Upcoming Illuminus system update information!

[EspioKaos]

Official English site (http://www.phantasystaruniverse.com/community_quests.php?item=20071113a)

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

EDIT: Apparently my level of excitement makes me misspell stuff. D:

EDIT#2: Changed the subject line.


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[xJermariox]

Theres goes my Friday morning fun...

[HFlowen]

=D

[Rizen]

What the heck!?! OMG! ITS IN ENGLISH FOR ONCE?!

[DraginHikari]

Noz way...

[RedCoKid]

On 2007-11-13 13:20, EspioKaos wrote:
Officlal English site (http://www.phantasystaruniverse.com/community_quests.php?item=20071113a)

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif


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lol, nice edit. I was about to ask, "Why the frown?"

[HFlowen]

THE STA AND EXP UPDATE!

I'm glad they didn't forget. Looks like everything is there.

[Shiryuu]

lol wtf? Why is Hanzo the only to get a bonus?

[HFlowen]

"Bonus Damage Using Kubara Melee Weapons With Photon Arts: Now all Kubara melee weapons are especially effective when using Photon Arts."

This is the removal of the 10% reduction right? Or is being increased beyond this...?

Can't wait to test.

[Remedy]

Righteous. Most righteous.

I wonder if the increased droprate on area drops is on the 16th or 20th...

[White_Mage]

wheeee.yay! its almost here and is this like the biggest update in psu or no.well it probably is for me but either way this is sweet!

[HFlowen]

So many things to test....

Too bad I have a business trip on the 21st, but I can still play with the base system changes.

[Rizen]

AND ITS IN ENGLISH!

[ThEoRy]

As Marv Albert would say, "YES!"

[Remedy]

Minor question: What the hell are they talking about when they mention the Hanzo?

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-11-13 13:26, Remedy wrote:
Righteous. Most righteous.

I wonder if the increased droprate on area drops is on the 16th or 20th...

I'd wager the 16st.

[McLaughlin]

Espio, you may want to change the Topic Tag to PS2/PC. 360 players won't see this update until the 20th.

[HFlowen]

One thing I don't see specifically is shop items.

EX burn trap and S grinder boards to be specific. I guess that's in the aoi live update under "Many other new items are also in shops!"



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[Totti]

*Edit*


"On the discussion of the Hanzo..."

They were fans of Kill Bill, apparently...



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[mizukage]

Illuminus....

[spoiler-box] http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif [/spoiler-box]

[DraginHikari]

More damage with PA it sounds like but I've never even heard of that....

[beatrixkiddo]

S Boards? Clarify.

[Carlo210]

Where's forest and caves, etc?

[HFlowen]

Whoops, that should've said S "grinder" boards.

[Trinitaria]

Argh !! I have a test on the 16th !!! D: Whyyyyyyy!?!?

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ;-;

[EspioKaos]

On 2007-11-13 13:37, Obsidian_Knight wrote:
Espio, you may want to change the Topic Tag to PS2/PC. 360 players won't see this update until the 20th.

Good point. I've generalized the subject line so that it covers both versions. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[EspioKaos]

On 2007-11-13 13:38, Carlo210 wrote:
Where's forest and caves, etc?


Next year.

[Carlo210]

On 2007-11-13 13:41, EspioKaos wrote:

On 2007-11-13 13:38, Carlo210 wrote:
Where's forest and caves, etc?


Next year.


Well that's silly and stupid.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-13 13:37, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
I'd wager the 16st.Well, regardless, I'm camping out at Raffon Meadow during maintenance. Wonder how long it'll take to make me hit 110 DFP.

...A 100/10 FT has how much armor again? Maybe I can get a Rabol Rappy, use that until I can wear my 28% Asted.

[DraginHikari]

It's part of the future updates in JPN release schedule can't remember which month now XD

[panzer_unit]

players can automatically critical with their whole Photon Art if it is activated after the second part of a normal melee attack. As a result of this, Just Attack will work a maximum of five times continuously (Normal melee attack, followed up with the 2nd and 3rd part of the normal attack chain, then 1st, 2nd and 3rd Photon Art attacks)
...
Photon Points of your equipped melee weapon will recharge when attacking normally (without using Photon Arts). Extra PP are recovered with a critical hit.


Did anyone else see either of these? You have to throw two normal attacks (one critical, sure) in order to get your PA to deal critical damage. That's a serious limitation.

Woot for the Hanzo and Kubara melee weapon bonuses. Why Hanzo? I guess it has to do with the synth % penalty for swords? I wonder how big the bonus is....

... now I've got to go and replace my sword collection to a bunch of elemental Sodadocs. Oh so sexy.

[Pengfishh]

On 2007-11-13 13:32, ThEoRy wrote:
As Marv Albert would say, "YES!"



Marv Albert says "YUS!"

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-13 13:43, panzer_unit wrote:

players can automatically critical with their whole Photon Art if it is activated after the second part of a normal melee attack. As a result of this, Just Attack will work a maximum of five times continuously (Normal melee attack, followed up with the 2nd and 3rd part of the normal attack chain, then 1st, 2nd and 3rd Photon Art attacks)
...
Photon Points of your equipped melee weapon will recharge when attacking normally (without using Photon Arts). Extra PP are recovered with a critical hit.


Did anyone else see either of these? You have to throw two normal attacks (one critical, sure) in order to get your PA to deal critical damage. That's a serious limitation.

Woot for the Hanzo and Kubara melee weapon bonuses. Why Hanzo? I guess it has to do with the synth % penalty for swords? I wonder how big the bonus is....

... now I've got to go and replace my sword collection to a bunch of elemental Sodadocs. Oh so sexy.



limitation???

how else can u execute a TIMED attack without hitting the enemy once before!? XD

and boo for no 360!

[HFlowen]

He's saying you have to use 2 normal attacks before activating a PA to just attack.

As opposed to using one swing, then a PA.

EDIT: That whole paragraph seems oddly worded to me though.

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[beatrixkiddo]

To clarify, since it's a bit of a sloppy translation:

Just Attack does not need to work like that. You can hit ONCE normally, then launch your PA.

Kubara does not get a BOOST per se, but rather a removal of the 10% Penalty. If there truly IS a boost, they left the 10% Penalty in and added just the right amount of a boost to counteract it, which is silly http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Hunter/Ranger/Force WILL go beyond 10. However, they don't gain additional stats from doing so.

[EspioKaos]

On 2007-11-13 13:42, Carlo210 wrote:
Well that's silly and stupid.

I'm sure you'll get over it. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif Besides, there will be plenty of other new stuff for us to do in less than a week.

The Japanese servers are scheduled to see the PSO stages next month during an event called Maximum Attack G, so we probably won't see them until spring 2008.

[HFlowen]

On 2007-11-13 13:48, beatrixkiddo wrote:
since it's a bit of a sloppy translation:
Glad I wasn't the only one that thought it looked funny.

[Xaeris]

Chat Availability: Chat communication becomes available during some event cutscenes, such as boss enemy entrances.

Amazing how such a simple little thing can make me go "Hell yes!"

[HFlowen]

Hmm, wonder if I can use protranser S ranks on the 16th or the 20th...

[Remedy]

I would imagine it depends on your platform. We'll find out in less than 60 hours. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[Shou]

lol @ X-Box http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[stukasa]

Best update ever? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

We've known about this for a while, but somehow it didn't seem "real" until just now. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-13 13:54, HFlowen wrote:
Hmm, wonder if I can use protranser S ranks on the 16th or the 20th...



20th! or at least for us it is http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

me and my friend were planning on staying up all night and playing it the second its done. If they're doing maintenance that big i guess we cant http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[HFlowen]

Now I know what happened during the pre-aoi updates in japan, and what happen in the aoi launch update but... there is a sense of vague-ness in this English version.

Like the items I mentioned, and wtf? Shop search?

[Remedy]

Don't analyze it so deeply, Flowen. Just wait with baited breath and child-like expectation for the 16th (or the 20th if you're so unfortunate as to be on 360, in this case) and find out then.

It's like Christmas, but a month early! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[HFlowen]

I just wanna know what I can do and when. >.o

Doesn't matter too much I guess, my hand is still messed up, I can't really play.

[panzer_unit]

On 2007-11-13 13:48, beatrixkiddo wrote:
To clarify, since it's a bit of a sloppy translation:

Just Attack does not need to work like that. You can hit ONCE normally, then launch your PA.

Kubara does not get a BOOST per se, but rather a removal of the 10% Penalty. If there truly IS a boost, they left the 10% Penalty in and added just the right amount of a boost to counteract it, which is silly http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

About the JA and PP regen systems... I'd heard differently from people who played AOI too, the official site spells things out VERY specifically which is kinda weird for mis-information.

Kubara weapon PA bonus... it's only a bonuc if they just mean the removal of a penalty. On the other hand they say the same thing for Hanzo. A 10% bonus on total ATP for Hanzo would = the ATP difference with Caliburn, or more as you get stronger. Huge Cutter only has 200 more ATP. On the other hand Hanzo's got pretty terrible ATA.

Might these be changes that will be applied in Japan around the same time too? Any mention on the JP site? What about the JP version of XBox update info?



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[Jinto117]

On 2007-11-13 13:37, Obsidian_Knight wrote:
Espio, you may want to change the Topic Tag to PS2/PC. 360 players won't see this update until the 20th.



I know, totally gay.

[Carlo210]

If you want the first part of your PA to JA and crit, you'll need to open up the combo beforehand by attacking normally once.
Thassit.

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[Rizen]

For other upcomings in JP servers, look at this thread Espio posted a bit back:
http://www.pso-world.com/viewtopic.php?topic=157133&forum=20&91

[pikachief]

you can JA up to 5 hits it says....

u hit once regularly, then u time the other 2 hits and the PA combos...

wats so confusing about that? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Keiko_Seisha]

On 2007-11-13 13:42, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-13 13:37, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
I'd wager the 16st.Well, regardless, I'm camping out at Raffon Meadow during maintenance. Wonder how long it'll take to make me hit 110 DFP.


IIRC (or heard correctly) don't all players now start in their room regardless of where they logged out? Does that take effect with this update? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[panzer_unit]

That commits you to a long, weak start-up depending on the weapon you're using. Twin claws (esp. for guys), swords, axes... ironically you can go from one normal attack into a PA attack SUPER FAST with Axe, but the second is godawful slow.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-13 14:15, Keiko_Seisha wrote:
IIRC (or heard correctly) don't all players now start in their room regardless of where they logged out? Does that take effect with this update? Correct me if I'm wrong.Well, I'm gonna camp out at Raffon regardless. Whether I wake up still on Parum or not is another matter, I guess.

[Neith]

This calls for a joygasm http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Ok 1Up Cup, I've had fun, now kindly finish so I can Hulk Smash Pannons with Just Attack http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-13 14:38, UrikoBB3 wrote:
This calls for a joygasm http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Ok 1Up Cup, I've had fun, now kindly finish so I can Gizonde Storm Pannons with Just Counter http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[Mystil]

Have to be there after the update.

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-13 14:33, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-13 14:15, Keiko_Seisha wrote:
IIRC (or heard correctly) don't all players now start in their room regardless of where they logged out? Does that take effect with this update? Correct me if I'm wrong.Well, I'm gonna camp out at Raffon regardless. Whether I wake up still on Parum or not is another matter, I guess.



but cant we jsut transport there or do u have to have been there AFTER the update?

[RadiantLegend]

"woot" woot "woot"

[Keiko_Seisha]

On 2007-11-13 14:42, pikachief wrote:

On 2007-11-13 14:33, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-13 14:15, Keiko_Seisha wrote:
IIRC (or heard correctly) don't all players now start in their room regardless of where they logged out? Does that take effect with this update? Correct me if I'm wrong.Well, I'm gonna camp out at Raffon regardless. Whether I wake up still on Parum or not is another matter, I guess.



but cant we jsut transport there or do u have to have been there AFTER the update?



After, but it's not like it's a long quest to get there, just Mad Creatures. But hey, I know first place I'm going (AoI that is, not after this update) is towards the hot springs. So I know I gotta head there so I can go ahead and transport.

[Golto]

I can't connect to the site to see exactly what is in the 16th update.

So do we, pc/ps2, have to wait for the 20/21st update for snyth time reduction, lvl 110 cap, lvl 15 type cap, and lvl 40 pa caps?

[Para]

No we at the PC/PS2 get it on the 16.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-13 14:46, Golto wrote:
So do we, pc/ps2, have to wait for the 20/21st update for snyth time reduction, lvl 110 cap, lvl 15 type cap, and lvl 40 pa caps?No, no, no, and yes.

[Mystil]

On 2007-11-13 14:45, Keiko_Seisha wrote:

On 2007-11-13 14:42, pikachief wrote:

On 2007-11-13 14:33, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-13 14:15, Keiko_Seisha wrote:
IIRC (or heard correctly) don't all players now start in their room regardless of where they logged out? Does that take effect with this update? Correct me if I'm wrong.Well, I'm gonna camp out at Raffon regardless. Whether I wake up still on Parum or not is another matter, I guess.



but cant we jsut transport there or do u have to have been there AFTER the update?



After, but it's not like it's a long quest to get there, just Mad Creatures. But hey, I know first place I'm going (AoI that is, not after this update) is towards the hot springs. So I know I gotta head there so I can go ahead and transport.



It'll be a quest for me. I'm going to:

Ice area in moatoob, whatever it;s called(went there for one of the PSOW meets)

Agata Relics area
The lakeshore
Lake Denes.

Gotta get those areas where you gotta cross 500,000 galaxies to get to, out of the way.

[Fornever]

On 2007-11-13 14:50, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-13 14:46, Golto wrote:
So do we, pc/ps2, have to wait for the 20/21st update for snyth time reduction, lvl 110 cap, lvl 15 type cap, and lvl 40 pa caps?No, no, no, and yes.

Huh?
Its no, yes, yes, and no

[Carlo210]

40 PA caps is AOTI, but the rest is normal PSU updated stuff.

[Golto]

Thanks for the answers http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-13 15:07, Carlo210 wrote:
40 PA caps is AOTI, but the rest is normal PSU updated stuff.



no caps are 40 in PSU as well but spells dont look differnet unless your playing on AOI http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Remedy]

Really now. Good to know.

[Nai_Calus]

SoA needs to retake their ESL classes. Second part my foot. *normal hit, JA first part of PA combo, JA second, JA third if there is one* You can also, yes, JA the second and third parts of the normal combo and then JA the PA off the last hit, but this is slightly more tricky and with most weapons not worth doing. (Honestly, the only one I can see it being worth doing on is Double Saber.)

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-11-13 15:27, Ian-KunX wrote:
SoA needs to retake their ESL classes. Second part my foot. *normal hit, JA first part of PA combo, JA second, JA third if there is one* You can also, yes, JA the second and third parts of the normal combo and then JA the PA off the last hit, but this is slightly more tricky and with most weapons not worth doing. (Honestly, the only one I can see it being worth doing on is Double Saber.)

So, because you think it isn't worth doing, that means they translated it wrong? K.

[Vashyron]

Hmm...[spoiler-box]SO I DON'T HAVE 20th TO GO SYNTHESIZE MAD!? WOOO![/spoiler-box]

[Remedy]

Yes, but we might not get our 1UP Cup rewards on the 16th. Be careful before you go hog wild. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Dragwind]

I'd rather wait for the bonus.

[Zorafim]

On 2007-11-13 15:30, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
So, because you think it isn't worth doing, that means they translated it wrong? K.



You know, your name really suits you well.

[Rashiid]

Huzzah for ZOMG ITS ALMOST HERE!

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-13 15:49, Rashiid wrote:
Huzzah for ZOMG ITS ALMOST HERE!



me and rashiid will just sit in the club..... in limbo.... the time before AOI updates yet after 1up O.o

well or maybe well just play some halo 3.... idk i dont play with him http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[WBMike]

Someone explain this Better..

Weapons Drop With Elemental Attributes: Attributes will be added with random percentages when whole weapons and armors are dropped. Which attribute is added for actual weapons and armors depends upon the manufacturer.

We synth a weapon, then we drop it, and it automagically gets an attribute based on the brand?

Elemental Attribute Calculation Changes: The difference in damage between weapons with different elemental attributes has been reduced. With this update, the damage will be almost the same when using 50% elemental weapons against the correct element, as it was previously. However, players will notice damage is much improved for weapons with low attributes, no attribute, or against creatures with the same attribute as your weapon.

So weapons with no attribute hits an enemy with no attribute, then we get more damage from before?
Huh what? And elemental weapons damage more closer to the non elemental weapons when you fight an enemy with the same attribute?

[IsoDonk]

On 2007-11-13 14:05, panzer_unit wrote:
Kubara weapon PA bonus... it's only a bonuc [...]


Brilliant.

[Deissa]

On 2007-11-13 15:58, WBMike wrote:
Someone explain this Better..

Weapons Drop With Elemental Attributes: Attributes will be added with random percentages when whole weapons and armors are dropped. Which attribute is added for actual weapons and armors depends upon the manufacturer.

We synth a weapon, then we drop it, and it automagically gets an attribute based on the brand?

No, when a weapon drops whole from an enemy, it is assigned a random element, and if it's not neutral, a random percentage.



Elemental Attribute Calculation Changes: The difference in damage between weapons with different elemental attributes has been reduced. With this update, the damage will be almost the same when using 50% elemental weapons against the correct element, as it was previously. However, players will notice damage is much improved for weapons with low attributes, no attribute, or against creatures with the same attribute as your weapon.

So weapons with no attribute hits an enemy with no attribute, then we get more damage from before?
Huh what? And elemental weapons damage more closer to the non elemental weapons when you fight an enemy with the same attribute?


To put it simply, lower percents on a weapon will do more than they did before. 50% weps will still do pretty much the same.

[Deissa]

It was probably just easier for them to do it that way.

[Helly]

Protranser Gains Detect Traps Ability: Traps, previously only detected by goggles, are now always visible to Protransers. However, goggles are required to uncover and disarm traps.

Been meaning to ask this for awhile but.... WHY ^_^?

[Rizen]

On 2007-11-13 16:17, Helly wrote:

Protranser Gains Detect Traps Ability: Traps, previously only detected by goggles, are now always visible to Protransers. However, goggles are required to uncover and disarm traps.

Been meaning to ask this for awhile but.... WHY ^_^?


Not sure, but at least it is helpful when you are trying to avoid or locate traps.

[HFlowen]

Those stupid ground traps that come up and stun you are what annoy me the most.

[Rayokarna]

Please hope that the EU AOI release date was a mistake >.<
(Then again it goes both ways...the might push it back further ><)

Hopefully there release date was a joke...I really want to play AOI, all my friends are gonna disappear after release date ><. These updates remind on how much I want it.

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

On 2007-11-13 15:49, Zorafim wrote:

On 2007-11-13 15:30, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
So, because you think it isn't worth doing, that means they translated it wrong? K.



You know, your name really suits you well.

Ian said it, not I.

Anyway, how'd leveling your alt go? We finally did get a party that could finish EX, but then everyone went to sleep.

[Ken_Silver]

this update if Freakin' Sweet! and soon enough, there will be AOI. Life is good http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Zorafim]

On 2007-11-13 16:24, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
Ian said it, not I.

Anyway, how'd leveling your alt go? We finally did get a party that could finish EX, but then everyone went to sleep.




I never said that Ian said I.

My alt's at 23 now, but I'm not so focused on her level as I am her job levels. Both hunter and force are at 10, so I just need ranger and I'll be done with this event.

[Rashiid]

On 2007-11-13 15:50, pikachief wrote:

On 2007-11-13 15:49, Rashiid wrote:
Huzzah for ZOMG ITS ALMOST HERE!



me and rashiid will just sit in the club..... in limbo.... the time before AOI updates yet after 1up O.o

well or maybe well just play some halo 3.... idk i dont play with him http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



LoL, your an odd kid http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
We can limbo all day in the Casino http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sexy_Raine]

Not a complaint or to start anything, why are we on PC/PS2 getting this on Friday before the actually game releases? Just wondering, again not starting anything.



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[Zorak000]

On 2007-11-13 13:42, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-13 13:37, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
...
...

...A 100/10 FT has how much armor again? Maybe I can get a Rabol Rappy, use that until I can wear my 28% Asted.



about 86-87 DPF. RR needs 96-ish... so no... (I had similar plans for the rabol rappy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif )

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-13 16:22, Rayokarna wrote:
Please hope that the EU AOI release date was a mistake >.<
(Then again it goes both ways...the might push it back further ><)

Hopefully there release date was a joke...I really want to play AOI, all my friends are gonna disappear after release date ><. These updates remind on how much I want it.



hhhmm? maybe u can ask your friends to play the old PSU levels with u every once in a while http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[beatrixkiddo]

On 2007-11-13 17:30, Sexy_Raine wrote:
Not a complaint or to start anything, why are we on PC/PS2 getting this on Friday before the actually game releases? Just wondering, again not starting anything.



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These system updates were meant to be before AotI launches, just like in Japan.

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-13 18:15, beatrixkiddo wrote:

On 2007-11-13 17:30, Sexy_Raine wrote:
Not a complaint or to start anything, why are we on PC/PS2 getting this on Friday before the actually game releases? Just wondering, again not starting anything.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Sexy_Raine on 2007-11-13 17:32 ]</font>


These system updates were meant to be before AotI launches, just like in Japan.



no the JP gettin it the day it came out!!



......on 360 http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[HFlowen]

360 tends to be a step behind on system updates since they have more red tape to go through.

[Nai_Calus]

On 2007-11-13 15:30, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
So, because you think it isn't worth doing, that means they translated it wrong? K.



Your name suits you well. XP

Did you... Actually *read* my post? Or the earlier posts talking about the stupid misinfo on the site?


players can automatically critical with their whole Photon Art if it is activated after the second part of a normal melee attack.

This is stating that I have to do the first two hits of a normal combo before I can JA. This is incorrect, I need only do one. (Some weapons have such a weird timing window for the second hit of the regular combo, however, that it can be less annoying simply to wait until after the second hit - JAing the second hit of the Double Saber combo, or JAing a PA out of it, drives me nuts and I usually just use the first two hits and JA a PA after that.)

Further mentioned is the *correct* information that yes, you can JA five times in a row. This is the part that is not wrong. First hit, JA second, JA third, JA first hit of a PA off of that, JA the second hit, JA the third. With most weapons, this is not worth doing and it's much faster and more efficient to simply do the first normal combo hit and go directly into the PA from there. The timing for JAing into a PA directly after the end of a full normal combo also tends to be a pain in the ass, and unless it's a fast weapon, you've probably already been interrupted anyway.

So: First part. Incorrect statement. Second part: Correct statement, but IMO not worth doing.

Completely separate things.

(You can also JC into a JA chain and crit up to 6 times.)

But no, you do not have to use a normal attack twice to JA a PA.

[Sasamichan]

Hmm, seems like just attack and just counter is still the offical name in the english version, which is retarded. Oh well. I still call them timed attack and counter attack.

[Yoshi_Ayarane]

On 2007-11-14 01:23, Sasamichan wrote:
Hmm, seems like just attack and just counter is still the offical name in the english version, which is retarded. Oh well. I still call them timed attack and counter attack.



Timed Attack = I have flashbacks of Super Mario RPG XD;

...oh, wait...

[Shishi-O]

Changes to first person view / goggle, based on timing,... Bye bye glitches, but thanx zt no luck.

It was good times

[RemiusTA]

The update dealing with Hanzo dealing more Photon damage really makes me happy, because that indicates most of the new rares (and perhaps old ones) will be given new attributes rather than just higher ATP/ATA.

And at this point im guessing 1-100 will be similar to PSO leveling, and 101-200 will be similar to 1-100 in current psu, perhaps a bit harder.

[panzer_unit]

On 2007-11-13 20:47, Ian-KunX wrote:
Did you... Actually *read* my post? Or the earlier posts talking about the stupid misinfo on the site?


Technically it's not mis-info until it's provably wrong.

[Nai_Calus]

...It IS provably wrong. I've been playing AoI for a month and a half now. Oh, wait, right, I forgot, you think nothing exists until it's on the US version, right. Nevermind, just ignore the person who's been using AoI and the JA system for a month and a half now and actually knows what they're talking about...

[Vashyron]

On 2007-11-13 15:34, Remedy wrote:
Yes, but we might not get our 1UP Cup rewards on the 16th. Be careful before you go hog wild. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



DOH!

Oh Yeah never thought of that. >_<

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

[panzer_unit]

On 2007-11-14 08:03, Ian-KunX wrote:
...It IS provably wrong. I've been playing AoI for a month and a half now. Oh, wait, right, I forgot, you think nothing exists until it's on the US version, right. Nevermind, just ignore the person who's been using AoI and the JA system for a month and a half now and actually knows what they're talking about...


Hear me saying "OMG SEGA FUCKED AXES AND SWORDS WITH JUST ATTACK"? No. That's me giving you some credit, more than you deserve given that insufferable ragging in the quote up there.

The official site says this and that about JA's, along with a whole bunch of other information I haven't heard about at all from the JP side. Some internet fanboy says it's wrong about JA's. It's not life or death that I act on this information RIGHT NAO so I'll wait the three days and check for my goddamned self, thanks. Anybody not retarded will do the same thing.


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[Zorafim]

That's strange... I see flames, but I see no arguments...

[LTrav2k]

On 2007-11-13 13:43, panzer_unit wrote:

players can automatically critical with their whole Photon Art if it is activated after the second part of a normal melee attack. As a result of this, Just Attack will work a maximum of five times continuously (Normal melee attack, followed up with the 2nd and 3rd part of the normal attack chain, then 1st, 2nd and 3rd Photon Art attacks)
...
Photon Points of your equipped melee weapon will recharge when attacking normally (without using Photon Arts). Extra PP are recovered with a critical hit.


Did anyone else see either of these? You have to throw two normal attacks (one critical, sure) in order to get your PA to deal critical damage. That's a serious limitation.

Woot for the Hanzo and Kubara melee weapon bonuses. Why Hanzo? I guess it has to do with the synth % penalty for swords? I wonder how big the bonus is....

... now I've got to go and replace my sword collection to a bunch of elemental Sodadocs. Oh so sexy.



The way it reads, that says that if you JA the skill after the two normal attacks... the entire PA will critical on its own without having to slow it down to JA speed.

Because JA is part of the combat system I'm quite sure you'll be able to start with a normal attack and JA each part of the PA skill manually if you want to start it sooner (at least you would when I played the timeshare)... the top option just makes criting easier on a frozen/stunned/knocked down mob.

The maximum is the number of moves we could string together anyways... unless you started with a Just Counter, which doesn't change that amount of times that JA would work.

[Kietrinia]

..I'm wondering where the shop stuff is too o.o

[Kylie]

Nice. Can't believe it's just a week from today.

[beatrixkiddo]

On 2007-11-14 08:03, Ian-KunX wrote:
...It IS provably wrong. I've been playing AoI for a month and a half now. Oh, wait, right, I forgot, you think nothing exists until it's on the US version, right. Nevermind, just ignore the person who's been using AoI and the JA system for a month and a half now and actually knows what they're talking about...



You know, there's ways to explain something you know, that other's don't, in a way that doesn't make you look like a raging cunt! Try searching some of Lyrise's posts, or mine, or EspioKaos'. It might be just the thing you were aiming for.

[GuardianElite]

probably trying to get people to use lower star weps ^-^;

[Vitamin_D]

On 2007-11-14 09:31, Kietrinia wrote:
..I'm wondering where the shop stuff is too o.o



Yeah me as well. It's not listed as one of the AotI features either. Though I'm confident AotI will have it. I hope Friday's update has it, it was one of the updates I was REALLY looking forward to.

[Dan121887]

I have a question for all the Japanese players with AoI right now. I was wondering if on launch players had the ability to put their PAs back into disks to transfer between characters,

I read something about this a while back, but I can't find the topic now and there is no mention of it on the PSU website. If this is true then I can rid of my human and make a beast.

[Konstanse_Xx]

You can transport between characters yes.

[angemaru]

the hanzo shall be stronger that any s4 rank weapon and they will wipe 75% of all hanzos from server chars to MAKE it rare !!!

IT WILL GIVE U 7623 atp and 9804 ata AND HAVE INSTA DEATH AT A 69% chance !!! RAWRRR !!!!

maybe ...
not really ... XD

[landman]

Changes To First Person View And Goggle Activation: This adjustment will cause a delay when switching between normal camera, first-person and goggle viewing modes.
I hope this means NO MORE MACHINEGUN GLITCH, a part from the Laser Cannon glitch

[Hokokaru]

Woot!! JA here i come!!!

[Dracos]

Weapon Grinding Changes: Weapons no longer break when a grinding upgrade attempt fails. However, grind status will be reset (back to zero) and the maximum number of grinds is lowered by one. For example, the first time you fail when grinding a weapon, its grind status will become 0/9, and it can no longer be ground to +10.

Does this mean if im at 6 and i want to grind to 7, and i fail, I go back to 0 and now i can only get to 9?

[Deissa]

On 2007-11-14 18:24, Dracos wrote:
Weapon Grinding Changes: Weapons no longer break when a grinding upgrade attempt fails. However, grind status will be reset (back to zero) and the maximum number of grinds is lowered by one. For example, the first time you fail when grinding a weapon, its grind status will become 0/9, and it can no longer be ground to +10.

Does this mean if im at 6 and i want to grind to 7, and i fail, I go back to 0 and now i can only get to 9?


Yes, exactly. Then +8 max after another failure, and so on, until you can't ever grind it... though 0>1 is usually a gimme anyway, so if you get it to 0/0, well.

[beatrixkiddo]

Yes, exactly so.

[Rizen]

On 2007-11-14 18:24, Dracos wrote:
Weapon Grinding Changes: Weapons no longer break when a grinding upgrade attempt fails. However, grind status will be reset (back to zero) and the maximum number of grinds is lowered by one. For example, the first time you fail when grinding a weapon, its grind status will become 0/9, and it can no longer be ground to +10.

Does this mean if im at 6 and i want to grind to 7, and i fail, I go back to 0 and now i can only get to 9?



Correct.

[Dracos]

Thats sucks, but i guess its better than losing a weapon?

[Deissa]

Oh, it's tons better for sure.

[Hokokaru]

On 2007-11-14 18:26, Cadamar wrote:

On 2007-11-14 18:24, Dracos wrote:
Weapon Grinding Changes: Weapons no longer break when a grinding upgrade attempt fails. However, grind status will be reset (back to zero) and the maximum number of grinds is lowered by one. For example, the first time you fail when grinding a weapon, its grind status will become 0/9, and it can no longer be ground to +10.

Does this mean if im at 6 and i want to grind to 7, and i fail, I go back to 0 and now i can only get to 9?


Yes, exactly. Then +8 max after another failure, and so on, until you can't ever grind it... though 0>1 is usually a gimme anyway, so if you get it to 0/0, well.
I am soooo gonna try that XD

[Dracos]

Sounds scary, but with out risk there are no rewards, or i might just get a bunch of crappy weapons

[Deissa]

Scary was when you had the chance of losing a weapon forever http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif
Getting x/9 or x/8 isn't quite the end of the world. Gives less of an excuse to not grind weps either.

[Dracos]

You make sense, now i am READY!

[McLaughlin]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[Rizen]

On 2007-11-14 19:09, Obsidian_Knight wrote:
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.


QFT.

Really, theres no reason not to grind now. If you don't care about the extra stats, you may as well grind it because you aren't losing anything. And if you want to grind, grind away until you can't anymore.

Its a win win situation really.

[Carlo210]

Now, the question that needs to be thought about...
Will a weapon with a grind rating of around 5/1 be worth more or less than a 0/10 weapon? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[Vashyron]

Hmm So when can we make our PA's into disks to store and stuff?

[RL-Dante]

I know why just a hanzo get a boost? 0.0

[GuardianElite]

why?

[Soukosa]

On 2007-11-14 21:02, Carlo210 wrote:
Now, the question that needs to be thought about...
Will a weapon with a grind rating of around 5/1 be worth more or less than a 0/10 weapon? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

You mean "1/5"? The right number is the max grind it can be taken to and will never be lower then the left. On the JP version, weapons that have lost their full grind potential (i.e. don't have 10 on the right) tend to sell for less than pretty much anything else. The lower that max grind value gets, the less of a value the weapon has, even if it got to some where decent.

[beatrixkiddo]

On 2007-11-15 08:27, XtremeStarfox wrote:
Hmm So when can we make our PA's into disks to store and stuff?



When you're using the AotI client.