Armor Bot, Yay or Nay

[Tagnut]

Ok, here's the scenario, I only use guns and have a Ranged Bot. So I'm thinkin' an Armor bot's the next step,I've heard it's costly tho..........
What do you think?

[Tekershee]

Nay unless you're really lucky and think armours will actually succeed.

[SiGeL]

I would say armor is definitely worth it, but make sure you have a LOOOT of money to throw away trying to make some; synthing armors is pretty depressing. It requires a ridiculous amount of materials and has extremely low success rates, not to mention the probability of a 10%, which is just a slap in the face.

So I say go for it, armor is a really important part of the game and can net you a lot if you plan on selling, but get ready to be unhappy. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Tagnut]

But....Don't a 10% armor sell for sweet FA?

[Tekershee]

Yes, a 10% armour sells for nothing.

[pikachief]

im saying nay and even the people saying yay are telling u your gonna lose money >.>

[BanF]

Go ahead and make it, remember synth rates will go up with AoI.

[CelestialBlade]

I didn't like my pure Armor PM, but the AoI point is a good one. If you've got the money/patience, go for it.

[AweOfShe]

Well, unless you're really hurting for cash, then it wouldn't hurt to make one for the hell of it anyway. Raising one isn't quite as annoying as it used to be, with the swimsuits out to feed it with and all. Even if you don't end up synthing too many armours, at least you can say you got one. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Jife_Jifremok]

If making a pure PM is actually gonna be worth the trouble when AoI rolls around, then yay.

[stukasa]

We don't know exactly how synthing rates will be changed in AoI. I say, if you've got lots of money, go ahead and do it now. If not, wait until AoI is released in Japan. That way you can find out if it's worth it or not. Right now, even with a pure Armor PM the success rate is stupidly low. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

[eightball]

just keep making casts and stripping them of their parts and its free...kinda annoying but worth it

[A2K]

If you happen to have a good friend who's already put in the time, I'd say just borrow his when you can. Even with a pure partner machine, armor is just... painful to make.

[LS_Aksion]

having a melee PM in combat, in higher missions, too risky.

but then again, the Rank is no longer a factor anymore.

[beatrixkiddo]

This poll should be renamed.

"Violent Assrape, Yay or Nay"

Because that's what you're really getting when you delve into the world of armor synthing.

[EspioKaos]

I gave up on making a pure armor PM after realizing how crappy most of the line shield success rates are. (Even with Illuminus increasing the rates, I still don't think it's worth it.) Anyway, I just recently zeroed my PM and have started her on a diet of Jellen and Zalure disks. (Kind of expensive, but very quick.) I'm going for a pure TECHer this time around.

[BlueFire2k5]

I'm about to finish my Armor PM. I went the cheapest way I could find, which was giving it 1* slot units for 4 levels/feeding. It'll cost 1 million mesta, but it's a lot better than trying to strip casts for their parts and feeding it (Xbox 360 interrupt errors ftl). After finishing her, I'll have a pure TECH, pure ranged, and pure armor, all I need for my fortetecher. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif



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[haruna]

I have a pure armor PM. She loves my friends, she wants to kill me in my sleep.

I've been doing without decent armors(my fT still uses Hoza-senbas for the most) so I can afford to wait a bit before writing my armor PM off. She's not too shabby in battle as a 440. I know many that put in 10 striking then 90 armor to get the 420 model.

[OldCoot]

I was YoungCoot before I got my Armor PM leveled.

I admit it is nice to be able to make your own line shields, but it costs a lot and you will see a lot of failures.

[Sinue_v2]

I made a pure Armor PM and the first armor I synthed was 9* Tenora line shield. Can't recall it's exact name. Anyhow, successfully synthed it with like 18% Dark. Success Rate was like 24%. I also managed to synth some 8* Kubara Knuckles on my Ranged PM with a success rate of like 33%. Yet I still cannot manage to synth a few 6* guns on my pure ranged PM despite very high success rate. Nor could I manage to to synth some 6* swords on my Pure Strike PM with very high success rate. They always fail. Always. So I'm relatively convinced that the %'s of success are reversed. I'd test it out further, but screw that... synthing is expensive and I'm not going to throw away millions to prove a point.

[Sekani]

Armor synthing is indeed masochistic, but the only way you're going to get most decent armors in this game is if you synth them yourself.

[Libram]

The armor PM does cost a bit to both make and use, but I have one and actually enjoy making myself armors instead of trying to search around the shops for elemental armor. I may not have the best of armors out there, but the Midilines and Ageha-Senbas I have made serve their purpose well enough.

Of course that will probably change if you're looking to synth some A Rank armors. I received myself a Phantom Line board one day, and I spent I don't know how much money just watching all three attempts go straight down the drain. And that was just for 7*.

[D1ABOLIK]

On 2007-08-28 13:27, beatrixkiddo wrote:
This poll should be renamed.

"Violent Assrape, Yay or Nay"

Because that's what you're really getting when you delve into the world of armor synthing.

LMAO I agree.I have endured it and lived,but it aint pretty.And not recommended.Unless you have 9999999999999999 meseta.

________
NO2 VAPORIZER (http://no2vaporizers.com)

[WOOD7770]

My advise, ill give you a chance to see how it goes with my PM. What you make is very important to not go backwards a ton. If you are considering cheap boards like a Gannaline, good luck! A 37% chance means you should get 1 out if all goes as planned. a 20% in my shop has gone from 1 million down to 450k and its still there. Figure 40 resins and 35 vulcaline per attempt. You can only be disappointed by shopping for materials as 99% of stores are "storage" or above NPC. I have on rare occasion been very lucky with turning some out, but am usually furious with myself for trying. I just pulled out a 44% Rabol Cati for a friend after failing 2 Hiragi senbas and 2 Crimson lines for myself. After that I failed a Stormline for another friend and 2 more for myself. You have to attempt more than 1 at a time. I suggest 3 if chance is 37%. I always laugh when I see people selling Yomei boards for millions. If some idiot actually buys it, he is going broke in a hurry. Techer armor is always most valuable since the good boards are drops and Ortaresin was non existant until Cost of research.
out of 100 armors you will get 1 50%, 1 44%, maybe 2 38s and a whole bunch of 10-18% Not to mention more monomates than you can use in a lifetime.
I thought my last Hiragi board was a goond deal at 250k until i went 0-2 and likely 0-3.
If you decide to do it on your own, good luck... really. DO NOT use cast parts or swimsuits to level! My mag has become much better after a ton of use but west 1-12 on 7* phantomlines when finished with cast parts. All my other mags have been the same but none more costly than armor.

[Wallin]

When I first made my armor PM, I synthed a Gigaline before they sold in stores. Took me 3 tries I think, and is really the only thing I've ever made on my PM at all, so it hasn't been very useful for me. The synth rates are definitely too low right now to be worthwhile, but I don't know what AoI will be like.

[Mayu]

One armor

is about one Mill -.- on PS2-PC

Or 32 mill for Mass production

Quite annoying

with a low crappy % rate to make

but worth <.< if she makes the right %

[Powder Keg]

The rate really doesn't increase by much at all. I say yes if you plan on getting AOI, because there may be an effectiveness increase, otherwise, it really depends upon how much money you have. The ONLY benefit of an armor PM is synthing your own armor for the CHANCE of it having high %'s. Otherwise you're better off buying armor in player shops.

[Dragwind]

I'm going to put my backing behind those who say synthing armors can be depressing, because it is. It's a money pit, and most of the time you'll lose the meseta/mats you put in. However, to raise one somewhat cheap, you could feed it cast swimsuits.

[danny_o]

I like the 442 bot though, so go for it!

[Kylie]

It's not the most useful synth bot around. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif Synthing armor is a big waste of money anyways... I got a cati senba [b], and ALL THREE of the tries failed. About 1.8 million down the drain. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif The rates were only 37%, and that's on a pure armor bot. However, I voted yay because they are the best combat bots, imo.



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[desturel]

Go for it. I made an armor 420 since 35% vs 37% is nothing. Whenever I start an armor, I tell my friends I have another monomate baking in the oven if they need one. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Unfortunately I'm running a bit low on cash. 4 Cati-senba boards (480 ortaresin 420 vulcaline IIRC) have drained me of my cash. Try 1 on all the four boards was 3 monomate and a megistaride. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

I'm about ready for the second go at it. I won't be able to afford the third go without breaking away from GoF for a few days to run Cost of Research for cash, but I'm destined to get that Rikauteri.

[Mayu]

I mean really <.<

If you wanna risk a lots of money

go ahead http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

then make a 50% 9 star and sell for like 90 mill http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif lol

[Sexy_Raine]

Nay, because I have no need for a Armor PM.

I let Jife do my armors for me with his 100 Armor. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Jakosifer]

<_< I say Nay, I have some pretty crappy armor aside from a lucky dark armor my friend made me. Other than that most of my crap doesn't exceed 20%...So I just dodge/sneak alot..AKA: Sneak attack the enemies while they're attacking my friends...

[Jife_Jifremok]

On 2007-08-30 08:50, Sexy_Raine wrote:
Nay, because I have no need for a Armor PM.

I let Jife do my armors for me with his 100 Armor. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



It's been forever since I've done any line shield synths for myself. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Rashiid]

now is a good time for Dark armor; so helz yah!

[chibiLegolas]

In general, you can get by with NPC store armors. I'm pretty sure there's at least one of good % for each element if you shop around. But once you get into high leveled games, and you've aquired enough armor materials (with good $ stored), only THEN should you concider making an armor PM. By end game stats, you should get an idea what ideal armor goes with your prefered class, PA's, and weapons. But I wouldn't say that it's an absolute necessity to have one. Afterall, if you're attempting to save up elemental photons for melee weapons (for instance), it might be difficult to spread them around for failed armor synths as well.

Here's another idea...
For those who don't have an armor PM, and rely on player synth armors in shops, how likely is it to afford (average priced) said armors of decent %? Are buying them from players cheaper than attempting to make them yourself? I never did the math myself, so I wouldn't know.