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Saner
Oct 2, 2007, 01:26 AM
ooohh it looks like even the Guardians Colony HUB will be used as a dungeon/mission too! since one of those screenshots shows a gameplay battle taking place on the 4th floor of Clyez.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/890/890127/imgs_1.html

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_salad.gif

Chibi_psu
Oct 2, 2007, 02:17 AM
over 2 pages? more than 10 new pages lol.Anyway thx for the info it show some episode 3 pics of lumia too!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif(would be nice if spio translate what those pics says hehe)

beatrixkiddo
Oct 2, 2007, 02:19 AM
Oh cool, Ethan's crotch.
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001105824309.jpg

Miyoko
Oct 2, 2007, 02:21 AM
Something wants out...

Niloklives
Oct 2, 2007, 02:21 AM
some of these re screens from ep2...very not new

beatrixkiddo
Oct 2, 2007, 02:22 AM
Well, they're from EP2 as it appears in AoI, so they're new! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

ShadowDragon28
Oct 2, 2007, 03:31 AM
And several are pics from Ep 3 chpt 1 and are *spoilers*.

landman
Oct 2, 2007, 03:52 AM
Yes, this tread needs SPOILERS in the title because I'm posting some of them http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

so...

SPOILER
SPOILER
SPOILER
























































http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001105848809.jpg

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001105845653.jpg

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110127932.jpg

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110148822.jpg

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001105840903.jpg

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001105946574.jpg

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001105835325.jpg


Lumia time

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110202166.jpg

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110118541.jpg

Apparently, she is a techer (and has a magical wand <_<)
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110140838.jpg

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110137213.jpg

Not sure about the background, but if it is the colony... it is very solid to stay in one piece http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110114166.jpg

Oniichan! I can take care of myself! (or something like that http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif )
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001105823590.jpg


GHURAL
LINK (http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001105854106.jpg)

DARK PLANET RYUKROS (looks artificial to me, maybe it's just a bigger HIVE)
LINK (http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001105924043.jpg)

-Ryuki-
Oct 2, 2007, 04:57 AM
You know. It'd be nice if you didn't show the image tags.

That was far worse than a simple spoiler.

Serephim
Oct 2, 2007, 05:00 AM
You know, if that colony is tough enough to not be destroyed upon impact, it was strong enough to destroy that planet.

February
Oct 2, 2007, 05:00 AM
Lumia's outfit is adorable. Too bad we won't get it. Unless there is going to be some variation or something.

-Ryuki-
Oct 2, 2007, 05:04 AM
No no, we ARE getting it. Pictures of it was already posted.

February
Oct 2, 2007, 05:08 AM
I guess that's what I get for not being here everyday?

Psssst. Send me the link. Especially if there are pics of the color variations...

Kismet
Oct 2, 2007, 05:34 AM
On 2007-10-02 03:08, February wrote:
I guess that's what I get for not being here everyday?

Psssst. Send me the link. Especially if there are pics of the color variations...



No offense Feb, but i find your Lumia fetish disturbing... o.O XD

landman
Oct 2, 2007, 05:42 AM
On 2007-10-02 02:57, RyukiZero wrote:
You know. It'd be nice if you didn't show the image tags.

That was far worse than a simple spoiler.


The images are easier to see this way http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif (well, I'm not sure if you were talking about that, I didn't understand the term "image tag" and my dictionary doesn't help)


Forgot one image.... no clue about this, I just hope it is not Parum
link (http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110126510.jpg)

February
Oct 2, 2007, 05:49 AM
On 2007-10-02 03:34, Kismet wrote:

On 2007-10-02 03:08, February wrote:
I guess that's what I get for not being here everyday?

Psssst. Send me the link. Especially if there are pics of the color variations...



No offense Feb, but i find your Lumia fetish disturbing... o.O XD



Lumia fetish...? Saying I liked the clothes is a "fetish?"

Dj_SkyEpic
Oct 2, 2007, 05:58 AM
It's so easy to tell that the new guy to be Olsan Waber. That family all has an orange shade of hair >.>

Kismet
Oct 2, 2007, 06:11 AM
On 2007-10-02 03:49, February wrote:

On 2007-10-02 03:34, Kismet wrote:

On 2007-10-02 03:08, February wrote:
I guess that's what I get for not being here everyday?

Psssst. Send me the link. Especially if there are pics of the color variations...



No offense Feb, but i find your Lumia fetish disturbing... o.O XD



Lumia fetish...? Saying I liked the clothes is a "fetish?"

My bad, I got u confused with the other girl (ur avatars match)

-Ryuki-
Oct 2, 2007, 06:12 AM
It's somewhere in the SS thread for Illuminous. I don't have the picture or the exact page it's on, though.

February
Oct 2, 2007, 06:14 AM
I actually just found it a few minutes ago. i really like the color variants for it, a lot. Feb may end up wearing that outfit.

Rashiid
Oct 2, 2007, 06:39 AM
Lumia's a tekker!!

bwhahahhahaah!!

and she has a magical wand WTF.

Chibi_psu
Oct 2, 2007, 06:42 AM
You can buy lumia clothes in aoi offline.40 k the suit and 40 k the boots.There are lots of colours but not lumia blue one.

Im that lumia fan i always liked her since i saw it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

February
Oct 2, 2007, 07:15 AM
You can't get them online then?

CelestialBlade
Oct 2, 2007, 07:15 AM
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110126510.jpg

Oh shit.

Oh SHIT.

Lamak
Oct 2, 2007, 07:23 AM
...And the story was just spoiled for me. u_u

Shiro_Ryuu
Oct 2, 2007, 07:28 AM
Man, I just spoiled myself, its muh easier to spoil yourself when you can read Japanese. Well, nice screens anyway, and I think Lumia's a bit too young to be wearing something like that. I wish Maya can wear something more revealing though. Hmmm....Maya.

Kismet
Oct 2, 2007, 08:19 AM
On 2007-10-02 05:15, Typheros wrote:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110126510.jpg

Oh shit.

Oh SHIT.



LMAO! Which planet is that, though?

relentless
Oct 2, 2007, 08:23 AM
On 2007-10-02 05:28, Shiroryuu wrote:
Man, I just spoiled myself, its muh easier to spoil yourself when you can read Japanese. Well, nice screens anyway, and I think Lumia's a bit too young to be wearing something like that. I wish Maya can wear something more revealing though. Hmmm....Maya.

AoI = Invasion of the Lolis http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

EspioKaos
Oct 2, 2007, 08:51 AM
GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/phantasystaruniverseilluminasnoyabou/images.html?sid=6180169&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded%3Btitle%3B1&page=1) updated their site with a ton of new images, too. Many of them are duplicates of IGN's, but still...

Anyway, we know that in Episode 3 our characters will be given choices which will directly affect the lives of various characters throughout the story, even putting some of them at risk of death. Looks like our first choice is...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=935448&img=139

...whether or not you let Lumia come with you on your first mission with Maya. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I wonder how the story would work out if you don't let Lumia go with you? I imagine she'd find a way to persuade you, or she'd end up going by herself.

Rashiid
Oct 2, 2007, 08:53 AM
On 2007-10-02 06:19, Kismet wrote:

On 2007-10-02 05:15, Typheros wrote:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110126510.jpg

Oh shit.

Oh SHIT.



LMAO! Which planet is that, though?



JP sure love blowin up stuff.....
kinda looks like Moatoob...
..Tonnio will not be happy...

EspioKaos
Oct 2, 2007, 09:00 AM
D:

I'm doubting it could be Moatoob as I don't see any sign of a satellite belt. But, it just occurred to me that this could be one of the possible endings of Episode 3. Maybe if you make the "wrong" choices, one of the planets goes boom?

Rashiid
Oct 2, 2007, 09:02 AM
wrong....choice? did i miss something in the discussion thread???
you can be evil?? do want!

EspioKaos
Oct 2, 2007, 09:07 AM
On 2007-10-02 07:02, Rashiid wrote:
wrong....choice? did i miss something in the discussion thread???
you can be evil?? do want!

It was revealed a few weeks ago that during the course of Episode 3, since our characters will be taking the lead, we'll be making the decisions as far as where to go and what to do. So, I guess technically, you could be somewhat evil if you want, but I get the feeling (*eyes previous picture*) it would end the story a little early. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Shinou
Oct 2, 2007, 09:13 AM
On 2007-10-02 06:51, EspioKaos wrote:
GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/phantasystaruniverseilluminasnoyabou/images.html?sid=6180169&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded%3Btitle%3B1&page=1) updated their site with a ton of new images, too. Many of them are duplicates of IGN's, but still...

Anyway, we know that in Episode 3 our characters will be given choices which will directly affect the lives of various characters throughout the story, even putting some of them at risk of death. Looks like our first choice is...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=935448&img=139

...whether or not you let Lumia come with you on your first mission with Maya. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I wonder how the story would work out if you don't let Lumia go with you? I imagine she'd find a way to persuade you, or she'd end up going by herself.



Then Ethan would be pissed at you! And...of course try to take your head off.

A2K
Oct 2, 2007, 10:26 AM
On 2007-10-02 06:51, EspioKaos wrote:
GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/phantasystaruniverseilluminasnoyabou/images.html?sid=6180169&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded%3Btitle%3B1&page=1) updated their site with a ton of new images, too. Many of them are duplicates of IGN's, but still...

Anyway, we know that in Episode 3 our characters will be given choices which will directly affect the lives of various characters throughout the story, even putting some of them at risk of death. Looks like our first choice is...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=935448&img=139

...whether or not you let Lumia come with you on your first mission with Maya. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I wonder how the story would work out if you don't let Lumia go with you? I imagine she'd find a way to persuade you, or she'd end up going by herself.



It might be one of those things where saying "no" just ends up looping back to the choice, although doing this might have repercussions that aren't immediately obvious until later on.


On 2007-10-02 07:00, EspioKaos wrote:
D:

I'm doubting it could be Moatoob as I don't see any sign of a satellite belt. But, it just occurred to me that this could be one of the possible endings of Episode 3. Maybe if you make the "wrong" choices, one of the planets goes boom?



Eh, it just looks like some rather high sunspot activity to me...

EspioKaos
Oct 2, 2007, 10:28 AM
On 2007-10-02 08:26, A2K wrote:
Eh, it just looks like some rather high sunspot activity to me...

That occurred to me, too. And considering that in one of the new opening movies to Episode 2 the Divine Maiden said it seems the SEED are coming from the sun, I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if it were.

Parn
Oct 2, 2007, 10:29 AM
I'd say the release really will be November. The hype machine has started with websites beginning to post content. I'd expect 1up to have a PSU article regarding the 1up Cup and new media sometime today.

F-Gattaca
Oct 2, 2007, 10:49 AM
On 2007-10-02 05:15, Typheros wrote:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110126510.jpg

Oh shit.

Oh SHIT.



In the immortal words of Shino:

"...

That was not an earthquake."

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: F-Gattaca on 2007-10-02 12:22 ]</font>

A2K
Oct 2, 2007, 10:55 AM
You know, actually, that image in particular reminds of me of a scene from the original announcement trailer at E3... 2004? 2005? The first one that was all FMV and has been reposted here many times.

BahnKnakyu
Oct 2, 2007, 10:57 AM
On 2007-10-02 05:15, Typheros wrote:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110126510.jpg

Oh shit.

Oh SHIT.



y halo thar, I have a Death Star.

Mysterious-G
Oct 2, 2007, 10:59 AM
On 2007-10-02 08:55, A2K wrote:
You know, actually, that image in particular reminds of me of a scene from the original announcement trailer at E3... 2004? 2005? The first one that was all FMV and has been reposted here many times.



Indeed! I remember a trailer with the Divine Maiden, she was speaking like in the beginning of Ep. 1, and then there was a big "boom"! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Saner
Oct 2, 2007, 11:57 AM
wait if ep.3 destroys a planet, will that affect the online HUBs/lobbys available?

EspioKaos
Oct 2, 2007, 11:58 AM
Wow, spoilers and all that, ya know?

To answer the question, technically, yes. But, that's why I think it's possible that could be an alternate "bad" ending. I don't see them getting rid of one third of the Gurhal system.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: EspioKaos on 2007-10-02 10:00 ]</font>

CelestialBlade
Oct 2, 2007, 12:02 PM
Oh, now I understand. It has all became clear.

If you say no to Lumia, she destroys Parum D:

landman
Oct 2, 2007, 12:28 PM
Great gamespot, now my new wallpaper will not have an IGN watermark : D

LINK (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/273/935448_20071001_screen075.jpg)

And their gallery has some kind of order, not like the mess at IGN


On 2007-10-02 06:51, EspioKaos wrote:
Anyway, we know that in Episode 3 our characters will be given choices which will directly affect the lives of various characters throughout the story, even putting some of them at risk of death. Looks like our first choice is...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=935448&img=139


I GET IT NOW, it is some kind of japanese date simulator like Sakura Taisen and your decisions affect the mod of the female characters in combat!! ZOMG IT MAKES SENSE http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: landman on 2007-10-02 10:33 ]</font>

BahnKnakyu
Oct 2, 2007, 12:51 PM
On 2007-10-02 08:59, Mysterious-G wrote:
Indeed! I remember a trailer with the Divine Maiden, she was speaking like in the beginning of Ep. 1, and then there was a big "boom"! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



I sensed a disturbance in the Force, it's as though thousands of living beings screamed out in agony, and suddenly stopped...

Or something like that. If I start seeing lightsabers and stuff I'm outta here.

landman
Oct 2, 2007, 01:39 PM
On 2007-10-02 10:51, BahnKnakyu wrote:

On 2007-10-02 08:59, Mysterious-G wrote:
Indeed! I remember a trailer with the Divine Maiden, she was speaking like in the beginning of Ep. 1, and then there was a big "boom"! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



I sensed a disturbance in the Force, it's as though thousands of living beings screamed out in agony, and suddenly stopped...

Or something like that. If I start seeing lightsabers and stuff I'm outta here.



Lightsabers? did you mean, photon sabers? nuuuuu Phantasy Star has NOTHING from Star Wars

http://www.efkm.com/dezoris/ps_preso5.gif

You may proceed http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Chibi_psu
Oct 2, 2007, 01:47 PM
i doubt you can say no to play with lumia.The new episode 3 pics look great.I wonder if we will get new npc cards like in aoi offline

Para
Oct 2, 2007, 02:56 PM
Have you guys ever ever watched Shadow Raiders / Warplanets? because the concept is VERY CLOSE to PSU's. As the reference to the sun, in Shadow Raiders, the Beast Planet emerges from the sun... If you recall in the newest Hal report, the SEED planet appears, most likely from the sun. Other similarities to Shadow Raiders would include there are four planets/locations like PSU (including the Guardian's Colony). All planets in both Shadow Raiders and PSU have "ancient technology". All 4 races are under an uneasy peace etc.

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001105924043.jpg

That explosion of a planet has to be the BEST ending to the story because its the literal destruction of the SEED.

Laia looks very nice in the CG. Much better than a lot of the other NPC chars.

McLaughlin
Oct 2, 2007, 03:53 PM
I really liked Shadow Raiders.

pikachief
Oct 2, 2007, 03:57 PM
On 2007-10-02 03:34, Kismet wrote:

On 2007-10-02 03:08, February wrote:
I guess that's what I get for not being here everyday?

Psssst. Send me the link. Especially if there are pics of the color variations...



No offense Feb, but i find your Lumia fetish disturbing... o.O XD



And i find YOUR lack o0f faith disturbing!

Kismet
Oct 2, 2007, 04:54 PM
On 2007-10-02 13:57, pikachief wrote:

On 2007-10-02 03:34, Kismet wrote:

On 2007-10-02 03:08, February wrote:
I guess that's what I get for not being here everyday?

Psssst. Send me the link. Especially if there are pics of the color variations...



No offense Feb, but i find your Lumia fetish disturbing... o.O XD



And i find YOUR lack o0f faith disturbing!



... huh? Lumia's not (a) God... <_< (Plus I meant the other girl, not February. X3)

mizukage
Oct 4, 2007, 01:03 AM
On 2007-10-02 05:15, Typheros wrote:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/824/824032/phantasy-star-universe-ambition-of-the-illuminus-20071001110126510.jpg

Oh shit.

Oh SHIT.



I believe that planet in the explosion is Ragol, but can anybody confirm it? It also has similar appearances as Moatoob or the Sun due to the lava-like planet surface.

ErtaiClou
Oct 4, 2007, 02:50 PM
On 2007-10-02 07:13, Shinou wrote:

On 2007-10-02 06:51, EspioKaos wrote:
GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/phantasystaruniverseilluminasnoyabou/images.html?sid=6180169&om_act=convert&om_clk=newlyadded&tag=newlyadded%3Btitle%3B1&page=1) updated their site with a ton of new images, too. Many of them are duplicates of IGN's, but still...

Anyway, we know that in Episode 3 our characters will be given choices which will directly affect the lives of various characters throughout the story, even putting some of them at risk of death. Looks like our first choice is...

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=935448&img=139

...whether or not you let Lumia come with you on your first mission with Maya. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I wonder how the story would work out if you don't let Lumia go with you? I imagine she'd find a way to persuade you, or she'd end up going by herself.



Then Ethan would be pissed at you! And...of course try to take your head off.

I'm gonna venture to say Ethan makes his appearance in the mission because of Lumias presence. I agree that it will probably loop it to force you to take Lumia with you, despite our better judgement.

Kylie
Oct 4, 2007, 02:54 PM
Very nice find.

Garnet_Moon
Oct 4, 2007, 03:08 PM
Alternate universe for the path each player takes. ST has already chosen the ending that we'll get. We just have to wait and see how the online story mode works out and what they do with it.

WORLD BREAKER EVENT

Choose the planet you wish to save, and run as many missions as you can on that planet. At the end of the event, the planet with the least support and missions run will blow up and all chars left logged out there will die.

Good bye Moatoob.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Garnet_Moon on 2007-10-04 13:09 ]</font>

F-Gattaca
Oct 4, 2007, 03:11 PM
On 2007-10-04 13:08, Garnet_Moon wrote:
WORLD BREAKER EVENT

Choose the planet you wish to save, and run as many missions as you can on that planet. At the end of the event, one of the missions and all chars left logged out there, die.

Hello Parum and Neudaiz, good bye Moatoob.

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Either that, or everyone on that planet boards Pioneer 2 and trucks it to Ragol!

*ducks a couple thousand bricks*

Otis_Kat
Oct 4, 2007, 03:21 PM
On 2007-10-02 03:58, Dj_SkyEpic wrote:
It's so easy to tell that the new guy to be Olsan Waber. That family all has an orange shade of hair >.>

So what now? Olsan Waber is Darth Vader and Hozer Emperor Whateverhisnamewas?


Edit* http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

Super Edit* I don't know if this was brought up, but maybe the exploding planet from the sun is actually Ryucross(?) emerging?

Mega Edit* Spoiler Tabs


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Otis_Kat on 2007-10-04 13:27 ]</font>

Powder Keg
Oct 4, 2007, 10:17 PM
I was never into this story, it's an online game with a rather weak story compared to other games. I think I'd be more concerned with the ending of Super Mario Galaxy being spoiled for me.

EJ
Oct 5, 2007, 03:59 AM
On 2007-10-04 20:17, Artea wrote:
I was never into this story, it's an online game with a rather weak story compared to other games. I think I'd be more concerned with the ending of Super Mario Galaxy being spoiled for me.


that easy Mario wins Bowser loses!