Shotguns....they need some upgrades

[ChaosAngel92]

Well, i was thinking all the way back home from the university. Yes, i know we all love the shotguns on high levels, but still need something to make the perfect weapon.

I have been thinking, shotguns need 2 upgrades, some tiype of knockback, something like when you hit at 0
distance or hit a critical, push the enemy far away. I mean, come on is a shotgun, every game, even the earlier Quakes thay had a knockback.

And 2, a god bloody damn recharge sound. There is nothing more awesome that make the enemies fly away and hear that pure sound when you reload.

[Gemel]

I think in AoI shotguns get some kind of flinch or knockback in their normal attacks.

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[Rizen]

I like shotguns the way they are right now. I do agree about the reload sound though. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[SStrikerR]

they get flich like all other guns will have, whoopie.

[Anduril]

There is just something I don't understand about the shotguns in this game. If this is such an advanced civilization, why are the shotguns pump-action?

[Zorak000]

do they get another bullet at 31? >.>

[ChaosAngel92]

On 2007-11-12 17:49, Rizen wrote:
I like shotguns the way they are right now. I do agree about the reload sound though. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



To be honest, i was pretty dissapointed when i didint heard the sound when i first graved my shotgun on PSU.

[ChaosAngel92]

On 2007-11-12 17:51, Anduril wrote:
There is just something I don't understand about the shotguns in this game. If this is such an advanced civilization, why are the shotguns pump-action?



Umm, lol, define "pump-action".

[Anduril]

On 2007-11-12 17:53, ChaosAngel92 wrote:

On 2007-11-12 17:51, Anduril wrote:
There is just something I don't understand about the shotguns in this game. If this is such an advanced civilization, why are the shotguns pump-action?



Umm, lol, define "pump-action".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_action_shotgun
As opposed to a semi-automatic one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotguns#Semi-Automatic

[Carlo210]

Shotguns getting flinch is a big deal. Be happy.

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-12 17:51, Zorak000 wrote:
do they get another bullet at 31? >.>



no nothing happens to bullets or skills when they hit 31-40 except more acc and atp %

[RappyRobot]

shotguns are getting elemental boost in aoi which means they actually might outdamage cross bows http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Rashiid]

Any weapon %?

Like how 21+ cards have 25% when you attach it.

[pikachief]

yea i believe lvl 21+ shottys in the expansiona re 23%.... or maybe thats lasers....

[gryphonvii]

why cant they get sounds, because tenora guns in the expansion have sounds, like the handgun and mechgun.

[Rashiid]

Yohmei Lazy-Kannones get a new sound too http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[ChaosAngel92]

On 2007-11-12 17:58, Anduril wrote:

On 2007-11-12 17:53, ChaosAngel92 wrote:

On 2007-11-12 17:51, Anduril wrote:
There is just something I don't understand about the shotguns in this game. If this is such an advanced civilization, why are the shotguns pump-action?



Umm, lol, define "pump-action".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pump_action_shotgun
As opposed to a semi-automatic one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotguns#Semi-Automatic



Just as i though, sorry but since i speak spanish i couldnt understanded well.

Umm, guys to all of ya. I forgot to say, that i wasnt speaking of an upgrade like more billets or more aceleration or more damage. I was only talking about the looks, i incist, grab any shooting game you have and select then shotgun. Get closer to the enemie and bang! If it dosnt explode like on Conkey: Bad Fur Day, or DOOM, or QUAKE, they fly all over the screen. Thats why i was talking about some extra knockback.

[ChaosAngel92]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_barreled_shotgun i need a shotgun of this type now! T_T

[ChaosAngel92]

On 2007-11-12 18:12, Rashiid wrote:
Yohmei Lazy-Kannones get a new sound too http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif



REALLY!? wait, thats a joke right >.>

[Rashiid]

No, seriously, they do...

[pikachief]

they also shoot different looking bullets....

[ChaosAngel92]

Hmmm, i need a video with those shotguns, its a shame there isnt any A rank T_T

[Carlo210]

On 2007-11-12 18:13, ChaosAngel92 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_barreled_shotgun i need a shotgun of this type now! T_T


http://pwv.sakura.ne.jp/image/shotgun/shiggabaretsu00.jpg

The kubara version comes in all black, too.

And it shoots huge shotgun bullets (which look like bowling balls, lol)

http://pwv.sakura.ne.jp/image/shotgun/shiggabaretsu01.jpg

It's the 11* Tenora Shotgun, btw.

[Soukosa]

On 2007-11-12 17:46, Gemel wrote:
I think in AoI shotguns get some kind of flinch or knockback in their normal attacks.

All guns have always flinched. They probably just adjusted it so it takes less damage to cause flinching on guns than it did before since flinching is based on how much damage you do relative to the total HP of the target. Hell, even melee will cause flinching on low level enemies because of that. Guns and techs have just always had a boosted flinch potential over melee as an attention grabber.

[pikachief]

almost 2000 hours on my cast and i havent noticed any flinching on my guns http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

sometimes on rifles and mostly grenade launchers but no flinching on anything else.

and yes i've used up to 10*s of my weapons http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

i have noticed big flinching on low level monsters wiht guns though http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

but on higher lvl monsters there are 0 flinching http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[HFlowen]

On 2007-11-12 18:10, pikachief wrote:
yea i believe lvl 21+ shottys in the expansiona re 23%.... or maybe thats lasers....

Shotgun at level 40 is 23% element -- 185/180% atp -- 70% ata -- SE 2 -- 5 bullets

Xbow at 40 is 18% element -- 155/150% atp -- 60% ata -- SE 3 -- 3 bullets


So shotgun gains some ground in AoI, they both have their individual uses though.

[Dragwind]

When used right, they're already really damaging. Couple that with AoI flinch, bam. Awesome.

[jayster]

On 2007-11-12 19:14, Dragwind wrote:
When used right, they're already really damaging. Couple that with AoI flinch, bam. Awesome.



To add onto that, crossbows have 3 shots and hit 3 enemies. Shotguns have 5 shots but can hit around 7-10 enemies if they're spread right.

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-12 20:10, jayster wrote:

On 2007-11-12 19:14, Dragwind wrote:
When used right, they're already really damaging. Couple that with AoI flinch, bam. Awesome.



To add onto that, crossbows have 3 shots and hit 3 enemies. Shotguns have 5 shots but can hit around 7-10 enemies if they're spread right.



really? wow... well i wouldn't know anyways i usually just shoot behind everything to try to get all 5 shots to hit the enemy to try to make it worth using over my Xbow XD (i do love Xbows though http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif )

[darkante]

On 2007-11-12 17:45, ChaosAngel92 wrote:
Well, i was thinking all the way back home from the university. Yes, i know we all love the shotguns on high levels, but still need something to make the perfect weapon.

I have been thinking, shotguns need 2 upgrades, some tiype of knockback, something like when you hit at 0
distance or hit a critical, push the enemy far away. I mean, come on is a shotgun, every game, even the earlier Quakes thay had a knockback.

And 2, a god bloody damn recharge sound. There is nothing more awesome that make the enemies fly away and hear that pure sound when you reload.


Yeah, if they would get those cool sound effekts.
I would probably use it all the time. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[ChaosAngel92]

On 2007-11-12 18:45, Carlo210 wrote:

On 2007-11-12 18:13, ChaosAngel92 wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_barreled_shotgun i need a shotgun of this type now! T_T


http://pwv.sakura.ne.jp/image/shotgun/shiggabaretsu00.jpg

The kubara version comes in all black, too.

And it shoots huge shotgun bullets (which look like bowling balls, lol)

http://pwv.sakura.ne.jp/image/shotgun/shiggabaretsu01.jpg

It's the 11* Tenora Shotgun, btw.



I need that one, i have been looking that thing since 1up started.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-12 18:01, pikachief wrote:
no nothing happens to bullets or skills when they hit 31-40 except more acc and atp %Don't forget elemental percent. :3

[beatrixkiddo]

Shotguns already do more straight-up damage than Crossbows do, it's just the mobility and SE of Crossbows that makes them a slightly better option at the moment, in most cases.

[Rizen]

On 2007-11-12 21:16, beatrixkiddo wrote:
Shotguns already do more straight-up damage than Crossbows do, it's just the mobility and SE of Crossbows that makes them a slightly better option at the moment, in most cases.


Oh snap! He said it! Power to the shotguns!

[Libram]

On 2007-11-12 18:47, Soukosa wrote:

On 2007-11-12 17:46, Gemel wrote:
I think in AoI shotguns get some kind of flinch or knockback in their normal attacks.

All guns have always flinched. They probably just adjusted it so it takes less damage to cause flinching on guns than it did before since flinching is based on how much damage you do relative to the total HP of the target. Hell, even melee will cause flinching on low level enemies because of that. Guns and techs have just always had a boosted flinch potential over melee as an attention grabber.


What you are seeing is the flinching all attacks do on Rank C missions or anything with similar enemy behavior like Bruce's B or the split rooms in Deadly Brilliance. When you go to B Rank or higher you suddenly notice that all that flinching goes away. The only thing that causes flinching now for normal attacks and bullets are the final hit of a standard melee combo and rifles/bows.

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-12 21:18, Rizen wrote:

On 2007-11-12 21:16, beatrixkiddo wrote:
Shotguns already do more straight-up damage than Crossbows do, it's just the mobility and SE of Crossbows that makes them a slightly better option at the moment, in most cases.


Oh snap! He said it! Power to the shotguns!



well my shotty only does more dammage if every one of my shotty hits.... dont miss. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

that doesnt always happen though -_- sometimes even 3 shots miss. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Hatemachine]

Man this event gave me what I've been lookin for.

A shotgun that doesnt look like a dense supersoaker.

Those shigga destas have made my freakin day they LOOK like a shotgun that needs the pump action kinda like the leopard print on the side of the gun too just kinda neat.

And people on the ex missions actually get pissed at me when I closerange blast some poor badira/ageeta/go vahra into oblivion while they wasted PP on an attack tech or PA.

All and all if they get any stronger as seems the case im gonna love puttin that shotty into some grass assassins mouth and blasting him so hard his arms fall off for my fighunner to use.

ROCK ON SHOTTY USERS

[lethe]

On 2007-11-13 02:07, Hatemachine wrote:
Man this event gave me what I've been lookin for.

A shotgun that doesnt look like a dense supersoaker.

Those shigga destas have made my freakin day they LOOK like a shotgun that needs the pump action kinda like the leopard print on the side of the gun too just kinda neat.

And people on the ex missions actually get pissed at me when I closerange blast some poor badira/ageeta/go vahra into oblivion while they wasted PP on an attack tech or PA.

All and all if they get any stronger as seems the case im gonna love puttin that shotty into some grass assassins mouth and blasting him so hard his arms fall off for my fighunner to use.

ROCK ON SHOTTY USERS



I miss that weapon http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[DesertGunner]

Gi Gue Bazooka was better.

[Rashiid]

On 2007-11-12 20:56, ChaosAngel92 wrote:I need that one, i have been looking that thing since 1up started.

So far our 2 found on the 360 have phailed http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[panzer_unit]

Shotguns are going to rock with flinching... it'll make it easier for hunters to get their job done when you can just stand back a bit and flinch the entire room.

[Alisha]

shotguns are easily my favorite gun type. i've always appreciated the skill it takes to use them effectively as opposed to crossbows.

[Zael]

As the level cap goes up along with everyone's Base ATP, shotguns are going to get a lot more powerful then they are now.

[Kelvie]

Shotguns would need some kind of a knockback... for the user.
Might not help the dps (quite the opposite in fact) but it would make the reload animation worth something to have the character slightly moving back while reloading because of the recoil of the previous shot.
Having the character standing still like an idiot while pumping kinda annoys me.

[panzer_unit]

I bet shotguns are pretty wicked after the 16th... bunch of monsters + charm + zoldeel + skill boost = point blank Just Counter insanity.

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-13 10:02, panzer_unit wrote:
I bet shotguns are pretty wicked after the 16th... bunch of monsters + charm + zoldeel + skill boost = point blank Just Counter insanity.



Interesting thought. It's just too bad Just Counter isn't a guaranteed crit for rangers like it is for fighters. Fuck you very much ST...

[panzer_unit]

On the other hand it's a direct INCREASE to our rate of attack, rather than forcing us to restart our PA combos.

[Miyuki-chan]

Also if you get close enough to multi-target monsters you can potentially get a total of 10 hits (full 5 on each point). I regularly do this on Polavohra with my Caseal Guntecher. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif You just have to be in the right spot for it to work (which happens to be either of it's shoulders right beside it's head).

[Carlo210]

Lol guns not being able to JA...
Let's hope (shot)gunners can keep up with JA-ing meleers.