GC: Duping Is Wide Spread [Archive]

hollowtip

12-26-2002, 02:06 AM

On 2002-12-25 22:11, Tavia wrote:
I still firmly believe that anyone who says that duping ruins the game is simply whining. Yes, it is a pain... and yes, it does severely damage -- if not kill -- the economy. Yet, that is but one aspect of the game. There are many more things to do in PSO. I, personally, do not dupe, nor do I accept free items from strangers. Does it impact my online play? Of course it doesn't. Why should I care? I have plenty of fun on my own, and with my friends.

If all you are concerned about is having the shiniest weapons, and if you think that seeing someone pull out an "impossible" weapon to attain ruins your online life, then I will not miss you when you leave the online PSO community. I am sorry, but I find this kind of logic pathetic.

Let's just put this in a bigger perspective. What if PSO was free of cheating in general? No item or weapon duplicating, no character manipulating ect. Imagine every rare you saw while playing PSO was purely legitimate. Everything about the game would change; weapons would have a larger meaning, and character leveling would be honest (no bullshitting your way up to 180). All the hacking and exploiting glitches in the game takes away from the overall atmosphere Sonic Team is trying to immerse you in. It might not bother the casual gamer or the tech savvy computer programmer, but it effects me, a person who spends most of his time playing videogames and taking shit like this seriously.

Look at EQ, virtually no cheating, and people have made jobs out of selling rare characters and items. If PSO was like this MMORPG (security wise) I would have 10x more fun knowing that my Sting Tip (Yeah I know, I'm waiting for Box PSO, so I don't know any of EP II's rares) that was traded to me was found while playing the game the way it was meant to be played.

It reminds me of the first month of PSO V1. almost completely cheat free, when someone wielded a double saber, it was really something.

BonusKun

12-26-2002, 07:07 AM

There are true rares which almost nobody has & those are the real treasured weapons of PSO I'm questing for.

What are they?

High Photon % Weapons.

Those alone can make even a crap weapon very strong. One friend of mine has one right now. What is it?

Just a simple Last Survivior with a 100%Caves Photon % rating.

Forget all the BS rares. Sure a lot of people have Demolition Comets but I bet most of them have crappy %s to begin with.

Give me a rare with 70% or higher and then you have my attention.

Fuck the Double Cannon. It's junk to me until I Find a Lavis Cannon with something besides 20% Native. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[ This Message was edited by: BonusKun on 2002-12-26 05:11 ]

chiyosuke

12-26-2002, 07:19 AM

er. It's nice that you hate demo comet, but I love mine. I found it myself and it doesn't have that 100% rating, but it has 15/15/0/50 which I just love. I use it when people gave me duped cannons and BKBs and I still use it for some serious work in Ultimate.

Tavia

12-26-2002, 07:20 AM

On 2002-12-26 00:06, hollowtip wrote:
Let's just put this in a bigger perspective. What if PSO was free of cheating in general? No item or weapon duplicating, no character manipulating ect. Imagine every rare you saw while playing PSO was purely legitimate. Everything about the game would change; weapons would have a larger meaning, and character leveling would be honest (no bullshitting your way up to 180). All the hacking and exploiting glitches in the game takes away from the overall atmosphere Sonic Team is trying to immerse you in. It might not bother the casual gamer or the tech savvy computer programmer, but it effects me, a person who spends most of his time playing videogames and taking shit like this seriously.

Pardon me, but due to the fact that I love videogames so much, I take a line like this personally. I could prattle off the list of systems I own... so many that I cannot have them all connected to my entertainment system at the same time. I cannot even have them all -in- my entertainment cabinet at the same time. The videogames? A ton of their boxes are in storage, because otherwise I could not have them all in my room, but I never, ever, throw the boxes and manuals away. I have competed in various videogaming contests, including the "StarFox" SNES contest of old, "Marvel VS Capcom 2", and hell, even a "Space Invaders" -- yeah, the original classic, and on an Atari, not an emulator -- contest held a few years back. (Did I play games like "Space Invaders" when they were new? Yes, I did -- games like "Centipede" and "Buck Rogers" formed some of my first significant videogaming memories.)

Also, in terms of PSO specifically, I have been playing it since the original for Dreamcast came out in Japan, via the magic of importing.

Especially because of my videogaming background, I am not bothered by this cheating. I know that I can enjoy a game despite what everyone does around me. I play the games for the fun and the thrill, for my own personal experience, and also, for the interaction it brings for my friends and I. In offline games, this is real-world interaction; in online games, the virtual reaction between my known friends and the new friends I make in the online world.

Certainly, it would be magnificent if all rares truly were rare. However, it doesn't matter to me much that they are not. It is a shame, and as aforementioned, it does destroy the economy... but that is only one part of PSO, and it is one I can live without.

I am sorry if this is shocking or unheard of to some of you, but I still see the whole lot who complain about duping as whiners. It is not such a big deal. If you must, join a group. Cheaters are everywhere, in every kind of game. Egotistical people are unavoidable. If anything, you are being welcomed to the real world by virtual means... which is unfortunate, since most people play videogames to escape reality, but nonetheless. What would a good "escape" be if it were completely void of realism? If you wanted that, maybe you should play something offline only.

Also, I am amused when people say EQ is cheat free. It is not. People buy their way into immensively powerful characters and take fun slaughtering lower-level ones in PK areas; there is a program out right now that lets you see an entire EQ map along with every enemy and so forth so you can instantly get the jump on everything; people create groups just for the sake of torturing "n00bs"; you'll escape some things like item duping, but you'll be bombarded by rudeness, egotism... which, in my opinion, will always be far worse than seeing someone swing a shiny sword. (Yes, I know egotism exists aplenty in PSO also, but it is easily evaded.)

I am sorry, but no argument I have seen has really legitimized duping being some huge online plague in my mind. If anything, it just seems like a bunch of people getting their panties in a twist because someone has a l33ter weapon than them. Great. I'm sure seeing that makes you feel like all your "grand hours" spent was worthless. That's too bad. I know I had a hell of a lot of fun with all my many hours of PSO, and that seeing someone weilding whatever does not take away my treasured memories from me.

But I guess that's just me.

BonusKun

12-26-2002, 01:05 PM

On 2002-12-26 05:19, chiyosuke wrote:
er. It's nice that you hate demo comet

I'm sorry did I say anywhere in my post with the words, I HATE THE DEMOLITION COMET?

No I didn't so don't put words in my mouth and read what people are posting. I'm talkin about the fact seeing mass BKB's, DC's and Demo Comets is sad because most of the ones I see are either duped or have crappy %s.

That's what I'm talkin about not weather or not I like a certain weapon.

The Demo Comet you have has nice %s for multiple areas. I used my Demo Comet in Ult Mines and Ruins even tho they are 0%.

I usually switch out to my Red Slicer at some points with is 70% Machine in the mines so it does some nasty damage on rows of Gilchics and Canadines.

I put more value on that Slicer than I do my Demo just for the fact that it's got a higher % value over the Demo.

You'd be suprised as to how many people online have no clue as to how %s work.

RuneLateralus

12-27-2002, 03:04 AM

Alright keep the anger off the board. I do not want this topic to turn into a flame war.

Jae

12-27-2002, 11:00 AM

Did everyone get the Lavis, BKB, Zanba, POL Holiday Gift Set for Christmas or what?? Almost every team I've been on since the 25th has had at least one BKB or Lavis weapon. Bah.

I also find it funny that I saw one of the more prominent members of this site giving out stuff on the Vega blocks. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif I guess I shouldn't even bother since this whole duping argument is a dead horse anyway.

So in response to the original poster, yes duping has become widespread.

In response to the other convo going on in here, yes high percentages own everything. I'm currently infatutated with high HIT percentages. The TP trick works beautifully to get high hit% mechguns (or anything else you want) at the store. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[ This Message was edited by: Jae on 2002-12-27 09:03 ]

BonusKun

12-27-2002, 11:33 AM

On 2002-12-27 01:04, RuneLateralus wrote:
Alright keep the anger off the board. I do not want this topic to turn into a flame war.

Trust me sir,
If I wanted to be a jerk I could be but, I have no tolernace for people twisting my words to fit their own personal viewpoint.

The point of a debate is to read and offer an opinion towards another person's viewpoint of any givin topic.

However the chance of misunderstanding is possible it would be preferred by me if that misunderstanding wasn't laced with sarcasm.

I tend to get a bit pissy when people open their mouths without reading what I'm actually talking about.

[ This Message was edited by: BonusKun on 2002-12-27 09:34 ]

Ghen

12-27-2002, 11:35 AM

On 2002-12-26 05:20, Tavia wrote:
But I guess that's just me.

Yup, I guess thats just you. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Vantamiath

12-27-2002, 12:06 PM

Ask yourself these questions

-Would I enjoy PSO squeeky clean cheat-free, or with a high "minor" cheats here and there? (like duping)

-Read your posts, which one of these does it sound like you're defending. (I would think most would be on the legit side)

Ok, as for the girls argument about economy and happy meals, that's truly talk out of your ass. We are paying a horrid monthly fee to play this and in the user agreement this is something it says not to do. A quitter would not let duping get the best of them, but most of the time, these people engage in cheating sooner or later due to this. I realize we as players cant stop cheating (unless you get their guild cards) so it seems best to "avoid" cheating. But I got news for you--you cant avoid cheating. I love when people say "shutup, just play with your firends!"...because when cheating becomes an epidemic, YOU WONT HAVE ANY FRIENDS LEFT, and even the things you take for granted will come to an end. (passworded games...remember DC?)

I think sitting back and avoiding dupers is retarded, because your basically telling them that the game isnt so important to you that you mind having them cheat. It's giving up. I recommend getting their guild cards or sending sega alot of mail. Sure it starts as duping, but it ends with FLOWENing (lol).

Tavia

12-27-2002, 12:16 PM

On 2002-12-27 10:06, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
I think sitting back and avoiding dupers is retarded, because your basically telling them that the game isnt so important to you that you mind having them cheat. It's giving up. I recommend getting their guild cards or sending sega alot of mail. Sure it starts as duping, but it ends with FLOWENing (lol).

I think your argument is rather poorly worded, and as an administrator mentioned previously in this thread, it's advised that you do not turn it into a flame war. Furthermore, it would be ideal to turn in every duper, but most of them are smart enough to not provide you with their guild card. You speak of the problem as if it is easily solved, while that is not the case at all.

I am sorry, but avoiding dupers is not "retarded", as you put it. If you do not provide them with items they do not have, they cannot dupe more than what's already out there; if you do not aid them in games, effectively locking them out of maps in Episode II (since they require multiple people to open a door at some point), they cannot find more rares online; if you do not accept their wares, they cannot spread them around, or at least, they cannot through you. As the matter of friends, I do apologize for the fact that you evidently have so many untrustworthy ones, but there are people who have good friends.

You may think you are fighting some sort of valiant fight, but I doubt you do much more than yelling at dupers in PSO lobbies and then going to play a game. That certainly is a way to enjoy your gaming experience, is it not?

Oh, and for the record, I have personally phoned Sega several times and have even sent them typed letters on the matter, so do not tell me I am doing nothing. I simply know when something can be done, and when something is best avoided.

Have fun screaming at people and claiming that anyone who evades dupers is foolish. I'll go have fun while you sit here and type up a flaming response. Bye-bye.

Vantamiath

12-27-2002, 12:51 PM

Whats the point? You seem so bent on your on views I wont even bother...and maybe you should read the thread a little clearer, I wasnt talking about my friends, nor was I saying you are doing nothing to stop dupers.

Seriously, not stepping on the switches for them to advance...that is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Not giving them items to increase their database of dupes? Please. Dupers dont need your help--TRUST ME on that one.

Vantamiath

12-27-2002, 12:59 PM

On 2002-12-27 10:06, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
so it seems best to "avoid" cheating. But I got news for you--you cant avoid cheating.

I think sitting back and avoiding dupers is retarded, because your basically telling them that the game isnt so important to you that you mind having them cheat.

Maybe before you go to your guns, you should read why I think it is foolish to avoid/let duping slide.

And you possibly cant be having fun, you seem pretty sour to me. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/eviltongue.gif

BrokenHope

12-27-2002, 07:55 PM

On 2002-12-25 19:52, zerohoax wrote:

On 2002-12-25 15:53, ShadowDragon wrote:
rofl its sega. and maby they found the weps because u know some 1 has to find the wep befor it gets duped rite?

Not true say if someone can connect to the japanese server of version 1 and then get some of the commonly duped rares and then bring them to the us version noone is the wiser. but things get spread and now the duping method is getting spread along with the rares. Pretty soon someone who doesnt care for the game anymore is gonna post how to do it on a site then it will get even worse than it already is, and thats pretty bad.

You mean how you posted both the US and JP dupe methods on your site http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

BonusKun

12-28-2002, 05:23 AM

On 2002-12-27 10:59, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
And you possibly cant be having fun, you seem pretty sour to me. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/eviltongue.gif

Actually I'm having a blast with the game even if all the rare weapons are being duped.

I don't care either way seeing as what others are doing with duping isn't effecting me so why should you or anyone else care what it does for you?

You paid your money, enjoy the game and don't give a lick what others are doing.

PSO being cheat free on the gamecube was a wet dream to begin with.

The X Box version will be hacked a lot worse than the GC version was messed with.

Stoic

12-28-2002, 07:20 AM

Back in the dreamcast days for atleast the first month the trade community was huge, I was a merchant myself. Traded/sold/bought, and on ocasion stole what I needed to get whatI wanted. We had fun playing the shady merchant the guy who had everything I ran a legitiment business... well not legitiment but well umm cheat free business and I loved that aspect of PSO, I understand Sonic team can't patch this because it's a glitch on the disc not the server so a server side patch wouldn't help anything. this is why I believe PSO Xbox will be better because sonic team will have the ability to do both server side and client side patches...

People may hate my business practice but I'm still a man of high moral ethics... Cheaters ruined my business by making everything so damn common I actaully had to go to the Hunters Guild and get an honest job... *sob*the good old days are gone for ever*sob*

Tavia

12-28-2002, 12:39 PM

On 2002-12-28 05:20, Stoic wrote:
People may hate my business practice but I'm still a man of high moral ethics... Cheaters ruined my business by making everything so damn common I actaully had to go to the Hunters Guild and get an honest job... *sob*the good old days are gone for ever*sob*

It's kind of odd. I would hate it if my weapon were stolen, but then again, I knew better than to equip something rare while playing with strangers on the DC. Did you use PK, or did you just wait for characters to die and then snatch their weapons and Meseta? If you took their Meseta too, that is.

Anyway, why I say it's kind of odd is, I would rather have thieves in the economy than cheaters. It's more realistic. It gives you a reason to be protective of your weaponry, but at least you know that if you're buying something off of the black market, it's not going to get you banned. It's still a legitimate item, even if gained through illegitimate means.

A lot of people probably would disagree with this, stating that everything should be perfect. However, the same MMORPGS that people usually compare PSO to have plenty of thieves. In most fantasy games, they're playable and/or primary characters. Also, in a lot of computer games at least, you have the option to be an evil character... and that's becoming more common in console gaming, as well.

So, I'd say, why not? It's realism, and it's far better than cheating. Unless you PKed to get your weapons. Then, in the fantasy world, you'd be considered a murdering pillager.

Munki

12-28-2002, 03:24 PM

You know what? I am gonna have to side with Tavia on this one... Yes, dupes, dupers, etc. all suck. They do lower some aspects of the game. But in the end, they don't destroy the fun of the game. There are some people out there that are a blast to play with, and when they bust out a pretty rare that you KNOW is a legit weapon, its just that cool.

I have friends, a good number from this board, that I love to play with online. They are great players, they know how to share, and they are all for playing with legitamite weapons. Me? I still have a BLAST when I go online. So how have dupers affected me? Well, I guess it's a bit harder to trade... but that's about it.

As I am fond of saying all the time, enjoy the journey, not the destination. The fun in this game is had playing with your friends, not how many shiny toys you got when you stop playing.

I have had regulars I play with show up with a lot of obvious dupes (funny enough after christmas, lol), and that was their decision to use the dupes. I don't begrudge them their decisions, and I still play with them. I think I enjoy myself more with other people that are dupe-less, as the games are more challenging with them.

Anyway, cheating won't stop. On either side of the pacific. It is something you got to deal with. People say EQ is cheat free, but I have friends (never played myself) bitch about certain programs that allow you to see when monsters respawn, etc. People camping and so forth. True, that isn't duping, but I still consider it cheating. Using an outside program to influence the knowledge gleaned from the game, that you shouldn't necisarily have, well my friend, that is cheating. So cheating will always exist in games. People will always try and 'get rich quick'. You can't change that. Just be glad that they can't directly affect your game (yet).

That's my bit, sorry for the length. OooK!

Tavia

12-28-2002, 06:59 PM

On 2002-12-28 13:24, Munki wrote:
You know what? I am gonna have to side with Tavia on this one... Yes, dupes, dupers, etc. all suck. They do lower some aspects of the game. But in the end, they don't destroy the fun of the game. There are some people out there that are a blast to play with, and when they bust out a pretty rare that you KNOW is a legit weapon, its just that cool.

In a great and fittingly lighthearted way, you summarized how I feel about it. Groovy.

I have friends, a good number from this board, that I love to play with online. They are great players, they know how to share, and they are all for playing with legitamite weapons. Me? I still have a BLAST when I go online. So how have dupers affected me? Well, I guess it's a bit harder to trade... but that's about it.

As I am fond of saying all the time, enjoy the journey, not the destination. The fun in this game is had playing with your friends, not how many shiny toys you got when you stop playing.

I have had regulars I play with show up with a lot of obvious dupes (funny enough after christmas, lol), and that was their decision to use the dupes. I don't begrudge them their decisions, and I still play with them. I think I enjoy myself more with other people that are dupe-less, as the games are more challenging with them.

Hmm, but on the matter of challenge, it would have to depend on whether they were wise dupe-users or not. If you have someone who is new to PSO who's received a bundle of duped handouts, chances are they're using the "prettiest"/"kewlest" one, which could be a weak and/or slow weapon. Of course, since you said you're playing with PSOW regulars, I wouldn't picture them falling for that. I usually only play with my fellows at LPSO (http://www.lpso.cjb.net), but there are other friends and a few allies I've made whom I play with, too. Legit all the way, baybee.

Anyway, cheating won't stop. On either side of the pacific. It is something you got to deal with. People say EQ is cheat free, but I have friends (never played myself) bitch about certain programs that allow you to see when monsters respawn, etc. People camping and so forth. True, that isn't duping, but I still consider it cheating. Using an outside program to influence the knowledge gleaned from the game, that you shouldn't necisarily have, well my friend, that is cheating. So cheating will always exist in games. People will always try and 'get rich quick'. You can't change that. Just be glad that they can't directly affect your game (yet).

That's my bit, sorry for the length. OooK!

By the way, I've always wanted to say this, but never had a prime opportunity: Your sig graphic is the shiz.

[ This Message was edited by: Tavia on 2002-12-28 17:00 ]

mystic_knight

12-28-2002, 07:24 PM

On 2002-12-28 13:24, Munki wrote:

Anyway, cheating won't stop. On either side of the pacific. It is something you got to deal with. People say EQ is cheat free, but I have friends (never played myself) bitch about certain programs that allow you to see when monsters respawn, etc. People camping and so forth. True, that isn't duping, but I still consider it cheating. Using an outside program to influence the knowledge gleaned from the game, that you shouldn't necisarily have, well my friend, that is cheating. So cheating will always exist in games. People will always try and 'get rich quick'. You can't change that. Just be glad that they can't directly affect your game (yet).

That's my bit, sorry for the length. OooK!

You're friends are being whiners...trust me, at about the time you start you're higher level/epic quests, you can do nothing but camp items, because some of the rare monsters are on about 12 hour spawn cycles that barely have a chance of actually spawning the monster you need. Example: To get my monk's red headband (i think thats what it was) i had to camp an undead gnoll from about 7AM to a good 4PM, just because his place holder always spawned, and not him. And that was just 1 of the pieces i needed for that quest. And as for finding info on drops and spawn times...its essential that you do because quests on that game are insanely vague...sometimes not even telling you what you need (i.e. part of a monk quest is to find "a rare book", now that tells me absolutely nothing about the items i need because there are a LOT of books.) The reason your friends are probably complaining is the fact that they didnt get to the camp first.

Sorry for going off topic, its just when someone calls a common and neccessary practice in a game cheating its bothers me.

Stoic

12-28-2002, 08:27 PM

On 2002-12-28 10:39, Tavia wrote:

It's kind of odd. I would hate it if my weapon were stolen, but then again, I knew better than to equip something rare while playing with strangers on the DC. Did you use PK, or did you just wait for characters to die and then snatch their weapons and Meseta?

No I didn't pk I didn't even know PK exsisted untill well after I stoped doing business, when your best comstumers are level 1 with every weapon imaginible... You know something is up... But I was very creatative I was like level 80 so I would offere to take some one to an area they would get killed in in no time at all and act like I would protect them... Then take their weapon and their cash depending on how much they had...

Have a nice day http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

malinko

12-29-2002, 06:33 PM

2Xtreme

12-29-2002, 10:12 PM

I'm really starting to wonder if I should send in the money order for my keyboard tomorrow. I don't wanna shell out 160 clams (Canadian) for something I might not use soon. Because, as it was previously stated - If the cheating gets worse or continues, I'm gone. Sonic Team, fuck you.

Tavia

12-29-2002, 10:24 PM

On 2002-12-29 20:12, 2Xtreme wrote:
Sonic Team, fuck you.

I lose all respect for PSO players when they make statements like these. So, you would like to tell SonicTeam to screw, despite the fun you had with PSO? You would like to tell SonicTeam to blow off, despite all of the time they spent creating this game, its servers and what not, which undoubtedly originally wowed you if you've played it this long? Can you program a better game? Do you really let something as trivial as the duping of items make you think a game is worthless, and that an accomplished team of programmers is obviously full of it because the game isn't 100% without flaws? Does the presence of duped items wipe away all your good PSO memories? Or does duping make you so angry that anything you enjoyed is instantly nullifed?

More than ever, I'm annoyed by people who slur Sega and SonicTeam. They're not the ones who told a bunch of people to take advantage of the game. Yeah, they have the power to fix it, to a limited degree. However, that won't fix players' ethics, and considering that there are plenty of self-proclaimed legits who have sticks up their asses as well, I doubt it would change much. Either you have a blatantly duping society, or a totally rude bunch of players. Me, I personally don't see a huge difference between the two, and right now, they're really combined... but who cares?

It is not that hard to find sociable people to play with. It is not that life-threatening to encounter crappy players. So many people make it sound as if this is some apocalyptic end to the world. Come on. Where do you live, in a city with a population of 500 where everyone was weaned on good ol' fashioned manners? Do you not live? Do you really think this is absolutely unheard of?

Geh. That's enough ranting for me today. I feel better. I just can't stand it when people disrespect a group they know nothing about. I do hope everyone who "hates" SonicTeam has fun telling them off. That kind of feedback certainly will not motivate them to create a game that's flawless and custom-tailored to your ungrateful selves.

Vantamiath

12-30-2002, 01:26 AM

On 2002-12-29 20:24, Tavia wrote:
It is not that hard to find sociable people to play with.

Right now you can anyway...(shifty eyes)

When cheating on the DC became an epidemic, (which can happen to the GC) I could count the number of "sociable" people to play with on one hand on the US servers. (I mean jebus people, there was cheating in challenge mode)

I remember "running" into a legit in "standard" mode about once every month, and when you found another legit, it was as rare as all the rares combined.
(Lets all say rare 7 times)

Trust me Tavia, cheating starts small and then starts to grow...(Kind of like a..tumor?) and no matter what you say...sooner or later it affects EVERYONE--even the people with online "friends"

If you can keep 3 people in-line during a cheating plague like the DC days--I will kiss your ass and call you Saint Teresa.

Btw...I agree on your anti-bashing ST, but if you think about it...why pity the company that is charging you pay-to-play online and not meeting their end of the bargin? Hell I did my part--I paid for a liscense--what did ST do? Put up Xmas decorations and cheery music? Hell yeah!! Keep on kicking ass ST!

(Countdown to Tavia flipping out & going on a killing rampage in; 5,4,3,2,1...)

Tavia

12-30-2002, 07:17 AM

On 2002-12-29 23:26, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
Btw...I agree on your anti-bashing ST, but if you think about it...why pity the company that is charging you pay-to-play online and not meeting their end of the bargin? Hell I did my part--I paid for a liscense--what did ST do? Put up Xmas decorations and cheery music? Hell yeah!! Keep on kicking ass ST!

(Countdown to Tavia flipping out & going on a killing rampage in; 5,4,3,2,1...)

Actually, that doesn't make me mad at all. I believe SonicTeam is doing their minimal fair share, considering that they already developed the game and have to work on others now. Sega does not have a team specifically dedicated to PSO, and thus, it cannot be updated as frequently and efficiently as some PC MMORPGS. (Or, in the opinions of some, I suppose you would classify PSO as an ORPG and nothing but.)

However, who wouldn't want more quests and special items? If someone said they didn't, I would find that hard to believe, unless they truly loved the stages that are already there and never did quests anyway. I would be lying if I said I didn't want any new content. Of course I would. That would be awesome.

Still, I look at Sega as a corporate with other pressing issues -- such as staying afloat in the marketplace, since being a third party is not as simple as they thought it would be -- and SonicTeam as an understaffed team. You can only do so much when you have to be making new games while maintaining an old one.

A lot of people think PSO is all ST has to sit around and do to get their paychecks, and it, by far, is not.

Munki

12-30-2002, 06:02 PM

On 2002-12-28 16:59, Tavia wrote:

By the way, I've always wanted to say this, but never had a prime opportunity: Your sig graphic is the shiz.

Thanks. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif I love it too, was a lot of fun making it. lol.

Anyway, I wanted to add my 2 cents about anit-ST statements. As a professional in the game-development industry, I think it is unfair of people to want to crucify a small group of individuals who have many buisness intrests to keep in mind. I am sure that ST would love to add TONS more features, to completely destroy all cheating, etc. But unfortunately, time is a horrible advisery. And money.

Remember, this game was a port. Sega did do a bunch of new stuff, and changed a bit of the game around. But ports = lower sales. Almost everytime. Why have ST waste tons of time trying to fill in EVERY nook and cranny that exists? It is not easy to stop the GS type devices when you don't have the stuff saved server side. And if it was server side, then you might have to dump narrowband support entirely. And that is a move that I think is far too radical to imagine Sega taking on a game that already doesn't have high sales predictions. Since you are forcing people to buy a network device (modem/bba) to get online, you are ALREADY cutting your market up.

Anyway, I agree that I would like to see a bit more action for my 9$ a month, but c'mon. ST has made a game that you obviously care for, as you wouldn't be on a site cursing their name for it not being totally perfect. Doesn't that count for anything? I think it's a hell of an achievement.

Ryo_Hayasa

12-30-2002, 08:38 PM

here i haven't gotten online and i hear about cheating, what do they do, i know dupping would be the first thing, and there isn't anything you can do about it, just deal with it i guess.
basicaly i'm asking what else is going on online thats considered "Cheating" besides dupping?
i myself have three dream items i would like to have
Panzer tail,Meteor Cudgel, and a Chao mag.
the likey hood of finding these online let along actally picking them up is pretty low. bu ti shall stride on....i guess...
are there "item snacher" online at this moment in time?

1ncubus87

12-30-2002, 08:55 PM

I just had a huge cheater today. I was playing and I was giving my hildeblue cane for pycho wand to a user named Darth Vato. When were done trading, all my weapons that werent equipped were GONE! These include my hildebear cane, double saber, foi merge and more. I HATE THIS. That made me so angry. I don't know what to do, because I don't think there is anything I can do.

Ryo_Hayasa

12-30-2002, 09:12 PM

wow, thats sound horrid, how can they do that? is there some sorta way to hack into the game it's self.
i played online on DC for 3 days all i saw was Duppers (which i have no problem with) and the almighty PKers. what else is there it has been 2 years

Tavia

12-31-2002, 08:47 AM

On 2002-12-30 18:55, 1ncubus87 wrote:
I just had a huge cheater today. I was playing and I was giving my hildeblue cane for pycho wand to a user named Darth Vato. When were done trading, all my weapons that werent equipped were GONE! These include my hildebear cane, double saber, foi merge and more. I HATE THIS. That made me so angry. I don't know what to do, because I don't think there is anything I can do.

Did you accidentally put all of your items into the trade window and send them away? Or did you suffer a SOD? I really doubt the respective "cheater" was responsible for "stealing" your items.

TheWiLL

12-31-2002, 01:30 PM

I usually make fun of the people with dupe stuff. O look another Comet. Some kid got Lavis Cannon, Demo Comet and a BKB for trade and I was like I know where you got them from!! He said he found them all and have at least a few copies of each of them. I left that game. Some other kid join a Ult game and fought with a Punisher. O look another Punisher. 2 people with each Punishers is wrong. Getting to the point with 4 HUmars with Spread Needles back in DCv2. Sigh.

Tavia

12-31-2002, 10:45 PM

On 2002-12-31 11:30, TheWiLL wrote:
I usually make fun of the people with dupe stuff. O look another Comet. Some kid got Lavis Cannon, Demo Comet and a BKB for trade and I was like I know where you got them from!! He said he found them all and have at least a few copies of each of them. I left that game. Some other kid join a Ult game and fought with a Punisher. O look another Punisher. 2 people with each Punishers is wrong. Getting to the point with 4 HUmars with Spread Needles back in DCv2. Sigh.

If you stop playing PSO because of dupers, I will go over your house and beat your ass. (Yes, I know him personally.)

And you need to sign on PSO more.

kaseius

01-01-2003, 02:27 AM

I just recently got PSO for GC, and I still owe my friend 20 bucks, so by the time I can get a modem and play online, cheating is probably going to be worse. I don't really care, either. I'll play with my friends. It's not that big of a deal.

EsperJ

01-01-2003, 11:09 AM

Duping and such isn't really a huge problem when you got steady freinds to play with- however, import players like myself are finding it harder, as most of us are still awaiting to be rejoined with old 'legit' freinds.

DJ_Monkey

01-01-2003, 04:00 PM

On 2002-12-29 23:26, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
If you can keep 3 people in-line during a cheating plague like the DC days--I will kiss your ass and call you Saint Teresa....XD

Stop whining about cheaters. Unless stuff like NOL, PK, FSoD(the kind that other players start), and CK comes along, the game is still okay. Who cares about the n00bs that have their duped "uber-l33t" LABIS CAMMOM+OMG50(hehe, always wanted to mock n00bs like that =P); the real rare is the Charge Vulcan+9 with 100/50/50/50/75(or any other reasonably powerful weapon with insane percentages).

Anyone who dupes weapons to gain respect doesn't deserve respect at all. Anyone who gets off on PKing other players can rot in hell. But, don't let those jerks put you down. Tell them that you don't approve. If need be, make fun of them publically so they get discouraged from duping. I did that to a duper 2 days ago, and I haven't heard of him duping as of yet.

DJ_Monkey

01-01-2003, 04:02 PM

One more thing...what's a BKB?

Tavia

01-01-2003, 04:47 PM

On 2003-01-01 14:02, DJ_Monkey wrote:
One more thing...what's a BKB?

Black King Bar, if I remember correctly.

Also, um... on the matter of mocking dupers... I think they will just laugh at you, if anything. There's really not much of a point to that.

OdinTyler

01-01-2003, 09:49 PM

TAVIA: This message is for you. Took me forever to get through this thread (some I passed over) but I read enough about you to want to meet up with you online sometime. I see you posted your char names. If you do want to meet up, let me know. You probably wont see me with a char with the name OdinTyler but check my profile & you will see who I use as. Let me know what you want to do. I love PSO (& games in general). We both go way back to the days of Atari & wouldnt mind fighting alongside someone whos from that time! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Eden

01-01-2003, 10:17 PM

I used to get pissed but now everytime I play a game and see everyone using BKBS and saying that their legit I just laugh

DJ_Monkey

01-03-2003, 07:52 PM

On 2003-01-01 14:47, Tavia wrote:

On 2003-01-01 14:02, DJ_Monkey wrote:
One more thing...what's a BKB?

Black King Bar, if I remember correctly.

Also, um... on the matter of mocking dupers... I think they will just laugh at you, if anything. There's really not much of a point to that.

Not really; I got a whole lobby laughing at a duper one time...

TeamPhalanx

01-03-2003, 08:22 PM

On 2003-01-01 20:17, Eden wrote:
I used to get pissed but now everytime I play a game and see everyone using BKBS and saying that their legit I just laugh

Um... I have a Legit one (for real).

SuperSpeedy

01-03-2003, 10:35 PM

Dupers don't bother me, mainly because I haven't gotten online yet. But they'll be like the skool bully (and Omochao) to me: a nucience that, when overwhelmed with, will make me snap.
BTW, Tavia. If I get get on PSO through Juno this Saturday, I'll try to meet up with you at 875 beats.(3:00 PM in my timezone!)

[ This Message was edited by: SuperSpeedy on 2003-01-04 07:35 ]

Vantamiath

01-04-2003, 12:04 AM

I love the people who say they hate dupers; but use handed down dupes.

IceBurner

01-04-2003, 12:40 AM

It's junk to me until I Find a Lavis Cannon with something besides 20% Native.

There's a duped Lavis Cannon with 20% Native floating around? That matches the one my girlfriend gave me ... I know she wouldn't dupe items, but I also know she's not so picky about who she plays with. I hoped it was real but I figured it was probably passed along to her, grrrr, bastards.

I've bee able to avoid using it because my ATP isn't high enough yet without borrowing her STR MAG. I wanted to find out if it matched a known duped item first. Unfortunately. it seems to. I want to just drop it in an offline game and quit, but there's a hitch in that line of thought:

It's the only gift she's given me that I didn't have all ready, how can I explain getting rid of it to her? >_<;;; I'm not going to use it or keep it in my storage, but if I trash or hide and never speak of it again, she'd notice and feel hurt. I'm unsure telling her "It's a dupe" would go over well ... someone, please help! o_O;

GandorDurin

01-04-2003, 04:28 AM

Skip sleep and try to turn it into a Lavis Blade, or whatever the next level Lavis thing is.

You have to find one of those Syncenta things, not sure how to spell it.

I'm interested in finding myself a lavis cannon, which I'll be able to do very soon...My force character is getting closer to level 80, and I'll be able to do Ultimate in multiplayer finally.

As for the Syncenta whatever thing...I haven't looked it up yet but it isn't under any of my ID's so...Maybe when I get online someone will trade me one for something (or things) of mine that isn't considered junk, so I don't feel like I'm cheating. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

With all those Dupe vs. Legit nonsense going on, it's impossible to trust anyone other than your friends. Of course, since none of my real life friends will be going online with this game, I certainly hope I can meet some people that won't drop a super item every 5 minutes and complain that I can't kill a Bartle in a hit.

My Red Partisan and Orotiagito work fine!

If I do find or make a really great weapon/armor, I don't think I'll use it online, unless it's with some friends I (hopefully will) make. Since everyone already knows what the duped items look like, it's pointless to try to 'show it off' to people who will just call it a dupe, anywho.

Although I do feel that people are going a bit overboard with this whole thing. This debate is no different a roaring fire. Every comment is another piece of wood chucked in. It won't go out until everything is burnt and ruined.

But anyway, I'm coming online (eventually) PSO to have fun. If anyone wants to call anything I have a dupe, I'll say it's an honor to know I have something dupe-worthy. If anyone asks me to leave because they feel I have duped items, I will do so.

If the people in the group aren't having fun, chances are I won't either. Sure I can fight to prove my 'legitamacy', but it's a pointless fight...I shouldn't have to prove to complete strangers that I haven't cheated. I'd prefer to not be considered in either category, duper or legit, for they both seem to feel they're above the other...Eh I don't want to get into some philosophical debate (not just because I'd get lost, really!) about something I'm still a 'newbie' at understanding, but at least I want to know why it's so important that everything go exactly your way?

I've come to live by a simple phrase: "Shit happens, deal with it." I don't like being vulgar, but it really makes things simple. Instead of arguing a point that has no validity other than "it's wrong because that's how I was raised" or "other people are doing it so it must be okay and no one should be bothered by it", put your feelings aside and whisper the four magic words to yourself..."It's only a game."

I realize that was a long post and probably way off topic, seeing as I don't even recall what the topic was, eheh, but remember that it's all an opinion from an offline gamer. But also bear in mind that I _have_ played many online RPG type games, so this isn't the first time I've heard squabbling between cheaters and non-cheaters. I do not wish to feed the fires, but I also don't have a big enough bucket to put it out. I've put as much thought into this as I could at 5 am, so forgive me if I've dragged on too long. Good night, or morning actually!

[ This Message was edited by: GandorDurin on 2003-01-04 02:32 ]