GC: Is it the beginning of the end?

[2Xtreme]

Let me recap, for anyone who doesn't know, how PSO ver1 on DC turned to shit:
1)All was good
2)People discovered a duping glitch
3)The trading value of all your legit rares become 0.
4)Sega fixed the duping glitch
5)People wanted more duped stuff and whatnot, bought gamesharks, and ruined the game.

With PSO GC, we're already at step 3, and it's only been, what, a month or two? Discuss: Is it the beginning of the end?

[geewj]

frankly, i dont care much for the main game (lvling/rares/stats) I just like to talk to my friends battle, and help my friends level. The only codes that really bothered me were NOL and lobby FSOD.

[TeamPhalanx]

I expected this to happen from the start, so it's no surprise...

Once against the majority of players are cheaters; however, there are still plenty of legit players out there. This is probably because they realize that cheating destroys the game, rares are more findable, and common weapons are actually useful (It's sad, but the weapon I rely on most is a Vulcan)



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[MontyNice]

I think its going to get worse when PSO EP 1&2 for x-box comes out. Just my opinion but I think that more people will go for the x-box version rather than the GC version.

[EsperFlame]

Yeah, the X-Box version will have more troubles with hacking than the GC one. There's already people hacking games on the X-Box and since there is an offline mode, they can bypass the fact of Microsft detecting hacked items by hacking them or duping offline. Right now GCN only has duping problems but in all honesty, hacking right now on GCN PSO isn't possible.

[TeamPhalanx]

I don't expect to hear much from the X-Box version. For one thing, the system is a total failure in Japan, and they outnumber other players around the world.

While its true that the X-Box is vulnerable, keep in mind that MS will be in charge, and they're bound to be better at maintaining the servers and minimizing cheaters. I mean, I haven't heard of any cheating going on with X-Box Live, have you?

[SaitoH]

On 2002-12-26 05:29, TeamPhalanx wrote:
Once against the majority of players are cheaters; however, there are still plenty of legit players out there. This is probably because they realize that cheating destroys the game, rares are more findable, and common weapons are actually useful (It's sad, but the weapon I rely on most is a Vulcan)


Why are you assuming that the majority of players are cheaters? I don't cheat, in fact, none of my friends do. I don't even have any idea how to go about "cheating" on the GC.

Also, non-cheaters are "legit"? I thought "legit" had some other connotation and if "legit" means no cheating then why does your sig say your the "last legit"? Awfully presumptuous, don't you think?

^w^

[WraithAkaMrak]

On 2002-12-26 07:46, TeamPhalanx wrote:
While its true that the X-Box is vulnerable, keep in mind that MS will be in charge, and they're bound to be better at maintaining the servers and minimizing cheaters. I mean, I haven't heard of any cheating going on with X-Box Live, have you?
I hope this is the case. That MS really takes care of cheating. And can block out hacked/modded Xbox systems from XBL. I personally am not on Xbox Live, but I really haven't heard much about cheating being a problem on it. I hope it holds true for PSO, though it is a much different game than those currently on XBL.

[Vampir]

It's not the end. Most PC games have different hacks techniques but it does not deter people from playing. Just avoid the cheaters/dupers.
The best sense of accomplishment is when you find a decent rare on your own offline. FSOD is what really sucks. The fact that MS will have there own servers is a greater incentive for hackers. They like a challenge. If this is the end, let us die with legit players by our side. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[TeamPhalanx]

Seeing as how almost EVERY player I meet these days owns:

Mag Cel Mag (via St. Rappy)
Black King Bar
Double Cannon
Partisan of Lightning

Let's say I'm a tad bit skeptical about them finding all that stuff, especally when you consider their level.

Since you're not aware of the origins of my sig... just shut up about it.

[Vampir]

Word Phalanx! I think it is kinda strange for some people to have some many rares that 11 and 12 stars. Especially when I consider the number of hours and runs I've put into the game.

[EDarkness]

People are already duping and stuff? I thought that all of that stuff was fixed in the US version of PSO for the Cube.

I don't cheat and I don't see the reason why anyone would cheat in the first place. It just ruins the game. You guys shouldn't assume that everyone who plays PSO cheats.


-EDarkness

[Vampir]

That assumption was not made by me. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif It just seems strange for some people to have just about every rare in the game already. There are plenty of legit players out there. The task is finding them.

[watashiwa]

On 2002-12-26 08:03, TeamPhalanx wrote:
Seeing as how almost EVERY player I meet these days owns:

Mag Cel Mag (via St. Rappy)


I have six mag cell mags. I found six St. Rappies and have pictures, does this mean I'm a cheater? ;0;

I don't have hardly, if any, 11 or 12 star items though. = But, someday soon! (Haven't really been looking for the items yet, just been leveling up online..)

[Ophelia]

Actually wata, you have five mag cells, seeing as how that Genesis belongs to me. =D

[watashiwa]

Hahaha. ^_^ You will never stop trying to get that kit from me, will you? =P

Actually, I miscounted, I only found 5 St. Rappies. I was hunting for number six last night and was unsuccessful, but if the quest is still up I will hunt today. I am just too confident in my ability and know I will find number six. =P

[Spy]

DC PSOv1 was ruined by the gameshark, not duping. If duping is all I have to worry about with the GCN at this point, I can live with that. When the AR comes out on the 7th though, well, I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Ophelia]

On 2002-12-26 09:56, watashiwa wrote:
Hahaha. ^_^ You will never stop trying to get that kit from me, will you? =P


I know my beguiling feminine charms will eventually break your will, wata. It's simply a matter of time.

[SaitoH]

On 2002-12-26 08:03, TeamPhalanx wrote:
Since you're not aware of the origins of my sig... just shut up about it.


LOL!

Thanks Mr last Legit.

^w^

[Sedyne]

On 2002-12-26 05:29, TeamPhalanx wrote:
I expected this to happen from the start, so it's no surprise...

Once against the majority of players are cheaters; however, there are still plenty of legit players out there. This is probably because they realize that cheating destroys the game, rares are more findable, and common weapons are actually useful (It's sad, but the weapon I rely on most is a Vulcan)



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I must agree with Phanlax. And She's a true legit, i admire his/her (sorry we havn't been aquainted that much) legitmate playing. I enter her game and she has a pair of vulcans. My character has a meteor cudgel that i traded my 50% Dragon Slayer+standstill shield for. My red sword i barrow from a friend becaus ehe bairly ever playes, im not sure of its authenticity of being legit however.

As well duping does create havock on PSO and ruin it. It isn't so much the duping in my opinion...it's the a-holes who give away the dupes. People dropping a double cannon, giving away a Dark Flow. Yeah wtf is with that, that's where the true hell starts. If these dupers would keep to them selves and not exploit there crap to others then well there would still eb a brighter outlook for the game.

The major downside to duping is the great people stop palying PSO because of them. Ex: If you get one of these a bunch of these super rares...eventually u get pretty bord of them. and u just want to know what else u can get, hwoever u realize everything else is a crappier weapon and u just get totally bored of the game. Thus, having people quit pso. I am conisdiinrg stoping GC versino and just conitinuing on PSO Xbox because i believe it will be a much safer game. The major dupe method that works right now is because of the 56k modem. With the broadband adapter its much harder to accomplish this task, for reasons i don't feel should be revealed for respectful reasons.

well anyway, i'm a little disapointed everyone now seems to have the ebst of the best. I'm still using my crappy four slot dragon frame, while others have Lum field and other crap. I've got 3 good rares and im happy. I'll stay here and go down with the game til the end. Hopefully sonic team in their next installment will create server side saves or some more secure way of ensuring isn't such hell on pso agian.

Oh and just for your info, I was given a link to a post on cmgsccc.com boreds. Codes for the GameCube Action Replay are allready working. They have wal through wall, item dupe and othes. They arn't publicly released frmo what I had read. But Just giving you guys a heads up because GC is screwed.

[Sedyne]

On 2002-12-26 07:56, SaitoH wrote:

On 2002-12-26 05:29, TeamPhalanx wrote:
Once against the majority of players are cheaters; however, there are still plenty of legit players out there. This is probably because they realize that cheating destroys the game, rares are more findable, and common weapons are actually useful (It's sad, but the weapon I rely on most is a Vulcan)


Why are you assuming that the majority of players are cheaters? I don't cheat, in fact, none of my friends do. I don't even have any idea how to go about "cheating" on the GC.

Also, non-cheaters are "legit"? I thought "legit" had some other connotation and if "legit" means no cheating then why does your sig say your the "last legit"? Awfully presumptuous, don't you think?

^w^



SaitoH put's him in his place lmao http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[ReikenFeralsbane]

It's funny, everyone thinks i'm a duper when i join a game. They see my Kasami BRacer, Brightness Circle and Davil's Tail (yes Davil) and my Comet and start asking me 50 questions.
I tell them how i found all except my BC wich i traded about 4 rares to a force for because i was using a valiant frame up until lv 128.
It's rather annoying, because if i were to find Olga DNA and make a sword with it, no one would belive me, and for good reason, i wouldn't either.

[Smash]

i think x-box will have much more hackers because i know hackers that can hack into the microsoft network and get whatever they want out of it...http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_no.gif

[Tavia]

Even after all these threads on the subject, and well-stated arguments, I still cannot understand how this is viewed as such a tremendous plague on the PSO society.

I see people complaining endlessly about this duping as if it is ending their lives. I read comments stating that this is destroying PSO and that it's making the game "boring", because people with Pallasches see characters running around with Dark Flows or whatever.

Considering that weapons are brought up every time in a topic like this, and that people complain about it incessantly, all I can conclude is that people are either jealous or easily offended. Wow, they can cause so much damage, and you can't... ooh, you know you earned your power, but they cheated. That destroys your world.

Why? Is that all PSO is to you? Weapons? Does everyone who is ever at your level or near it have to be of the same power level as you? Do you need to not see someone waving around a weapon that's so much "cooler" than yours?

I really don't see this. I really, truly do not. Do I play legitimately? Yes, and proudly. I think it is a lot of fun. Does it bother me that people cheat? No, not really. It's a fact of life. Sure, it would be nice to be able to safely trade among strangers, but the majority of English-speaking gamers are rude anyway -- even if they did not cheat, they would be too arrogant to be desirable gaming partners, and eager to rip you off. Sadly, you usually can't trust strangers, no matter where you go. Again, this is just the way it is.

If you're going to quit playing PSO because someone had a better gun than you, that's just too bad. You should look beyond something so trivial and enjoy the game for its gameplay, not its in-game luxuries. Are the special weapons part of the gameplay? Sure, they are... so use what you find, or what you get from trustworthy friends. Enjoy your experience. Don't be so pointlessly offended by cheaters whom you are not obligated to play with and do not even have to see ever again during your PSO "lifetime".

[watashiwa]

On 2002-12-26 10:06, Ophelia wrote:
I know my beguiling feminine charms will eventually break your will, wata. It's simply a matter of time.



I'm going to try for three rappies today! Wish me luck. =P

[ReikenFeralsbane]

Tavia good points.

Wata- i thought i was pushing my luck with 4, but your just greedy, hehe ^_^w

[Tavia]

On 2002-12-26 12:08, ReikenFeralsbane wrote:
Tavia good points.

Thanks. I kind of wish the gaming world in general would be a bit more laid back. I would understand the animosity if dozens of people were being PKed on a daily basis, but come on, everyone. This is child's play. If someone cheated to get a weapon, it's not going to destroy you. It cannot take away every good PSO memory you have of having fun with friends and finding special weapons. Heck, if you know the weapons exist, how in the world is anything being spoiled for you? Because someone happens to have it? And that is supposed to be utterly devestating?

I don't think I'll ever understand that kind of thinking. I'd rather play PSO and have fun.

[Sedyne]

On 2002-12-26 12:18, Tavia wrote:

On 2002-12-26 12:08, ReikenFeralsbane wrote:
Tavia good points.

Thanks. I kind of wish the gaming world in general would be a bit more laid back. I would understand the animosity if dozens of people were being PKed on a daily basis, but come on, everyone. This is child's play. If someone cheated to get a weapon, it's not going to destroy you. It cannot take away every good PSO memory you have of having fun with friends and finding special weapons. Heck, if you know the weapons exist, how in the world is anything being spoiled for you? Because someone happens to have it? And that is supposed to be utterly devestating?

I don't think I'll ever understand that kind of thinking. I'd rather play PSO and have fun.


That's exactly how I feel bro, i may seem diffrent, but that's how i feel. I really don't give a crap about the duping, i wish people would just be more laid back about it. I know freinds that have alot of cool stuff i let them use theyre super powerful crap in my games. However i try to make sure everyoens respectful of eachothers wishes. If some team doesn't want other emmebrs using hacks...i suggest htye don't. but if the creater uses dupes or whatever and wants them to, it' should be their decidsion.

[Subliminalgroove]

On 2002-12-26 12:18, Tavia wrote:

Thanks. I kind of wish the gaming world in general would be a bit more laid back. I would understand the animosity if dozens of people were being PKed on a daily basis, but come on, everyone. This is child's play. If someone cheated to get a weapon, it's not going to destroy you. It cannot take away every good PSO memory you have of having fun with friends and finding special weapons. Heck, if you know the weapons exist, how in the world is anything being spoiled for you? Because someone happens to have it? And that is supposed to be utterly devestating?

I don't think I'll ever understand that kind of thinking. I'd rather play PSO and have fun.



Amen! Preach on, Sister!

Seriously, this duping/cheating thing doesn't have to be the end of the world unless you overeact about it.
And Tavia's comment about weapons being the defining point of PSO for most people. What is wrong with that picture. Same thing happened in Diablo 2. I never understood it there either.
When you see someone with a Dblcannon come walking into your game think before you shove that stick up your butt. You can still have fun, and who knows, maybe she busted her butt in endless hours of toil to get that cannon. If it makes you that angry, and you can't avoid the magnetic pull of the "Duping stick" to your anus, just leave the game and start another.... not the end of the world.

Sorry if this comes across a tad insulting, but my neice got me sick yesterday so I'm on a short fuse.. add that to my distaste of all this tiresome talk of people duping. If it seems like everyone else has a Dark Flow (legit or illegit) and you don't, you don't have to pick it up as your cross to bear. Put that heavy load down people and rediscover why you REALLY fell in love with the game in the first place. Most of you should find that it was not because of the weapons or being the roughest toughest hombre around.


I personally love this game and I am not going to let something as miniscule as duping get in the way of my enjoyment of it. I would hate to see all of you leave unnecessarily as a result of some pecieved plague upon Pionner 2.

well, that's my rant for the day. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Happy holidays all!

sub


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[Ophelia]

I'm going to try for three rappies today! Wish me luck. =P


Good luck! I hope you bring back something good for me (especially since I just traded away my MARK3 kit for a Chain Sawd)! =O

-Oph

[Subliminalgroove]

On 2002-12-26 13:26, Ophelia wrote:

Good luck! I hope you bring back something good for me (especially since I just traded away my MARK3 kit for a Chain Sawd)! =O

-Oph



They really that hot of a trading commodity? Oi. I got my heart of angel and that was all I figured I sould bother with. Ah, well. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Ophelia]

It was somewhat of a special trade. My friend lost a MARK3 in an FSOD. He also had more than one Chain Sawd, so...it worked out well for the both of us. =D

-Oph

[Subliminalgroove]

On 2002-12-26 13:33, Ophelia wrote:
It was somewhat of a special trade. My friend lost a MARK3 in an FSOD. He also had more than one Chain Sawd, so...it worked out well for the both of us. =D

-Oph



Ah, okay. Good for you then! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[BlackFoxRaven]

If you heard anyone tell you that PSO was EVER going to be free of cheating, you may as well have laughed in their faces.

I doubt it will ever get to the level of version 2, where you could lose your character just by being around. But then, you never know. I just hope Sonic Team does something about the current duping bug.

I know who the legit players are, though, and I only play with my friends anyway. I can get by fine without duping anyway. I have a Demolition Comet and a Pian mag, both legit. They do me just fine.

And if you think the duping is bad, you should see version 2 where people hacked s-ranks with 0/60/60/60 percent.




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[Castoth]

Apparently, it's already beginning on stage 5 now. Once the codes become widespread (and also depending on if ST will patch up our server on a regular basis to stop online cheating...HA!), then it will become just as bad as DC PSO. Here's a little excerpt from a certain website we all know about it and what has been discovered.

Dupe
Inf items
All weps and frames etc.
Steal trade window
GOD of Equip
COLOR CODE took some time
ETC.


All what can be done with GOD equip & cards
Card delete
clone
everything On DC

FSOD basically mess with inf items in room online and god equip
when -BC- site comes out tell you how to fsod rooms FAST AND SIMPLE... Only taught to 3 people they choose to post it soon after they get bored and want to ruin PSO

Well, that certainly sounds like fun now, doesn't it. =/





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[2Xtreme]

If PSO gets hacked to hell again, I'm not gonna take it.

Last time, I huddled in locked games with only my closest friends. I avoided busy lobbies. I didn't ever battle, because it was useless trying to beat people with GameSharks.

This time, I'm just gonna quit. Flat out. If PSO gets re-ruined, then Sega will be selling a shitty product, and I don't bey shitting products.

[Sapphire87]

I guess the saying goes:

"If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it."

It all started out on the DC with something so "harmless" as duping. Then one thing lead to another, and another, and another. I don't have the GC PSO and don't plan on getting it. But I pray for all you who've invested the time and money in this game that history doesn't repeat itself.




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[Tenko]

I don't see anything really wrong about duping. Doesn't bother me if everyone has some super ultra rare weapon or mag - heck, the vast majority of them, I don't really want anyway. The only one that bothers me at all is the spread needle, and that's just because everything in the room is dead at the same time I walk in the door, so it basically becomes leave the game, or follow the person around to the bosses.

As far as worse cheating goes, I'm not worried about it, seeing as how there aren't cheat devices for the Gamecube yet, and I hear that the only one in development will plug in the modem port. And then on the XBox, I don't think there are any cheat devices out for that yet either, not to mention that modded XBoxes can't get on XBox Live, so there's not a lot of threat there. All in all, this is all looking to shape up to be a lot better than the Dreamcast version, online wise.

[BrokenHope]

On 2002-12-26 14:25, Castoth wrote:
Apparently, it's already beginning on stage 5 now. Once the codes become widespread (and also depending on if ST will patch up our server on a regular basis to stop online cheating...HA!), then it will become just as bad as DC PSO. Here's a little excerpt from a certain website we all know about it and what has been discovered.

Dupe
Inf items
All weps and frames etc.
Steal trade window
GOD of Equip
COLOR CODE took some time
ETC.


All what can be done with GOD equip & cards
Card delete
clone
everything On DC

FSOD basically mess with inf items in room online and god equip
when -BC- site comes out tell you how to fsod rooms FAST AND SIMPLE... Only taught to 3 people they choose to post it soon after they get bored and want to ruin PSO

Well, that certainly sounds like fun now, doesn't it. =/





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That post on cmgsccc is BS i very much doubt those codes are real. I doubt many people could come up with an enable code, and the fact the only people who can actually make codes now are the people who are making a cheat device since no one else can directly hook up there pc to there Gamecube to alter the memory (no not even Barubary can do this)

Since there weren't even many GS codes for pso on DC i don't think interact/datel suddenly decided to make a ton now for GC.

[rena-ko]

well ok that does it...
i personally will still wait for the european release but when they charge any fee, i'll quit wasting any thought on onlinemode. i'll still buy the game for offline. but nothing more.
this game consumes way to much time and if you are constantly in danger of losing charas/weapons due to some server side memory-card errors, its not even worth it. this might sound harsh but maybe it was good, europe got delayed so long.

(this is an useless, senseless rant, yes, but i just had to write that down...)

[Sedyne]

On 2002-12-27 05:15, rena-ko wrote:
well ok that does it...
i personally will still wait for the european release but when they charge any fee, i'll quit wasting any thought on onlinemode. i'll still buy the game for offline. but nothing more.
this game consumes way to much time and if you are constantly in danger of losing charas/weapons due to some server side memory-card errors, its not even worth it. this might sound harsh but maybe it was good, europe got delayed so long.

(this is an useless, senseless rant, yes, but i just had to write that down...)



Damn Straigh rena-ko.

[watashiwa]

http://www.pioneer2.net/genesis.jpg

.. Kekeke.

[Phobos-X]

besides the brainiac at MIT that hacked into the xbox, can anyone give SOLID EVIDENCE (a link would be nice) about how "easy" it is to hack into a xbox. and from what i understand, none of the user information is actually stored ON the xbox, but at MS servers

and about the duping, i could give a rats ass personally, all i care about is that NOL'ing, FSOD, RSOD, GSOD, ?SOD, and all the other shit that they do.

[Tavia]

On 2002-12-27 08:12, Phobos-X wrote:
and about the duping, i could give a rats ass personally, all i care about is that NOL'ing, FSOD, RSOD, GSOD, ?SOD, and all the other shit that they do.

Although I have essentially said it elsewhere in this thread, I will repeat my opinion by saying that I second this. Everyone who's complaining now is just taking the current situation for granted. Wait until it gets worse, if it does, and it probably will. You should enjoy the period of nothing but duping.