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Wallin
Nov 2, 2007, 06:25 PM
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but what's up with the 1-Up representatives - even the big guy, James Mielke... not one of them are Newman? We had Human (Sam), Cast (Garnett), Beast (Alice), then Human (forgot his name already, LOL) and Human (James)... what's up with that? Even the Rappy Feather exchange guy was a Cast. I'm assuming from her headphone size that even Hal is Human.

No love for the Newman race?

Kinako78
Nov 2, 2007, 06:31 PM
Actually, Hal is a CAST, I believe. But I see your point. Too bad I'm not a rep. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Wallin
Nov 2, 2007, 06:35 PM
I doubt Hal is a Cast because she doesn't have those lines on her face like Lou does, and she has real eyes. I could be mistaken though (I didn't play story mode, I have no idea if she's in there and if this was covered before).

http://www.chibiknights.com/images/pso/PSU/hal.png

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Kinako78
Nov 2, 2007, 06:36 PM
I was going by something that was said in one of the online story missions, but I could have taken it out of context.

Sychosis
Nov 2, 2007, 06:38 PM
I'm glad they aren't. Those guys have terrible taste in clothes. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

ilovetypemoon
Nov 2, 2007, 06:40 PM
I consider Newmans to be lucky. They don't have one of their kind run like a sissy >>

Wallin
Nov 2, 2007, 06:42 PM
The new guy doesn't run like a sissy (or at least he didn't look that way from the side...), but he does run reallllly slowly. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

Turambar
Nov 2, 2007, 06:43 PM
He might not run like a sissy, but he's butt ugly compared to the rest.

Wallin
Nov 2, 2007, 06:45 PM
He's also dressed like a n00b.

Kinako78
Nov 2, 2007, 06:51 PM
On 2007-11-02 16:38, Sychosis wrote:
I'm glad they aren't. Those guys have terrible taste in clothes. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif



I liked Alice's outfit, but her...ahem...chest was rather large for it. The Gojgoj top makes a female char's chest look bigger, anyway.

Elley
Nov 2, 2007, 06:51 PM
Last I heard Sega is trying to phase out newmans. Beasts are taking over.




http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Wallin
Nov 2, 2007, 06:53 PM
On 2007-11-02 16:51, Kinako78 wrote:
I liked Alice's outfit, but her...ahem...chest was rather large for it. The Gojgoj top makes a female char's chest look bigger, anyway.



That's not the same, Alice was a Beast, we were talking about Newmans. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Kinako78
Nov 2, 2007, 07:06 PM
I know that, but Sychosis was also talking about how the existing reps all have bad taste in clothes and I was saying that I felt Alice's wasn't really that bad.

I think I have better fashion sense then all of them, though. XD

Dragwind
Nov 2, 2007, 07:24 PM
Oh well, but yeah. At least they don't have a male one running like a female.

mizukage
Nov 2, 2007, 07:47 PM
On 2007-11-02 16:35, Wallin wrote:
I doubt Hal is a Cast because she doesn't have those lines on her face like Lou does, and she has real eyes. I could be mistaken though (I didn't play story mode, I have no idea if she's in there and if this was covered before).

http://www.chibiknights.com/images/pso/PSU/hal.png



I originally believe Hal was human, but then.. Zorafim once said that NPCs without ears are ought to be CASTs rather than organic entities. Hal doesn't have visible ears, instead she has huge headphones.

Sychosis
Nov 2, 2007, 07:49 PM
On 2007-11-02 17:06, Kinako78 wrote:
I know that, but Sychosis was also talking about how the existing reps all have bad taste in clothes and I was saying that I felt Alice's wasn't really that bad.

I think I have better fashion sense then all of them, though. XD



Meh, blue/light blue/gray + black/gold + brown/white/blue is just not a very good color combination IMO :/

Skuda
Nov 2, 2007, 07:55 PM
On 2007-11-02 17:47, mizukage wrote:

On 2007-11-02 16:35, Wallin wrote:
I doubt Hal is a Cast because she doesn't have those lines on her face like Lou does, and she has real eyes. I could be mistaken though (I didn't play story mode, I have no idea if she's in there and if this was covered before).

http://www.chibiknights.com/images/pso/PSU/hal.png



I originally believe Hal was human, but then.. Zorafim once said that NPCs without ears are ought to be CASTs rather than organic entities. Hal doesn't have visible ears, instead she has huge headphones.



If Hal was a Cast, the other Casts wouldn't hate her so much. I can guarantee you she is human.

Kinako78
Nov 2, 2007, 07:58 PM
On 2007-11-02 17:49, Sychosis wrote:

On 2007-11-02 17:06, Kinako78 wrote:
I know that, but Sychosis was also talking about how the existing reps all have bad taste in clothes and I was saying that I felt Alice's wasn't really that bad.

I think I have better fashion sense then all of them, though. XD



Meh, blue/light blue/gray + black/gold + brown/white/blue is just not a very good color combination IMO :/



That's why I said I still have better fashion sense then all of them, including Alice.

Maelixius
Nov 2, 2007, 08:31 PM
Maybe SEGA messed up the coding and the last guy didn't run like a sissy? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif
Atleast he was lucky.

Zorafim
Nov 2, 2007, 08:54 PM
On 2007-11-02 17:47, mizukage wrote:
Zorafim once said that NPCs without ears are ought to be CASTs rather than organic entities. Hal doesn't have visible ears, instead she has huge headphones.




I said that people with robotic ears are casts, while people with no visible ears should be approached with caution. You can't really see Hal's ears, if she has any, so she falls under that last case.

From other defining features, though, I think she's a human. The eyelashes, for example, are very pronounced. While casts do have eyelashes, they tend not to be so obvious on most members. She's also very energetic, which is something I've only seen in fleshy races (I want to exclude newmen, but, well, Rika...). Her nose is cute, excluding her from the Beast race, and her ears can't fit in those ear muffs, excluding her from the newman race.


So, basically from physical stereotyping and ear analyzing, I'm going to have to assume that Hal is human.

beatrixkiddo
Nov 2, 2007, 09:33 PM
The official website or something says Hal is human.

As for Newmans, they're removing them from the game in the next expansion. Sucks, but the race is useless anyway so nobody will miss them.

Fatima
Nov 2, 2007, 10:51 PM
what do you mean removing them? Like..there will be nomore newman npcs? or that people can no longer choose newman as their race?

Voison
Nov 2, 2007, 10:52 PM
Im mad and Glad that Newmans arnt in it...

Mad because Newmans are the best in my eye. but...

im glad because they dont make them look bad as they did in the 1cup. Thanks. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif lol

beatrixkiddo
Nov 2, 2007, 11:14 PM
On 2007-11-02 20:51, Fatima wrote:
what do you mean removing them? Like..there will be nomore newman npcs? or that people can no longer choose newman as their race?



No more Newmans period. No players, no NPCs.

Alrac
Nov 2, 2007, 11:30 PM
noo hal is a pm device, go look at the ears of your pm and you'll see something familiar. . .

i mean she attack as often as one, carries a weapon i want ( real hand gun), and says stupit thing like "from behind". . . she is deffently a PM device maybe 469 . . .

beatrixkiddo
Nov 2, 2007, 11:31 PM
Mirei says "From behind!", so does Leo. Are they Partner Machinery?

Fatima
Nov 2, 2007, 11:35 PM
On 2007-11-02 21:14, beatrixkiddo wrote:

On 2007-11-02 20:51, Fatima wrote:
what do you mean removing them? Like..there will be nomore newman npcs? or that people can no longer choose newman as their race?



No more Newmans period. No players, no NPCs.



So does that mean people will lose their characters if they have newmans? That can't be right....

Zorafim
Nov 2, 2007, 11:37 PM
They're being replaced with this:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/Zorafin/0427.jpg


Spread the word.

Shiro_Ryuu
Nov 2, 2007, 11:45 PM
I already have two of those, one is a female, the other is a male who doesn't even use techs, but he can easily do something like the above pic.

beatrixkiddo
Nov 2, 2007, 11:50 PM
On 2007-11-02 21:35, Fatima wrote:

On 2007-11-02 21:14, beatrixkiddo wrote:

On 2007-11-02 20:51, Fatima wrote:
what do you mean removing them? Like..there will be nomore newman npcs? or that people can no longer choose newman as their race?



No more Newmans period. No players, no NPCs.



So does that mean people will lose their characters if they have newmans? That can't be right....



They get turned into humans.

Lyric
Nov 3, 2007, 12:21 AM
I call BS. I don't even think there's info on a new expansion yet. Unless you're speaking of Phantom, but I thought that was only story additions.

...if that ever happened it would be really, really lame. Why remove a race?



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Fatima
Nov 3, 2007, 12:26 AM
for real.

Ffuzzy-Logik
Nov 3, 2007, 12:36 AM
Wow.

bahk
Nov 3, 2007, 12:41 AM
I for one support this elfen genocide. That's what they get for leaving Santa's workshop in the first place.

Elley
Nov 3, 2007, 01:09 AM
On 2007-11-02 21:50, beatrixkiddo wrote:

On 2007-11-02 21:35, Fatima wrote:

On 2007-11-02 21:14, beatrixkiddo wrote:

On 2007-11-02 20:51, Fatima wrote:
what do you mean removing them? Like..there will be nomore newman npcs? or that people can no longer choose newman as their race?



No more Newmans period. No players, no NPCs.



So does that mean people will lose their characters if they have newmans? That can't be right....



They get turned into humans.



Yep. This has been confirmed on numerous occasions.

Esufer
Nov 3, 2007, 01:26 AM
Are those planes I hear overhead?

Lyric
Nov 3, 2007, 01:32 AM
Well then where's the pictures? I'll never believe it unless I see it.



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Authenticate
Nov 3, 2007, 01:34 AM
Wasn't there something in story mode about how there was a rumor that Hal wasn't real or wasn't human or something? I always thought she was a cast because of the PM-like ear things.

Fatima
Nov 3, 2007, 01:35 AM
so does that also mean they'll lose their stat differences? That blows, cause if someone made a newman for that very reason (or esthetic) then they get sqaut.

Retehi
Nov 3, 2007, 01:59 AM
Damn, I didn't think people here were that dumb.

CherryLunar
Nov 3, 2007, 02:00 AM
On 2007-11-02 19:33, beatrixkiddo wrote:

As for Newmans, they're removing them from the game in the next expansion. Sucks, but the race is useless anyway so nobody will miss them.



Proof plz. :3

Oh and newmen are just as useless as every other race. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

CherryLunar
Nov 3, 2007, 02:02 AM
On 2007-11-02 23:59, Retehi wrote:
Damn, I didn't think people here were that dumb.



You'd be surprised. XD

Lyric
Nov 3, 2007, 02:03 AM
On 2007-11-02 23:59, Retehi wrote:
Damn, I didn't think people here were that dumb.



Like I said, BS.

Voison
Nov 3, 2007, 02:10 AM
On 2007-11-03 00:00, CherryLunar wrote:

On 2007-11-02 19:33, beatrixkiddo wrote:

As for Newmans, they're removing them from the game in the next expansion. Sucks, but the race is useless anyway so nobody will miss them.



Proof plz. :3

Oh and newmen are just as useless as every other race. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



Newmans are not worthless... -_-

CherryLunar
Nov 3, 2007, 02:11 AM
On 2007-11-03 00:10, -Chronus wrote:

On 2007-11-03 00:00, CherryLunar wrote:

On 2007-11-02 19:33, beatrixkiddo wrote:

As for Newmans, they're removing them from the game in the next expansion. Sucks, but the race is useless anyway so nobody will miss them.



Proof plz. :3

Oh and newmen are just as useless as every other race. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif



Newmans are not worthless... -_-



Re-read what I just said. Theyre just as useles as every other race.

Lyric
Nov 3, 2007, 02:12 AM
Cherry would be bashing herself otherwise, hahaha.

Jakosifer
Nov 3, 2007, 04:50 AM
Heh, don't see why anyone would even consider that "Newmans being gone" thing as serious. If you use half the head on your shoulders you should be able to sense the sarcasm there. And hell if you miss the sarcasm at least think for a bit, it just wouldn't make any damn sense at all.

bahk
Nov 3, 2007, 05:13 AM
The self righteous always have to go and ruin everyone else's fun...

SabZero
Nov 3, 2007, 05:45 AM
Hal looks like an oversized PM actually (with the ear things). When you get her as an NPC can't you check what she is?

F-Gattaca
Nov 3, 2007, 05:54 AM
On 2007-11-02 16:25, Wallin wrote:
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but what's up with the 1-Up representatives - even the big guy, James Mielke... not one of them are Newman? We had Human (Sam), Cast (Garnett), Beast (Alice), then Human (forgot his name already, LOL) and Human (James)... what's up with that? Even the Rappy Feather exchange guy was a Cast. I'm assuming from her headphone size that even Hal is Human.

No love for the Newman race?



It's my assumption that the NPCs are basically what the original Famitsu employees wanted to look like when the cup was running in Japan, and are not the product of Sega intentionally designing the NPCs or anything.

Perhaps the represented Famitsu employees just didn't feel like making themselves into Numans when given the option to design their PSU selves.

Since the NPCs seem to be the same from back then as they are here (Alica's big-pointy-boobed model being evidence), I'm guessing Sega of America didn't/couldn't give 1-UP employees the same option.

Zoamel_Gustav
Nov 3, 2007, 05:56 AM
On 2007-11-02 23:34, Authenticate wrote:
Wasn't there something in story mode about how there was a rumor that Hal wasn't real or wasn't human or something? I always thought she was a cast because of the PM-like ear things.

Hal is either human or a VR character. From the Factions Section (http://www.phantasystaruniverse.com/charworld_factions_characters.php#17):

Hal
Sex: Female
Race: Human
Age: 19
Affiliation: -

A popular reporter on Gurhal's Channel 5. She is something of a chameleon; she can take on a serious tone at one moment, then become tongue-in-cheek the next. This unpredictable personality gimmick seems to attract enough people that she's become a popular icon with the citizens. Still, rumor has it that she may be a virtual idol, particularly because of her personality switches.


On 2007-11-02 16:35, Wallin wrote:
I doubt Hal is a Cast because she doesn't have those lines on her face like Lou does, and she has real eyes.
http://www.chibiknights.com/images/pso/PSU/hal.png
Hal also lacks the pair of horn-like head parts that female casts have.

DavidNel
Nov 3, 2007, 06:15 AM
Lol, I noticed the lack of Newmans also yesterday. Of course, they are just fleshies... CAST SUPREMICY!!!

Kietrinia
Nov 3, 2007, 09:17 AM
You see, there are Newman's within 1Up. They're the ones running everything in the background. They just let the other races serve as figureheads for the event. It makes all the other races happy, while all the Newman players are simply smiling.

They know who really runs the show, and that's good enough for them. ^-^

Voison
Nov 3, 2007, 11:13 AM
On 2007-11-03 07:17, Kietrinia wrote:
You see, there are Newman's within 1Up. They're the ones running everything in the background. They just let the other races serve as figureheads for the event. It makes all the other races happy, while all the Newman players are simply smiling.

They know who really runs the show, and that's good enough for them. ^-^



lol. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Kinako78
Nov 3, 2007, 12:00 PM
So Hal's like Sharon Apple, minus the deranged personality.



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Gryffin
Nov 3, 2007, 12:04 PM
http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_mad.gif Hal is CAST guys, which is why th other AMF/Casts in general dislike her. They don't like having her disgrace their species... It said it in online story mode.. Thats why theres a HIVE Hal. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Kinako78
Nov 3, 2007, 12:06 PM
That's what I went by, Gryffin.

EtherForce
Nov 3, 2007, 12:23 PM
Hal is virtual, how else can she just stand there in the club day in and out? And have you ever touched her before? I tried to poke her on the shoulder once, my fingers just went straight through O.o

DAMASCUS
Nov 3, 2007, 12:24 PM
We could always check the luck on NPC Hal when she shows up in a party but...from those cut-ins she looks like she has an extra ring around her pupils which I thought was indicative of a cast.

Kinako78
Nov 3, 2007, 12:26 PM
On 2007-11-03 10:23, EtherForce wrote:
Hal is virtual, how else can she just stand there in the club day in and out? And have you ever touched her before? I tried to poke her on the shoulder once, my fingers just went straight through O.o



Seems to me CASTS wouldn't suffer from discomfort, either. As for when you tried to touch her, are you sure that doesn't happen with all NPCs, since you can't really touch them, anyways?

bahk
Nov 3, 2007, 01:43 PM
On 2007-11-03 10:24, DAMASCUS wrote:
We could always check the luck on NPC Hal when she shows up in a party but...



Good idea, and caseals have 3 luck today. Anyone spotted her?

Krisan
Nov 3, 2007, 02:48 PM
It is entirely possible that she is a Machine, similar to the PM's.. Those tend to look much more human than CAST's do, but they lack any sort of free will to call their own - which would coincide with the whole "Virtual Idol" bit.

bahk
Nov 3, 2007, 03:40 PM
Well I just spotted her in a party. She had no luck. She's human. Or she's packing heat.

Remedy
Nov 3, 2007, 03:41 PM
Hal's human. I just saw her - 0 luck. I'll post a screenshot after I kill Fakis.

Eeyore
Nov 3, 2007, 03:42 PM
It says she is human guntecher (1) in party lists.

-Tidus_415-
Nov 3, 2007, 03:48 PM
On 2007-11-02 23:59, Retehi wrote:
Damn, I didn't think people here were that dumb.



This goes for both people that thought Hal was a Cast and for the ones that though Newmans were disappearing.

bahk
Nov 3, 2007, 03:55 PM
On 2007-11-03 13:48, -Tidus_415- wrote:

On 2007-11-02 23:59, Retehi wrote:
Damn, I didn't think people here were that dumb.



This goes for both people that thought Hal was a Cast and for the ones that though Newmans were disappearing.



There was at least reasonable doubt for her species. Especially for people like me who just never cared till the question was asked.

The newman thing was just lols.

Kinako78
Nov 3, 2007, 04:16 PM
Hey, I admitted I might have made a mistake about her being a CAST, Tidus.

Noblewine
Nov 3, 2007, 08:59 PM
It's probably because they weren't interested. However honestly I choose a class with a lot of customization options though ironically I choose to be a human for having balanced parameters.

mizukage
Nov 3, 2007, 09:06 PM
On 2007-11-02 18:54, Zorafim wrote:

On 2007-11-02 17:47, mizukage wrote:
Zorafim once said that NPCs without ears are ought to be CASTs rather than organic entities. Hal doesn't have visible ears, instead she has huge headphones.




I said that people with robotic ears are casts, while people with no visible ears should be approached with caution. You can't really see Hal's ears, if she has any, so she falls under that last case.

From other defining features, though, I think she's a human. The eyelashes, for example, are very pronounced. While casts do have eyelashes, they tend not to be so obvious on most members. She's also very energetic, which is something I've only seen in fleshy races (I want to exclude newmen, but, well, Rika...). Her nose is cute, excluding her from the Beast race, and her ears can't fit in those ear muffs, excluding her from the newman race.


So, basically from physical stereotyping and ear analyzing, I'm going to have to assume that Hal is human.



Well... Now that I think about it, I believe Hal is human. There are many people nowadays would walk around with giant headphones, you can't say they are androids, can you? Hal is human, her headphones is just a way of being hip..

Wallin
Nov 3, 2007, 10:07 PM
On 2007-11-03 19:06, mizukage wrote:
Well... Now that I think about it, I believe Hal is human. There are many people nowadays would walk around with giant headphones, you can't say they are androids, can you? Hal is human, her headphones is just a way of being hip..



Isn't she just based off of Ulala (who is human) from Space Channel 5 anyway? They both work for channel 5 after all.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/32/Ulala.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulala

Remedy
Nov 3, 2007, 10:17 PM
Yeah, basically. The whole thing's one big Space Channel 5 reference http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Wallin
Nov 3, 2007, 10:19 PM
I need to go back and play that game... Dreamcast; those were the days...

BaconZero
Nov 4, 2007, 12:48 AM
On 2007-11-02 16:40, ilovetypemoon wrote:
I consider Newmans to be lucky. They don't have one of their kind run like a sissy >>


Ah Men!!! XD

BLADE_EDGE
Nov 4, 2007, 07:30 AM
On 2007-11-02 16:51, Elley wrote:
Last I heard Sega is trying to phase out newmans. Beasts are taking over.




http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif


nope humans ae taking over thats wut AOtI is all about:p

lenonx
Nov 4, 2007, 07:32 AM
Forget the Newmans its all about da Humans!!

Remedy
Nov 4, 2007, 07:37 AM
On 2007-11-03 20:19, Wallin wrote:
I need to go back and play that game... Dreamcast; those were the days...I didn't play it that much - I was too busy with PSO v1 and v2. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Yusaku_Kudou
Nov 4, 2007, 04:03 PM
Hal's skin is much fuller than any cast's. She's definitely a human.

"Black/gold" is a bad combination? No wai!

http://members.aol.com/BLowry99/zeogold.gif

Zoamel_Gustav
Nov 4, 2007, 04:59 PM
On 2007-11-02 18:54, Zorafim wrote:
So, basically from physical stereotyping and ear analyzing, I'm going to have to assume that Hal is human.

I've been thinking. Hal job is based on PR. Her image is most likely carefully designed by the media. Since ears are a prominent display of race, the downplaying of her ears could for racial neutrality. That and the partner machinery like ear wear helps her look familiar.

Otherwise, it's just to protect her hearing from noise pollution.

ErtaiClou
Nov 4, 2007, 09:34 PM
Actually, the cast suicide bomber in offline at the festival didn't have any cast lines or head protrusions.

mizukage
Nov 4, 2007, 09:38 PM
On 2007-11-04 13:03, Yusaku_Kudou wrote:
"Black/gold" is a bad combination? No wai!

http://members.aol.com/BLowry99/zeogold.gif



Very familiar character, what was his name again???