Lords of Virtue (stopping thiefs at all costs)

[ReikenFeralsbane]

as some of you might know (from the sigs i posted earlier) i have a clan (mostly only for my characters and 1 other friend) named Lords of Virtue. LoV is 100% against "thiefs." yesturday my friend got his god ability thiefed cuz he let some guy use it for the boss fight....well after the fight he didnt return it blah blah blah you know the same ol crap. anyway, my friend had his guild card and informs hes on, later in the day.
so i goto the lobby hes in....walk right up to him and just start usin the kicking animation on him (lol) and he sends me his GC....im like, ok....... so i say lets play, and so we do.....i wait for him to die, he drops fake agito i take, revive him....
invite friend into room.....he bitches him out.......thief plays dumb.....i try to make a deal, agito for the god ability units....he plays dumb for like half hour, i tell him im gonna leave....he gets upset, then he quits.....the day was won......cuz i had more abilities to give my friend.
watch out for Alador.......hes a thief........and revenge was extracted on him by Lords of Virtue......
so if you ever get my guild cards, and they say "lords of virtue" in them.... that means that is a character you can trust.........so far my only 2 characters are Reiken and Veridio....my friend is Kaminarus...but i still havnt found him in pso.....
http://eviltapion.tripod.com/lordsofvirtue.jpg

[Spy]

Congrats! You are officially a theif! With a thieve guild named Lords of Virtue I have real hope that the world of PSO will be cleaned up.

- Seriously. Why was your friend dumb enough to let somebody use his god/ability? Theives feed off of ignorance, blind trust, and idiocy. I'm sorry but it's true. People like you bitch about how you were robbed and then go out and DO THE EXACT SAME thing, except that it's worse. While most theives go after random people you target your victims. Premeditation is all that determines 1st and 2nd degree murder and I believe that it applies here. And no, I won't trust you, or anyone from your clan, because you have TAKEN SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T BELONG TO YOU, regaurdless of your intentions. There is no virtue, honor, or redemption in that.

Quote:i meen, my friend has put hundreds of hours into this game, and the poor guy is always losing his high lv hucast. so i meen he used gs to bring him back.....i see fairness in this....

my response: lol...


The big tin-can is in
- Spy

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[ReikenFeralsbane]

nope, sorry im no thief, i offered to give it back....im dishing out medicine here man....cant you see? its TOTALY different. thiefs go around and take peoples HARD EARNED stuff just to be kool, hurt people, or are just PATHETIC! i didnt s"thief" him for those reason, i did it to teach him a lesson, not like i need an agito, ill gladly give it back once my friend has his items back (btw my friend and i are nice guys, we like helping people, satisfaction) . i dont STEAL. i simply take their items as...say..collateral......besides...Alador thiefd himself, for leaving the game, and not giving back my friends stuf.......therefor SPY, you see? i am no thief, the Lords of Virtue is based on honor.....i can understand you arguing a point....but i just proved it to be false....thnak you....
http://eviltapion.tripod.com/lordsofvirtue.jpg

[Heero_Yuy]

Well you are not a thief but not completely honest either. There is no way to fight a thief after he got ur stuff except by stooping to their lvl.

[ReikenFeralsbane]

no my friend, we do not stopp to their level, we stoop ...but to a higher lv than them! our level just tries to get our stuff back, we dont make the first move, they steal our shi' first, so therefore, our level is higher than theirs...do you see what i meen?
as of LoV, yes we are a little evil, but we know how to treat other players

[Spy]

Who learned from who in your encounter? The way I see you picked up a trick or two from the theif. Had you taken his sword and then given it right back with some short little comeback like, "I could have kept this," I would maybe, maybe understand. But you demanded your friend's item back. That isn't theft, it's terrorism.

Lords of vengeance or revenge maybe, but not virtue, because a person of virtue does not get people back, or teach them lessons.

[Seutekh]

This post doesn't even deserve a smiley.

"Dishing out medicine" is stealing. If you take it, and it's not yours... you stole it.

"He stole first" is not an argument. It's an excuse. It didn't work in kindergarten, and it doesn't work now.

There's a term for your point of view: "situational ethics." This is the same line of thinking that follows the "I can kill him if he pissed me off" idealism. Yes, that's a rather extreme example, but what you did is just a step down that road.

You want it back, bug the crap out of them with mail or justkiss it goodbye and move on. Yes, they're rare, yes, they cost you time and effort, but in the end it IS just a game. Besides, with a few more levels under your belt you won't have to worry about that god/ability anyways because your stats will be maxed... Unless you decide that since you los something it's okay to use a gameshark now.

Using a GS is just as lame. I'm not even going to bother with explaining that.

[Warlord35]

I'm with Spy on this one all the way. You are not "dishing out medicine" you are plain out thieving. I would not want to be part of an organization where those kinds of things are going on. Well that was my 2 cents for today.

[ReikenFeralsbane]

ok so now i guess im an official thief since you people have to think of a comeback for everything....argue with everyone........you people are missing the main dam principle....dam man.. cant even post on message boards w/o gettin reemed for trying to do something good. you guys want to get rid of thiefs? tell me how you would go about it....smarty pants http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/icon_razz.gif
in my opinion, you guys are wrong...but like i said, its an opinion and i respect your thoughts. i just believe in eye for an eye... im sorry, but trust me on this....I DO NOT STEAL FROM GOOD HONEST PLAYERS!!. if because i steal from thiefs, makes me a thief myself, so be it. the item they hold was probably thiefed from a good honest player.
http://eviltapion.tripod.com/lordsofvirtue.jpg

[ReikenFeralsbane]

oh ....did i say i use GAMESHARK? cuz quite frankly i dont recall saying that i did.....just so you know

[Ambrai]

I understand your motive and principle. The problem is the old 2 wrongs dont make a right. I personally agree to the steal back from the theives bit, but its not a valid pratice. The reason is because only the purest people could do it, anyone not pure would just use their title as an excuse to steal from people with justification...

[Spy]

Aha! You said in a different string, and I quoted it in my first response, how your friend keeps losing his high lvl hucasts, and so you agree with him using a gameshark to get his level back up.

As to how you get rid of theives, you don't. You live with the fact that they exist, and you take precautions, like say, not giving your god/ability to people that you can't trust 100%. Or better yet, trust no one! Easy as that.

[Seutekh]

"Trust no one?"

Actually... I wouldn't go that far, Spy...

I've found plenty of decent people out there, and I actually have yet to be ripped off. The only items I've lost so far have been to crashes.

On the other hand, loaning your 4 slot celestial armor with god/abilities to "AssClown69Vegita" who you just met 5 seconds ago would probably be a bad idea. That's just common sense.

I think.

[ReikenFeralsbane]

ok ok.....i'll stop i guess.....but its what makes me feel good.....i meen, i dont like bieng a thiefs bitch, i want my sweet revenge.....guess my methods are a little off....but SPY, yes, my friend did use gs to get his character back to what it was...a lv 80 hucast with over 200 hours put into it.....you expect him to start from scratch a 6th time?????? the game has erased his files so many times...have some heart spy. ok, well i just dont appriciate getting reemed for thiefing a thief....it seemd right and just to me...but if all of you are against it...i guess i'll let thiefs rape the innocense out of pso....thank you all for your replies....
ps. i am no thief.

[Elrathan]

Dude, do what you want to do. If your character is a vengeful warrior who steals form the thieves to pay them back, play it up. It is a game and everyone can benefit from a little conflict here and there to keep things exciting. Even better just pester and bug the thieves and enter their games and get them swarmed the take their items and hide them somewhere in the level and let them hunt them down. Scour levels for good items and give them to players who have lost stuff, even if what you give is not as good they would still appreciate it. If you like being the Lords of Virtue don't let us change your mind. Personally I don't see many other ways to pay them back...there is no PK option, and just letting it go could be a choice, but it sounds like you will have more fun taking stuff back from them.

[ReikenFeralsbane]

Elrathan, you are now one of the coolest people on this board, ya know where im comming from, i appreciate that, a little support, instead of me being called a thief. thanx for YOUR input especialy.
i think PK'ing should be an option only if someone has your stuff, you could duel em for your lost shi' back.
http://eviltapion.tripod.com/lordsofvirtue.jpg

[Shala_]

I personally don't care what people do.. my opinion is watch who you trust... get their guild card before you go into battle with them.. if they are new.. don't run into battle with your Dual Brand +9 ... unless you know them.. or you have a guild card.. you can ALWAYS pester somone to death.. and the nice thing is guild cards last forever.. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/icon_wink.gif as they detect the serial# on their dreamcast... Even if they make another character.. they can still be messaged to death.. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/icon_smile.gif
and found and hassled anywhere..
when ever i wanna bring out my big guns... i trade cards with the other players.. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/icon_smile.gif right seutekh http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/icon_wink.gif

[Zwackery]

In my opinion, I think the guy deserved to be stolen from. The only way people will stop thieving is if they get a taste of their own medicine. Besides, you offered to give his item back!

I cosider myself an honest player. I never steal from people, and I give to lower level players all the time. However, I believe if a person intentionally steals from me or one of my friends, they're asking for it in return. I know it's not the right thing to do in real life, but as Seutekh said earlier... it's only a game.

[Seutekh]

Yer missin' my point Zwack...

It's not that "it's not real, so do what you want." That's probably what the bastards tell themselves when they try to sleep at night.

The point is that th item you lost is just a snippet of code... Yeah, it pisses you off, but when you stoop to their level you're not gaining anything.

"So I'm stealing from a theif? Who cares? That item I took, they probably stole too!"

Does that make it better? You're now the proud owner of something someone else had stolen from them. It's still not yours.

"I'll give it to someone else!"

So they can own something that was stolen from someone who didn't do anything to them or you?

I know it seems like the right thing to do when you're upset, and being upset isd the easiest thing to do in the world. Showing them that you're better isn't, but it's worth a whole lot more in the long run.

[Shoryu]

So what do you think of this spy? Some guy stole my double saber +20, so I had a friend go take it back from him. Think that's moral? I don't care if it is or not, it took me forever to lvl up that saber http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/icon_smile.gif

[Zwackery]

Of coure it wouldn't belong to me. However, is the person the item was originally stolen from going to see it again while it is in the thief's possession? I'd say not. So I'd say let somebody have it that won't take advantage of innocent people. As long as the thief is continually rewarded for stealing, he will continue to steal. But if you say "I wouldn't have kept this if you haven't stolen from my friend earlier", he may recognize that he's only making enemies in the game... and that it can come back to haunt him later.

[ShenLong21]

yo!! i don't what you guy think but i think this is just a game but if you take too personal well i would say i say that just go find it or buy someone else since online version vhard mode that give bunch of stuff...but i know that it dam hurt some steal from you... if you are honest player out there the first thing that don't even thinking about steal...cuz it will broke the honor within you...by the way it would be kool that you can kill someone steal from you...

[Zwackery]

Maybe the reason why I feel this way is because I also play Ultima Online. I know a lot of people on this site play Everquest, but I don't so I don't know how the criminal system works there. But in Ultima Online, you cannot steal items from an innocent player's corpse without being flagged a criminal. When you are flagged a criminal, you cannot teleport away and you cannot log out safely. You can be attacked freely by other players... and if someone kills you, all of the items in your inventory are fair game to anyone nearby. When a criminal dies, his corpse can be looted without the fear of the looter turning criminal. Origin implemented this in order to make people think twice before looting an innocent player. So not only is stealing from thieves possible in UO, it's encouraged!

[Seutekh]

First off... what's that symbol? it's been bugging me for weeks now...


Okay... back to the post at hand:

Shoryu- If it's *your* double saber, that's a different story. you're getting back your property. If you take something else, it's still stealing.

ShenLong21- Good point, and it's part of what I've been saying all along. That item is replaceable. Your conscience isn't. Don't toss it out the window just because you're a little miffed.

Zwackery- Just because the person that it was stolen from isn't going to get it from them doesn't mean it's your right to throw it around to whomever you please. Yes, it's unfortunate that we lose things, and yes, it may feel right to exact our "revenge." But in the end, if you go around stealing (even from theives) haven't you lost something far more valuable than that tiny snippet of code that says "Double Saber?"

[Russian]

Preach on, Brother Seutekh, Preach on!

Seriously, on a less psychological note... you DID say you were 100% against theives, but if you steal yourself (whether it's from a thief or not) it isn't exactly a true statement.

I also agree with Elrathan. If you're going to do that (steal from theives) then do it. It's your perrogative. Just don't say you aren't a thief in some form or fashion based on who you're stealing from. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/icon_wink.gif

Just my two meseta.

Russian

[Zwackery]

Actually, I feel quite the opposite... particularly if the thief stole an item from a friend of mine rather than me. If I had stolen from an innocent person (which I wouldn't), my conscience would be eating me alive until I could track that person down to give thier item back... and I'd give the more stuff for the troubles. But for someone that takes pleasure in taking items from innocent players, I feel no regret if I were to take something from them. In fact, if I told them WHY I stole it, I would actually feel pretty good! Maybe they will think twice before they steal from someone else!

Again, this may be because Ultima Online trained me to feel this way about an online RPG. But do you honestly believe we should let thieves go unpunished just so they can steal from other innocent people again? Ultima Online was designed to punish thieves with the possible loss of EVERY item in their inventory! It's a system I agree with! If a thief can't accept the fact that others may track him down to steal back from him, he shouldn't be stealing from others in the first place.

[ReikenFeralsbane]

i'm completly with Zwack on this toppic. i meen, Seu , you just take things WAY to seriously, no offense to your beliefes, but thiefs must be punished, its a must. Seu, you are telling me you would not do one thing if you had a thiefs guild card that stole, say, your gladitors spike?(yellow double saber). you wouldnt do a thing?? *note- no, you could not keep silmple mailing them because i quote from someone who posted earlier "it is terrorism" ....terrorism....some people are crazy...thats absurd.... thievery is terrorism....i dont care what anyone says, thiefs must be punished, and this is the only way to do it in PSO.
also, about the agito i "stole" from alador.... if it was someone elses before it was his its not like i know who they are, cuz if i did i would give it back. but i dont know whos it was, so i have the choice to either...
1. give it to someone else...
or
2. just drop it and leave the game, erasing it.
Seu, please, tell me what i SHOULD i do?
should i just let thieves take my stuff , leaving me their bitch? should i pull down my pants and let them rape me analy? (thats not to my liking btw)

[Shala_]

PSO Pirates turn to Butt Pirates, News at 11:00! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/icon_smile.gif

[BigP]

Eye for an eye works for me.

[Nick814625]

i say to hell with all the theives. i lost a holy ray to a fuking theif. do u know how i feel. i think we should take revenge on those who steal are beloved items. they should be punished in any way shape or form. although there is know guaranteed way of getting ur item back at least u can feel a little better about losing it. it may not be the right thing to do but people should take revenge on the theives of PSO. Vengence will be mine...

[Lenneth]

First: Seutekh, ^that symbol is for Unreal. I have no idea why it's on this board.

Second: You want to make an impact on thieves? It's all about information. The interesting thing about this game is that thieves can't steal from you if you know they're a thief. So if you truly want to make a difference against those that would steal... expose them. Let everyone else know who stole from you, your friend, a stranger. Blacklist them. It's a LOT more effective, trust me.

Of course, its not quite as satisfying as your typical "eye for an eye" stuff. Just be warned: redemption almost always escalates situations, and never seems to solve them.

What you want to do is up to you. Just be aware that your choices will always have consequences on how your peers will perceive you. =)

Pax, Lenneth

[Seutekh]

Aha. Thanks. Makes just as much sense as the Quake symbol, I suppose...

Good post Lenneth... well spoken on all counts. You people wanted an alternative other than mailing them, and now you've got one.

Oh, what the hell.

Who cares, right? You're angry now, and you want something done about it. Sure, lets go steal some stuff back. Hell, why stop at your stuff?

Let's just steal everything we can from the thieves! We'll follow them over and over and over... and steal every time. Eventually we'll have all the stuff we lost, and more! But they stole first, so we're just doing what's right.

But after a while, they'll run out of stuff... but you know what? We can just go loot someone else!!!

Hear me out on this one...I mean the thieves were going to do it anyways, right? We're beating them to the punch! If we steal everything we can, then there will be nothing left for the thieves...and they'll be forced to earn their items, which we will promptly steal again to make sure they don't revert to their original thieving ways.

See? It all makes perfect logical sense, and since we're protecting everyone from thieves by stealing everything, we're not just helping ourselves, but everyone else!!!

Doesn't that sound incredibly intelligent and Virtuous?

[Elidyan]

I've got a question. If the goal is to combat thievery, then would you not agree that the most effective measures ought to be employed? That is, the only way to stop thievery is to make the thief see that stealing is wrong and therefore reprehensible. What ReikenFeralsbane advocates is giving the thief a taste of his or her own medicine in the hopes that if they experience the pain, they will not be so eager to visit it on others.

Reiken's detractors object to his methodology, making comments such as "Two wrongs don't make a right" and "Let's not stoop to his level." They see Reiken as advocating justice in a vigilante-esque manner. Yet, what other deterrents are there to prevent thieves from stealing other people's items? Are there server administrators that reach down from on high and punish those who steal, or cheat, or hack their game? No. Are there built-in consequences for stealing in the game itself? No. The only safeguard is that players cannot kill other players. While aware of the potentiality for theft, I believe that the developers of Phantasy Star Online did all they could short of having an active administrator intervene in the myriad games running online. So how can any person who wishes to stop thieves from continuing in their heinous practices succeed in the absence of punitive measures targeting thieves? I believe that Reiken has arrived at the solution; however, I do believe that what he engages in is the option of last resort. He himself described how he tried to reason with him for "half [an] hour," I assume explaining how the thief was being a detriment to the whole gaming community. When reason does not prevail, force must be exercised.

Didn't we learn that from World War II? Appeasement, concessions, reason, equivocation: all of these were as much a culprit as Hitler's cold machinations. Wars are fought as the last resort, and violence is employed when people cannot resolve conflicts in a reasonable, structured fashion.

If one condemns Reiken's actions, then one should also consider condemning the producers of Phantasy Star Online for the lack of regulations over these kinds of foreseeable disputes. Yet, that is a ridiculous notion in itself, as the developers of PSO cannot be expected to mediate every dispute created by those who play their game.

Perhaps one ought to accept the fact that there is thievery, and accept it as a part of the package. Sure, we don't like thievery, but it exists and we have to deal with it. Those of us who actually want to do something about the problem, well, more power to them.

Such a response is dripping with apathy, and does not accomplish anything. When there is a lack of authority, there will always be anarchy, unless individuals step up to the plate and formulate some kind of deterrent to deviant behavior on their own. While I do not necessarily condone or agree with Reiken's actions, I would urge those who disagree with what he did to look at the circumstances surrounding the problem, and try to come up with constructive alternatives instead of merely jumping on the proverbial bandwagon and denouncing him.

[AdeptArms]

This is a very interesting post...
Although i like what the Lords of virtue are doing (their intention is more than good), Spy put up an interesting argument....
i can't decide which "side" is more correct...

But Spy i wouldn't go so far in calling him a thief, theives "steal" with an intent of keeping for personal gain, he offered the guys property back....

U KNOW WHAT I MEAN?...

[Nick814625]

Seutekh has an interesting solution but would it work? Possibly. I agree With the Lords Of Virtue. They have a good point. We should take back what is rightfully ours. I agree with AdeptArms. I don't think The Lords Of Virtue are theives. They are just taking Vengence. If a theif wants to take our hard earned items well then he/she should be aware of the councequences of his/her actions. All thieves are low life motherfukers in my eyes. That is what I think of theivery. You shouldn't take someone elses stuff. If you do then you are just a weakling. Why don't theives just try to get items on there own probably because they are to weak to.So if someone steals from you I think you have every right to take your item back. Using any method neccessary. So theives beware there are people out ther that will take Vengence upon you if decide to engage in stealing.

[Seutekh]

(expletive) Nick!

That was SARCASM!

[rekonstruct]

I think you have to look at the options that are at your disposal.

1) Let the theif take your stuff, and count your losses.

2) Steal it back.

Those are the only options available to combat thieves.. there are no PSO police to report the crimes too, no enforcement of laws. So basically, its one or the other. Personally, I would hunt the bastard down and try to get my crap back (assuming I had his card of course).

Something that can be really annoying (i think someone else on this board proposed this) is if you constantly join and leave every game he goes into. Until he leaves or gives your stuff back.

[Zwackery]

Well said, Elidyan! That was a magnificent post!

Lenneth, I think your idea is a good one, but you're only helping those who are in earshot of you. Anyone who is unfortunate enough to not hear your warning is at risk of falling victim to the thief. If you can show the thief the error of his ways, you're protecting *everyone* from the thief.

This game allows you to make up your own decision on how you handle a thief. It does not punish you for stealing from someone that is a known thief... so if I have an opportunity to bring a thief to justice and show him that crime does not pay... I intend to do so. I believe UO has a good policy on thieves: Stealing from innocents makes you a criminal. Stealing from criminals is legal and is encouraged. Since the game lets me make up my mind on how I deal with thieves, this is the way I plan on dealing with them. Now if they say "I'm sorry! I'll try to right what I've done wrong!" Well... I believe in second chances. I'll consider them an innocent until they show reason for me to believe otherwise.

As for me (or anyone else) not being entitled to the item that was stolen from the theif... well... you're right. But it's not about that. It's about teaching the thief a lesson. To be honest, if someone stole a double saber from me, and I found out that someone else stole it from the thief, I would be thankful! Sure, I lost my double saber, but at least the thief doesn't have it anymore! I would rather see it in the hands of someone that's against thievery than in the hands of thieves.

Seutekh, while I think you have made a lot of valid arguments in your previous posts, I believe you got a little crazy on your last one. No offense, but you need to be a bit more realistic if you're going to try to persuade me (even if it is in sarcasm).

Thieves have always been a source of annoyance in any MMORPG, and whether the game has protection from it (like UO) or none whatsoever (like PSO) really doesn't change things much. Lots of times, thieves steal for the fun of it, and most likely will continue to do so whether they are stolen from as well or not. I don't know if this is completely true or not, but it seems to me that thieves are sometimes more interested in screwing people over instead of actually playing the game and earning their status (the same is likely with GameShark users). This means that the thieves probably don't care that their Agito was stolen, Reiken, and it might actually drive them to taking advantage of another innocent in search of an Agito to replace the one they lost. This is why the "eye for an eye" method is somewhat invalid. If they don't stop on their own, they probably won't stop if someone steals a weapon of their's, knowing that they could always just hunt around for another poor soul to take advantage of. Thank god there is no PKing in PSO, or even I wouldn't play it online for even a second. The developers of Sonic Team tried to find the best way to discourage stealing, and they thought that eliminating the Player Kill would be the best way. While it didn't stop cheating, I can't think of a system offhand that has been completely flawless. In the end, being a Vigilante may feel like the right thing to do, but sometimes it can lead to even worse crimes in the long run.

[AdeptArms]

I am enjoying this "argument" more and more... This is just like real life, arguing over what is just and unjust...

That is what makes Phantasy Star Online truly a great game, it puts it's characters in real life situations...

[ReikenFeralsbane]

many thanx to Zwack , Elidyan, nick, and other for supporting me. Seu was getting crazy in that last post, no offense...of course, by saying implying that i'll get addicted to thievery? ROFL note that i'm not an idiot, i know how to control my actions, im a good person in real life, i know when to "steal" and when not to. i told you before Seu, i said i dont steal from good honest players. also on the topic of letting people know who is a thief instead of taking your stuff back, i do!!! i fallow some of these thiving buttholes into lobbys and the first wordxs i type are "so and so is a thief! dont play with them, blah blah blah" . so that issue is dead.
now, how does doing that get my weapon back??? these thieves are heartless fukers. they are ignorant, most cant type nor say ANYTHING intelligent whatsoever. there is NO communication with them. they try to make STUPID ASS excuses like "oh, my brother was playing with my character earlier" ya fukin' right! stfu!! ......and just so Seu and anyone else tries to say "well maybe their brother was on their character and stole your stuff!" well, give that shit back to me then motherfuker!!! unless your "brother" sold it too. i dont believe their lies until i get my shi back. Seu, maybe you like doing nothing about your stuff being stolen from you, but i love this game and hate to see these cocksuckers ruin my expierience, or any other hardcore fan of pso. this game is awsome, and i will not tollerate thiefes corrupting it if i have the power to stop them.
i cant believe some people on this message board are actualy defending thiefs in someareas...NO!!!!
thieves deserve no sympathy. i dont even consider them anybody, once they steal, i see them as a drone, no heart or soul. "taking back" your items is perfectly alright, PERFECTLY!!! some people may get addicted to stealing from thieves and go over board stealing everything the thief has, but thats because they are weak themselves, and must have no respect for their abilities in finding items themselves.
thieves go so far as to manipulate you! thats terrible!!!
i meen when i first started playing pso, the community was awsome, everyone was new to this expierience, and everyone helped eacother, at least, when i first went online. now i bet there are more thieves out there than any true pso player.
i hope in pso2 that if someone takes your stuff, you can pk them if you wanted, and that you couldnt just "quit and save," you get a 10 second countdown until you can successfuly quit, just so the person can get up using a scape doll an try to give chase. i dont know, something would be kool!!
you know what would be kool? if you could "brand" your weapon, putting your name on it. making it yours and only yours, no matter who has it....and you could track it or something...and whoever had it, could not use it unless the weapon was "unlocked" on your command.
i dunno, thanx to everyone that has supported me, your thoughts and opinions are appreciated.
~reiken~
ps. sorry, but i usualy only post in the morning, durring school, haha
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