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Smallredbox
Nov 15, 2007, 02:32 PM
Ever since Finding my Degahna Cannon Board, and failing it, I have done

40 more runs Of Grove of Fanatics S
10 Runs of Grove of Fanatics S2

I havent found another board yet, and and I refuse to stop until I have one again.

I am also saving up meseta, and have about 4.1 million so far.

This topic is my hunt report, and updates

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amtalx
Nov 15, 2007, 02:34 PM
Faith makes people look silly. You should have waited.

Smallredbox
Nov 15, 2007, 02:36 PM
"Waiting makes this weapons power stronger..
..Allegedly"

I know.. But..

I can always go back.

Hokokaru
Nov 15, 2007, 02:39 PM
Faith makes people look silly. You should have waited.Lol


I can always go backYeah, if you have the rubinads, Biomaterial and the other stuff you can cancel it for later =/

Remedy
Nov 15, 2007, 02:40 PM
Ah, did you find yours? Congratulations. <3

And actually, if you'd waited for our 1UP bonuses, it would've been a 93% chance of success (78% base + 15% bonus)

Hokokaru
Nov 15, 2007, 02:44 PM
( at 69% chance of success)


(78% base + 15% bonus)

Ummmmm whos right.....

Smallredbox
Nov 15, 2007, 02:47 PM
My game says 69%

My bot is at level 96

HFlowen
Nov 15, 2007, 02:48 PM
AoI synthesis changes, which will take place tonight.

Cancel it now.

Hokokaru
Nov 15, 2007, 02:48 PM
Mines almost there, lvl 54 atm but thats from 2 days of feeding =D

Lets hope it works though or youll be hunting some more it looks like.....

Remedy
Nov 15, 2007, 02:49 PM
She's on 360, so no, they won't take place tonight.

Kion
Nov 15, 2007, 02:52 PM
why cancel it? even if the synth was started now, shouldn't the synth boost still apply when it kicks in? don't take it out of yur loli-bot until the 20th.

Remedy
Nov 15, 2007, 02:53 PM
No, it will not. Success or failure is determined when you start the synthesis.

HFlowen
Nov 15, 2007, 02:53 PM
Right, forgot about 360.

And no, synth boost would not apply. Synthesis entries success are decided the second you confirm the start, the wait period is a formality.



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chicken105
Nov 15, 2007, 03:04 PM
good luck! Grind it to 10 with no luck!

Xtian913
Nov 15, 2007, 03:07 PM
Don't mean to derail this, but...

What if the board had been put in but not started? Does the 15% increase change that percent, or would he have been screwed for putting it in early?

RedMussel
Nov 15, 2007, 03:08 PM
You just couldent wait...

Ken_Silver
Nov 15, 2007, 03:11 PM
you know what they say: the greater the risk, the greater the reward. If you get the weapon, you'll feel more proud than if you waited. Even though you probably should http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Ah, well good luck!

Iduno
Nov 15, 2007, 03:17 PM
well good luck hope you dont end up with the worlds most expensive monomate http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Turambar
Nov 15, 2007, 03:34 PM
On 2007-11-15 12:17, Iduno wrote:
well good luck hope you dont end up with the worlds most expensive monomate http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



No no, that would go to my friend's pre 1up Svaltus sword synth.

Africa
Nov 15, 2007, 03:46 PM
good luck on the synth. the d-cannon is an awesome weapon and a hard drop -unless you do forrest infiltration. never hesitate on these kinda drops as either it will fail or succeed good luck and they usually come out

Ken_Silver
Nov 15, 2007, 03:48 PM
On 2007-11-15 12:34, Turambar wrote:

On 2007-11-15 12:17, Iduno wrote:
well good luck hope you dont end up with the worlds most expensive monomate http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



No no, that would go to my friend's pre 1up Svaltus sword synth.



... OUCH!

omegapirate2k
Nov 15, 2007, 04:04 PM
On 2007-11-15 12:46, Africa wrote:
never hesitate on these kinda drops as either it will fail or succeed good luck and they usually come out

Well, if you wait for 5 days or so, you have a much better chance at synthing it, so I don't see why you wouldn't wait unless you absolutely had to have it right away.

Africa
Nov 15, 2007, 04:27 PM
Well, if you wait for 5 days or so, you have a much better chance at synthing it, so I don't see why you wouldn't wait unless you absolutely had to have it right away.

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o so very true

RemiusTA
Nov 15, 2007, 04:32 PM
It made me laugh the first quit topic i read over here about someone failing a Crea Double and getting a 8 million meseta monomate

pikachief
Nov 15, 2007, 06:19 PM
On 2007-11-15 12:34, Turambar wrote:

On 2007-11-15 12:17, Iduno wrote:
well good luck hope you dont end up with the worlds most expensive monomate http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



No no, that would go to my friend's pre 1up Svaltus sword synth.



i say insomiacs double agito wins that http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Smallredbox
Nov 16, 2007, 12:08 AM
Ah, well, I cancelled the synth, and I guess I'll wait.

85% isnt so bad ^ ^''''

neohalo21
Nov 16, 2007, 12:44 AM
GL

Remedy
Nov 16, 2007, 06:43 AM
Where're you getting 85% from? It'll be 78% with the AotI bonuses, and 93% with our 1UP bonus on top of that.

SakuraJr
Nov 16, 2007, 06:47 AM
Hope it turns out ok

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Neith
Nov 16, 2007, 06:51 AM
On 2007-11-15 12:34, Turambar wrote:

On 2007-11-15 12:17, Iduno wrote:
well good luck hope you dont end up with the worlds most expensive monomate http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif



No no, that would go to my friend's pre 1up Svaltus sword synth.



I could beat that, but for the sake of my friend, I'm not going to bring it up again ;_; 75% my ass

DesertGunner
Nov 16, 2007, 07:32 AM
He's making the piece-of-crap-that-sits-on-your-shoulder-and-shoots-out-a-pretty-beam cannon? Oh, okay. Good luck.

Smallredbox
Nov 16, 2007, 09:27 AM
Do I sense jealousy?

Heh

But anyhow, once the 15%+ kicks in, I'll go ahead and make it.

I dont need no stinkin' 93%

I just capped my bot off at 100 a few minutes ago.

70% right now



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Xtian913
Nov 16, 2007, 09:48 AM
On 2007-11-16 06:27, Smallredbox wrote:
Do I sense jealousy?

Heh

But anyhow, once the 15%+ kicks in, I'll go ahead and make it.

I dont need no stinkin' 93%

I just capped my bot oof at 100 a few minutes ago.

70% right now



Wait... I thought you had already started the synth??

Smallredbox
Nov 16, 2007, 09:56 AM
Yeah, I did start it, but I canceled because 15% more seems like waiting for.

I just got a bit impatient, is all

Good thing I have an extra Adhana Cannon part http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

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Xtian913
Nov 16, 2007, 10:16 AM
Ah, gotcha. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Good luck!

Smallredbox
Nov 16, 2007, 10:17 AM
I'll tell you when the synth fails http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Smallredbox
Nov 17, 2007, 05:58 PM
Well, it failed

Immediately after it failing, I did another grove run

Heh

omegapirate2k
Nov 17, 2007, 06:05 PM
I thought you said you were waiting for the 15% boost?

Smallredbox
Nov 17, 2007, 06:13 PM
I lied. I do not want to wait two weeks, or however long it is.

I refuse to stop until I have that weapon.

amtalx
Nov 17, 2007, 06:17 PM
See where faith gets you? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Sorry for your loss though...that sucks.

Orin654
Nov 17, 2007, 07:04 PM
Wait we get AOI synth changes tonite?

Smallredbox
Nov 18, 2007, 08:52 AM
Well, 15 runs of S later: (and one s2 for kicks)

Drops:

Granarod [b]
Cresaud [b]
Cresaud [b]
Cresaud [b]
Adhana Cannon (part)

Thank you RW Leader, Sakura and Smokie for all your support!


Now for the board..

DesertGunner
Nov 18, 2007, 08:55 AM
On 2007-11-16 06:27, Smallredbox wrote:
Do I sense jealousy?

Heh

But anyhow, once the 15%+ kicks in, I'll go ahead and make it.

I dont need no stinkin' 93%

I just capped my bot off at 100 a few minutes ago.

70% right now



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Better re-check your senses, spidey. My Meteor Cannon is better than that ugly-looking thing.

Smallredbox
Nov 18, 2007, 08:58 AM
Hahahaha

DesertGunner
Nov 18, 2007, 09:04 AM
If you wanna be technical; you'd have to grind it 3 times to be on-par with the Meteor Cannon. The Meteor Cannoc will always have more PP, but less power, even less than a Thunder Cannon. A Degahna Cannon 9/10 is just as powerful as a Meteor Cannon 8/10.

But whatever. I think the Needle Cannon looks better than both of them.

jayster
Nov 18, 2007, 10:46 AM
laser cannons are garbage in general. The only one worth showing off is the needle cannon and maybe the 12* cannon.



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Mwabwetumba
Nov 18, 2007, 10:50 AM
Laser cannons will recieve quite a boost in AoI. Higher modifiers as well as SE3 at the higher levels.

Rizen
Nov 18, 2007, 11:43 AM
On 2007-11-18 07:46, jayster wrote:
laser cannons are garbage in general. The only one worth showing off is the needle cannon and maybe the 12* cannon.

You haven't touched a Laser Cannon today have you?

Edit: If you are a 360 player, I can understand why you would say this.

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omegapirate2k
Nov 18, 2007, 11:48 AM
On 2007-11-18 08:43, Rizen wrote:
If you are a 360 player, I can understand why you would say this.


He is http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

But never fear, laser cannons will be better come tuesday! (Although I was fine with the way they were with mayalee prism D:)

DesertGunner
Nov 18, 2007, 12:30 PM
On 2007-11-18 07:46, jayster wrote:
laser cannons are garbage in general. The only one worth showing off is the needle cannon and maybe the 12* cannon.



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WOW. You should change your title to "360 Ignoramus".

Smallredbox
Nov 18, 2007, 08:27 PM
Well, 26 runs after my failed synth, and no new board in sight

I'm almost at level 64 though

S2's around the corner?


I'm starting to feel a bit hopeless though.

Maybe I could just buy one with all the neu ebons I've been finding..

DesertGunner
Nov 18, 2007, 08:36 PM
Just give up on it and stick with a Meteor Cannon. They're more powerful in the end. And don't even try S2 at your level. If you really want it, stick with the S missions.

Smallredbox
Nov 18, 2007, 10:23 PM
Meteor Cannon is no.

Africa
Nov 18, 2007, 11:18 PM
Just do forest infiltration for the board as that mission is a cakewalk.The M, cannon still go's pew pew . forest infiltration is quick and easy as far as runs and time wise.s2 grove is a major hassle for most ppl and not worth it if you are looking for d-cannon

Smallredbox
Nov 19, 2007, 04:00 PM
Well, I've been doing a lot of Groves S runs lately. 80% of the time its solo

I usually beat the mission in about 22-28 minutes each

Would S2 FI be easier really?

Smallredbox
Nov 19, 2007, 04:04 PM
Anyhow:

S runs complete after my broken board:

31

I hope to do at least 9 more before tomorrow

.. Unless I find it earlier.



Also:

If you have a Degahna Cannon, and are looking to get rid of it, message me sometime!

I'm currently building up funds if you are selling one.

(funds are currently under one mil at this time*)

*Yes, I know 1 mil isnt enough


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easy
Nov 19, 2007, 04:13 PM
saga are a ripoff i like psou but they are playing with us

Jao
Nov 19, 2007, 04:14 PM
im sure it isnt that hard to find one?

Smallredbox
Nov 19, 2007, 04:29 PM
Hahahahaha

Well, I did over 54 runs and I had it drop once.

Jao
Nov 19, 2007, 04:30 PM
54 is pretty good

Smallredbox
Nov 19, 2007, 05:41 PM
Eh.

Why dont you come do them then?

It only takes about 25 minutes per run

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

DesertGunner
Nov 19, 2007, 07:18 PM
Oh, I'm sorry. I just realized you aren't an efficient player and you'd rather prefer looks over power. Good day.

And btw, F.I. S2 isn't the best way for the Degahna Cannon. Who gives a fuck if it's shorter. I've done 2 weeks straight at that place, and the only thing it had to offer me is a useless Sori / Mind.

Smallredbox
Nov 19, 2007, 07:39 PM
Yeah

36 runs now, and nothing

DesertGunner
Nov 19, 2007, 07:42 PM
Don't expect to get another one soon. After I got my Blackbull board at True Darkness S (which took me 3½ hours to get), I haven't been able to find another one while doing over 10 hours worth of runs.

Smallredbox
Nov 19, 2007, 07:53 PM
58 runs total x 25 minutes per run = 24.1 hours total search time

DesertGunner
Nov 19, 2007, 07:57 PM
10 hours x 11 min. = 110 min./60 is an hour and 50 mintues. You'll make more money on Blackbulls to get what you're looking for.

Smallredbox
Nov 19, 2007, 08:00 PM
This would be great for me

Im not hunting blackbulls, however.

I think I'll do Grove S2 after levelling my spear and bullets.

Jao
Nov 19, 2007, 08:01 PM
i will help but im on 360

Jao
Nov 19, 2007, 08:06 PM
also that time 25mins i would luv to try to beat that to =p

Africa
Nov 19, 2007, 08:07 PM
blackbulls are iffy .but as far as d-cannon hunting the grove can be fiendish as compared to the easier more spammable forest infiltration.i will put it this way i had the second one on 360 and it took a lot of runs to find.The box set at the grove has the propensity to drop other things besides the d-cannon in the same box, whereas forest infiltration will only drop 1 or 2 other things there. when i recommend f.i. it's because it's simpler than getting 15 har-senba or nafri-senba boards



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blkbeast
Nov 19, 2007, 09:13 PM
On 2007-11-15 11:34, amtalx wrote:
Faith makes people look silly. You should have waited.



lol roflroflrofl maybe you neva know

Smallredbox
Nov 19, 2007, 09:25 PM
Does forest infiltration have more boss boxes, or is it the same?

Jao
Nov 19, 2007, 09:31 PM
who is the boss for that mission?

Africa
Nov 19, 2007, 09:41 PM
about 12 boxes but the board only drops out of one box at either mission. I usually recommend F.I. bcuz ppl hate ozunas. I prefer the grove myself but dependent on your class F.I. is easier.

Smallredbox
Nov 20, 2007, 08:38 AM
Well, my character rico is a foretegunner(10) with killer shot

I think FI is beter for non-killershot classes.

XenithFlare
Nov 20, 2007, 09:17 AM
On 2007-11-19 16:18, DesertGunner wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry. I just realized you aren't an efficient player and you'd rather prefer looks over power. Good day.

And btw, F.I. S2 isn't the best way for the Degahna Cannon. Who gives a fuck if it's shorter. I've done 2 weeks straight at that place, and the only thing it had to offer me is a useless Sori / Mind.



<_< Dick much? Degahna stands up rather well to the Meteor, thank you, and not only looks better and is proof that you spent forever hunting an extremely rare weapon, but has much, MUCH higher PP. And you can't argue that PP isn't important for a Laser Cannon.

Not to mention that no one cares if you've done 2 weeks at Forest Infiltration S2 and haven't found anything; it's there whether you found it or not.

bloodflowers
Nov 20, 2007, 10:00 AM
Not to drop a downer on this, but I used to search for that cannon. I did somewhere in excess of 200 runs looking for it, across Forest Infiltration and Grove.

I never even found the synth part, let alone the board.

Get saving, it's easier to just grind the meseta and buy this weapon from someone who got lucky.

Smallredbox
Nov 20, 2007, 10:07 AM
Well I found two synth parts and one board in my travels.

If only I can get another..

Well, with my new and improved dus Daggas, that mission is MINE

DesertGunner
Nov 20, 2007, 02:33 PM
On 2007-11-20 06:17, XenithFlare wrote:

On 2007-11-19 16:18, DesertGunner wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry. I just realized you aren't an efficient player and you'd rather prefer looks over power. Good day.

And btw, F.I. S2 isn't the best way for the Degahna Cannon. Who gives a fuck if it's shorter. I've done 2 weeks straight at that place, and the only thing it had to offer me is a useless Sori / Mind.



<_< Dick much? Degahna stands up rather well to the Meteor, thank you, and not only looks better and is proof that you spent forever hunting an extremely rare weapon, but has much, MUCH higher PP. And you can't argue that PP isn't important for a Laser Cannon.

Not to mention that no one cares if you've done 2 weeks at Forest Infiltration S2 and haven't found anything; it's there whether you found it or not.



LOL! It's not extremely rare. In fact, the only reason that it is "rare" is because people are too lazy to look for the damn thing. Just like the Zanshu-Misaki, the Hoshi-Kikami, and the Rikauteri. They wouldn't be so "rare" if people would get off their asses from HSM or Seabed and actually look for them. I still can't believe the 8* armor, Rikau-senba, is actually worth around 10 mil. Blows my mind...

Hiro_Kurisake
Nov 20, 2007, 02:47 PM
What blows my mind is that you are rivaling the noobishness of Gina... and thats saying something. Get up. Stop jerkin off to psupr0n, and stop being such a dick.

pikachief
Nov 20, 2007, 02:49 PM
On 2007-11-20 11:33, DesertGunner wrote:

On 2007-11-20 06:17, XenithFlare wrote:

On 2007-11-19 16:18, DesertGunner wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry. I just realized you aren't an efficient player and you'd rather prefer looks over power. Good day.

And btw, F.I. S2 isn't the best way for the Degahna Cannon. Who gives a fuck if it's shorter. I've done 2 weeks straight at that place, and the only thing it had to offer me is a useless Sori / Mind.



<_< Dick much? Degahna stands up rather well to the Meteor, thank you, and not only looks better and is proof that you spent forever hunting an extremely rare weapon, but has much, MUCH higher PP. And you can't argue that PP isn't important for a Laser Cannon.

Not to mention that no one cares if you've done 2 weeks at Forest Infiltration S2 and haven't found anything; it's there whether you found it or not.



LOL! It's not extremely rare. In fact, the only reason that it is "rare" is because people are too lazy to look for the damn thing. Just like the Zanshu-Misaki, the Hoshi-Kikami, and the Rikauteri. They wouldn't be so "rare" if people would get off their asses from HSM or Seabed and actually look for them. I still can't believe the 8* armor, Rikau-senba, is actually worth around 10 mil. Blows my mind...




my friend hunted for a 11* bow for 2 months and got no S rank at all from groove.

a friend of mine did it for 1 month and got 2 11* bows and didnt want either of them http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Smallredbox
Nov 24, 2007, 02:45 PM
UPDATE: My old-as-hell PSU disc has had enough of Grove runs, apparently, WHenever I load up the Shikon Tanze Route (where grove is) My game has a read error.

This sucks.. However:

INSTANT UPDATE: I bought a new psu disc, this one doesnt have the "rings of saturn" that my old one does. Horray Newness!

Remedy
Nov 24, 2007, 02:50 PM
On 2007-11-19 16:18, DesertGunner wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry. I just realized you aren't an efficient player and you'd rather prefer looks over power. Good day.And what the fuck is wrong with that?

Not to mention that a +9 Degahna Cannon beats a +8 Meteor Cannon (which is way harder to get) and a +10 Degahna Cannon beats a +10 Meteor Cannon (ridiculously hard to get). Plus, a +5 Degahna Cannon beats a stock Needle Cannon, and it has vastly more PP than any other laser cannon will ever have.

The Degahna Cannon is a very sound weapon.

Smallredbox
Nov 24, 2007, 04:45 PM
I love you remedy

Smallredbox
Nov 25, 2007, 12:44 AM
Ran 4 S2 runs, found nothing besides a cresaud board. That mission is no longer
overly threatening now

Just Attack makes the boss a joke http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif



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Smallredbox
Nov 25, 2007, 12:17 PM
UPDATE: Did two more runs today, found another cresaud and a granarod board, nothing special.

I recently discovered how useful my shotgun is again against the techers.

n_~

Africa
Nov 25, 2007, 01:28 PM
The grove is an awesome mission and with the right things it go's by really quickly. i myself actually do that run almost daily.it's just kinda stingy on drops but when you get what you want nothing beats the fact that you got something rare.

Smallredbox
Nov 25, 2007, 11:04 PM
There are true rares there..

Well.. needle and degahna anyway

How rare is that bow?

Smallredbox
Nov 27, 2007, 09:17 AM
I'm now also saving up meseta to buy me a cannon

So far, I have 4.1 million saved up

Smallredbox
Nov 30, 2007, 05:09 PM
A question about the [b] Degahna Cannon and S or S2

Does it really drop any better on S2?
(or is that just a bunch of crap?)

65 S runs (+23 for my first board)
20 S2runs

Shadow_Wing
Nov 30, 2007, 05:15 PM
No not really

BS as far as I can tell


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Smallredbox
Dec 1, 2007, 04:35 PM
I guess Ill try forest S2 soon, might as well, I havent done any runs so far since my renewed search

Of course, I'll give you my updates

Smallredbox
Dec 2, 2007, 11:35 AM
FOrest Infiltration S2 sucked so much that I dont ever want to go back there.

Those buffed olgohmons are horrible!

that Rainbow beast is so strong! >__<

Remedy
Dec 2, 2007, 11:37 AM
Yeah, that's why I do my Rikauteri hunting (not a serious hunt) at Grove. Robots I can handle. Olghomons and Kagajibaris, I can't.

Smallredbox
Dec 2, 2007, 12:09 PM
Yep Grove s2 is WAY easier, despite the higher enemy level

DesertGunner
Dec 2, 2007, 02:15 PM
On 2007-11-24 11:50, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-19 16:18, DesertGunner wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry. I just realized you aren't an efficient player and you'd rather prefer looks over power. Good day.And what the fuck is wrong with that?

Not to mention that a +9 Degahna Cannon beats a +8 Meteor Cannon (which is way harder to get) and a +10 Degahna Cannon beats a +10 Meteor Cannon (ridiculously hard to get). Plus, a +5 Degahna Cannon beats a stock Needle Cannon, and it has vastly more PP than any other laser cannon will ever have.

The Degahna Cannon is a very sound weapon.



LOL. Ask anyone who is a serious laser cannon fan which cannon they would want. And I bet the majority would say the Needle Cannon. And since it's harder to get a decent grind thanks to the changes, there's no reason why you should have the audacity to say that a Degahna 5/5 is better than a Needle Cannon. I've seen far less Degahna Cannons nowadays compared to Needle Cannons, and that's saying a lot.