Basically when the monster is killed, the game chooses either 'drop' or 'nothing'. If it chooses drop, then it cycles through ALL of the possible drops that can come from that monster or box, each with different appearance rates. If 'nothing' you get no drops whatsoever. Luck reduces that 'nothing' rate.



I have a feeling we'll never know for sure, but I hate people talking about this matter as if they know for a fact, which they don't.

It's my belief is that it bumps the achieved item like a slider. Simply the "no drop" is an "item" in the drop list like any other, just boss boxes never have the "no item" as a possible drop. Photon Fortune does noticeably increase synth mats qualities, such as a lot more Metapolymer dropping in DT S2 with more fortune.