Axe vs. Sword - Damage Test

[360NyTeMaRe]

Here's a question...but first I must explain.

Ironically, I just reached 10 Fighgunner as I needed to switch to Fortefighter, so I can use my Daiga-Misaki when it's done synthesizing. Only problem is that not only do I not have enough ATP to use the Daiga-Misaki, but EVERY ONE of my stats went down, and now I have to substitute axes for Double Sabers. I do however understand that Lv1 Fortefighter is no match for Lv10 Fighgunner.

Here's my question...

Which will hit for more damage?

38% Fire Hanzo+5 / Tornado Break Lv26
or
18% Fire Ank Tomho / Anga Dugrega Lv1

[DikkyRay]

Well, Ank for damage. Swords have nothing on axes. But sadly, axes have terrible hit %s. They may hit for 1400, they may hit for 600. Swords have steady damage.
But if you are talking no PA's. Go for sword. Faster, and hits more enemies. PA-wise, Axe destroys sword

[Nia]

My 10% fire pikor broke 2K damage w/ a critical so i HAVE to assume a tomho could break 1290....

EDIT: That was with the 3rd hit of Durrega tho, and ur only at Lv1 tho.....

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[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Spear beats both.

By a lot.

[DikkyRay]

Before they fucked over Daggas? HEL YEH. i was like, lvl 9 doing like, 500 some

[360NyTeMaRe]

Ahhh okay. I also noticed that being a Fortefighter saves a lot of PP compared to Fighgunner, especially with my Hard / Power Charge.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-07-30 12:41, DikkyRay wrote:
Before they fucked over Daggas? HEL YEH. i was like, lvl 9 doing like, 500 some

Daggas still is by far the best DPS on a weapon. It will outdamage Anga Redda on an axe with the same percent.

[360NyTeMaRe]

This topic isn't based on damage per second, it's highest critical hit. I do agree though, and if Dus Daggas wasn't so hard to use, I'd stop using Dus Robado. I just like Dus Robado better anyway, I think it looks cooler.



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[JAFO22000]

On 2007-07-30 12:47, 360NyTeMaRe wrote:
This topic isn't based on damage per second, it's highest critical hit.....
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"I'm not trying to be helpful to the party, I just wanna see the big numbers."

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

Well, axe is the undisputed king of LOL, BIG NUMBARZ. But that should be obvious.


Furthermore, Daggas is easy to use. It can get a little annoying on things like Ageetas, but you shouldn't be using a spear on those anyway. Spears are for multi-target enemies, large enemies, and bosses. Use daggers/sabers/twins for the small stuff.


EDIT OHGOD:

On 2007-07-30 12:54, 360NyTeMaRe wrote:
That was uncalled for. I am very helpful to the party, and I think killing everything in 1 hit is the most help I can offer, at my own expense for Photon Charges.

Either way, your claim was completely irrelevant, I'm not talking about carrying noobs like yourself through a mission, I just want to know which one hits for more.

Hahaha, what? Killing things in one hit? Seriously? Yeah, ok, maybe on B. Even a critical hit from a 50% fire axe isn't going to kill an Ageeta on S2 in one hit, sorry.


Furthermore, gib meh ^^ nao.


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[360NyTeMaRe]

That was uncalled for. I am very helpful to the party, and I think killing everything in 1 hit is the most help I can offer, at my own expense for Photon Charges.

Either way, your claim was completely irrelevant, I'm not talking about carrying noobs like yourself through a mission, I just want to know which one hits for more.

[360NyTeMaRe]

I just don't like Dus Daggas because it's too forward-directional and occasionally I miss targets. (not by hitting 0, literally missing)




Hahaha, what? Killing things in one hit? Seriously? Yeah, ok, maybe on B. Even a critical hit from a 50% fire axe isn't going to kill an Ageeta on S2 in one hit, sorry.

It was an exaggeration.

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[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-07-30 12:57, 360NyTeMaRe wrote:
I just don't like Dus Daggas because it's too forward-directional and occasionally I miss targets. (not by hitting 0, literally missing)

Stop using slow weapons on fast moving enemies. Duh.

Daggas is for things like:

-Kamatoze
-Pollavohra
-Drua Gohra

Daggas is not for things like:

-Badira
-Go Vahra
-Golmoro


Duh.

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-07-30 12:57, 360NyTeMaRe wrote:
I just don't like Dus Daggas because it's too forward-directional and occasionally I miss targets. (not by hitting 0, literally missing)
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tee hee! And you're calling ME a noob?

[360NyTeMaRe]

In story mode, it's fun to use Dus Daggas on Deljabans, with 60% light Mugungri. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Normally it kills them all in 1/2 hits.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-07-30 13:01, 360NyTeMaRe wrote:
In story mode, it's fun to use Dus Daggas on Deljabans, with 60% light Mugungri. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Normally it kills them all in 1/2 hits.

And?...

[360NyTeMaRe]

...?

[PJ]

Sword, axes and spears serve different purposes.

Fail topic is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaail

[360NyTeMaRe]

Okay PSO-World King.

Nice Phonics!

[PJ]

lolk

Don't you have S2 mobs to OHKO?

[panzer_unit]

wow jerks, eh?

The hanzo's gonna do more damage for a while. 20% better element and 25 more skill levels? That's going to mean more than 500 ATP on weapon.
Once you get the second move on that axe PA, it'll be breaking 1k all the time on the second PA hit.

If you want something to use for damage output in the short term for axe, grab Anga Redda. It levels stupidly fast, and the 2-move combo is 2x2, 2x2 (150%) instead of 2x1, 2x1 (200%)... anga durega catches up on the 3rd hit (redda's isn't so hot) but that's gonna take some hardcore leveling.

[360NyTeMaRe]

Yeah. (sarcasm - look it up)

[360NyTeMaRe]

Allright, I'll look into it! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Soukosa]

On 2007-07-30 13:14, PJ wrote:
Sword, axes and spears serve different purposes.

Fail topic is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaail

QFT

You're comparing a weapon that hits mainly one target with another designed for hitting multiple targets. Quite the apples vs oranges comparison here. Yet one that most people can't understand it seems >.>;

[Foxix]

Well, it depends. They both have their ups and their downs in relation to each other.

I play Protranser so I'm always looking for a way to squeeze one last bit of damage out of what I have. I can tell you right now that in order to be truly effective you will need to use both depending on the situation.

An axe, however powerful it may be in all its wonderful glory, will still only hit one enemy when not using a PA. This makes it very effective against medium sized mobs, that need to be taken down a notch. And as previously stated, axe damage isn't all that regular or predictable.

BUT the sword hits multiple enemies, and in the case of larger enemies like a kamatoze it will also hit multiple parts on the enemy. Also using a sword allows you to spread your damage faster and to more enemies on smaller mobs.

So lets say on a larger beast your axe is batting an average of say 700 damage or something, sounds good! But remember that if he has 2 places he can be hit and you need to watch your PP drainage switch to the sword. That may only hit for say, 400-450 but if thats hitting twice thats a total of 800-900 damage, not only that but your also attacking faster than the axe making the sword a wonderful weapon to switch for enemies like that.

So in the end it's all situational, the best weapon depends on what you need to take down and how. Really the sword can be considered better just because of it's diversity and speed in combat, but so can the axe due to it's high single enemy damage output.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

On 2007-07-30 12:54, 360NyTeMaRe wrote:
That was uncalled for. I am very helpful to the party, and I think killing everything in 1 hit is the most help I can offer, at my own expense for Photon Charges.

Either way, your claim was completely irrelevant, I'm not talking about carrying noobs like yourself through a mission, I just want to know which one hits for more.



If you want to kill everything in one hit, all you'll need is the Relic Gun, it can kill even Dulk Fakis in one hit, and its useable by all classes, but Newmans are the only race that can use it.

[APEXi]

could try this out later. think a decent comparison would be between a 22% ice hanzo and a 22% ice ank tomho i have lying around

[panzer_unit]

... but the poll is between a 38% hanzo w/ lv26 skill, and a 18% axe w/ lv1 skill. COME ON WE KNOW WHATS GONNA DO MORE DAMAGE. SWORD, RIGHT? A fair contest isn't what's being asked for here.

[360NyTeMaRe]

On 2007-07-30 15:34, APEXi wrote:
could try this out later. think a decent comparison would be between a 22% ice hanzo and a 22% ice ank tomho i have lying around



That's dumb though, obviously the axe would win...

Anyway, I calculated to find out the attack power of my weapons, including percentages. The number after the slashmark is the Photon Art ATP total.

38% Fire Hanzo+5 - 1737.42/2726.88
18% Fire Ank Tomho - 1204.24/2608.98

EDIT: The above figures are including the bonus of my character's ATP... 448 - 608 with Hard / Power Charge

It seems like after leveling up the photon art even just 5-6 times, it'll surpass the Hanzo by a bit.


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[panzer_unit]

how are you getting such a crazy PA ATP on your Tomho? That's more than 200% ... doesn't make sense especially for a lv1 skill.

[Sekani]

On 2007-07-30 12:49, JAFO22000 wrote:

On 2007-07-30 12:47, 360NyTeMaRe wrote:
This topic isn't based on damage per second, it's highest critical hit.....
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"I'm not trying to be helpful to the party, I just wanna see the big numbers."


Is it too late to QFT this?

[Mayu]

Hanzo

[360NyTeMaRe]

On 2007-07-30 22:44, panzer_unit wrote:
how are you getting such a crazy PA ATP on your Tomho? That's more than 200% ... doesn't make sense especially for a lv1 skill.



My ATP with Hard / Power Charge is factored into it as well.

[Mystil]

Anga Redda will out damage Tornado Break, on critical and DPS.

Anga Durgrega is slow at first but there is a huge damage spike after combo 1. Tornado Break is faster, strictly speaking on DPS issues here, it would be close to a tie because of the speed/spike differences. The last hit of Tornado Break is also prone to miss atleast 1 hit.

Spinning Break is a different story. It's too slow.

Anga Durgrega doesn't make you wait long for a knockdown, and Tornado Break stuns/flinchs. Good PA's with good uses. Don't just stick to one.



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[panzer_unit]

On 2007-07-30 23:07, 360NyTeMaRe wrote:

My ATP with Hard / Power Charge is factored into it as well.



My bad... it's your regular axe ATP that is way off.
1000 ATP axe + 600 ATP character * 118% for ele = 1200?

I stopped using spears on my main after the DD nerf. I like Anga Redda better, especially as a Protranser where that extra 500 ATP over spear is a 50% boost to your total.

[360NyTeMaRe]

Well, in the process of trying to get to Fortefighter Lv8 so I can use my new Daiga-Misaki, I made enough money to purchase a new axe.

Now, instead of an 18% fire Ank Tomho, I have a 26% fire Ank Tomho+4.

[Prima]

Axe sohuldve been swords, axe is a wierd choice for a weapon type.

[SATatami]

44% Fire pikor. ~1900 damage to kamatoze, hit both targets, both crited. So that's like 3800. >.> Last hit of Redda, too.

[Serephim]

What? Axes are awesome, i just wish they were bigger and not so short and ugly.

[360NyTeMaRe]

Well, today I hit a critical hit with the 26% fire Ank Tomho+4, and it did 880 damage critical, on the first hit of Lv3 Anga Dugrega.

[SATatami]

Well, crap. Low level PAs on axes suk hard. >.> *remembers leveling Dugrega to 11* >.< It's like 13 now. >.>

[e13hack]

Depends which type of enemy.

fire type enemy the axe
any other the sword.

if the PA is level one for axe it will be crappy damage.

you cant compare them if one has a different level PA let alone # of combos

if they were both at 30 then the axe would be best using a PA.

No PA the sword, because its faster and hits 3 enemies at a time http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[360NyTeMaRe]

I mean against ice enemies, I only use fire weapons on ice monsters. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

If I don't have the proper attribute to attack with, I don't. LOL