Male Newamn AoI WT Stats? (Lv 100/ 10 & 15)

[Hero-Break]

As the title says, anyone got the stats for a AoI lv 100 Male Newman WT with type lv 10 & 15? Thank You for those who post.

[HFlowen]

100/10

HP: 2353
ATP: 836
ATA: 286
TP: 1322
DFP: 198
EVP: 553
MST: 441
STA: 10

100/15

HP: 2535
ATP: 911
ATA: 329
TP: 1440
DFP: 214
EVP: 588
MST: 475
STA: 10

[Remedy]

On 2007-10-27 19:50, HFlowen wrote:
TP: 1440That's more than I have at 85/10 FT. What the fuck.

[HFlowen]

Increased base stats and an improved TP modifier.

[HFlowen]

A newman male 100.15 Fortetech has 1817 TP if it makes you feel any better.

[buzyb77]

On 2007-10-27 20:00, HFlowen wrote:
A newman male 100.15 Fortetech has 1817 TP if it makes you feel any better.



Not really unless I 2k evasion to go with it. and 200DEF

[HFlowen]

113 defense and 692 evasion.

[Rizen]

Geez, complaining about FT in everything is kinda annoying now.

[Hath_Wrobo]

if you don't mind, can you post the same stats for a Male Cast Guntecher, if there is any way of course.

[Hero-Break]

Hmm, could you compare those stats to a Male Newman AT same lv at 15?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Hero-Break on 2007-10-27 20:08 ]</font>

[HFlowen]

On 2007-10-27 20:07, Hero-Break wrote:
Hmm, could you compare those stats to a Male Newman AT same lv at 15?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Hero-Break on 2007-10-27 20:08 ]</font>
Male newman acrotecher 100/15

HP: 2039
ATP: 768
ATA: 522
TP: 1581
DFP: 173
EVP: 739
MST: 627
STA: 10

[Remedy]

On 2007-10-27 20:00, HFlowen wrote:
A newman male 100.15 Fortetech has 1817 TP if it makes you feel any better.And females?

That's still way too damn small of a gap. =/ Fucking ST making Fortechers pointless.

[Rizen]

Fortetechers still have the highest TP, Attack Techs, PP recovery, and cost reduction and the use of exclusive use of Rods, yet they are still pointless. Im guessing because they don't 40 support?

[HFlowen]

On 2007-10-27 20:07, Hath_Wrobo wrote:
if you don't mind, can you post the same stats for a Male Cast Guntecher, if there is any way of course.

male cast guntech 100/15

HP: 2256
ATP: 923
ATA: 634
TP: 583
DFP: 192
EVP: 283
MST: 143
STA: 12

[HFlowen]

On 2007-10-27 20:11, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-10-27 20:00, HFlowen wrote:
A newman male 100.15 Fortetech has 1817 TP if it makes you feel any better.And females?

That's still way too damn small of a gap. =/ Fucking ST making Fortechers pointless.

Female newmn FT 100/15 has 1863 tp.

400 more tp isn't enough? The hell? After level 40 tech modifiers and element that's a god damned HUGE gap.

[DonRoyale]

Better idea.

Provide the link to where you're getting this information from, could you please? >.>

[Hero-Break]

On 2007-10-27 20:11, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-10-27 20:00, HFlowen wrote:
A newman male 100.15 Fortetech has 1817 TP if it makes you feel any better.And females?

That's still way too damn small of a gap. =/ Fucking ST making Fortechers pointless.



Don't forget that FT's get lv 40 techs which get around 3-4% increase per level from 31-40 I belive. Also Longer Range, more AoE, higher status effects on certain techs, 12% boost on a Rod (Made more usefull since the elemental fourmula changed), and access to the higest TP weapons.

[HFlowen]

On 2007-10-27 20:19, DonRoyale wrote:
Better idea.

Provide the link to where you're getting this information from, could you please? >.>

Sou's stat calculator, like everyone's been using.

http://www.amesani.org/psu/pubbeta/


EDIT: also double checking with psu-wiki: http://psu.fei-yen.jp/wiki/html/


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[Hath_Wrobo]

On 2007-10-27 20:14, HFlowen wrote:

On 2007-10-27 20:07, Hath_Wrobo wrote:
if you don't mind, can you post the same stats for a Male Cast Guntecher, if there is any way of course.

male cast guntech 100/15

HP: 2256
ATP: 923
ATA: 634
TP: 583
DFP: 192
EVP: 283
MST: 143
STA: 12



Nice, thanks, I appreciate it.

[mvffin]

support is not everything people. i'm sure after aoi hits there will still be parties that are happy to have my WTs free agtaride handouts.

[Rizen]

On 2007-10-27 20:19, Hero-Break wrote:

Don't forget that FT's get lv 40 techs which get around 3-4% increase per level from 31-40 I belive. Also Longer Range, more AoE, higher status effects on certain techs, 12% boost on a Rod (Made more usefull since the elemental fourmula changed), and access to the higest TP weapons.


Remedy's logic here is that 40 attack tech is pointless and that a techers job is to support rather than nuke. And because techers don't get 1000+ more TP than everyone else and cant use Rods with 40 support, they are pointless.

[Dragwind]

Those stats look pretty sweet for a newman WT.

[Hero-Break]

@ Rizen, I never wanted to say what FTs where ment for, just that that they wil have a sgnificant tech range and damage advantage over WTs is all.

[Rizen]

I know Hero, just explaining since you quoting that post.

[Remedy]

On 2007-10-27 20:32, Hero-Break wrote:
@ Rizen, I never wanted to say what FTs where ment for, just that that they wil have a sgnificant tech range and damage advantage over WTs is all.Except that on the whole, WTs will still do more damage than us because they have access to competent melee as well.

As it stands today, Fortechers' power is in their support, as our damage is atrocious compared to meleers. Take away our support and you have a class whose only benefit is lagging people's computers and causing seizures.


On 2007-10-27 20:24, Rizen wrote:
Remedy's logic here is that 40 attack tech is pointless and that a techers job is to support rather than nuke. And because techers don't get 1000+ more TP than everyone else and cant use Rods with 40 support, they are pointless.Level 40 Attack techs ARE pointless when tech damage is such a far cry from the damage that melee puts out. Where the fuck is a Fortecher's Majarra? A Fortecher's Jabroga? A Fortecher's Spinning Strike or Absolute Dance? Our TP is high, sure, but our modifiers suck! Our survivability blows, on top of that. Rods are, statistically, inferiour to a Madoog and Wand combo - the only reason I use them is for their look and the utility of four slots which is obtained by a Wand and Madoog!

There is nothing. NO PREVAILING REASON to stay a Fortecher. We're outclassed in damage, outclassed in support, and outclassed in survivability. We are a class that, much like the FOnewearl before is, is snobbed by Sega and Sonic Team at every turn. Regardless of whatever the fuck anyone will say, statistically, we are one of the worst classes in the game. Period.

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[Ffuzzy-Logik]

We get it, they fucked over fT.

But face it, there are only two reasons people ever wanted an fT anyway:

1. Support
2. Robots (pre-Killer Shorts)

[Xaeris]

God damn, I've never seen someone so intent on making themselves miserable. Fine, fTs got screwed, whatever. Could we hurry up to the part where you make your peace with it and shut the bloody hell up already?

[Siege]

Are there any sites that have this information in english? I've tried translating it but still can't seem to find what i'm looking for.

[Siege]

nvm, I figured it out. Used the wrong translator...

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-10-28 01:52, Siege wrote:
Are there any sites that have this information in english? I've tried translating it but still can't seem to find what i'm looking for.

As long as you know the order of the stats, Amesani still works fine.

But yeah, no, not yet.

[thunder-ray]

first off i dont agree with what u just posted cuz forteteachers own to be honest with. when u look at the tech dmg that they do against monsters they make hunters atp look like shit i saw a ft with a lvl 30 diga do like 1800 dmg on one monster. Secound every class has a useful purpose sure warteacher is getting done better now cuz of the increases on the stats but think about how bad of a class it is now. yeah we have melee but we can only use lvl 20 skills and techs thats why sega choose to make it better but thats not to say being a forteteacher sucks now cuz warteacher is getting upgraded. im sure sega will do something good for forteteacher in time i think right now there just trying to get aoi started first so they can do their upgrades on classes slowly. You never no they might even create new weapons that only certain classes can use.

[Randomness]

The problem with techs is the warmup time. By the time you get one diga off, I can pull a Dus Majjera 20 and dish out double that.

[Gamemako]

On 2007-10-27 19:50, HFlowen wrote:
100/10

HP: 2353
ATP: 836
ATA: 286
TP: 1322
DFP: 198
EVP: 553
MST: 441
STA: 10

100/15

HP: 2535
ATP: 911
ATA: 329
TP: 1440
DFP: 214
EVP: 588
MST: 475
STA: 10



Er, PSU JP Wiki says 100 newman female WT15 has

2575
912
356
1551
235
682
542
12

As such, I'd say that you're missing the 3% boost.

Data isn't on there for male yet.

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[Remedy]

On 2007-10-27 23:57, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
We get it, they fucked over fT.

But face it, there are only two reasons people ever wanted an fT anyway:

1. Support
2. Robots (pre-Killer Shorts)Right. Acrotechers are invalidating reason one, and as you said, Killer Shot invalidated reason two.

This is why I'm grudgingly giving up my love of the Psycho Wand and taking up the mantle and Mags of an Acrotecher when the expansion rolls around.

I'll still make my Psycho Wands for when I feel like being useless and being a Fortecher, but it's still very depressing that I have to choose between being useful and using a weapon I love so dearly.

[Broodstar1337]

The problem with fT's being useless on the battlefield outside of support is that I really don't give a flying fuck how useless you think I am. I play MY way, period and dot.

[omegapirate2k]

Quite cool, my human wartecher (According to the calculator, don't know how bonuses factor into the calculation) is quite comparable to my beast fighgunner, both at level 100/15.

[Scline]

Wow.. First all I read about on the future updates map is people complaining about the rumored new "Master" types, and how the mixed classes will be at a disadvantage..

Kinda ironic how it's completely the opposite right now.. But then again, those types haven't been brought up in this thread..

Anyway, I honestly think fT's are useful, I remember when I first started playing PSU with a friend of mine, we were both level 1 and he did 35-40 more damage than me, comparing Force to Hunter, Fortetechers are way stronger than Forces, and just because they don't have a thousand more TP than Wartechers, all Fortetechers consider themselves useless? Nonsense. But while we're on the subject, here.

Human Male Acrofighter 100/15
HP 2638
ATP 1117
ATA 474
TP 1524
DFP 270
EVP 783
MST 237
STA 12

Human Male Fortefighter 100/15
HP 2793
ATP 1333
ATA 355
TP 300
DFP 275
EVP 155
MST 156
STA 10

Sure, Fortefighters are still good at what they're meant to be used for.. Health, ATP.. Low TP is understandable, It's a melee class... However, that's a HUGE EVP difference there.. Oh no, Fortefighters are completely useless now, It's much better to go Acrofighter..

Now, I'm not including PA levels, because it doesn't really matter to me.. I'll be a Fortefighter, even if it's completely useless.


And to stay on topic

Wartecher looks pretty good, althought I still refuse to go WT. =X

Also, sorry for the large post.

[Remedy]

On 2007-10-28 09:24, Scline wrote:
Anyway, I honestly think fT's are useful, I remember when I first started playing PSU with a friend of mine, we were both level 1 and he did 35-40 more damage than me, comparing Force to Hunter, Fortetechers are way stronger than Forces, and just because they don't have a thousand more TP than Wartechers, all Fortetechers consider themselves useless? Nonsense.I'm going to be very blunt and precise now, since no one sees my point.

Fortefighters in the current mission on Neudaiz are doing something to the tune of 900-1500 damage with Dus Majarra, more with the final blowaway shot. They can do , oh, about 7 hits a combo to a mob, and a combo takes maybe 8-9 seconds? In that span of time, I execute three Gi- technics. These do on the order of 280-400 damage, depending on the mob (more to Ageeta, less to Olghomon). Which would you rather have, someone fragile that can do an average of 350 a hit, or someone durable that can deal 1000+ a hit?

You take the fragile person, now, because she buffs your stats by 20%, and if she has any skill at all, she also debuffs your enemy's stats by 20%. Now, imagine for a moment, that someone exists who is LESS fragile, can buff and debuff for 5% more, and can do as much, if not more, damage with a combination of melee and technics.

Which do you take? Because if you answer the first (the Fortecher), you're lying to yourself. You take the latter (the Acrotecher), because she brings far more to the table.

[Scline]

I take the first, because I self buff and no one ever debuffs anyways.

[Remedy]

On 2007-10-28 09:41, Scline wrote:
I take the first, because I self buff and no one ever debuffs anyways.Again, as I said, skilled Fortechers who put their party first debuff. And why the hell would you take the first? Like I said, the second does more damage, lives longer, and is more useful (better buffs, better debuffs, better heals) than the first.

So basically, you weaken your party to prove a point. Congratulations?

[Sekani]

On 2007-10-28 09:34, Remedy wrote:
Which do you take? Because if you answer the first (the Fortecher), you're lying to yourself. You take the latter (the Acrotecher), because she brings far more to the table.


I take the one that isn't being a whiny little bitch. I have more fun that way.

[Ryna]

Since the OP's request has been fulfilled and the thread has gone off-topic, I am going to lock it.