Most Hated PA?

[Zorafim]

At the moment, Bogga Zubba. Though the second dagger PA is also getting on my nerves...

[-Aurora-]

Mayalee fury = garbage!!!

[Mayu]

Whats your most hated PA?
Bullet,Skill,Tech Whatever

- Tornado dance -.-

[ashley50]

Almost ALL of the Ult Bullet PAs are garbage. In my opinion that is...

[Micro]

I hate shunbu or whatever the 2nd single dagger PA is called...

[Chuck_Norris]

On 2007-09-30 11:56, Zorafim wrote:
At the moment, Bogga Zubba.



Agreed.

[Jakosifer]

Shunbu Shoren Zan by far, deleted it for Hikai (Finally)

[Genoa]

Splendor Crush

[ThEoRy]

the white debuff, because it doesn't exist!
yet....

[ShinAnt]

The twin claw arts seem odd to me.

[Lamak]

At the moment Majarra. Yeah it is awesome, but it seems people need to use it all times. Even on that one polty...

[Mayu]

BAD LAMAK!!!

BURN LAMAK :_;

[Midicronica]

Shunbu Shuren-zan

[relentless]

Umm..

Bogga Zubba.

Doesn't look cool, it's slow, other PAs outdamage it easily, range is so-so, sucks that it only has 1 combo etc.

[Mayu]

I really though Zubba was like

''BURN KNUCKOOO''
Then I relized

WTH IT'S SLOW <.

[Lamak]

<_> Let me get my Garment Aura.

[Kismet]

I would say Tornado Dance and Shunbu blah-blah (I deleted that one for Kismet too a while back. It's worthless).

And the twin claw PAs are not odd! >=O

If I had Dus Mujarra, I'd spam it too... (Looks so much fun. ;;)

[PJ]

Bogga Zubba, Ass Crush, hmm

And levelling bullets.

[-Ryuki-]

The "...why?" ones.
-Bogga Danga
-Bogga Zubba
-Tornado Dance

The "spin, spin, spin" ones.
-Renkai
-Spinning Break
-Tornado Spin





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[Rashiid]

single claw ones are not cool.

TD of coarse (its Badira; comon!)

Gernade launchers in general.

as for technics....cant rly hate them http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Shou]

On 2007-09-30 12:13, PJ wrote:
Bogga Zubba, Ass Crush, hmm

And levelling bullets.

[Zorafim]

You know, assault crush is getting on my nerves as well. Its numbers are huge, but it runs out of PP much too quickly. It's taking a long time to get to 21 (might have something to do with my spamming the final twin dagger PA for PA exp), so I'm still stick with the first two parts.

[DavidNel]

anyting that deals with dual claws... I hate dual claws!

[-Ryuki-]

Dual Claws are by far, one of the most fun weapons I've ever used. It's unfortunate many dislike them.

Levia, if you hadn't known, Lvling from 19-21 on any PA takes EXTREMELY long. Assault Crush, once you get it to 21, it'll lvl a lot faster and would be more satisfying to use.

On a side note, to deal with your PP problems.. ever decide investing in a +10 Del Jagnus? >.>

[HFlowen]

I'm finding any force that uses regrants in an open area to be just as annoying as tornado dance....

[Zorafim]

Ew, dual seed clubs. I think I'll pass on that.

[relentless]

On 2007-09-30 12:13, PJ wrote:
Ass Crush

lolz0ors


@Zora
Using Yohmei Twin Saber should be enough to get that thing to 21. n_n Once it's lvl 21, it actually becomes useful and lvls faster, too like Ryuki already mentioned. :3

[Longtail]

Can I say I like all PA's? It's leveling them that I don't like. Especially rifles... and crossbows... or any other bullets that can't be considered effective until 21+, which is a lot of them...

[Powder Keg]

Why the hate for Shunbu? I like it better than the other one..

I personally don't like Spinning Break or Assault Crush.....they just seem crummy to me. Or shitty PAs like the 'Ultimate" bow ones.

[Neith]

Assault Crush (terrible until 21)
Dus Robado (at least until it does damage worth the PP)
Spinning Break (Daggas owns it in my opinion)
Renkai Buyou-zan (Gets interrupted pretty often..)
Gravity Strike (Too much PP)
Shousen Totsuzan-ga (Too much PP)

Renkai isn't terrible, I just find that there's PA's I prefer to use. I'll probably end up using Dus Robado more when it gets buffed up, and Daggas/Redda are almost obsolete now compared to Majarra and Gravity Break.

[RadiantLegend]

2nd twin daggers

[Zorafim]

Huh? Why dislike the only twin dagger PA which doesn't look silly?

[BanF]

I like both twin daggers skills. Renkai helps me with mobs, Moubu is perfect for bosses.

Now Renzan for twin claws, that one just looks like it came from a bad chop-socky flick.

[RadiantLegend]

It looks weird to me. (and i dislike twin daggers)

As for bullet PAs

boma maga

[XenithFlare]

Renzan... is awesome. D: And Shousen would be AMAZING if single claws had respectable PP; as it is, it's just good.

I'm really not fond of Bukuu, Zubba, Splendor Crush, or Gravity Strike. Gravity was neat in offline, but for some reason I couldn't get into it online. =

[Zorafim]

Ah right, bukuu, I forgot about that. It needs a much higher attack modifier. I love its looks, but its damage simply doesn't exist.

[Nobo]

On 2007-09-30 12:06, Midicronica wrote:
Shunbu Shuren-zan


HEL YEH!

[Para]

On 2007-09-30 12:36, Ragolismine wrote:
2nd twin daggers

Hmm yeah Moubu's pretty bad lol. Narrow range, late knockback makes it pretty bad.

[-Ryuki-]

Shunbu is the faster version of Rising Strike. People overlook this.

[Kion]

shunbu, because it's a pethetically slow knock up and doesn't connect well. and tornado dance because of fighgunners spamming it on ageetas.

[Zorafim]

It's faster? I thought I timed it to be a similar length. Regardless, for some reason, I just can't like shunbu. I need to get this to 30, but it isn't nearly enjoyable as rising strike is.

[Mayu]

On 2007-09-30 13:40, Zorafim wrote:
Ah right, bukuu, I forgot about that. It needs a much higher attack modifier. I love its looks, but its damage simply doesn't exist.

It's fine -.-

as for Second dagger PA

I used it for Knock downs to combo with another PA lol
Then It got annoying since buten along with Ulti Dagger worked to and does more damage http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



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[Shadow_Wing]

On 2007-09-30 11:59, ashley50 wrote:
Almost ALL of the Ult Bullet PAs are garbage. In my opinion that is...



I'd agree too... I have like 4? And one of em I'm lvling just cause I have to <<;

[Para]

On 2007-09-30 14:08, Shadow_Wing wrote:

On 2007-09-30 11:59, ashley50 wrote:
Almost ALL of the Ult Bullet PAs are garbage. In my opinion that is...



I'd agree too... I have like 4? And one of em I'm lvling just cause I have to <<;

have to? D:

lol how far did you level boma maga then? XD

[Shadow_Wing]

lol I dropped that sucker at lvl 5, I'm forced to lvl mayalee shot though, it's by pure principle of being a rifle addict that I'm lvling it <<;

[Zorafim]

On 2007-09-30 13:58, Mayu wrote:
It's fine -.-


It's not. It really isn't. It would be if not for the PP cost, or if the radius is larger, or if the damage modifier was better, but to be outclassed in your own weapon type PA list isn't nice.

[-Ryuki-]

Question for all of you Shunbu haters.

Would you rather have knock-up or knock-back? Think of the party now.

[Para]

On 2007-09-30 14:28, RyukiZero wrote:
Question for all of you Shunbu haters.

Would you rather have knock-up or knock-back? Think of the party now.

knock back because it pushes the monsters away from your party thus protecting them from melee attacks http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Zorafim]

On 2007-09-30 14:28, RyukiZero wrote:
Question for all of you Shunbu haters.

Would you rather have knock-up or knock-back? Think of the party now.



Rising Strike. Or Crush. Or that twin dagger PA.
Knockup is nice to have, but there are better ways to get it. Shunbu's just our least favorite one.

[Dragwind]

Shunbu is knock-up and knock-back btw. I use it how it's needed. If I need to stop some enemies from attacking, I'll only use the first to keep them in place but put them down for a second or two.

If there's weak players around the mob, I'll use the second part of Shunbu if needed to knock them back.

[Pengfishh]

On 2007-09-30 13:51, RyukiZero wrote:
Shunbu is the faster version of Rising Strike. People overlook this.



Thank yooooouuuuu. Shunbu is good for what it is -- three hits in quick succession that knock shit around.

First Axe PA is complete garbage, however. Why are you so slow, eh? Why!?!

[SolomonGrundy]

Skills:

Shunbu Shoren Zan
(rising strike is free and better)
Anga Redda
(innacurrate, expensive, hits tend to knock enemies out of range)

if I had to pick 1?
Shunbu Shoren Zan


Bullets:
electric rifle: nothing large can be shocked

ground rifle: nothing large can be silenced

sleep rifle: rate of fire tends to nerf the effect

if I had to pick 1? Elec pisses me off the most.


Techs:
Nos-megid: debilitatingly expensive...for what it does.

[Zorafim]

On 2007-09-30 14:56, Pengfishh wrote:
First Axe PA is complete garbage, however. Why are you so slow, eh? Why!?!




It's a support attack, like shunbu. It's the only PA besides Tornado Dance that can knockback so easily. If used strategically, it can be a god send, and it's the only fF weapon that can do so.
The big numbers are kinda fun, too.

[pokefiend]

On 2007-09-30 15:03, SolomonGrundy wrote:
Bullets:
electric rifle: nothing large can be shocked

Technically it holds a more important duty, and that is to slay Dimmagolus http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

ground rifle: nothing large can be silenced

*cough*Gaozorans*cough*
sleep rifle: rate of fire tends to nerf the effect

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lxO0t6jbbLk
1:13-1:20
you'll be happy to discover ST has altered the affect of sleep in Aoi http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


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[Zorafim]

Wow, that form of quoting is confusing.

Erm, yeah, I'm kinda glad to see that my Skelas will no longer have a useless status effect. It was kinda odd, how one of the fastest hitting weapons in the game had the sleep effect. Techs, I can understand. Guns, almost. But twin weapons?

[pikachief]

instant freeze grenade launcher

[-Ryuki-]

On 2007-09-30 14:56, Pengfishh wrote:

On 2007-09-30 13:51, RyukiZero wrote:
Shunbu is the faster version of Rising Strike. People overlook this.



Thank yooooouuuuu. Shunbu is good for what it is -- three hits in quick succession that knock shit around.

First Axe PA is complete garbage, however. Why are you so slow, eh? Why!?!

Dugrega > Redda. There is no argument in this statement.

[Zorafim]

Well, there's damage output, and general situations, in which redda wins by a small margin. No point in using Dugrega on rats in a clear field, after all.
But yeah, Dugrega is kinda win.

[Kanju]

Shunbu Shouren-zan - The hits are fast and accurate, but it has slow startup. and you have to practically hug the enemies to connect.

Spinning Break - Just using it is awkward.

Megid - Nice modifier and all, but it's too much PP.

[rogue_robot]

You can't completely discount the slower PAs like Zubba (well, unless the enemy AI update in AoI is that good, which I doubt). I enjoy charging Zubba at a distance and watching Vahras, etc. walk right into it.

Not sure about the axes or "ult" PAs, since I only play offline. I'll just have to take everyones' word on those until AoI.

I think Shunbu > Rising Strike, solely in that I've been interrupted in the middle of Rising Strike far too many times to care much for that ability. Shunbu may have slower warmup, but offline, at least, Shunbu destroys Kamatozes with its quicker execution, while Rising Strike against them is made of fail (I don't appreciate being made into a CASTsicle in the middle of a combo specifically meant to prevent me from becoming one).

[Zorafim]

Hm, spinning break shouldn't be too awkward to use. Are you locking on?

As for Megid, the PP usage is being halfed come expansion. This should make it more manageable.

[Mayu]

o.0 really?

Yay http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[KaffeKane]

Spinning Break. Why the hell did I ever bother getting that one?!

[perfectminute]

Tornado Dance. And when people use grenades on a group of badira in a party...

[Remedy]

Diga. Way too good for what it is.

[BigBadWolf]

No way, I thought u was dead X_X

[Hrith]

Splendor Crush -- nothing good about it
Renkai Buyou-zan -- just sucks

Yak Zagenga -- gets worse every day

Dambarta -- overused (even on monsters not weak to ice), not even powerful and this: http://keffypoo.free.fr/psu/network/dambarta1.png
Regrant -- my eyes!

[Gryffin]

Mm. I'm not too sure.. I dislike shunbu, but only because hikai and buten are cooler looking... xD.

I <3 Dugrega, I wish it were 21 though.

Overall, my issues come from not wantin' to level junk... lol.

[-Ryuki-]

I love that PA where you throw people at mobs. I forgot what it was called though.

[Zorafim]

I remember that one. Umaro and Bowser used it. Funny thing about Umaro, though, he found an exploit in the system so that he could throw himself at mobs. Of course, this backfired and he ended up throwing himself at himself.

[MrNomad]

I hate, all the sword PAs really. Tornado Break? Nah, Dus Robado does it better. Spinning Break? Nah, Dus Daggas can do it better. Well, Gravity Break should do the trick!......NAH, Anga Redda and Dus Majarra can do it better XD

[Zorafim]

I can see Dus Majarra, but where did you get Anga Redda from?

But yeah, Sword is Lance-1

[MrNomad]

On 2007-09-30 21:34, Zorafim wrote:
I can see Dus Majarra, but where did you get Anga Redda from?

But yeah, Sword is Lance-1

Because its a pure damage PA > >

[lee-san]

tornado break

[SolomonGrundy]

yeah, I don't get how TENORA spears have more PP than GRM swords. And for some reason spears regen a high PP amount too.

The ATP difference is not big enough. Gib moar ATP to swords.like another 50

Still, come AoI when TENORA Swords become available...

[-Ryuki-]

Anga Redda? Better than Dugrega?

...Who let him hold an axe?

[Syl]

Can't say I personally hate any PA's.

In terms of looks, Regrants makes people blind. I can imagine how bad it should be at 31+ >.>

[-Ryuki-]

My guess is... pretty bad. It's blinding enough at +11.

[AC9breaker]

Chousei sou...

[Serephim]

that new AoI Twin Claw PA starts off interestingly then ends in the most fucked up pose possible

[Miyoko]

On 2007-10-01 03:22, SylviaEspada wrote:
Can't say I personally hate any PA's.

In terms of looks, Regrants makes people blind. I can imagine how bad it should be at 31+ >.>



I share this standpoint. Besides, most PA's can be extremely annoying if used wrong.

Regrants 31+ should be ammusing. It'll cause more damage to players eyes than it will the enemy. I've only seen Lv1 regrants offline, and even -that- gave me a headache x_x

Edit: Posting on a laptop with 32mb of RAM sucks. D:

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[Syl]

On 2007-10-01 04:07, Miyoko wrote:

On 2007-10-01 03:22, SylviaEspada wrote:
Can't say I personally hate any PA's.

In terms of looks, Regrants makes people blind. I can imagine how bad it should be at 31+ >.>



I share this standpoint. Besides, most PA's can be extremely annoying if used wrong.

Regrants 31+ should be ammusing. It'll cause more damage to players eyes than it will the enemy. I've only seen Lv1 regrants offline, and even -that- gave me a headache x_x

Edit: Posting on a laptop with 32mb of RAM sucks. D:

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Can you imagine more than one techer using it? D:

[relentless]

[b]On 2007-10-01 04:14, SylviaEspada
Can you imagine more than one techer using it? D:

Mhmmmm... 6 fT spamming Regrants lvl 40.. =O AWESOME lol

[Miyoko]

It'll be like, trying to play after sitting infront of an exploding flash bang grenade... D:

[amtalx]

Any Hunter PAs that scater enemies (e.g. Tornado Dance). Seriously...cut that shit out.

[RegulusHikari]

Splendor Crush is absolutely terrible. I love Assault but it looks like Hurricane might be replacing it.

[panzer_unit]

That I've had?

spinning break - much better than tornado break for damage on 1 target, but gravity break just killed it there. it's hard to line up 2 targets from start to finish to make proper use of this PA except on specific enemies.
dus daggas - even a really good spinning break kinda sucks imo :|
shousen totsuzan-ga - the first hit's got no reach or movement, i found it a pain to connect with generally.

[MrNomad]

On 2007-10-01 03:04, RyukiZero wrote:
Anga Redda? Better than Dugrega?

...Who let him hold an axe?

Is that to me? Lol I know Dugrega is better, I've been using it before everyone else realized its use. Point still stands though, Redda is stronger, end of argument.

[CelestialBlade]

Tornado Dance in the hands of a noob.
Regrant in the hands of a noob.
Dambarta in the hands of a noob.

....seeing a trend? I know Dambarta is a godly spell but for the love of christ, STOP BLINDING ME WITH IT.

[Zorafim]

On 2007-09-30 21:35, MrNomad wrote:
Because its a pure damage PA > >



And still manages to average less damage than Gravity Break. There isn't a comparison.

[chibiLegolas]

On 2007-09-30 12:02, ThEoRy wrote:
the white debuff, because it doesn't exist!
yet....



I'm with him.
Though for some strange reason, jellen (attack down) will lower tech damage on certain mob casters. Unless one of the upgrades changed all that....