Weakest Class in the 1up Cup

[Orin654]

What class do you think is the weakest link in the the 1up cup Missions. Personally i think its the forces.

Hunters can move and quickly change direction when attacking and Rangers can snipe from a far in FPS mode. Techers need to stop for every single tech they do, and if they do a multi hit tech the damage output is piss poor compared to a Hunter spamming Maj or a Ranger with SE3 Bullets and Traps

Rez, buffs, and heals can be bought at the npc store to fill in the void.

Dont get me wrong, in regular missions they are great, but when you are in a mission where damage output is the most important factor they fall short. If there are ever 2 forces in a party we have a real difficult time with the GC missions.

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[pikachief]

At least forces can heal, buf and debuff.

We are doing a run, me another gunner a fighter and a techer.

We always got to the last boxes in the EX mission on A.

The fighter left and we did better cuz it lagged less without the fighter XD

[BooChan]

High level forces who know what they are doing are a Godsend. They can put out more damage that Hunters and rangers and they can buff and heal. I fee it depends on the player and how well he equipped and handles his Force abilities.

[amtalx]

Hunters are generally the slowest. In the time it takes them to run over to and enemy, I can kill it and already be putting fire on another enemy before their misfired PA animation to finishes. I've seen that so many times it ceased to be funny about 2 weeks ago...

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-06 10:40, BooChan wrote:
High level forces who know what they are doing are a Godsend. They can put out more damage that Hunters and rangers What shitty-ass FFs/FiGs/FGs are YOU playing with? May I point you in the general direction of Majarra, Durenga, and Jabroga?

[BooChan]

On 2007-11-06 10:47, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-06 10:40, BooChan wrote:
High level forces who know what they are doing are a Godsend. They can put out more damage that Hunters and rangers What shitty-ass FFs/FiGs/FGs are YOU playing with? May I point you in the general direction of Majarra, Durenga, and Jabroga?



Even still a good Force is just as valuable. ONly a handful of players play this game at a high level where they optimize their classes. A good fortetecher is just as good and it doesn't take much work to optimize that class.

[dogg1000]

As a F newman ft at lv 82 i find that with nosdiga i do more dmg than my M beast fg using lv30 twin bullets.

[Remedy]

Translation: FTs do mediocre, baseline damage that can't be that improved by gear, and will always be outclassed by FFs/FiGs/FGs with even decent gear.

[Cracka_J]

If the topic was phrased "weakest class in the EX missions", I would agree with the op and say FF's and FG's have the big advantage. Not to say force is weak, I've done plenty of ex missions with 2 forces where the forces will just sit in the middle and gidiga stuff to death before the hunters can even touch them. It just seems the speed, mobility and power of the other classes tends to overshadow the force's usually helpful abilities. For the regular mission, forces are great as always. For EX, mid to bottom tier.

[Kelvie]

On 2007-11-06 11:00, dogg1000 wrote:
As a F newman ft at lv 82 i find that with nosdiga i do more dmg than my M beast fg using lv30 twin bullets.



You, obviously, should not count too much on Dual handguns.
They are great when you want a good damage output from a safe spot, but it is far from being the best damage dealer of a fortegunner. (and the low SE doesn't help)

[Fresh]

On 2007-11-06 10:47, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-06 10:40, BooChan wrote:
High level forces who know what they are doing are a Godsend. They can put out more damage that Hunters and rangers What shitty-ass FFs/FiGs/FGs are YOU playing with? May I point you in the general direction of Majarra, Durenga, and Jabroga?



Um... remedy what techers do you play with because last time i checked i can do 1000 a hit with my nosdiga and paralizes the monsters. My foie burns for 1200 more than traps (other than protranser traps burn the same). then all other pa's that i use do about 800 to 1000. last time i checked majarra gets stopped my monsters all the time. my attacks never get stopped probably because of har/quick. Now for the ex mission i take out the dilnazen, gaozoran, and delsaban just as fast sometimes faster than a lvl 100 fortefighter with a 28% light muktrand and lvl 30 majarra. Also I can heal everyone, buff everyone, reverse all status effects, debuff if i feel like it so majarra can hit everytime, and like i said attack really strong. fortetechers are always good and always very strong unless you play with a weak one and im sure im not the only good techer in psu (lucifer (360 servers) is crazy good and alot stronger than me). I don't really play with other techers and only played with him a few times but we raped and were very very strong he was just stronger lol

[Remedy]

Nosdiga does 1000 a hit IF it's hitting Lightning-element monsters. Foie burns that strongly because it's SE 4, not SE 3 (like Burn G traps are). Majarra only gets stopped if the meleer in question isn't paying attention.

But whatever.

[Sychosis]

On 2007-11-06 11:28, Fresh wrote:
BIG NUMBARZ = WIN!



No, you are being terribly out-damaged by fighters. Don't kid yourself.

[Ryno]

are you sure forces?

because i'm a support force.

please locked the topic or i'm going to get pissed off..



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[JAFO22000]

On 2007-11-06 11:01, Remedy wrote:
Translation: FTs do mediocre, baseline damage that can't be that improved by gear, and will always be outclassed by FFs/FiGs/FGs with even decent gear.



*shrug* Please don't class all FT's in with your weak FT gaming strategies. *shrug* I don't know, maybe using Gizonde on Ageetas is the reason that YOU do "mediocre, baseline damage", but those who know which tech to use when know how to cause good damage in each situation. *shrug*

Also, FT's have the MOST gear to improve damage output, in the form of slot units: /Quick, /Force, /Tech Charge, /Magic, et al. *shrug* Maybe you just don't play the class right *shrug*

Also, damage is not the end all, be all. Buffing, Debuffing, Healing, Reverser-ing are all things that make missions move faster. Sure there are items (Agtarides, Stars, Sols, Mates) that can substitute for many of these functions, but most non-force types don't pay close attention to the status of the whole party at all times. Plus, if they're in the middle of a three-hit PA combo or shooting from across the room in 1st person mode, they really can't see that their teammate is frozen right in front of three buffed Deljabans who are about to megid the shit out of them. And if they do see it, think they can get into star/sol range AND find it on their pallet quickly enough to use it?

Anyway, all seriousness aside, I think FG's are the weakest since they have to use a glitch to get through the mission! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[ThEoRy]

On 2007-11-06 11:01, Remedy wrote:
Translation: FTs do mediocre, baseline damage that can't be that improved by gear, and will always be outclassed by FFs/FiGs/FGs with even decent gear.


So if I'm wearing a baji senba with a har quick and I'm using a majimra +10 I'll do the same damage as a yamata senba wearing non har/quick havin majimra+3 usin fT.......? Sounds fishy to me http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_eek.gif

[Remedy]

hurr, i'm jafo22000, i can quote things that are taken woefully out of context, hurrrrrrr

[Ryno]

On 2007-11-06 10:39, pikachief wrote:
At least forces can heal, buf and debuff.

We are doing a run, me another gunner a fighter and a techer.

We always got to the last boxes in the EX mission on A.

The fighter left and we did better cuz it lagged less without the fighter XD



oh also they can Giresta too as well.. even tho it's slow saves a moon and a moon X

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-06 11:44, Ryno wrote:
are you sure forces?

because i'm a support force.

please locked the topic or i'm going to get pissed off..




OH, SNAPZ!!

Hey Ryno. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Ryno]

right now im getting in a stressed out! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif
because Orin654
made this topic about mostly about forces being the weakest
I hope this topic gets locked..



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[Fresh]

On 2007-11-06 11:36, Remedy wrote:
Nosdiga does 1000 a hit IF it's hitting Lightning-element monsters. Foie burns that strongly because it's SE 4, not SE 3 (like Burn G traps are). Majarra only gets stopped if the meleer in question isn't paying attention.

But whatever.



you know what it probably does only do 1000 a hit if your hitting lightning monsters with your weapons lmao. But im using a howrod(10) and a halarod with har / quick and i buff all the time. You probably aren't using any of the stuff i have and as for lightning monsters with my nosdiga i hit about 1500 and like 2000+ critical sorry. im on 360 if you want to party with me you can see but i think your on pc/ps2 so if i can catch a picture with my phone i will post it on here sorry but your weapons must suck.......

Edit: I forgot to laugh at you LOL

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[Mystil]

On 2007-11-06 11:51, Remedy wrote:
hurr, i'm jafo22000, i can quote things that are taken woefully out of context, hurrrrrrr


Jafo is right though. Come on Remedy you've been bashing your own class since the game came out @_@.

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-06 11:48, JAFO22000 wrote:

Anyway, all seriousness aside, I think FG's are the weakest since they have to use a glitch to get through the mission! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



GTFO http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[Mystil]

I've been in a party with that glitch(it is possible on PC/PS2) and it didn't speed things up at all. infact it made shit slower and know we didn't clear the EX.

Now I'm mad XD when the fuck am I going to be in a party capable of doing this.

[Remedy]

No, I'll play your little game. I'm bored enough to do so.

Let us assume, for the record:

Level 100, Female Newman (1355 TP - I'll even use the enhanced AotI base stats here)
Kotoha-senba (+30 TP)
Sori/Technicharge (+280 TP)
Howrod +10 (+707 TP)

2372 TP
Nosudiga 30: 170% TP modifier

4032 TP
5 TP = 1 damage

806 damage per snake, assuming 0 MST, no variance of the random variable, and non-lightning monster.


Huh. That's not 1500 a hit. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Mystil]

Ugh it's not worth it.


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[Fresh]

On 2007-11-06 12:04, Remedy wrote:
No, I'll play your little game. I'm bored enough to do so.

Let us assume, for the record:

Level 100, Female Newman (1355 TP - I'll even use the enhanced AotI base stats here)
Kotoha-senba (+30 TP)
Sori/Technicharge (+280 TP)
Howrod +10 (+707 TP)

2372 TP
Nosudiga 30: 170% TP modifier

4032 TP
5 TP = 1 damage

806 damage per snake, assuming 0 MST, no variance of the random variable, and non-lightning monster.


Huh. That's not 1500 a hit. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



cool math but you were trying to correct me right? i said 1500 on lightning monsters. 1000 a hit on the monsters in the GC 1up mission so your twisting my words sorry your wrong again and like i said party with me and you can see with your eyes sorry your so weak i wish you best of luck... oh and in your math where is the lvl 30 buff??? because i do use buffs do you know what those are?? and im a male newman my tp is i believe over 1400 but im not sure at the exact number i could be wrong with that number but im pretty sure its over that maybe not


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[Remedy]

4032 * 1.42 (let's assume, for the sake of argument, you're using a 12% Earth rod)
5725 TP

5 TP per damage
1145 damage per snake

hey, look at that... 1145 != 1500

Oh, by the way, I have Halarods (the difference between a Halarod and a Howrod +10 is 31 TP - 10.5 damage a snake if we're talking Nosudiga), and I run with Har/Quick, because DPS is far more a measure of damage than per-hit nonsense. I'm far from undergeared.

[Orin654]

On 2007-11-06 11:44, Ryno wrote:
are you sure forces?

because i'm a support force.

please locked the topic or i'm going to get pissed off..



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Support to me, is being knocked away, at watching the other Ranger or Hunter taking it to them in my place. Not "lol you guyz need heal"?

[Fresh]

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[Fresh]

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[Fresh]

On 2007-11-06 12:12, Remedy wrote:
4032 * 1.42 (let's assume, for the sake of argument, you're using a 12% Earth rod)
5725 TP

5 TP per damage
1145 damage per snake

hey, look at that... 1145 != 1500

Oh, by the way, I have Halarods (the difference between a Halarod and a Howrod +10 is 31 TP - 10.5 damage a snake if we're talking Nosudiga), and I run with Har/Quick, because DPS is far more a measure of damage than per-hit nonsense. I'm far from undergeared.



if your signature is right your a 93 im a lvl 100 and like i said b4 i said 1500 on lightning monsters and 1000 on GC 1up mission monsters

[Fresh]

if your sig is right your a 93 im lvl 100 also if your a techer and are saying im wrong and that im weak fine ill keep getting my s ranks and you can just sit out and watch because your sayin techers suck but u are a techer lol but whatever your a waste of time and you suck since you only hit lightning monsters for 1145 with nosdiga lol

[SolomonGrundy]

I've played with Ryno, doing the latest 1 UP cup mission, on an A run, with his FT being somwhat underleveled (60-something).

Forgetting damage, the run went so smoothly with him there, I'm not sure my HP ever got yellow, or I was every without a buff. We went fast, and the run was HIGHLY enjoyable.

hows that for useful?

[omegapirate2k]

Doesn't nosdiga have a 30% earth boost as well?

EDIT: Well, level 30 nosdiga.

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[Fresh]

lagged internet posted 3 of the same post

[Orin654]

On 2007-11-06 11:44, Ryno wrote:
are you sure forces?

because i'm a support force.

please locked the topic or i'm going to get pissed off..



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Support to me in these missions is being knocked away by a monster and watching as the ranger/hunter takes it to them in my place,not someone running over to me to heal/buff me.

Once again, Im not bashing support forces. In mission that are extra legnthy and supplies will dwindle, they are invaluable.

[Remedy]

Yes, when talking about lightning monsters. That was in my calculation for lightning elemental monsters (total TP multiplied by 1.42 - .30 from Nosudiga 30 and .12 from an Earth Rod).

[Ryno]

On 2007-11-06 12:20, SolomonGrundy wrote:
I've played with Ryno, doing the latest 1 UP cup mission, on an A run, with his FT being somwhat underleveled (60-something).

Forgetting damage, the run went so smoothly with him there, I'm not sure my HP ever got yellow, or I was every without a buff. We went fast, and the run was HIGHLY enjoyable.

hows that for useful?



THANK YOU Calliope now I can relieve some stress out.

[Finae]

When it comes to damage....

Forces are efficient @ the following 1 up missions
Parum
Moatoob

Forces aren't as efficient @ the following 1 up missions
Colony
Neudaiz

You want me to explain? Here goes :

Neudaiz : Mobs are technic resistant, you're not going to be pumping out a lot of dps when the mobs can be creamed away by both gunners and fighters. The fighter can wear average gear (28% or higher wep, gravity break, majarra) and be of any race (yes even newman) and will still outdamage a damage specialist FT with their PAs considering they have a brain! If they don't have a brain and their PAs get interupted all the time, then the FT will be better. If you have a fighter or gunner with top gear........well their majarra will probably do more than 10k+ total damage in a small amount of time (i.e Beast M FF lvl 100/10, 50% fire/ice spears).

I like to bring my FT in for the EX mission IF we have dps as I can open ALL boxes within less than a second when compared to a fighter which takes forever.

Colony : Ok, mobs here aren't as technic resistant as neudaiz, but your damage output even with regrant will be low when compared to a fighter with the same gear (l33t, nub, average gear). If you want fast runs, you will want both a fighter and gunner.

This isn't to say you don't need a FT though for these 2 missions. Having a good FT (and I've only played with so few who can do both support and damage. I don't care about debuffing, mob dies like right after they do it lol) does mean either the same time or maybe just a lil faster, but from what I've seen, especially in neudaiz, this is not the case for me. I will say though that I have cleared GC EX1 with 2 FTs in the party so nubs cannot say as I usually see "Lvl 90+, no FT."

Parum : You shouldn't have problems here. I can always clear the areas just as fast as my FF solo wise. The exception is ragnus.

Moatoob : Same thing as parum.

Parum EX : May have problems with the jarba one, but not the other one.
Moatoob EX : Will have a easier time with EX1.

Conclusion : Matters who you are playing with, their level, their gear, and if they have a brain (too lazy to elaborate on that). People saying that majarra or any other pa gets interupted all the time need to see how its done, but it seems most of the posters are 360 so it wouldn't matter as I'm ps2/pc. The ones saying FT is useless need to play with a FT who knows what they are doing as don't underestimate FTs on these missions. The ones saying FT can outdamage a FF need to take gear, race, level, and a brain into consideration as clearly, FFs (mainly beasts) will make you cry when it comes to both damage and dps. 3-5k gravity breaks a hit anyone? How about 1200+ renkais? 3.8k on last hit of majarra? I'm scared to even add up all the damage from the first 2 combos. Yeah thats what I thought.

Oh and whos not to say that FTs don't get interupted in their spell casting lol? You're telling me you NEVER get interupted lol? Same thing goes with melee with the addition of them hitting for 0 at times. Once again, this is all opinion, but for ones who love to take things seriously, feel free to tear my post apart as tbh, I don't care lol.

[Sexy_Raine]

I hate to say it but hunters win in EX missions. Forces can't move around during casting which is a huge disadvantage, and the damage output s not that great. Esp. for this Linear Line Ex, we also have no light offense good enough to be useful. I switched to GT and use Yousei-shiki lv30, cause Ft isn't worth it here.

[Fresh]

On 2007-11-06 12:23, omegapirate2k wrote:
Doesn't nosdiga have a 30% earth boost as well?

EDIT: Well, level 30 nosdiga.

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don't even bother with remedy he/she is slow and thinks their character sucks but its well equipped how that works i don't know oh and does math but misses adding stuff to help their wild thoughts....

[Remedy]

I never said my character "sucks". Way to read shit into my posts that isn't there. I said that Fortechers lag behing Fortefighters, Figunners, and Fortegunners for DPS - which is a verifiable, proven fact.

Edit: And yes, you're correct, I miscopied the numbers off the wiki. The calculations end up about 150 damage higher on non-lightning monsters - about 955 a snake. Still not 1000 damage, and I highly doubt you're running around with Kotoha-senbas of every element and a Sori/TC.

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[ShinMatsumoto]

You know what?

I'd much rather have a competent Force who can keep the Hunter standing so the Hunter can actually do his thing then a team of four idiots who charge into the battle, just to get smacked backwards and thus lose -more- time.

Sorry, but this argument is the same one that happened on the Famitsu Cup of PSO. Forces have their place. They're a casting class that has no limits. They can blast, they can heal, they can buff. The best Forces are the Forces who know how they work, know what they have to do, and they do it.

Even in 1Up, I'm usually the Fortefighter who stands in front of the Force, or at least keeps an eye on them. Why? Because a Force is the backbone of your team, as much as any other class. Without the Force, your net profit on 1Up missions is nothing thanks to mate and scape doll consumption.

If I had to say there was a "useless" class, I wouldn't. Because we've all got our roles, we've all got our places, and we all need to work together to not bite the bullet.

So there. My opinion's out. Leave the Forces be. Coming from a Hunter, the usual brain-dead ones of either PSO or PSU, leave the Forces be.

/end rant

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-06 12:27, Remedy wrote:
Yes, when talking about lightning monsters. That was in my calculation for lightning elemental monsters (total TP multiplied by 1.42 - .30 from Nosudiga 30 and .12 from an Earth Rod).


Where does retier come into play though? Since that's a 20% TP boost you don't want to forget anywhere.

[Turambar]

Actually Rem, you have on more than a few occasions ranted how horribly Forces suck in comparison to other classes and that you would disown the class it if it wasn't for buffs and Psycho wand....

But anyways, on topic, Forces do definitely get the short end of the stick EX mission wise. No ands, ifs, or buts about it.



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[Remedy]

Assuming Retier, it'll be 1050 damage to 0-MST enemies.

Go find me an enemy with 0 MST. I'd like to spam techs on it.

Edit: I said I'd gladly abandon Fortecher to go Acrotecher if I could have rods as an AT because I was unhappy with how useless I would inevitably become in AotI. Somewhat of a difference. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

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[Fresh]

Remedy im done arguing with you after this you did the math for your character who is lvl 93 and a female im a lvl 100 male the stats are different i don't care what you do with your damage i know what i deal out i know how fast i run through monsters.

[Remedy]

Actually, I'm using the stats for a level 100/10 Female Newman Fortecher WITH the increased AotI base stats. But thanks for playing.

PSUPedia doesn't have a freaking chart for stats at Level X/Y, otherwise I'd use the v1 stats, but I'm trying to give you every benefit of the doubt here. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Edit: Just to shut you up and do the math, with all corrections, buffs, and god knows what else, once more:

Female Newman 100/10 with AotI buffs: 1742 TP
Retier's bonus: 348 TP
Sori/Technicharge: 280 TP
Kotoha-senba: 30 TP
+10 Howrod: 707 TP
Total TP: 3107 TP
TP after Nosudiga's 170% modifier: 5282
Damage, assuming 0 MST: 1056

Again, there are no monsters with 0 MST. Males will be coming in about 25 damage less... and again, this is including the AotI increase, which significantly bumps up our TP.

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[Mystil]

On 2007-11-06 12:38, Remedy wrote:
Assuming Retier, it'll be 1050 damage to 0-MST enemies.

Go find me an enemy with 0 MST. I'd like to spam techs on it.

Edit: I said I'd gladly abandon Fortecher to go Acrotecher if I could have rods as an AT because I was unhappy with how useless I would inevitably become in AotI. Somewhat of a difference. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

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Thats only your opinion. You're but ONE FT that has some this constant bad taste for the class. Honestly, do them all a favor - come AoI get the fuck off of Fortetecher >_>.

[Remedy]

The constant bad taste is something that's seeded in several years play as a Force in PSO, where we were *gasp* outdamaged by Hunters and Rangers because techs did pitiful damage.

Odd, that.

And no, I'm not quitting the class. As much as what ST's doing to it depresses me, playing the class makes me quite happy, and I'm done playing to make others happy, especially considering most of the players aren't worth sacrificing my happiness for theirs. *shrug*

[Fresh]

ok this is the last post seriously lol um if you can't see male stats how do you know they are going to do 25 less a hit also you didn't put a 12% ground bonus. ttyl remedy u are a sucky lvl 93 techer with bs nosdiga maybe psu hates you and yes when aoi comes out or right now delete you techer and make something else your trash

[Sychosis]

With a 100/10 Female Newman, Har / Quick, and a Halarod....I do high 600s to low 700s vs non lightning monsters with Retier 30 and Nosdiga 30.

Sorry Fresh, but your memory is off. 30 more TP from a Howrod is not going to make 300 points of damage appear.

[Remedy]

Again, we're not talking about Lightning enemies. When we discuss Lightning enemies, I'll stick on the appropriate elemental mods.

Also, I don't have Nosudiga, anyways. I don't like the spell.

[Fresh]

On 2007-11-06 12:52, Sychosis wrote:
With a 100/10 Female Newman, Har / Quick, and a Halarod....I do high 600s to low 700s vs non lightning monsters with Retier 30 and Nosdiga 30.

Sorry Fresh, but your memory is off. 30 more TP from a Howrod is not going to make 300 points of damage appear.



sorry people keep bugging me with this stuff ok im a male newman lvl 100 when i was about lvl 95 i think i was doin 800+ with a howrod(5) maybe howrod(3) i cant remember if i had my 5 grinded one i know i didn't have my 10 times grinded one and that was at lvl 95 with lvl 30 nosdiga im shutting off my internet window you and remedy are just dumb and i keep getting sucked into your bs

[DanMalak]

Actually, I agree with remedy here because when she was listing the TP for everything, Rem was being quite generous. (It's not like everyone plays with equipment that gives max TP) and monsters have mst too. I was a fortetecher on my newm for the most part, but switched in the 1up parum mission to FiG with Das Maj and I gotta say, I did atleast 2x more damage probably more considering that at lvl 30 pa, I do around 2100 (700 x 3) on the 1st combo, 3200 (800 x 4), and 1600 with the last swing, and that's per monster I hit. Usually monsters tend to go in groups and I'm able to hit around 2-3 per pa I used. Also note that I am a newman FiG. I'm not saying that FT is bad, it's just weaker/slower then other classes... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Trinitaria]

Oh for the love of God ! Why do these topics keep coming back in some form or another ? =/

Just play the game and stop looking on ways to denigrate the other classes, why can't people just be content on what they have ? Every class has a specific area that they can pretty much dominate, and areas they are not as good. People need to get with the program already =/

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-06 13:01, Fresh wrote:

On 2007-11-06 12:52, Sychosis wrote:
With a 100/10 Female Newman, Har / Quick, and a Halarod....I do high 600s to low 700s vs non lightning monsters with Retier 30 and Nosdiga 30.

Sorry Fresh, but your memory is off. 30 more TP from a Howrod is not going to make 300 points of damage appear.



sorry people keep bugging me with this stuff ok im a male newman lvl 100 when i was about lvl 95 i think i was doin 800+ with a howrod(5) maybe howrod(3) i cant remember if i had my 5 grinded one i know i didn't have my 10 times grinded one and that was at lvl 95 with lvl 30 nosdiga im shutting off my internet window you and remedy are just dumb and i keep getting sucked into your bs


Your just making yourself look stupid (well, moreso) now.

[Fresh]

On 2007-11-06 13:03, DanMalak wrote:
Actually, I agree with remedy here because when she was listing the TP for everything, Rem was being quite generous. (It's not like everyone plays with equipment that gives max TP) and monsters have mst too. I was a fortetecher on my newm for the most part, but switched in the 1up parum mission to FiG with Das Maj and I gotta say, I did atleast 2x more damage probably more considering that at lvl 30 pa, I do around 2100 (700 x 3) on the 1st combo, 3200 (800 x 4), and 1600 with the last swing, and that's per monster I hit. Usually monsters tend to go in groups and I'm able to hit around 2-3 per pa I used. Also note that I am a newman FiG. I'm not saying that FT is bad, it's just weaker/slower then other classes... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



my nosdiga say i only hit 800 2400 beat your first attack second attact 4 800 hits 3200 so so far if i only hit for 800 im even with you and like i said i hit for 1000 but im helpin out your theory so i will say 800 ok now last swing you do double one of my hits. but i hit 3 times a per cast of nosdiga meaning i would beat you by 800 oh and can i add your attack can be stopped mine really never gets stopped and those little snakes move pretty damn fast so you say remedy is being generous im taking 200 off what i said my attack does and still beating your whole attack shot for shot if yours doesn't get stopped if it does im killin your damage total... i win....



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[beatrixkiddo]

I've been in a party of 4 Fortegunners who could clear the mission AND the EX with no problem, without using the mechgun glitch.

That said, I've been in a party of 2 Fortegunners who cleared the mission and the EX even quicker, by using the mechgun glitch. >_>

It's still very very very possible to legitly clear this mission, just ask Mikaga, Zael, and Starrz.

[DanMalak]

On 2007-11-06 13:13, Fresh wrote:

On 2007-11-06 13:03, DanMalak wrote:
Actually, I agree with remedy here because when she was listing the TP for everything, Rem was being quite generous. (It's not like everyone plays with equipment that gives max TP) and monsters have mst too. I was a fortetecher on my newm for the most part, but switched in the 1up parum mission to FiG with Das Maj and I gotta say, I did atleast 2x more damage probably more considering that at lvl 30 pa, I do around 2100 (700 x 3) on the 1st combo, 3200 (800 x 4), and 1600 with the last swing, and that's per monster I hit. Usually monsters tend to go in groups and I'm able to hit around 2-3 per pa I used. Also note that I am a newman FiG. I'm not saying that FT is bad, it's just weaker/slower then other classes... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



my nosdiga say i only hit 800 2400 beat your first attack second attact 4 800 hits 3200 so so far if i only hit for 800 im even with you and like i said i hit for 1000 but im helpin out your theory so i will say 800 ok now last swing you do double one of my hits. but i hit 3 times a per cast of nosdiga meaning i would beat you by 800 oh and can i add your attack can be stopped mine really never gets stopped and those little snakes move pretty damn fast so you say remedy is being generous im taking 200 off what i said my attack does and still beating your whole attack shot for shot if yours doesn't get stopped if it does im killin your damage total... i win....



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I could have sworn that you were exiting your internet window, but w/e. You may be doing more total dmg with that tech or w/e, but considering I can pull off 1.5 - 2+ the amount of das maj pa's in the time it takes you to do that...I would say that your just making yourself look dumb. If you havnt noticed like 5 ppl are bagging on you and your just to stubborn to just admit that your lvl 100 FT male newman that does 800 per thing is less damage efficient then other hunter classes

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-06 13:13, Fresh wrote:

On 2007-11-06 13:03, DanMalak wrote:
Actually, I agree with remedy here because when she was listing the TP for everything, Rem was being quite generous. (It's not like everyone plays with equipment that gives max TP) and monsters have mst too. I was a fortetecher on my newm for the most part, but switched in the 1up parum mission to FiG with Das Maj and I gotta say, I did atleast 2x more damage probably more considering that at lvl 30 pa, I do around 2100 (700 x 3) on the 1st combo, 3200 (800 x 4), and 1600 with the last swing, and that's per monster I hit. Usually monsters tend to go in groups and I'm able to hit around 2-3 per pa I used. Also note that I am a newman FiG. I'm not saying that FT is bad, it's just weaker/slower then other classes... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



my nosdiga say i only hit 800 2400 beat your first attack second attact 4 800 hits 3200 so so far if i only hit for 800 im even with you and like i said i hit for 1000 but im helpin out your theory so i will say 800 ok now last swing you do double one of my hits. but i hit 3 times a per cast of nosdiga meaning i would beat you by 800 oh and can i add your attack can be stopped mine really never gets stopped and those little snakes move pretty damn fast so you say remedy is being generous im taking 200 off what i said my attack does and still beating your whole attack shot for shot if yours doesn't get stopped if it does im killin your damage total... i win....


He's also a newman fighgunner, compare your damage to a beast (or cast, I suppose) fortefighter, also give them the benefit of best possible circumstances (IE best weapon/unit/%, ect) And you'll see a big difference.

[JAFO22000]

Dude, I HAVE to see this 1000+/hit nosdiga in action. What universe are you going to be on tonight? I'll join your party and you show me, kay?

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-06 13:23, JAFO22000 wrote:
Dude, I HAVE to see this 1000+/hit nosdiga in action. What universe are you going to be on tonight? I'll join your party and you show me, kay?



Don't forget, bring a camera and take pictures of this epic nosdiga.

EDIT: And why a fighter would do majarra on pannons rather than a competent AoE PA is beyond me, you must play with some stupid melee users.

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[Fresh]

I do 1000 a hit.... i said 800 to make you happy and be generous just like remedy raised stats i lowered what i said my attack does and no you can't do 2 attacks in my one and that last swing takes forever and fighers get stopped all the time during there attack by little pannon hahahaha but ok im done ill shut my internet window have a good day hope you find some s ranks i know i will

[Fresh]

uni 5

[Zael]

On 2007-11-06 13:23, JAFO22000 wrote:
Dude, I HAVE to see this 1000+/hit nosdiga in action. What universe are you going to be on tonight? I'll join your party and you show me, kay?


My Nosdiga hits 1000+ on lightning enemies with a Howrod +10. But definitely not other elemental enemies

And whoever said Fortegunner is the weakest link is a fucking idiot.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-06 13:22, omegapirate2k wrote:
He's also a newman fighgunner, compare your damage to a beast (or cast, I suppose) fortefighter, also give them the benefit of best possible circumstances (IE best weapon/unit/%, ect) And you'll see a big difference.I wasn't even taking into account elements, like I said. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif I could, though. I can't really calculate Majarra's output the way I did Nosudiga's, though, because of the increase in ATP modifier (that's not documented) on stage 2 and 3 of the art. :|

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-06 13:29, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-06 13:22, omegapirate2k wrote:
He's also a newman fighgunner, compare your damage to a beast (or cast, I suppose) fortefighter, also give them the benefit of best possible circumstances (IE best weapon/unit/%, ect) And you'll see a big difference.I wasn't even taking into account elements, like I said. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif I could, though. I can't really calculate Majarra's output the way I did Nosudiga's, though, because of the increase in ATP modifier (that's not documented) on stage 2 and 3 of the art. :|



It doesn't even have to be calculated, honestly, it's GOING to be more powerful, I can guarantee that XD

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-11-06 13:25, Fresh wrote:
uni 5



If my friends aren't on, I'll be there! When I see you, I'll say something like "looking for 1000+/hit nosdiga!" or something (I'm a little lv. 100 F Neuman FT with green hair). Then, just invite me to your party and show me. I'll report my findings tomorrow.....

TO BE CONTINUED!!!!!

[Rayokarna]

This is extreamly sad...

As a PT/WT. Even in these missions, each class have got there own way of going about it. I don't really see the point of trying to put down another class. If your good in your class in anyway shape or form, you'll understand what other classes bring to the table and how they can help you with more than one reason. You people that have the single mind that your class is the best with no weakness, need to get a grip. Some of the shit you lot come up with about eachother's class is just like WTF. Most of you who complain about other classes(Not even the people using them, the class itself) just need to get on with. If you dont like how things are...

...GTFO

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-06 13:37, JAFO22000 wrote:

On 2007-11-06 13:25, Fresh wrote:
uni 5



If my friends aren't on, I'll be there! When I see you, I'll say something like "looking for 1000+/hit nosdiga!" or something (I'm a little lv. 100 F Neuman FT with green hair). Then, just invite me to your party and show me. I'll report my findings tomorrow.....

TO BE CONTINUED!!!!!



Remember, pictures.

[DanMalak]

And a fraps vid would be nice too http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Turb0]

I hit over 9000 with my nosdiga. Seriously though, what's with all the e-peen bragging in this thread? Having had nothing against you before this thread, Fresh, now you just sound like an arrogant prick. For example:


On 2007-11-06 11:56, Fresh wrote:
im on 360 if you want to party with me you can see but i think your on pc/ps2 so if i can catch a picture with my phone i will post it on here sorry but your weapons must suck.......

Edit: I forgot to laugh at you LOL


On 2007-11-06 12:19, Fresh wrote:
ill keep getting my s ranks and you can just sit out and watch because your sayin techers suck but u are a techer lol but whatever your a waste of time and you suck since you only hit lightning monsters for 1145 with nosdiga lol

On 2007-11-06 12:51, Fresh wrote:
ttyl remedy u are a sucky lvl 93 techer with bs nosdiga maybe psu hates you and yes when aoi comes out or right now delete you techer and make something else your trash

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-06 13:41, DanMalak wrote:
And a fraps vid would be nice too http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



360 needs a capture card to record fraps quality video :/

[Trinitaria]

We already know it's not going to happen. I am surprised that no one told this guy that Majarra hits more than one target, while Nosdiga "potentially" hits for 2000 if all 3 shots hit the same target. That and Nosdiga is perhaps one of the easiest techs to disrupt.

Sorry buddy. As a techer I have to say it, but you are full of it =/.

[beatrixkiddo]

Yeah, with a 44% Spear, Majarra hits 2x3 times for about 800, 2x3 times for 1000+, and then 3x1 for 2000.

[Dragwind]

To a degree techers, yes...but not always.

I'd say it only really matters on the EX mission. Other than that, everyone can throw their damage in pretty quick.

Only problem I have with any classes being weak I would say are hybrids on EX missions. Just my opinion due to the weaker stats, and you're most likely only going to be using one/two forms of attack during an EX. Might as well be a forte for those.

[SolomonGrundy]

Yeah, with a 44% Spear, Majarra hits 2x3 times for about 800, 2x3 times for 1000+, and then 3x1 for 2000.

I've got a 44% lance I forgot to sell http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-11-06 13:38, omegapirate2k wrote:

On 2007-11-06 13:37, JAFO22000 wrote:

On 2007-11-06 13:25, Fresh wrote:
uni 5



If my friends aren't on, I'll be there! When I see you, I'll say something like "looking for 1000+/hit nosdiga!" or something (I'm a little lv. 100 F Neuman FT with green hair). Then, just invite me to your party and show me. I'll report my findings tomorrow.....

TO BE CONTINUED!!!!!



Remember, pictures.



I've hired a court stenographer (she's bonded!) so the best I can do is a crappily colored sketch that vaugely resembles our characters....

[rN_MasterPimp]

I quit my LVL 100 Techer (My main character MasterPimp) exclusively for 1-Up and the EX Missions.

LoL at Fresh.... Techers are not damage dealers, and it cracks me up that you think so. Go level a fighter or gunner before you speak. I had to sign up in these forums just so I could LoL at you.

[Jao]

if forces are not dmg dealers do you really have to be an expert player to heal cuz the decrp. of the class says for advanced players

[Sychosis]

The description also says they can use all TECHNICs with unmatched power. Enter Acrotecher which does support better.

The description means squat anymore.

[ThEoRy]

On 2007-11-06 15:02, rN_MasterPimp wrote:
I quit my LVL 100 Techer (My main character MasterPimp) exclusively for 1-Up and the EX Missions.

LoL at Fresh.... Techers are not damage dealers, and it cracks me up that you think so. Go level a fighter or gunner before you speak. I had to sign up in these forums just so I could LoL at you.


lol at you. I am most certainly a damage dealer and yet soo much more.

[GeekRuler]

Seriously if your just joining in folks look at the whole thread its made of epic, heart-pumping action that you may need to put your kids to bed before watching.

Oh btw Protranser Guntecher FTW lol http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif
You know it...

[Darkly]

why create these kind of threads? negative threads that single out certain classes are a waste of time.

its a team based game, forces can cause decent damage along with supporting everyone else.

It's kind of like singling out the PT for having weaker stats: therefore it must be the weakest class for ex but it's simply not true, because of it's versitility.

[ThEoRy]

On 2007-11-06 16:00, Darkly wrote:
why create these kind of threads? negative threads that single out certain classes are a waste of time.

its a team based game, forces can cause decent damage along with supporting everyone else.

It's kind of like singling out the PT for having weaker stats: therefore it must be the weakest class for ex but it's simply not true, because of it's versitility.



Ooh ooh thats a great idea. Let's all start pointing fingers at PTs and Hybrids! JK Good point about it being a team based game Darkly. Would be nice if others saw this POV.

[Shishi-O]

I am hunter at heart and fighgunner by religion ( all hail Fi Almighty ).

But i am using forte gunner as my job for these missions.

The game is wholly biased against hunters.

U ever heard of the gi class spells the techers use? How about megiverse lvl 21+?

How bout har/ quick and lvl 30 foie/ digga/ barta/ zonde?

Techers outclass hunters in every way shape and form.

I saw pana use a lvl 26 megiverse in parum ex that left me just standing there mouth agape, I mean everything died. Even the mighty sasori's dus majarrah couldn't keep up.

Dude everyone here knows what forces can do, they are being very polite, in answering you.

Forces are the number one solo artist/ damage dealers in the game.

[kwright1266]

You can't say that forces are weakest in all the 1 up

missions... I will however agree that in the GC mission we

probably aren't the best. But that was expected since sega

gave us the crappiest light spell for a dark mission. It's

inefficient in every way possible from the crazy knock-back

to the possibility of suicide.. In the other Ex missions Dus

Marjara or not you'd be hard pressed to find someone killing

ex monsters quicker than a 100 techer with 30 megiverse right

in the center of the board. A fighter hits whatever is in

front of them when a techer hits anything that spawns in the

room... And which class is breaking all of those boxes as

soon as they spawn in one shot? Not the fighters...So who

needs mobility when you can accomplish your task while

standing still?



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[GeekRuler]

More spaces between sentences means you must have thought a little bit more http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif
Go party games http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Durr Arrgh Aughnuauhg
PT all the way w00t!



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[Helly]

I voted hunters if only because there's so darn many of them! Some people may like an entire party full of them for whatever reasons but not me! A well balanced team is always best. Being a weak lil GT trying to support a bunch of people on my own is hard and very resource draining. Even though I like playing support I still always like to have a real techer on the team~

[DJK711]

How could anyone thing forces are the worst hunters are forces de buffs are key and the only reason rangers are good is because of the glitch.

[Sychosis]

On 2007-11-06 17:28, Shishi-O wrote:
Techers outclass hunters in every way shape and form.


lol...just lol.

[Noblewine]

Not really interesting in answering that question. I'll let anyone in my party as long as they slack off and just sit around while were trying to advance to the next block. I don't really think any class is a problem for completing any mission in the 1up event. I mean each class has it's advantages and disadvantages so who really cares when everyone pulls together teamwork helps out ALOT.

[mizukage]

I picked rangers. I usually use B-rank sabers equipped with Gravity Strike while in that type...

[Sekani]

Just what this forum needs, more techer self-pity.

Seriously though, as far as the EX missions are concerned anything that's not a fortegunner could be considered a liability, glitching or not.

[Pentence]

On 2007-11-06 12:34, ShinMatsumoto wrote:
You know what?

I'd much rather have a competent Force who can keep the Hunter standing so the Hunter can actually do his thing then a team of four idiots who charge into the battle, just to get smacked backwards and thus lose -more- time.

Sorry, but this argument is the same one that happened on the Famitsu Cup of PSO. Forces have their place. They're a casting class that has no limits. They can blast, they can heal, they can buff. The best Forces are the Forces who know how they work, know what they have to do, and they do it.

Even in 1Up, I'm usually the Fortefighter who stands in front of the Force, or at least keeps an eye on them. Why? Because a Force is the backbone of your team, as much as any other class. Without the Force, your net profit on 1Up missions is nothing thanks to mate and scape doll consumption.

If I had to say there was a "useless" class, I wouldn't. Because we've all got our roles, we've all got our places, and we all need to work together to not bite the bullet.

So there. My opinion's out. Leave the Forces be. Coming from a Hunter, the usual brain-dead ones of either PSO or PSU, leave the Forces be.

/end rant




Well put mate tis true a good force helps out alot.These missions are also mroe about time than anything so not wasteing any by useing items and geting healed helps.Forces realy help keep you in the groove cause once that rythems going you dont want to stop its flowing. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Veraichi]

christ will they lock this topic already

[Veraichi]

Christ will they lock this topic already

[Mystil]

All classes suck.

Phantasy Star Noobiverse.

/IMMUNE TO ARGUEMENT
/THREAD

[Aviva]

why does the 'weakest" class even matter...there is no denying that having a techer of some sort on your team is nice... and i would rather have a techer than a gunner around any day...i think that some people just dont have the patience/skill to work with a techer.

[_K1_]

Since you can change your class at any time, who cares which class is worse? Even as a Newman (easily the least-balanced race) I do decent damage as an FF, to the point that people playing with me don't seem to realize what race I am.

If you don't like your damage, switch to something else. For the Neudiaz mission, FTs are at a strong disadvantage. On GC, I disagree that they are weak - Foie and Burn SE4 are very useful, and everyone appreciates healing during the Falkis fight(s).

TBH, I don't think most players care about solving DPS math problems. Most parties end up being made up of whomever is around at the time.

[Fresh]

dang this is still going... ok well maybe this will help today is a new day lets just be happy lol yesterday i was watching my little snakes in action they were doing 920's good and 900+ sorry I must of remembered the 1000 from my criticals and those were always 1234 and 1235 or right around there.. So I will say i was 100 damage off and no I never got stopped.. other than by megid like 3 times and remedy the tp you had said for your newman was 1355 mine is 1441 if that helps i guess. but hey I found a shi kikami board yesterday and hyper viper board is anyone interested in them some one already offered a gaozoran rod board for each of them

oh and in the ex i was taking the delsaban out in about 4 to 6 hits depending on if i got criticals. and i was looking a a fortegunner shoot his rifle and my bow was doing more damage than he was my shot was at 30 i don't know what his was at but it was over 21. So i guess the people who say techers are weak well hey I kick ass and my bow is stronger than FG rifles so if I say screw the tech's I still rape unless there a cheater that uses the glitch which is not fair and really cheap being this game is so easy as it is.



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[drizzle]

It doesn't really matter which class is the strongest or the weakest as long as I still see so many people using earth and fire weapons or dark bullets in the colony mission >_>

[Neomaxim]

Yeah... why would anyone use fire-shots to.... oh.... I don't know.... burn enemies down. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Lol... hell Burn is the main way I contribute to most groups, especially on high annoyance targets like Magashi.

Unless you literally meant fire melee weapons, in which case, apologies.

[Sychosis]

On 2007-11-07 05:29, Fresh wrote:
dang this is still going... ok well maybe this will help today is a new day lets just be happy lol yesterday i was watching my little snakes in action they were doing 920's good and 900+ sorry I must of remembered the 1000 from my criticals and those were always 1234 and 1235 or right around there.. So I will say i was 100 damage off and no I never got stopped.. other than by megid like 3 times and remedy the tp you had said for your newman was 1355 mine is 1441 if that helps i guess. but hey I found a shi kikami board yesterday and hyper viper board is anyone interested in them some one already offered a gaozoran rod board for each of them

oh and in the ex i was taking the delsaban out in about 4 to 6 hits depending on if i got criticals. and i was looking a a fortegunner shoot his rifle and my bow was doing more damage than he was my shot was at 30 i don't know what his was at but it was over 21. So i guess the people who say techers are weak well hey I kick ass and my bow is stronger than FG rifles so if I say screw the tech's I still rape unless there a cheater that uses the glitch which is not fair and really cheap being this game is so easy as it is.



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Again, you're lying.


On 2007-11-06 11:56, Fresh wrote:
But im using a howrod(10) and a halarod with har / quick and i buff all the time.


http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/Sychosis777/lulz/?action=view&current=Nosedigger.flv

There is no way you are hitting for 900+ with that equipment.

[u_r]

I'm just gonna agree and say the strongest is any that can use a mech gun http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Trinitaria]

Pfffft, mech guns. Anyone that uses that glitch (if you are reffering to that) does not know how much they are actually gimping themselves.



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[amtalx]

@Sychosis: You sir, have made my day. I lol'd.


On 2007-11-07 06:46, Trinitaria wrote:
Pfffft, mech guns. Anyone that uses that glitch (if you are reffering to that) does not know hom much they are actually gimping themselves.



Depends on if you get the overlap correct. If done correctly you can easily breach the 4000 DPS range. Good thing this will be gone in a couple weeks.

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-07 05:29, Fresh wrote:
dang this is still going... ok well maybe this will help today is a new day lets just be happy lol yesterday i was watching my little snakes in action they were doing 920's good and 900+ sorry I must of remembered the 1000 from my criticals and those were always 1234 and 1235 or right around there.. So I will say i was 100 damage off and no I never got stopped.. other than by megid like 3 times and remedy the tp you had said for your newman was 1355 mine is 1441 if that helps i guess. but hey I found a shi kikami board yesterday and hyper viper board is anyone interested in them some one already offered a gaozoran rod board for each of them

oh and in the ex i was taking the delsaban out in about 4 to 6 hits depending on if i got criticals. and i was looking a a fortegunner shoot his rifle and my bow was doing more damage than he was my shot was at 30 i don't know what his was at but it was over 21. So i guess the people who say techers are weak well hey I kick ass and my bow is stronger than FG rifles so if I say screw the tech's I still rape unless there a cheater that uses the glitch which is not fair and really cheap being this game is so easy as it is.


k

Yeah...

No.

As you so eloquently put it:


On 2007-11-06 12:51, Fresh wrote:
u are a sucky techer with bs nosdiga maybe psu hates you and yes when aoi comes out or right now delete you techer and make something else your trash

[Fresh]

Oh a tech charge doesn't boost anything right? oh wait it boost tp!! i have more than 1 good armor slot. The only time i use my har / quick during these missions are during the ex missions or if i just want to use like foie and diga. If you look he puts har / quick on and then buffed which puts her tp down before she cast which would make it less effective but i do use har / quick when i want to speed through the run cuz it cast faster... man i wish i had a way to make a video. but im done trying i came on here and said i was wrong with the 1000 i hit right around 900 sometimes it will hit like 880 and sometimes 920 and my criticals are 1234 and 1235 i say that number because that is the criticals i seen the most... I guess saying i was wrong yesterday and giving the number i seen as i cast nosdiga last night just to make sure i said the right numbers isn't enough..

The Video
* put on har quick before the buff (that make the buff weaker)
* cast with har / quick on (also lowers tp)
* I think that was a buff delsaban not sure though( if it was thats the ones i only hit like 880 on)
* Used a halarod (I use a (10) howrod which isn't a crazy amount better but is better than a howrod)


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[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-07 07:27, Fresh wrote:
Oh a tech charge doesn't boost anything right? oh wait it boost tp!! i have more than 1 good armor slot. The only time i use my har / quick during these missions are during the ex missions or if i just want to use like foie and diga. If you look he puts har / quick on and then buffed which puts her tp down before she cast which would make it less effective but i do use har / quick when i want to speed through the run cuz it cast faster... man i wish i had a way to make a video. but im done trying i came on here and said i was wrong with the 1000 i hit right around 900+ sometimes it will hit like 880 and my criticals are 1234 and 1235 i say that number because that is the criticals i seen the most


Yes, but you said you hit for 900+ with har quick, so you'd better do something about that.

Also, TP has no effect on buff effectiveness, actually, I'm a fighgunner and even I know that!

[Gen2000]

On 2007-11-07 06:17, Neomaxim wrote:
Unless you literally meant fire melee weapons, in which case, apologies.



There is a frightening number of players that still use Ice, Fire and other random non-light element melee weapons during Colony mission runs. The Crea Doubles, 2-headed Ragnus, and Crimson owners are usually the worse offenders but I see Ice and Ground Spears quite a lot as well on people's pallettes in Uni2.

Majarra spam is not awesome if you're not using the correct element.

[Fresh]

On 2007-11-07 07:30, omegapirate2k wrote:

Yes, but you said you hit for 900+ with har quick, so you'd better do something about that.

Also, TP has no effect on buff effectiveness, actually, I'm a fighgunner and even I know that!



Um ok my bad for saying i was using har quick i still hit 900+ and you say Tp has no effect well when i cast my buffs with tech charge and a good grinded rod it seems to be better than say a granarod casting the same buffs. maybe im getting lucky and im hitting more criticals or something but i do see different numbers

[Trinitaria]

Boy he is persistant @.@

I'll equip my Sori/Tech Charge with a Halarod after I get home and see if I can ask my partner to take a couple of pictures.

That or someone read him a story so he can sleep on it >.>

[Fresh]

Its really funny how people cry need techer for s2 need techer for s2 when people were non stop running seabed but now there is a ultimate pa that acutally does some good damage and a glitch where fighgunners and fortegunners can cheat now techers are weak lol

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-07 07:38, Fresh wrote:
and you say Tp has no effect well when i cast my buffs with tech charge and a good grinded rod it seems to be better than say a granarod casting the same buffs.


Seems to be better.

Isn't, though, since all buffs do is apply a condition that increases the desired stat by a set amount based on level, level 30 buffs are actually no more potent than level 21.

The increased damage is probably you having a tech charge equipped using a good grinded rod and using your offensive techs.

[Sekani]

On 2007-11-07 07:37, Gen2000 wrote:

On 2007-11-07 06:17, Neomaxim wrote:
Unless you literally meant fire melee weapons, in which case, apologies.



There is a frightening number of players that still use Ice, Fire and other random non-light element melee weapons during Colony mission runs. The Crea Doubles, 2-headed Ragnus, and Crimson owners are usually the worse offenders but I see Ice and Ground Spears quite a lot as well on people's pallettes in Uni2.

Majarra spam is not awesome if you're not using the correct element.


Yes, because everyone should have 15 different light weapons laying around (especially S-ranks) that they're never going to use again once this event is over.

I can understand wanting one or two for the EX mission, but other than that stuff will die anyway so who really cares?

[JAFO22000]

Well, I was in uni 5 last night and Fresh wasn't there (surprise).

Anyway, I did a little test of my own:

Level 100/10 F Neuman FT, Kotoha-Senba, Sori/Tech Charge, Halarod, Nosdiga lv. 30, Retier lv. 30:

Each hit was doing ~930 to the pannons on A.

I switched to a Howrod (3) and was hitting for ~910 per "snake".

While I though Fresh was exaggerating his 1000+ damage, I was unaware that this tech hit for so high. But considering the PP drain from using the Tech charge and the fact that casting was slower due to no quick unit, it really isn't efficient to use it unless you want the big numbers.

Note: Big numbers do not always equal better numbers.

[Trinitaria]

Fresh.

You are missing the point =/

Techers are not a weak class, not by a long shot. Techers are "at the moment" not desirable for the current EX missions. They are trying to explain to you that techers are not the ultimate damage dealers, they are giving you clear cut examples. Nosdiga will not out-damage something like Dus Majarra.

Dus Majarra hits multiple enemies for high damage in a very wide area. Nosdiga needs to crawl all the way to the opponent. If you are a safe casting distance away the Hunter will already have unleashed the second and the most deadliest part of Majarra before you third nosdiga snake even reached it's intended target. It's really that simple.

Now lets say you are casting Nos diga at point blank distance, then you are doing quick damage becuase you don't have to hold the spell while it travels to it's target, but then again you risk being slapped right out of it, and "poof" goes Nos diga.

That and a Hunter could always pull out a Saber and perform Spinning strike =/.

It really is that simple =/

[Fresh]

On 2007-11-07 07:52, JAFO22000 wrote:
Well, I was in uni 5 last night and Fresh wasn't there (surprise).

Anyway, I did a little test of my own:

Level 100/10 F Neuman FT, Kotoha-Senba, Sori/Tech Charge, Halarod, Nosdiga lv. 30, Retier lv. 30:

Each hit was doing ~930 to the pannons on A.

I switched to a Howrod (3) and was hitting for ~910 per "snake".

While I though Fresh was exaggerating his 1000+ damage, I was unaware that this tech hit for so high. But considering the PP drain from using the Tech charge and the fact that casting was slower due to no quick unit, it really isn't efficient to use it unless you want the big numbers.

Note: Big numbers do not always equal better numbers.



Lol thats the only uni i play in i was there you said you will find me if your not with your friends.... I just said a couple post ago that the 1000+ i seen was my critical and i was hitting between 880 and 920 go back and look here let me say it again

Criticals last night: 1234 1235(I seen them consistant with critical hits)

Normal Hit last night: around 880+ on buffed.. 900-920 on non buffed

And if you go farter back in the topic i think around page 5 or 6 a guy said majarra hit 800*3 1st he said something for the second and i think 1600 for the swing. I compared my stats and only said say i hit 800 and still 3 cast and his hits equal the same if im close to the enemy i hit almost as fast as majarra. Now I ACTUALLY HIT 900-920 on non buffed creatures meaning that 100-120 more than i said when we hit equal. Which mean i hit 900 to 1080 more than that guys majarra....



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[JAFO22000]

I was in the club for quite some time. I even checked Hal and looked at the "join party" option to see if you were in a party there. You were not.

You claim to have found a Shi-Kikakmi board? Perhaps you were on Neudaiz running Rainbow Beast?

Oh, BTW, you say you can take Deljabans in the EX mission out in 4-6 hits of Nosdiga? And you think that's efficient? Try using Foie. You should be able to two shot them with a wand and a quick unit.

[omegapirate2k]

I suppose sychosis should make a video of himself using a halarod on deljiban with a sori tech charge, and we'll see who does more damage.

Also, the deljibans in the video are not buffed.

Edit: I forgot to laugh at you LOL

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[u_r]

On 2007-11-07 06:46, Trinitaria wrote:
Pfffft, mech guns. Anyone that uses that glitch (if you are reffering to that) does not know how much they are actually gimping themselves.



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hehe exploit as much as you can til its removed, otherwise you will kick yourself when its fixxed! !

[Fresh]

On 2007-11-07 08:03, JAFO22000 wrote:
I was in the club for quite some time. I even checked Hal and looked at the "join party" option to see if you were in a party there. You were not.

You claim to have found a Shi-Kikakmi board? Perhaps you were on Neudaiz running Rainbow Beast?

Oh, BTW, you say you can take Deljabans in the EX mission out in 4-6 hits of Nosdiga? And you think that's efficient? Try using Foie. You should be able to two shot them with a wand and a quick unit.



I had a shi kikami since neudaiz 1up missions where here my friend found one while i was at work and gave it to me last night. I did find the hyper viper from the GC 1up mission last night... I don't think you can look in the counter to join a party lol the only option it gives you is to start a mission or item exchange HAHAHAHAHAHA WOW!!!!

[Sychosis]

On 2007-11-07 08:04, omegapirate2k wrote:
I suppose sychosis should make a video of himself using a halarod on deljiban with a sori tech charge, and we'll see who does more damage.

Also, the deljibans in the video are not buffed.

Edit: I forgot to laugh at you LOL

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I sold mine a while ago. They'll be dropping like candy in the near future, I'll pick another one up then http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Though I think Sion still has one. I'll see if I can borrow his for a couple minutes :/

EDIT:

On 2007-11-07 08:07, Fresh wrote:
I don't think you can look in the counter to join a party lol the only option it gives you is to start a mission or item exchange HAHAHAHAHAHA WOW!!!!



Yeah...you can. Boy oh boy, you really don't know much about this game...do you?



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[Trinitaria]

Erm, no.

I am a player of high "Calibre", I don't need an exploit to suceed in this game. I will pat myself in the back after it's fixed and say to myself "You are good."

So no. Thank you.

P.S. "Calibre" is the word I wish to use here, not "Caliber" before someone points that out.

[omegapirate2k]

On 2007-11-07 08:09, Sychosis wrote:
Though I think Sion still has one. I'll see if I can borrow his for a couple minutes :/


Please do.

[Trinitaria]

On 2007-11-07 08:07, Fresh wrote:

On 2007-11-07 08:03, JAFO22000 wrote:
I was in the club for quite some time. I even checked Hal and looked at the "join party" option to see if you were in a party there. You were not.

You claim to have found a Shi-Kikakmi board? Perhaps you were on Neudaiz running Rainbow Beast?

Oh, BTW, you say you can take Deljabans in the EX mission out in 4-6 hits of Nosdiga? And you think that's efficient? Try using Foie. You should be able to two shot them with a wand and a quick unit.



I had a shi kikami since neudaiz 1up missions where here my friend found one while i was at work and gave it to me last night. I did find the hyper viper from the GC 1up mission last night... I don't think you can look in the counter to join a party lol the only option it gives you is to start a mission or item exchange HAHAHAHAHAHA WOW!!!!



Wow, just wow.

Fresh really is clueless http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif;;;

Can someone please draw him a map with directions out of this thread ? Please ?

[Fresh]

On 2007-11-07 08:09, Sychosis wrote:

On 2007-11-07 08:04, omegapirate2k wrote:
I suppose sychosis should make a video of himself using a halarod on deljiban with a sori tech charge, and we'll see who does more damage.

Also, the deljibans in the video are not buffed.

Edit: I forgot to laugh at you LOL

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I sold mine a while ago. They'll be dropping like candy in the near future, I'll pick another one up then http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Though I think Sion still has one. I'll see if I can borrow his for a couple minutes :/

EDIT:

On 2007-11-07 08:07, Fresh wrote:
I don't think you can look in the counter to join a party lol the only option it gives you is to start a mission or item exchange HAHAHAHAHAHA WOW!!!!



Yeah...you can. Boy oh boy, you really don't know much about this game...do you?



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Ok... Um you can't join mid-mission so i figured you couldn't and when i go in the counter all that pops up is the run and item exchange i don't know what your seeing but i can't join anyones run that is already started so maybe you know nothing about the game.

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-07 08:14, Fresh wrote:

Ok... Um you can't join mid-mission so i figured you couldn't and when i go in the counter all that pops up is the run and item exchange i don't know what your seeing but i can't join anyones run that is already started so maybe you know nothing about the game.



*waits for a new Sychosis vid*

Anyway Fresh...cataclysmic fail. Put this thread in the "L" column and call it a day.

[Sychosis]

This is what I'm seeing:

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/Sychosis777/lulz/1107112235.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/Sychosis777/lulz/1107112249.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s302/Sychosis777/lulz/1107112521.jpg

Only pictures this time, sorry amtalx XD

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[JAFO22000]

On 2007-11-07 08:14, Fresh wrote:

Ok... Um you can't join mid-mission so i figured you couldn't and when i go in the counter all that pops up is the run and item exchange i don't know what your seeing but i can't join anyones run that is already started so maybe you know nothing about the game.



Dude, I would say "Quit while you're ahead", but that doesn't apply because you are SO far behind...so, "Quit before you get even more behind" is what I should say.

...after you select the mission from Hal, you can select "Start mission/Join party/leave counter". If you selcet "Join Party", you can look at all the parties in progress and if you select one of these parties, you can see who is in them. You cannont join, however.

[Skuda]

Yeah, count yourselves lucky that I'm in a good mood today. You guys can behave better than this. Also, I advise against creating such easily flame-baitable threads in the future. Nothing good ever comes out of them. Buck up folks.



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[Fresh]

On 2007-11-07 08:25, amtalx wrote:

On 2007-11-07 08:14, Fresh wrote:

Ok... Um you can't join mid-mission so i figured you couldn't and when i go in the counter all that pops up is the run and item exchange i don't know what your seeing but i can't join anyones run that is already started so maybe you know nothing about the game.



*waits for a new Sychosis vid*

Anyway Fresh...cataclysmic fail. Put this thread in the "L" column and call it a day.



what does your comment have to do with me being in uni 5 and him lookin in hal and not seeing me... and like i said before you can see who is playing because there is no join party option in the 1up missions