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Cheeseguy1
Aug 20, 2007, 09:18 PM
Just wondering. I was wondering cuz i may trade my Crea doubles 16% ice for 44% ice Kats and 2 mil.

Scion
Aug 20, 2007, 09:20 PM
Other (This is a stupid post).

Don't forget that option.

Cheeseguy1
Aug 20, 2007, 09:20 PM
Lol you saw may crea doubles sth one.

Rashiid
Aug 20, 2007, 09:29 PM
ok theres a number of things just wrong with this post....

how do you go off topic in your own 1st post in your topic??

Chuck_Norris
Aug 20, 2007, 09:29 PM
Why is tornado break on the list?

Micro
Aug 20, 2007, 09:31 PM
WTF LOL

Ash1ey
Aug 20, 2007, 09:32 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:31, Micro wrote:
WTF LOL

Scion
Aug 20, 2007, 09:33 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:32, Ash1ey wrote:

On 2007-08-20 19:31, Micro wrote:
WTF LOL

Fure_Rakune
Aug 20, 2007, 09:34 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:20, Cheeseguy1 wrote:
Lol you saw may crea doubles sth one.


This must be some form of code unknown to todays cryptologist, cause I have no clue what to make of this.

Rashiid
Aug 20, 2007, 09:34 PM
http://cache.consumerist.com/assets/resources/2006/11/confused.jpg

(me in RL confused)

Alarac
Aug 20, 2007, 09:34 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:33, Hikaru-san wrote:

On 2007-08-20 19:32, Ash1ey wrote:

On 2007-08-20 19:31, Micro wrote:
WTF LOL

Zorafim
Aug 20, 2007, 09:36 PM
Why is tornado break even in the topic?

Anyway, I have enough experience with Daggas to say that it isn't the best PA hands down. For pure damage, it's the best, but because it's not fast enough to get from stun to stun, I've actually died using it.
Renkai is worse still than Daggas. Though I can't say much about its damage, I would assume that it would be lower than Daggas. It also has no stuns until the final hit, and is easy to interrupt. Again for pure damage, it's great, and I would assume that it's peerless in low level combat. But for difficult enemies, which is pretty much all you fight after a while, there are much better PAs.




On 2007-08-20 19:34, Rashiid wrote:
http://cache.consumerist.com/assets/resources/2006/11/confused.jpg

(me in RL confused)



OMG UR HAWT

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Micro
Aug 20, 2007, 09:37 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:34, Rashiid wrote:
http://cache.consumerist.com/assets/resources/2006/11/confused.jpg

(me in RL confused)


Epic Win.

Mayu
Aug 20, 2007, 09:38 PM
hmmm

FKL time

Chuck_Norris
Aug 20, 2007, 09:41 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:38, Mayu wrote:
hmmm

FKL time



Oh yeah i almost forgot, Inb4FKLzorzlawlz

Dragwind
Aug 20, 2007, 09:44 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:37, Micro wrote:

On 2007-08-20 19:34, Rashiid wrote:
http://cache.consumerist.com/assets/resources/2006/11/confused.jpg

(me in RL confused)


Epic Win.



x2

Mayu
Aug 20, 2007, 09:45 PM
I'll say this for no reason

Dus Duggas> All http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

That is all



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Micro
Aug 20, 2007, 09:48 PM
I agree with the above post.

Zorafim
Aug 20, 2007, 09:49 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:45, Mayu wrote:
Dus Duggas> All http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


If you can manage to use it without having to worry about your own defense, if you're in a low level party, or if you're fighting your local dragon variant, then yes.

Chuck_Norris
Aug 20, 2007, 09:49 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:45, Mayu wrote:
I'll say this for no reason

Dus Duggas> All except Anga Dugrega

That is all



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Fix'd

Rashiid
Aug 20, 2007, 09:52 PM
nahh i think dus got that too.

test time!

50% Muktrand Vs 50% Pikor GO!! (or Dedda and Mugungruk for yall 10*'ers http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)

Zorafim
Aug 20, 2007, 09:55 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:52, Rashiid wrote:
nahh i think dus got that too.

test time!

50% Muktrand Vs 50% Pikor GO!! (or Dedda and Mugungruk for yall 10*'ers http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)



Pikor knocks down the large enemies and keeps them down, Muktrand takes out the smaller enemies with ease.

You talk as if everything has the same purpose.

Mayu
Aug 20, 2007, 09:56 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:49, chuck_norris wrote:

On 2007-08-20 19:45, Mayu wrote:
I'll say this for no reason

Dus Duggas> All except Anga Dugrega

That is all



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Fix'd

....I hope your sarcastic

Chuck_Norris
Aug 20, 2007, 09:58 PM
On 2007-08-20 19:56, Mayu wrote:

On 2007-08-20 19:49, chuck_norris wrote:

On 2007-08-20 19:45, Mayu wrote:
I'll say this for no reason

Dus Duggas> All except Anga Dugrega

That is all



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Mayu on 2007-08-20 19:45 ]</font>


Fix'd

....I hope your sarcastic





Nope, I love dugrega, The first PA i ever got to 30 in fact.

Mayu
Aug 20, 2007, 10:00 PM
*Face palm* http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Zorafim
Aug 20, 2007, 10:06 PM
I second Dugrega's amazingness, but only because I just got it to 21+ while I had Daggas up there for a while. It's great having a PA that knocks back on the first move.

MrNomad
Aug 21, 2007, 01:17 AM
I was lvling Daggas cause I felt I needed that extra dmg it does, but after using it, I realize it's pretty lackluster in terms of usefulness. To start off, the attack isnt helpful until the 2nd hit in the 1st combo lands, that means S rank mobs that have already circled you will no doubt hit u. My second issue is the range: How the hell am I supposed to make use of its ability to hit two targets when I'm forced to try and position two enemies in a line? And although the speed daggas has is helpful to catcfh fleeting enemies that too combined with the targeting button can make your character jerk around only one enemy and totally miss the rest, which brings to my next complaint. Yes, Daggas hits more targets than robado or a lot of other PAs, but thanks to all the problems I just stated it also causes you to use up unnessecary pp trying to hit one enemy. Robado may require 4 more pp to use but it gaurantees hitting 3 enemies 5 times for the same damage as daggas, where as daggas can only hit two, and it requires the enemies to be placed in a line to take full effect. In terms of other PAs, Dugrega is a pro skill. newbies will look past it cuz it doesnt hit as much as redda, n00bs will bash it because they dont understand how much greater a PA it is in controlling enemies, but pro fFs know how great of a PA Dugrega really is. It is a pick-me-up for fFs that also boast a lot of damage in the process, but of course its main strength is its pure knockback and control of mobs. As for the renkai, meh, im sure its good but it doesnt look any decent to me. A very small 360 radius attack that wont cause flinching until the last hit? Only hits 2 targets the whole time? I duno..

Micro
Aug 21, 2007, 02:11 AM
inb4consolewars

Zorafim
Aug 21, 2007, 02:21 AM
Daggas is only made to be useful against a single enemy. Normally, you can get use of the multiple targets on big enemies with multiple segments, but otherwise don't expect to hit many targets.
Robado is a completely different PA all together. This is made to target as many enemies as possible, and keep them in place. Its damage isn't as high as Daggas' in exchange for the fact that it normally hits its three targets. Good for small enemies and really low levels.

Dugrega is a really great skill, I'll agree, but it simply isn't as good with pure damage like Daggas is. Its knockaround ability is great against high threat enemies, but redundant against low threat enemies. I'd say to use this is you need the added defense, and Redda when you can sacrifice for more offense.
As for Redda, I haven't used that in a while since I was leveling Dugrega, but I will say it takes too long to get to the first stun. Past that, I really like how great its damage is (still better per combo part than Dugrega, without the party annoying knockbacks). If you don't need to stun lock a large enemy, or if throwing around a bunch of small enemies is unnecesary, I'd say it's better to use this PA.


The more I use and try to cap PAs, the more I realize that one can easily give way to another in particular cercomstances. Though many PAs of different weapons work similarly (Redda, Daggas, Spinning Break, final twin claw), PAs within the same weapon type normally make a ballanced weapon. Even the slight differences between similar PAs of different weapons can lead to some better applications (Spinning Break is better against small enemies that you want to stay stunned, Daggas is better against enemies you don't care move around, Redda is better somewhere in the middle). The only cases I don't feel this way is with Bogga Zubba (four knockups in a row is rather redundant, and other PAs can do something similar), and the first twin claw PA (added targets are nice, but its range is so short that I can hardly get my three targets in there).
If you want to say "Best PA", you have to be more specific. "Best standalone PA", a PA to have if you can only have one, is one thing. "Best PA for damage" is another. "Best PA for controlling enemies" is yet another.

Shardio
Aug 21, 2007, 03:34 AM
Use the one displayed here
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Shiro_Ryuu
Aug 21, 2007, 06:36 AM
I agree w/ Zora that there is no "best" PA. All of them have their uses for different situations. If you really want to know which PA is the best, go out there and try them out yourself and see if you like them. If you don't like it, well, if you ever run out of PA space, you can always delete that one with another PA.

Rashiid
Aug 21, 2007, 06:39 AM
id so rather hav 10x community w/ 3/5''s being full of tards; being that those 3/5's are tha ones that forget tha extra 0's when they try to sell a Gur Asted for 34.5mil and sell it for 3.45mil.

(that was sooo funny when that guy posted his rant when he did that on tha official forums)