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mizukage
Oct 30, 2007, 03:23 PM
New PMs

Hippo-chan (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m227/Voidox/hippochan.jpg) (currently unavailable)
Shota-kun (http://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_02_large.jpg)
Creepy Butler (http://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_03_large.jpg)

Original PMs

Original PMs (http://psu.fei-yen.jp/wiki/attach/44422FA5D1A1BCA5C8A5CAA1BCA5DEA5B7A5CAA5EAA1BC_6D6 16368696E6572795F747265655F6F66662E6A7067)
GH-30x (http://psupedia.info/Image:305-307.jpg) (currently unavailable)
GH-41x (http://psupedia.info/Image:411-414.jpg)
GH-42x (http://psupedia.info/Image:421-424.jpg)
GH-43x (http://psupedia.info/Image:431-434.jpg)
GH-44x (http://psupedia.info/Image:441-444.jpg)
GH-45x (http://psupedia.info/Image:451-454.jpg)
GH-46x (http://psupedia.info/Image:461-465.jpg) (currently unavailable)

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Chuck_Norris
Oct 30, 2007, 03:26 PM
I can have the sexy cowgirl beast as a PM? AWESOME!

Kylie
Oct 30, 2007, 03:30 PM
I would like the stuffed animal (first time seeing it), but it's not what I expected. Little butler... no; little man... HELL no. Erm, so I'll just stick with what I know and say the 440 series because it has a nice balance between healing and fighting. Though I am fond of 451 because it's basically a tiny version of myself, and I like myself all right. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif In other news... what's with some of those outfits? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif The second one looks like a sorceress on FFVIII.

I kind of like the third one...



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Remedy
Oct 30, 2007, 03:31 PM
452 for the win, baby. <3

VanHalen
Oct 30, 2007, 03:33 PM
430 series, all of them. My favorites would be the 430, 432, and 433.

Kion
Oct 30, 2007, 03:34 PM
i'll stick with my loli's.

Lunasol8888
Oct 30, 2007, 03:42 PM
430 Whee!!! I just love her little sayings.

Krisan
Oct 30, 2007, 03:51 PM
I find it funny how a lot of people seem disturbed by the "little boy" PM's, yet I don't think I've ever heard a single complaint or seen a single twitch over the current "little girl" PM's.. Now I wonder why that is..

Oh well, between the choices of a really ugly looking Butler, a funky stuffed animal, or a boy PM.. I go with the one that looks the coolest, the boy PM. (I might have voted Butler if they had given him a human shape, though..)

-Ryuki-
Oct 30, 2007, 04:13 PM
The new PM's don't look THAT great.. I'll stick to my 440 series.

Kylie
Oct 30, 2007, 04:13 PM
On 2007-10-30 13:51, Krisan wrote:
I find it funny how a lot of people seem disturbed by the "little boy" PM's, yet I don't think I've ever heard a single complaint or seen a single twitch over the current "little girl" PM's.. Now I wonder why that is..


Well, to me, the female partner machineries look more like little women than little girls, and they aren't dressed too inappropriately. Except for the 420's cleavage, which I don't see as much of a crime. Whereas the boy partner machinery is simply a little boy in short shorts, so that turns me off a bit about it.

-Xios-
Oct 30, 2007, 04:24 PM
they all look stupid, they need to add some male ones that look half decent. I'm tired of all this girl stuff.

mariwan
Oct 30, 2007, 05:41 PM
I prefer male PMs, dont really care if they end up being near naked as long as there are some to even out the girl PMs. Id take the brat with shorts than little girls who look like maids(btw theres nothing wrong with boys in shorts, reminds of me of different anime about little boys fighting evil >.>;).

Gryffin
Oct 30, 2007, 05:49 PM
Well, we can bet there will be other boys... And hopefully stuffed animals. But NOT more creepy butlers.

But yeh, we have 5 girl base models (6, but I'm not counting the last evil unreleased one) so, maybe there'll be 5 boys as well? I can hope! D:

Rashiid
Oct 30, 2007, 06:20 PM
i want tha stuffed one!

idk why!

ThEoRy
Oct 30, 2007, 06:42 PM
GH 452 FTW please Alex!

Ryna
Oct 30, 2007, 06:46 PM
On 2007-10-30 13:23, mizukage wrote:
New PM Types (http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8275/illuminusnpcsqx9.jpg)


These are all NPCs that you will see in future missions. They shouldn't be PMs that you will normally be able to raise.

Umberger
Oct 30, 2007, 06:47 PM
I'm keeping mine a 454...I never bring it on missions (prefer Tonnio and Leo, since I'm already a Fortetecher...).

Kinako78
Oct 30, 2007, 06:55 PM
Sticking with 451 for my main.

On a side note, Laia looks awesome in that outfit!

mizukage
Oct 30, 2007, 07:17 PM
On 2007-10-30 16:46, Ryna wrote:
These are all NPCs that you will see in future missions. They shouldn't be PMs that you will normally be able to raise.



I know.. Its just.. I forgot to mention that other than the 3 on the right side, the rest are just future NPCs. I thought most people would be able to tell the differences between future NPCs and new PMs. Sorry for the misunderstanding though!


On 2007-10-30 13:26, chuck_norris wrote:
I can have the sexy cowgirl beast as a PM? AWESOME!



http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

The only new PM types are the 3 on the right..

Ryna
Oct 30, 2007, 07:18 PM
On 2007-10-30 17:17, mizukage wrote:

On 2007-10-30 16:46, Ryna wrote:
These are all NPCs that you will see in future missions. They shouldn't be PMs that you will normally be able to raise.



I know.. Its just.. I forgot to mention that other than the 3 on the right side, the rest are just future NPCs. I thought most people would be able to tell the differences between future NPCs and new PMs. Sorry for the misunderstanding though!


Those three "PMs" you see on the right side are NPCs.

Rashiid
Oct 30, 2007, 07:22 PM
tha butler is a PM - we have picures of it, remember?

mizukage
Oct 30, 2007, 07:33 PM
On 2007-10-30 17:18, Ryna wrote:

On 2007-10-30 13:23, mizukage wrote:
There are 3 new types of partner machinery, which one of them is your favorite one???

New PM Types (http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8275/illuminusnpcsqx9.jpg)

Those three "PMs" you see on the right side are NPCs.



Are you sure???

I am very sure that the 3 on the right are actually new PM types and are not NPCs, unless you consider PMs as NPCs in the first place. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Ryna
Oct 30, 2007, 07:40 PM
On 2007-10-30 17:33, mizukage wrote:
Are you sure???

I am very sure that the 3 on the right are actually new PM types and are not NPCs, unless you consider PMs as NPCs in the first place. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


Yes, I am sure. Based on the hex code lists I've seen, the skin codes for those three characters lies right in the middle of the NPC range. Standard Partner Machinery uses a different address range.

mizukage
Oct 30, 2007, 07:48 PM
On 2007-10-30 17:40, Ryna wrote:

On 2007-10-30 17:33, mizukage wrote:
Are you sure???

I am very sure that the 3 on the right are actually new PM types and are not NPCs, unless you consider PMs as NPCs in the first place. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


Yes, I am sure. Based on the hex code lists I've seen, the skin codes for those three characters lies right in the middle of the NPC range. Standard Partner Machinery uses a different address range.



Due to your level of confidence, I will trust your belief on this one, but...

Butler & Shota (http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/EspioKaos/image00002544.jpg?t=1193791623)

Rashiid
Oct 30, 2007, 07:49 PM
yeah tha background sure does look like a room Ryna....

Ryna
Oct 30, 2007, 07:52 PM
On 2007-10-30 17:49, Rashiid wrote:
yeah tha background sure does look like a room Ryna....


We shall see then. The game data seems to suggest otherwise.

Dragwind
Oct 30, 2007, 08:46 PM
Creepy butlers with machineguns ftw! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Noblewine
Oct 30, 2007, 09:21 PM
PM series 301 or 302.

Gryffin
Oct 30, 2007, 10:24 PM
I'm siding with Ryna D:

Butler is too creepy, and shota is too...well.. slutty to be shota D:

TranceZiggy
Oct 30, 2007, 10:31 PM
On 2007-10-30 13:33, VanHalen wrote:
430 series, all of them. My favorites would be the 430, 432, and 433.



A'men.

Krisan
Oct 30, 2007, 10:38 PM
On 2007-10-30 14:13, Kylie wrote:

On 2007-10-30 13:51, Krisan wrote:
I find it funny how a lot of people seem disturbed by the "little boy" PM's, yet I don't think I've ever heard a single complaint or seen a single twitch over the current "little girl" PM's.. Now I wonder why that is..


Well, to me, the female partner machineries look more like little women than little girls, and they aren't dressed too inappropriately. Except for the 420's cleavage, which I don't see as much of a crime. Whereas the boy partner machinery is simply a little boy in short shorts, so that turns me off a bit about it.


And how would you suggest making the male PM's look more adult? Put beards on them? =P

Truth is, you said it yourself, one line of the female PM's have their cleavage showing, so the male PM's in short shorts isn't really stretching it any further.. Cute Guys and Cute Gals are all it boils down to really. (Though, what I said wasn't directed specifically at you by the by, more of a general comment at everyone who goes "ew" at the new male line of PM's..) Truth be told, everyone referred to the female PM's as Loli from day one anyway.. and no one had a problem with them. Soon as someone spotted the male PM's though, and tagged it Shota, people started bellying over in disgust.. =P

I just find it silly really.. Even with your argument (which is probably the most sensible I've heard on the issue) I don't see what you could do to make it look much more adult.. other than adding something like facial hair like I mentioned above, but I think they were going for a more "clean cut" look on the PM, rather than go all "manly" with them. (The female PM series is clean cut too, so I actually prefer seeing the male line the same way.. though thinking about it, a burly guy PM would be kinda cool as well..)

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mizukage
Oct 30, 2007, 11:19 PM
On 2007-10-30 17:52, Ryna wrote:

On 2007-10-30 17:49, Rashiid wrote:
yeah tha background sure does look like a room Ryna....


We shall see then. The game data seems to suggest otherwise.



I found some newer data.

AotI (http://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/about/myroom.html)

http://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_01.jpghttp://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_02.jpghttp://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_03.jpg

landman
Oct 31, 2007, 03:40 AM
Well, Pete is a NPC isn't it? maybe there is different data for both NPC and PM

It's the first time I the the "stuffed" one... it's horrible http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif it reminds me of the MVP Yukichan team from virtua striker xD

Plus Laia and Rutsu in new outfits, and the SEED girl from Phantom of Arkguard... interesting

Rizen
Oct 31, 2007, 06:56 AM
On 2007-10-30 21:19, mizukage wrote:
I found some newer data.

AotI (http://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/about/myroom.html)

http://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_01.jpghttp://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_02.jpghttp://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_03.jpg


I think what Ryna meant was the other NPCs in the picture besides the 3 on the right. It could have easily been misleading to say New PM Types and show the whole picture. Some people could have believe that you meant the whole picture were PM Types (although with some common sense they could rule out most of the NPCs)and not just the 3 on the far right.

Just trying to clear things up. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Rashiid
Oct 31, 2007, 07:46 AM
On 2007-10-31 04:56, Rizen wrote:

On 2007-10-30 21:19, mizukage wrote:
I found some newer data.

AotI (http://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/about/myroom.html)

http://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_01.jpghttp://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_02.jpghttp://illuminus.phantasystaruniverse.jp/image/about/myroom/ss_pm_03.jpg


I think what Ryna meant was the other NPCs in the picture besides the 3 on the right. It could have easily been misleading to say New PM Types and show the whole picture. Some people could have believe that you meant the whole picture were PM Types (although with some common sense they could rule out most of the NPCs)and not just the 3 on the far right.

Just trying to clear things up. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



He said that the hex coding said that all of them were NPCs, and PMs use different hex coding.

maybe its b/c technically they are 'NPCs' in combat,so the hex coding was just used as npc hex coding

Bremmon
Oct 31, 2007, 09:25 AM
Is the poll based on appearance (seems that is what people are commenting on the most) or functionality (hardly anyone seems to be commenting on why their choice is preferred from a funtional standpoint)?

BlackHat
Oct 31, 2007, 11:06 AM
On 2007-10-31 05:46, Rashiid wrote:
He said that the hex coding said that all of them were NPCs, and PMs use different hex coding.

maybe its b/c technically they are 'NPCs' in combat,so the hex coding was just used as npc hex coding



They are treated as NPC's during combat, So I wouldn't see why they wouldn't be relatively close to the same values as the other NPC's.

I haven't seen the hex or else I'd gladly put in my stand point.

Iduno
Oct 31, 2007, 04:15 PM
On 2007-10-30 20:38, Krisan wrote:

On 2007-10-30 14:13, Kylie wrote:

On 2007-10-30 13:51, Krisan wrote:
I find it funny how a lot of people seem disturbed by the "little boy" PM's, yet I don't think I've ever heard a single complaint or seen a single twitch over the current "little girl" PM's.. Now I wonder why that is..


Well, to me, the female partner machineries look more like little women than little girls, and they aren't dressed too inappropriately. Except for the 420's cleavage, which I don't see as much of a crime. Whereas the boy partner machinery is simply a little boy in short shorts, so that turns me off a bit about it.


And how would you suggest making the male PM's look more adult? Put beards on them? =P

Truth is, you said it yourself, one line of the female PM's have their cleavage showing, so the male PM's in short shorts isn't really stretching it any further.. Cute Guys and Cute Gals are all it boils down to really. (Though, what I said wasn't directed specifically at you by the by, more of a general comment at everyone who goes "ew" at the new male line of PM's..) Truth be told, everyone referred to the female PM's as Loli from day one anyway.. and no one had a problem with them. Soon as someone spotted the male PM's though, and tagged it Shota, people started bellying over in disgust.. =P

I just find it silly really.. Even with your argument (which is probably the most sensible I've heard on the issue) I don't see what you could do to make it look much more adult.. other than adding something like facial hair like I mentioned above, but I think they were going for a more "clean cut" look on the PM, rather than go all "manly" with them. (The female PM series is clean cut too, so I actually prefer seeing the male line the same way.. though thinking about it, a burly guy PM would be kinda cool as well..)

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this is probably a noob question and is only vaguely related to the topic but what does loli actualy mean (I've only ever seen the word used here and dont want to google it in case it comes up with something dodgy)

Maelixius
Oct 31, 2007, 04:39 PM
"Loli" means, sexy underaged girl.

Midicronica
Oct 31, 2007, 04:50 PM
430, yo.

Iduno
Oct 31, 2007, 04:53 PM
On 2007-10-31 14:39, Maelixius wrote:
"Loli" means, sexy underaged girl.


k ty (glad I didn't google it now http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)

RadiantLegend
Oct 31, 2007, 04:54 PM
Gimme 420 series.

Kismet
Oct 31, 2007, 07:21 PM
I can NOT understand this! Why is 450 leading the poll?!?!

The 450 line is powerful, yes, but it's AI isn't great... (Although the 440 line has the worst AI out of ALL the lines.) I would think that the 410 and 430 lines had the best AI... Or are people just voting by what PMs attack the best...? <_<

Rashiid
Oct 31, 2007, 07:28 PM
On 2007-10-31 14:53, Iduno wrote:

On 2007-10-31 14:39, Maelixius wrote:
"Loli" means, sexy underaged girl.


k ty (glad I didn't google it now http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif)



trust me: dont google search it...somehow my 'safe search' was turned off, and i got some interesting pictures....

Guildenstern
Oct 31, 2007, 07:33 PM
Shota PM!

He's cute, even if I do wish his shorts were longer.

Anduril
Oct 31, 2007, 07:43 PM
Look! It's Rozenstern, or is it Guildencratz?
But Bill Shakespeare/Tom Stoppard joking aside,
I prefer the 450 line. I just like my little Ice Queen so much I could never stand changing her into a little boy, old man, or stuffed animal.

Edit: And as a Response to the Line in the post below my own, I submit for your approval the Best dying line ever:

Polonius: I am Slain!

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BlackHat
Oct 31, 2007, 07:52 PM
Thus conscience
does make cowards of us all...
and thus the native hue of resolution...
is sicklied over
with the pale cast of thought...
and enterprises of great pitch
and moment...
with this regard their currents turn awry...
and lose the name of action.


Doesn't have to do with the topic, but i figured I'd post that anyway.

I like the 430.



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omegapirate2k
Oct 31, 2007, 08:39 PM
I'm waiting to see if theres any actual cool looking male PM's before I make my choice.

mizukage
Oct 31, 2007, 09:20 PM
On 2007-10-31 18:39, omegapirate2k wrote:
I'm waiting to see if theres any actual cool looking male PM's before I make my choice.



That was what I had expected, but considering the results.. I doubt this idea of having cool male PMs would ever occur. Instead, why don't you get a stuffed animal PM, hippo-chan!!! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


On 2007-10-31 17:21, Kismet wrote:
I can NOT understand this! Why is 450 leading the poll?!?!

The 450 line is powerful, yes, but it's AI isn't great... (Although the 440 line has the worst AI out of ALL the lines.) I would think that the 410 and 430 lines had the best AI... Or are people just voting by what PMs attack the best...? <_<



I never have a 450 before, but based on the poll.. I plan on creating a new character in AOI with a 450 PM. There must be a good reason why so many people like the 450 series!!!

Maelixius
Nov 1, 2007, 04:44 AM
Well, first of all, it uses high rank Rods, it deals strong magical damage and it can heal, so why not?

Remedy
Nov 1, 2007, 05:08 AM
On 2007-10-31 17:21, Kismet wrote:
I can NOT understand this! Why is 450 leading the poll?!?!Dedicated healer partner = winrar.

Iduno
Nov 1, 2007, 01:08 PM
sounds good but I don't think I could ever trust a pm to heal me in time and would always do it myself 1st so I'm sticking with my 410 (cant remember number at end has glasses and uses a ice sword)

landman
Nov 1, 2007, 01:47 PM
I have a basic 450 in my Fortefighter/Protranser and she heals ME a lot, and her battle lvl isn't too high, I think she's just perfect for characters who can take a lot of damage without dying, she is just a constant Trimate on me.

My 444 really sucks, I only have her for her Morrigan wings xD and she is on my 4th character so I don't expect great success in combat with her lol

430 series are good for gunners, you just have to approach her when she is healing herself, in case you were hit before.

Kismet
Nov 1, 2007, 03:21 PM
On 2007-11-01 03:08, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-10-31 17:21, Kismet wrote:
I can NOT understand this! Why is 450 leading the poll?!?!Dedicated healer partner = winrar.



My 432 heals me dedicatedly... enough. ;; *snuggles Rizumi* (Although if/when we get 460s in AoI, I'm changin' her.)



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mizukage
Nov 1, 2007, 10:16 PM
On 2007-11-01 11:08, Iduno wrote:
sounds good but I don't think I could ever trust a pm to heal me in time and would always do it myself 1st so I'm sticking with my 410 (cant remember number at end has glasses and uses a ice sword)



The 410 is good too.. Accidentally, I ended up with a 420, which is fairly good. In fact, it does more damage than any other NPCs.

When I first played the game, I had the wrong idea that by feeding it with equivalent abilities, it will become stronger in all fields. Thus, my GH 420 has 25 Strk, 25 Rng, 25 Tech, and 25 Armr. Now... The problem begins with the synthesis. The crappy 46% successful rates cannot be altered in any way. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

mizukage
Nov 1, 2007, 10:46 PM
On 2007-10-30 16:46, Ryna wrote:

On 2007-10-30 13:23, mizukage wrote:
New PM Types (http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8275/illuminusnpcsqx9.jpg)


These are all NPCs that you will see in future missions. They shouldn't be PMs that you will normally be able to raise.



The OP is now fully updated. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

SandstormX
Nov 2, 2007, 02:14 AM
I'm actually liking the Shota. What I want to know is, What abilities/weapons will the Shota use? Anyone know?

Miyuki-chan
Nov 6, 2007, 09:48 AM
I'm sticking with my GH423. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Originally I had planned to make her a 10Str/90Armour type, but ended up going 10Str/20Rng/50Armour since I don't use her to synth things anyway. I'm very happy with my 423, she actually seems to have a brain in combat (most of the time).
I still don't understand why the AI for the PMs doesn't include the "run away if a De Ragan is breathing on you" statement... lol

*Points at "Shota" PM*
"Hey MJ, Hey Father xxxxx! Look over there!"
*Hides in the corner...*
"I'm soooo going to hell for this!"

>.>

mizukage
Nov 6, 2007, 12:28 PM
My new partner machine is a GH 450 and her melee weapon synths are problematic. Nothing goes above 75% and the successful rates are crappy too. I was synthing this A-rank spear board at 78% success rate and it turned into Koltova Juice. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif