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Agnostic187
Nov 12, 2007, 05:30 AM
With the new JA system, and the regenerating PP, whichu unit becomes ALL AROUND "better" in the expansion? Solid / Power or the Hard / Power.

Zael
Nov 12, 2007, 05:33 AM
I prefer HPC.

Remedy
Nov 12, 2007, 05:33 AM
HPC is still going to make your PAs cost quite a bit. If you can afford the extra cost in weapons and charges, go with HPC. Otherwise, use SPS.

Cati > HPC > SPS, IMO, assuming you can pay the upkeep of an HPC.

Zael
Nov 12, 2007, 05:37 AM
Meh, I don't really like Cati/Power. I think only having 25 or 40 less ATP then the other power units is a worse drawback than the -ATA or increased PP usage.

Remedy
Nov 12, 2007, 05:39 AM
*shrug* Unfortunately, meleers don't have a Solid / Quick for their arms, so I can't suggest that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

25 ATP is only, what, 5 damage, though? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

-Hyacia-
Nov 12, 2007, 05:43 AM
Something like that >.> -Hugs Cati/Power-

Remedy
Nov 12, 2007, 05:45 AM
I'd rather have G/BPPS for my arms, but then again, I don't use my bow or cards enough to justify any A-rank unit.

Maybe I should get Tero/All Save! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

-Ryuki-
Nov 12, 2007, 05:45 AM
Let's see..

HPC = FF
SPS = FG
PP Save = FI

All solved.

Remedy
Nov 12, 2007, 05:47 AM
All Save = FT

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

drizzle
Nov 12, 2007, 06:59 AM
On 2007-11-12 02:39, Remedy wrote:
*shrug* Unfortunately, meleers don't have a Solid / Quick for their arms, so I can't suggest that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

25 ATP is only, what, 5 damage, though? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif



When using a 400% damage PA, it'll be 20-30 damage depending on element, and another 10-15 when you crit (hi timed attacks). Looks better now, yes?

Remedy
Nov 12, 2007, 07:05 AM
Well yeah, another 40 damage... but at what cost? More 0s? More Photon Charges? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I dunno. Use what you like, IMO :3

Shiro_Ryuu
Nov 12, 2007, 07:15 AM
Solid / Power S is awesome for my FI, even my Newman WT used it and she was ok, so I go with that. I don't really think ATA matters too much except for big, slow weapons on a PT or FF with a Beast, in which case a Cati would be better. I mean, with the stat boosts and our ATP going to 1000, who the hell is going to give a flying foy about 50 ATP?

In that logic, if a PA gets like a 400$ modifier, I still wouldn't give a foy about 40 damage when I'm cracking out 6k damage or so.

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CelestialBlade
Nov 12, 2007, 07:20 AM
On 2007-11-12 02:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Let's see..

HPC = FF
SPS = FG
PP Save = FI

All solved.

QFT. Besides, after a certain point, ATA hits a point of diminishing return, so I normally prefer to not take the ATP or PP usage hit and go with SPS.

MelanyKoura
Nov 12, 2007, 07:25 AM
I've been using a HPC for my Fighgunner for a while and with this PP regen from melee attacks, I believe that the HPC may have been a good hunt now in the long run.

Yeah, sure, if you're impatient and can only spam PAs to do damage, yeah, constantly spend the money on chargers and do your thing; it's your choice.

But if you actually use normal attacks (and probably will use them more now) you'll get back some PP free of charge (unless we're talking harder difficulties, then maybe a good 100-500 damage slap depending on class and stuff).

So, yeah... I think HPC is going to be liked more now that the melee PP regen per hit thing is being implemented; the PP loss won't be so big of a deal. Especially if you use a normal combo before using a Skill.



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Sekani
Nov 12, 2007, 09:49 AM
Fighgunner with a PP Save? Noobs.

Any decent FI will be using both melee and ranged weaponry, and either of the PP saves will screw them over. A much better option is either the Solid/Power or Cati/Power.

darkante
Nov 12, 2007, 09:57 AM
On 2007-11-12 02:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Let's see..

HPC = FF
SPS = FG
PP Save = FI

All solved.


PP save on a FighGunner?
Donīt make me laugh...>.<

Zorafim
Nov 12, 2007, 11:49 AM
Considering all the armor switch people do, and considering how every cast should know how to switch SUVs, you should know it's a simple task to unequip a PP save unit before you use a gun.

SolomonGrundy
Nov 12, 2007, 12:12 PM
AT, AF, fG: SPS
fF: none of the above (the last thing fFs need is a Power unit)
WT/PT: HPC
GT/fG: Cati Power

Broodstar1337
Nov 12, 2007, 02:24 PM
On 2007-11-12 09:12, SolomonGrundy wrote:
AT, AF, fG: SPS
fF: none of the above (the last thing fFs need is a Power unit)
WT/PT: HPC
GT/fG: Cati Power




They don't need it. It'd be better to have, though

-Tidus_415-
Nov 12, 2007, 02:27 PM
HPC price has gone WAYYYYYY up from 3 mil (2 or so months ago) to 12 mil...

Orin654
Nov 12, 2007, 02:34 PM
SPS = No one. Im tired of seeing Zeros
HPC = Perfect for FG. Most Gun PP take a hella lot to deplete
Giga Skill Save = Perfect for FF and Fgh. Weapons PP deplete a hell of alot fast and If your teammates are a bit on the weak side you are gonna find your self using up PC quite often. The only time Ill bother using my HPC on my FF or FgH is when im at a boss. Giga Skill is worth its weight in gold for those long and hard missions.

-Ryuki-
Nov 12, 2007, 02:49 PM
PP Save on Fighs = noobish?

Okay.

Para
Nov 12, 2007, 02:53 PM
Cati for all situation imo. I hate to see myself missing hits. I would probably get Cati for Fighgunner just because they really need the ATA to pool from if you plan to integrate guns into your palette.

-Ryuki-
Nov 12, 2007, 02:56 PM
But Para, your Fi is a CAST. You naturally have good ATA. >.>

Para
Nov 12, 2007, 02:59 PM
I know that but Xbow Bullet Art ATA modifiers are capped at 60% *shudders*

Zael
Nov 12, 2007, 03:16 PM
On 2007-11-12 04:05, Remedy wrote:
Well yeah, another 40 damage... but at what cost? More 0s? More Photon Charges? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

I dunno. Use what you like, IMO :3


You can easily recharge PP by using normal attack.



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Lamak
Nov 12, 2007, 03:17 PM
I love Cati / Power, probably because I have one. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

CelestialBlade
Nov 12, 2007, 03:19 PM
I still don't understand where all this talk about donuts with SPS is coming from, I use a SPS on my Newearl Guntecher and I miss no more than I normally did without it. Considering she has something like 500 base ATA now, a -80 doesn't really matter at all. ATA is exponential, after a certain point you hit a point of diminishing return and what 100 ATA got you before, will get you far less as you go higher. However, ATP is linear gain, thus every point of ATP matters just as much as any other point, so I'd rather sacrifice ATA than ATP.

drizzle
Nov 12, 2007, 04:02 PM
Not just that, but most PAs and especially bullets have an ATA modifier well under 100% so the effective difference is much lower than 80. I use an SPS on my human, I can't really tell the difference in hit rate even as the low ATA wartecher. It's somewhere around 2-3%. The added damage is more than that.

RadiantLegend
Nov 12, 2007, 04:09 PM
I miss just as often without my Sps as a cast fF.

Dragwind
Nov 12, 2007, 04:43 PM
HPC when using fighters for me. I'll enjoy using normal attacks ;D

Shishi-O
Nov 12, 2007, 06:49 PM
On 2007-11-12 02:37, Zael wrote:
Meh, I don't really like Cati/Power. I think only having 25 or 40 less ATP then the other power units is a worse drawback than the -ATA or increased PP usage.

ditto

Shishi-O
Nov 12, 2007, 06:50 PM
On 2007-11-12 02:39, Remedy wrote:
*shrug* Unfortunately, meleers don't have a Solid / Quick for their arms, so I can't suggest that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

25 ATP is only, what, 5 damage, though? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

per combe or mech- each 8 ATP = a character lvl, I pwn the fuck outta everything and have no issues a refilling pp at the recharge crystal



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Shishi-O
Nov 12, 2007, 06:57 PM
i

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pikachief
Nov 12, 2007, 07:06 PM
On 2007-11-12 04:20, Typheros wrote:

On 2007-11-12 02:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Let's see..

HPC = FF
SPS = FG
PP Save = FI

All solved.

QFT. Besides, after a certain point, ATA hits a point of diminishing return, so I normally prefer to not take the ATP or PP usage hit and go with SPS.



PP save= GT?

CelestialBlade
Nov 12, 2007, 07:21 PM
On 2007-11-12 16:06, pikachief wrote:

On 2007-11-12 04:20, Typheros wrote:

On 2007-11-12 02:45, RyukiZero wrote:
Let's see..

HPC = FF
SPS = FG
PP Save = FI

All solved.

QFT. Besides, after a certain point, ATA hits a point of diminishing return, so I normally prefer to not take the ATP or PP usage hit and go with SPS.



PP save= GT?

Sounds like a waste to me. I'd rather carry around Photon Charges than sacrifice much-needed ATP as a GT.

-Ryuki-
Nov 12, 2007, 07:44 PM
I'd probably throw in a Sori/Tech Charge for a GT, for added boost of Resta. >.>
BUT! That's just me.

Mystil
Nov 12, 2007, 07:52 PM
I'd use either. ATA hit from SPS wont bother me much as I almost always attack from behind.

Rikka
Nov 12, 2007, 07:57 PM
If you dont care about slow runs and wanna waste time using normal hits go hpc, if you wanna go "yay big hit 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, yay I hit" http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif Go sps. Easily said, ata is underrated and you . reading some previous post and seeing the mention of cati/power, I say that is the best all around unit to have. You can spam PAs all the time still and hit fine, take beast male fF using jabroga with sps thats not gonna be as good of a result as to one with cati cause one hit in that pa will make the diffence over the 40 or 50 more damage per hit depending on how many misses you come down to.

Zael
Nov 12, 2007, 08:00 PM
lol... i don't even run out of charges USING HPC. Oh yeah and if you're a gunner class you can easily carry extra guns to make up for it in the case that 10 charges isn't enough for you. You're over-exaggerating it by a long shot.

Rikka
Nov 12, 2007, 08:15 PM
Really? Then I know whos not doing enough work in your groups. I have all the units and know them very well http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Zael
Nov 12, 2007, 08:23 PM
You're pretty stupid. Not enough work? If it takes 10 charges and all you weapons to clear a 1up mission or even most missions as a FF with HPC and a decent-sized party, someone's probably too busy not hitting everything with their PAs, or they're using crappy weapons that need more PAs to kill enemies. You haven't even played with me and you're making baseless assumptions like an idiot.

And GG bragging about your units. You sure look like an idol now. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

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9lotus
Nov 12, 2007, 08:27 PM
I would go with Cati / Power in all situations, I wouldn't sacrifice 80 ATA for an additional 25 ATP, and I don't think an additional 40 ATP is worth 50% increased PP usage.

Shishi-O
Nov 12, 2007, 10:19 PM
sure but I like killing things fast. No ata issues as ff.

Shishi-O
Nov 13, 2007, 12:00 AM
i dream of hard / all save ( even if it just ads +75 atp/ acc )

for it to do that it would have to be orpa wouldn't it

...k, i dream of orpa knight/ all save XD


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Mystil
Nov 13, 2007, 03:31 AM
On 2007-11-12 17:23, Zael wrote:
You're pretty stupid. Not enough work? If it takes 10 charges and all you weapons to clear a 1up mission or even most missions as a FF with HPC and a decent-sized party, someone's probably too busy not hitting everything with their PAs, or they're using crappy weapons that need more PAs to kill enemies. You haven't even played with me and you're making baseless assumptions like an idiot.

And GG bragging about your units. You sure look like an idol now. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

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I learned that it's commonly due to poor overall damage output of the rest of the party. You can be sporting 50%s...SPS, etc, but..it'll feel like you're soloing a whole run and blow through charges.

Winter_of_uno
Nov 13, 2007, 04:32 AM
PT=HPC ? That was a good one. If you're an fF who got tired from all the meleeing and only use bow in addition to your fF weps cause u don't wanna delete all your other PAs, it might work, but good luck with nades and laser.

Zael
Nov 13, 2007, 11:32 AM
On 2007-11-13 00:31, Mystil wrote:

On 2007-11-12 17:23, Zael wrote:
You're pretty stupid. Not enough work? If it takes 10 charges and all you weapons to clear a 1up mission or even most missions as a FF with HPC and a decent-sized party, someone's probably too busy not hitting everything with their PAs, or they're using crappy weapons that need more PAs to kill enemies. You haven't even played with me and you're making baseless assumptions like an idiot.

And GG bragging about your units. You sure look like an idol now. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif

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I learned that it's commonly due to poor overall damage output of the rest of the party. You can be sporting 50%s...SPS, etc, but..it'll feel like you're soloing a whole run and blow through charges.


Oh right, that could also be the case.

majan
Nov 13, 2007, 01:11 PM
throw the hard power.carry a few extra weapons.you will QUICKLY get used to switching your pallete with fresh weapons.it is worth it.you get a little bit extra power on top of the solid power,and you never have to worry about the -80 accuracy.

completely worth carrying around a few extra weapons.