Fortegunner+Dual Pistol lover= Sad

[-Kenji-]

Ayep...got nothing to do at work so I decided to make a post here again. As none of you know/care I'm the self proclaimed "First American Cast" on PSU (at least I never saw another cast for a while and was told it early on I was the only CAST people saw) who fell in love with Twin Pistols.

As a CAST and Ranger...obviously the best choices for me would be Fortegunner or Figunner. But, sadly, none of them had access to Twin Pistol S rank weaponry. A bit of a downer for me. I'm wondering if this had happened to anyone else?

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Thanks to Artea for catchin' that little memory error. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif That's what I get for posting on a forum at work.

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[Sekani]

Curse those gimpy wartechers and their twin handguns. Blasphemy, I tell you!

[Powder Keg]

Uh...what?? The only Sranks Wartechers have are Daggers and Twin Daggers... and why are you saying Fortegunners and Fighunners don't get Sranks at all?

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[-Kenji-]

Eh? Ooopsie! Guntecher I meant to say. Good catch Artea.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif I haven't played PSU in ages. My memory is shot.

-edit-
I'm just saying I hate the fact Fortegunner doesn't have S rank Twin Pistols, which were my favorite weapon to use as the ability to shoot and maneuver so well I could go through entire levels without getting hit once.



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[RegulusHikari]

FG gets rifle, shotgun, and grenade (and laser if you care >_>), if you love twins THAT much, maybe you should just be a GT and stop complaining about it.

I'm a Figun and like Spears. I hated not having the access to S rank spears so I took the initiative to train FF as well so I could use them when I wish.

Every class except WT (even with S wands) has a balanced S rank arsenal in my opinion. But then again, if PT is going to become the Fortefighgunner and steal all of the exclusives from FF and FG, maybe FG should nab S twins and GT take S cards.

[Golto]

Fortegunners are supposed to be the masters of guns so they should be able to equip srank twin handguns and machineguns. But if that happened Guntechers would be almost pointless.

[Powder Keg]

Guntechers should have S rank Bows as well, and Wartechers should have been given S rank claws and Twin Claws.

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-08-16 08:42, -Kenji- wrote:
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Thanks to Artea for catchin' that little memory error. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif That's what I get for posting on a forum at work.

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Didn't Sekani catch your error first?

[RegulusHikari]

On 2007-08-16 09:10, Artea wrote:
Guntechers should have S rank Bows as well, and Wartechers should have been given S rank claws and Twin Claws.



My thoughts exactly (though GTs ARE getting S bows). And The S wands are kind of pointless since WTs will be using Madoogs more than wands. -_-;

The S twins would work out for FG if GT received another S rank from the Force class, like wands or cards.

[Criss]

Fortegunner are the masters of heavy ranged weaponry. Guntechers are gunslinger masters. Each class has its strength and weakness and it's fine as it is. If you love twins that much, why don't you try multiclassing as GT?

[Sharkyland]

I guess what he's trying to say... besides the s rank pistol, fortegunners should have a quick mobile attack since you really can't strafe that much as a FG with the s ranks provided besides the pistol.

[chibiLegolas]

This is exactly my point from the S rank drop rates thread.
S ranks is too dam hard to obtain right now, my advice is to not worry at ALL about which class gets what S rank. First get ANY S rank weapon (after successfully synth it), THEN worry which class can use it.

This shouldn't be the right way to see things, but the current drop rates of boards forces me to see things this way.

[ChyronType0]

Crossbows>Twin Handguns

[PALRAPPYS]

In my opinions, these improvements should be made:


Fortefighter-
A Shadoogs
S Pistol (IMO, cuz it's their only ranged weaponry)
A Slicer

Fighgunner-
Nothing. Maybe S Twin Pistols...

Wartecher-
S Claw
S Dual claws
S Madoogs

Fortegunner-
S Twin Pistols

Guntecher-
S Cards

Fortetecher-
A Madoogs

Protranser-
lol their S rank arsenal is nice. No improvements.

Acro's-
Good enough as is. Kinda wished Fighter woulda kept S Twin Sabers and Techer woulda kept S Twin Daggers. But it's fine with me.



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[jayster]

what's your id number?

[darkante]

On 2007-08-16 09:47, chibiLegolas wrote:
This is exactly my point from the S rank drop rates thread.
S ranks is too dam hard to obtain right now, my advice is to not worry at ALL about which class gets what S rank. First get ANY S rank weapon (after successfully synth it), THEN worry which class can use it.

This shouldn't be the right way to see things, but the current drop rates of boards forces me to see things this way.


Best thing i have heard all day.
I love the Twin Pistols on my Fortegunner but it is pretty hard to get S-ranks in general to work.

It will take a very long time to get one and the atp is just slightly better then the 9 star weapons and i still think Fortegunner will beat Guntecher in the current condition in the atp department even though they get S-rank and FG doesn´t.

[stukasa]

Sure I'm disappointed (I love twin handguns too http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif) but I don't think it's unfair. As other people have said, twins are more of a GT specialty.

[MrNomad]

On 2007-08-16 09:57, darkante wrote:

On 2007-08-16 09:47, chibiLegolas wrote:
This is exactly my point from the S rank drop rates thread.
S ranks is too dam hard to obtain right now, my advice is to not worry at ALL about which class gets what S rank. First get ANY S rank weapon (after successfully synth it), THEN worry which class can use it.

This shouldn't be the right way to see things, but the current drop rates of boards forces me to see things this way.


Best thing i have heard all day.
I love the Twin Pistols on my Fortegunner but it is pretty hard to get S-ranks in general to work.

It will take a very long time to get one and the atp is just slightly better then the 9 star weapons and i still think Fortegunner will beat Guntecher in the current condition in the atp department even though they get S-rank and FG doesn´t.


Exactly, IF you happen to come across an S rank board, you could be a lucky guardian to have a very rare weapon! Now all you need to do is find the mats for it (another oddessy on its own) and you can start the coin toss-err, synthing! Lets hope it works!....Yaay, we have an S rank! 10* twin saber, 16% ice, kubara product (-10% dmg on pas) Sweet, now we can show off our cool gear! Hey tony, I see you've been continously synthing those 9* weapons, whats that? 9* twin saber, 35% ice, GRM product (blend of dmg and pp, and no deduction in any attack) What Im trying to say is, worry less about the S rank weapons themselves and worry more about making better A ranks, afterall when you get one with a high % It can end up stronger than an S rank! Although one good thing about most S rank kubara products are they have waay more pp, but its also weaker than normal weapons

[Golto]

Well the low atp type srank guns like twin handguns can't overcome the 11%-17% character atp difference between Guntecher and Fortegunner. So its really about looks not more damage for the reason why Fortegunners want srank twin handguns.

[HaydenX]

On 2007-08-16 09:54, PALRAPPYS wrote:
In my opinions, these improvements should be made:


Fortefighter-
A Shadoogs
S Pistol (IMO, cuz it's their only ranged weaponry)

Fighgunner-
Nothing. They have enough.

Wartecher-
S Claw
S Dual claws
S Madoogs

Fortegunner-
S Twin Pistols

Guntecher-
S Cards

Fortetecher-
A Madoogs

Protranser-
lol their S rank arsenal is nice. No improvements.

Acro's-
Good enough as is. Kinda wished Fighter woulda kept S Twin Sabers and Techer woulda kept S Twin Daggers. But it's fine with me.



WT will be fine with the A-rank Madoogs they get. I think that fortegunner should get the slicer a-rank to go along with mechgun S-rank.
GT needs a higher ATP...that's all for GT (and s-rank bows...but we're getting that anyway).


These are just opinions though.

[amtalx]

I would much rather have S-rank Xbows over Twin Handguns. Xbows own Twins any day of the week...and twice on Sunday. Twin Handguns are the super deluxe easy button.

[Midicronica]

I like it the way it is just fine. I really don't think anything should be changed. Well...I think FiG should have at least one ranged S rank. S rank cards for GT? I already deal an ungodly amount of damage with 9* Mira-Kikami and LVL30 Reisiei-shiki as a F Cast GT, I'm just fine with A ranks. I can't wait to see an AF with a well trained card bullet. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[IHeartRice]

IMO, Guntecher should have had S-Rank Cards/Fans/ThrowingBlades originally instead of S-Rank Twin handguns. It would make more sense for Fortegunner to have S-Rank Twin Handguns since it is a 2 handed weapon.

[360NyTeMaRe]

I really don't like dual pistols, and I think a lot of people who obsess over them tend to be...you know...less...smart...than me...

[HaydenX]

On 2007-08-16 10:44, IHeartRice wrote:
IMO, Guntecher should have had S-Rank Cards/Fans/ThrowingBlades originally instead of S-Rank Twin handguns. It would make more sense for Fortegunner to have S-Rank Twin Handguns since it is a 2 handed weapon.



Nooo...Twin Handguns consist of 2 one-handed weapons...which is what GT does best.

[Valkayree]

Hmm, I got the game the first day on 360 in the US, and saw plenty of casts... Also, Fortegunner is more of a big gun specialist, it seems, but yes, it is disappointing that twin pistols aren't S rank for those guys. However, you could also complain that mechguns are only single handed...


On 2007-08-16 08:42, -Kenji- wrote:
Ayep...got nothing to do at work so I decided to make a post here again. As none of you know/care I'm the self proclaimed "First American Cast" on PSU (at least I never saw another cast for a while and was told it early on I was the only CAST people saw) who fell in love with Twin Pistols.

As a CAST and Ranger...obviously the best choices for me would be Fortegunner or Figunner. But, sadly, none of them had access to Twin Pistol S rank weaponry. A bit of a downer for me. I'm wondering if this had happened to anyone else?

[Urtri]

1. Fortegunner - Sniper, and heavy weapons specilist
2. Guntecher - Support and Mobile firepower specilist
3. Protranser - Demolition Specilist (why are protransers getting S rank Bows btw does'nt make any sense)

thats how i see the 3 main gun types

My main is a Fortegunner and all i use as her is Rifles (the oly S rank exculisive for fortegunners when AotI comes out) and grenade lunchers (i love these things on Bosses) and i dont mind not having S rank twin handguns cause i love rifles to much (better ATP,ATA,element % and range). Ok there are times i'd like to be able to shoot and scoot (Sendilliens mostly) but honestly when i do use twins i miss the damage i can do and the SE4 statues effect i can inflict (i've loved confusion since the time i saw a confused deljaben insta kill 1 deljabenand 2 Bel Pannonsin Unsafe Passage S2)

[Niered]

Im pretty sure fortegunners get S rank dualies in AoI. Nearly positive.

That said, all the relevant points have been made here. S ranks a re impossible to find, crossbows are better, yada yada.

[amtalx]

fGs get jack in AoI. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif We get Lvl 40 Bullets, Lvl 20 Skills, and one of the -doogs. The left handed one that would have to replace my Xbow/Machinegun to use it...GTFO no thanks.

[Hrith]

On 2007-08-16 12:01, amtalx wrote:
fGs get jack in AoI. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif We get Lvl 40 Bullets, Lvl 20 Skills, and one of the -doogs. The left handed one that would have to replace my Xbow/Machinegun to use it...GTFO no thanks.QFT

Also, twin handgun is the worst possible weapon for a Fortegunner, you're not missing anything.

[Niered]

Alright, I could be completely wrong here, but like I said earlier, Im pretty sure fortegunners get S rank dualies. In fact, Im pretty sure that most of the classes get alot of there A ranks turned into S ranks. I just searched the forums for it, but if anyone can confirm that itd be appreciated.

[Kylie]

I've always felt that the choices for classes are really too limited. People might want specifics like 30 skills, 20 techs, no bullets; or 20 bullets, 20 techs, no skills; and other weapon combinations like twin guns and axes (Idunno). I'm not too sure about allowing people to pick these specifics because that could be dangerous, but it would be nice to at least see some more options. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Golto]

No Nierd there has not been anywhere that stated Fortegunners will be getting srank twin handguns. Just look at the very first topic in this forum the AOI faq. Handguns <> Twin Handguns. Maybe read a little better next time?

[Soukosa]

On 2007-08-16 12:12, Niered wrote:
Alright, I could be completely wrong here, but like I said earlier, Im pretty sure fortegunners get S rank dualies. In fact, Im pretty sure that most of the classes get alot of there A ranks turned into S ranks. I just searched the forums for it, but if anyone can confirm that itd be appreciated.

I searched the forums and saw that newmans were getting summons. Humans were getting tanks. And beasts get a new super powered black form that weilds two axes! It must be true because it was here!!

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

[PsyGuy]

On 2007-08-16 09:54, PALRAPPYS wrote:
In my opinions, these improvements should be made:


Fortefighter-
A Shadoogs
S Pistol (IMO, cuz it's their only ranged weaponry)
A Slicer

Fighgunner-
Nothing. Maybe S Twin Pistols...

Wartecher-
S Claw
S Dual claws
S Madoogs

Fortegunner-
S Twin Pistols

Guntecher-
S Cards

Fortetecher-
A Madoogs

Protranser-
lol their S rank arsenal is nice. No improvements.

Acro's-
Good enough as is. Kinda wished Fighter woulda kept S Twin Sabers and Techer woulda kept S Twin Daggers. But it's fine with me.



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Totally agree

[omegapirate2k]

If you love twin pistols that much, become a guntecher. Cast guntechers are much more effective than some people make them out to be, and they'll be even more effective if you account for all the lovin' they're getting in the expansion (large boost to TP, level 40 bullets, level 30 support techs, S rank bows), I can't see a reason for you not to become a guntecher if twin pistols are your favorite weapon.

[DreamLocke]

Fortegunners are uber enough as it is. They don't need s-rank dualies.

S rank drops are so jacked up I don't worry about them. Actually I pretend they don't exist.

As a CAST, you're best options aren't only FG or Fi. CASTs make excellent GT's as well and you know what? S-rank dualies and crossbows FTW.

[CelestialBlade]

That ATP advantage fGs have over GTs are far more valuable than the fact that GTs get S-rank Twin Handguns.

[MSAksion]

On 2007-08-16 11:33, Urtri wrote:
1. Fortegunner - Sniper, and heavy weapons specilist
2. Guntecher - Support and Mobile firepower specilist
3. Protranser - Demolition Specilist (why are protransers getting S rank Bows btw does'nt make any sense)

thats how i see the 3 main gun types

My main is a Fortegunner and all i use as her is Rifles (the oly S rank exculisive for fortegunners when AotI comes out) and grenade lunchers (i love these things on Bosses) and i dont mind not having S rank twin handguns cause i love rifles to much (better ATP,ATA,element % and range). Ok there are times i'd like to be able to shoot and scoot (Sendilliens mostly) but honestly when i do use twins i miss the damage i can do and the SE4 statues effect i can inflict (i've loved confusion since the time i saw a confused deljaben insta kill 1 deljabenand 2 Bel Pannonsin Unsafe Passage S2)



EXACTLY! 100% CORRECT everything is A-OKAY with distribution of S Rank weaponry based on job-description and recommended battle style.

...Cept CARDS being only A rank on the ONE HANDED GUNMASTERS. I'd trade S rank bow for S rank Cards for even MORE ungodly homing mobile damage...

[Mystil]

As a GT, I use . . . Twin Handguns, Long bows, Crossbows, and a shotgun. 2 of those at the present time I get can get an S rank version(that doesn't really concern me). 2 of those are powerhouses. That's how I play guntecher.

[Sekani]

On 2007-08-16 09:15, JAFO22000 wrote:

On 2007-08-16 08:42, -Kenji- wrote:
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Thanks to Artea for catchin' that little memory error. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif That's what I get for posting on a forum at work.

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Didn't Sekani catch your error first?


I thought this whole thread was an error and responded accordingly. But no, I guess S-rank twin handguns are serious business.

[Gen2000]

I'm guessing this is more of a style complaint since fG's already uses Twins (and Xbows and Mechs...) better than GTs jut going by ATP alone. Going by jp psu wiki Grinded Deathmakers +5= 10* Twins (234 ATP even) and Deathmaker +9 is better 11* Twin (253ATP vs. 246ATP, Deathmakers +7-8 stats is unlisted for some reason I'm guessing +8 Deathmaker competes with 11* Twins as well).

In AoI, while the GT's get all those nice boosts fG's still get a boost of ATP as well so the gap in power won't be shorten for a while until like 16* or whatever weapons are released and if the drop rate trend of current PSU continues in AoI then it won't be anything to even worry about as a fG.

So yeah if you really like Twins and still want to be a fG I don't see a reason not to, you will just look less "cool" than the Guntecher Srank Twin spammers but you'll most likely be killing faster than them anyways. So far I haven't noticed or heard of any special effects on the Srank Twins that actually make them better gameplay wise (like the unproven thought of Gur Bazga having better explosion range than Arank Grenade Guns). Now if Srank Twins like fire faster than Arank Twins or something then I would actually be worried then.

[jayster]

On 2007-08-16 12:04, Hrith wrote:

On 2007-08-16 12:01, amtalx wrote:
fGs get jack in AoI. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif We get Lvl 40 Bullets, Lvl 20 Skills, and one of the -doogs. The left handed one that would have to replace my Xbow/Machinegun to use it...GTFO no thanks.QFT

Also, twin handgun is the worst possible weapon for a Fortegunner, you're not missing anything.



Are you kidding me? handguns and laser cannons are worse. And if you're using rifles for damage per second, then rifles are worse.

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I feel your pain. I'm dissappointed that Acrofighters lose S rank twin sabers, but yeah, my Human will be multi-jobbing as Fighgunner and Acrofighter. If I don't like how the new S rank twin sabers look and/or if there's not much of a difference in ATP of Twin Sabers and/or there are no Yohmei S rank twin sabers, he'll stay Acrofighter and stick to the Ryo-sabeud.

[Hrith]

On 2007-08-16 18:35, jayster wrote:
Are you kidding me? handguns and laser cannons are worse. And if you're using rifles for damage per second, then rifles are worse.n00b FG spotted? ;o

Single handguns and lasers are far more useful to a Fortegunner than a twin handgun's low DPS, low SE, low range and A grade cap.

Twin handguns are good weapons on Fighgunner, decent on Guntecher but only because they get S grade access. But on Fortegunners, really, they're useless, just 100% useless.

[bloodflowers]

You don't play Fortegunner much do you?

The fool who never uses twins is no better than the fool with a full palette of them.

[Hrith]

lol, yeah, I don't play Fortegunner "much" *glares at 1300 hours*

Any good Fortegunner knows twin handguns are useless compared to the other guns available to them.

[Miyoko]

On 2007-08-16 18:35, jayster wrote:

On 2007-08-16 12:04, Hrith wrote:

On 2007-08-16 12:01, amtalx wrote:
fGs get jack in AoI. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif We get Lvl 40 Bullets, Lvl 20 Skills, and one of the -doogs. The left handed one that would have to replace my Xbow/Machinegun to use it...GTFO no thanks.QFT

Also, twin handgun is the worst possible weapon for a Fortegunner, you're not missing anything.



Are you kidding me? handguns and laser cannons are worse. And if you're using rifles for damage per second, then rifles are worse.



Handguns are probably worse in most regards (except they get higher SE), I'll agree with you there, but laser cannons are only worse if you don't have the UPA! <3<3 Knock-back lasers... ;p

[Kion]

On 2007-08-16 12:01, amtalx wrote:
fGs get jack in AoI. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif We get Lvl 40 Bullets, Lvl 20 Skills, and one of the -doogs. The left handed one that would have to replace my Xbow/Machinegun to use it...GTFO no thanks.



For skills what else could you possibly want? It's called a fortegunner for a reason. The weapon pallete doesn't include anything except guns and one handed weapons, meaning you'll be able to get the close range knockbakcs. Why would you care about getting tech skills or higher melee skills when you can't even use it?

Also I'm very glad that FG doesn't get S rank twin handguns. Simply speakign because all the noobs would be spamming them. Applying SE and following up with mobile weapons is how a guntecher plays. Fortegunner is meant to be back of the party support, rifles for SE, lasers for groups mobs, stotgun for SE to small mobs and DPS and grenades for large enemies. The only reason to use twin handgun or crossbow for foregunner would be the ultimate PA's for additional SE's.

[Akaimizu]

Maybe that's why I became a Guntecher. I can consider myself, the first "known" Dual Pistol lover entirely. Made many comments about it, and announced my character at launch. Even the backstory centers around Dual Pistols, in a way. So, as soon as I saw the list of Advanced classes, coming out; I picked the class that S-ranks it. That's how my trip to Guntecher got started. However, take note that Tynselle was a fully professed Dual Pistol lover before we knew Advanced Classes were going to exist.

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[bloodflowers]

On 2007-08-17 11:12, Hrith wrote:
lol, yeah, I don't play Fortegunner "much" *glares at 1300 hours*

Any good Fortegunner knows twin handguns are useless compared to the other guns available to them.



Yeah, well - I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I've spent more than twice as long as you on my gunner, and the twins are an important part of our weapon selection. I've never understood the small (but quite vocal) minority who think Fortegunners shouldn't use them. There are no prizes for being a purist.



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[Hrith]

There are no prizes for using crappy weapon types.