Support techs: Duty or a Privilege ?

[Rett]

POLL: Are Support Techs a Duty or a Privilege ?



Ok this has been going on for a while so I want to see what the conscious is and really I want to know who thinks what ? Do you think its Duty because you are a non-techer class ? Do you think its privilege because you are a techer and its your PP thats its using ? So vote and tell us why you voted that way.

[mll]

Oh god WHY?
In before flames and lock

[Rett]

my answer is simple

Why not ?

[Schubalts]

Privilege.

Also, inb4fireball.

E: Oh right, why. Because -mates, -ides, and atomizers exist.



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[mll]

Have you not had enough angry techer threads lately

[Rett]

I wonder who the first flame will be from

[RegulusHikari]

First off, I don't play FT much, but this is the policy I follow for any class.

My character.
My PP.
My time.

I spend it the way I want, other people should too. I make sure that anyone who makes an effort to receives my support gets it, even if it takes me an extra cast or two.

It's a video game, not nuclear fission, and should be treated as such: CASUALLY.

[UltimateCarl]

I say duty, and this is coming from someone who plays a Fortecher currently and will be switching to AT once I get AoI.

Now, for just normal play, or with friends, that's fine. And if you don't notice that someone's buff ran out and don't immediately replace it, or you try to kill all of the enemies currently gang-raping you BEFORE rebuffing the rest of the party, that's perfectly fine and I understand it.

But buffing, and especially max buffing, it someone only certain classes can do, but something that helps out the entire party. Having a full buffed party improves all of your stats, and even your morale. It's FUN to be buffed! You feel even more awesome than you did before!

It makes me sort of think of a Hunter-type who doesn't use PAs, or a Ranger-type who doesn't use Bullets. I know that's considerably more drastic, but I think you get my gist.

That said, I wouldn't boot anyone (even an Acrotecher) that doesn't buff, even if they're the only support tech-capable character in the party. However, when I play a force, I feel like it's my duty.

[Rett]

awww come on angry techer threads are fun.

[Ken_Silver]

I think it is a privliege, but I am sure others will argue otherwise. One thing that will differ for others will be the class that buffs. If you are an Acrotecher, people will demand your buffs, maybe even if you are a Fortetecher, but if you are a Guntecher, or even a Wartecher (like me) the demand is less. Personally, if you get a buff, you should be grateful to the person who decides to buff. No law requires them to buff you. It probably will be in their best interest to buff you, but it is still a privliege. I buff all the time (atk and def) but no one ever expects me to buff them, or get mad at me when I forget to buff them. All in all, it is a privliege... a privliege that most people have gotten so used to, that they almost expect it, but it is just a privliege. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

*how's that for long? sorry http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif *

Edit: Flame threads are NEVER fun! People get burned and people get sorched... it's not fun.

and I was being sarcastic and truthful about it. But seriously, does it always have to be a flame war? *prays for PSOW humanity*

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[Remedy]

A duty for the techers.

A privilege for the non-techers.

Edit: The irony of it seems that anyone who played PSO at ALL seems to agree with me. The only techers shirking their duty as supporters are those that were never a FO when being a FO mattered.

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[Iduno]

privalige personaly I choose to buff and heal when I can when I use my Ft but do not expect it and certainly wouldn't demand it from anyone else and would probably not stay in a party that does see it as a duty and anyone who does demand it needs to learn some independance and chomp down a mate/ride every now and then


not a flame just advice

also a low lvl buff is better then no buff so if you get a buff don't whine that its the wrong level just be grateful for the boost

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[Pillan]

It’s a duty. Playing a class that has the ability to increase the entire team’s efficiency and not using that ability is just dumb. Sitting around and expecting praise or thanks for buffing or healing is like a Fortefighter expecting praise for his last 3000+ damage critical or a Fortegunner expecting praise for stunning large mobs or burning things.

And I’d kick anyone not doing any of the above things mentioned because if you’re not you obviously don’t know how to play the class, nor should you be. If you don’t want to heal and buff and just want to deal high damage, play hunter.

[mll]

I think for your own sake you should buff. The grief you'll get for not doing it isn't worth it. And anyway its just something nice you can do for your team mates. A few selfless acts really help a community out. I wouldn't call it a duty though

[Fleur-de-Lis]

On 2007-11-15 12:41, RegulusHikari wrote:
It's a video game, not nuclear fission, and should be treated as such: CASUALLY.Damn you almost had it. If you had only inserted "fucking" in front of "video game" you could have won the internet. Instead, you'll have to settle for winning PSOW. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[Rett]

Ok Are Folks taking into Account that Resta and Reverser are included in Support Spells ?

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-15 12:47, Rett wrote:
Ok Are Folks taking into Account that Resta and Reverser are included in Support Spells ?Probably not.

That said, I haven't been able to yet find someone who can't be completely healed by my Resta 30 or Giresta 26, so I'm not too fussed about not having higher levels of those.

[UltimateCarl]

On 2007-11-15 12:44, Remedy wrote:
The irony of it seems that anyone who played PSO at ALL seems to agree with me. The only techers shirking their duty as supporters are those that were never a FO when being a FO mattered.
Heh. Oh PSO. Even as a FOnewm, I kept everyone nice and muscle-y.

For the record, Remedy, I support you. I know you get a lot of hate lately, but I tend to agree with your posts. I just don't do it so... Militantly or vocally. XD

[Rett]

oh and just wondering does Pillian's post count for the first flame ?

[Telina]

Privilege on conditions.

I think of it as a job when i'm with friends, but its a privilege in randoms. just adding some tinder to the impending flaming http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Rizen]

Priviledge mostly, in my opinion.

And I wouldn't call it so much as a duty as much as it is a priority.

[Ken_Silver]

On 2007-11-15 12:48, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-15 12:47, Rett wrote:
Ok Are Folks taking into Account that Resta and Reverser are included in Support Spells ?Probably not.

That said, I haven't been able to yet find someone who can't be completely healed by my Resta 30 or Giresta 26, so I'm not too fussed about not having higher levels of those.



oooh. That makes things different to some degree. It becomes cloudy with Resta involved. But I would still say privliege. Then again as a WT, my resta does little to nothing for anyone else rather than other force classes. I was happy that one time, I kept a fortetecher alive long enough from a Spinning Bear to use her Resta to heal the rest of the party http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Ken_Silver]

On 2007-11-15 12:49, UltimateCarl wrote:

On 2007-11-15 12:44, Remedy wrote:
The irony of it seems that anyone who played PSO at ALL seems to agree with me. The only techers shirking their duty as supporters are those that were never a FO when being a FO mattered.
Heh. Oh PSO. Even as a FOnewm, I kept everyone nice and muscle-y.

For the record, Remedy, I support you. I know you get a lot of hate lately, but I tend to agree with your posts. I just don't do it so... Militantly or vocally. XD



Agreed http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-15 12:52, Ken_Silver wrote:
I was happy that one time, I kept a fortetecher alive long enough from a Spinning Bear to use her Resta to heal the rest of the party http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gifSee, that's the REAL way that Wartechers should play support. They should keep their Fortecher (or Acrotecher in AotI) in prime condition so that she can do her duty of supporting the rest of the party (her Wartecher included).

But hey, I actually like teamwork and having a party of six that works seamlessly, like a well oiled machine, where each person performs their respective role and things are happy. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

[ThEoRy]

Both. Duhh,...

[omegapirate2k]

Duty, you submissive whores. Now bend over.

[spoiler-box]The above post was a joke, these words do not in any way, shape, or form represent the views of PSOW user omegapirate2k.[/spoiler-box]

[Africa]

it's a privalage while resta and reverser are very necessary they are not required since you can use restoratives but you pretty much suck at teching without them. techers keep ppl alive and shouldn't be limited to resta-slaves or a walking buff delivery system.

[Rett]

On 2007-11-15 12:57, Africa wrote:
it's a privalage while resta and reverser are very necessary they are not required since you can use restoratives but you pretty much suck at teching without them. techers keep ppl alive and shouldn't be limited to resta-slaves or a walking buff delivery system.




See thats what I agree with.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-15 12:57, Africa wrote:
techers keep ppl alive and shouldn't be limited to resta-slaves or a walking buff delivery system.No one ever claimed that they were. However, a Fortecher (and in AotI, an Acrotecher) is only as good as the support they provide.

[Iduno]

yup people need to be more independent and learn to chomp down a mate while their techer is busy (although in emergencys like a player being frozen or trapped a sensible techer will make healing top priority but again I will not demand it )


edit: "only as good as the support they provide"?

Hello this is psu now attacking spells are more usefull AND with the fortechers bows and the acrotechers whips (not to mention the attacking techs) techers are also pretty damn handy with SEs (I suppose this may count as another kind of support but then it would get confusing) so techers are FAR more then support tech machines

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[Pillan]

On 2007-11-15 12:49, Rett wrote:
oh and just wondering does Pillian's post count for the first flame ?


I've never quite understood the concept of "flaming."

That's just how I feel on the subject in all honesty. I mean, can anyone really argue that you wouldn't be better off as a hunter if you were just going for damage and weren't planning to support anyway?

And who would honestly keep the hunter spamming level 1 neutral skills or the ranger using twin handguns against a Svaltus? Why should I give the force that refuses to help the party with their unique contribution to the team any special treatment?

[Remedy]

I agree with you on that note, actually. EVERYONE should have enough good sense that in the case of an emergency, they should eat a -mate. Hell, even I eat Trimates if I know I won't have a chance to land a Resta by the next incoming hit (usually BDV or Kagajibari spins). That said, a FT (and an AT in AotI) should focus on the health of their teammates and the status of their buffs before all else. I'm not saying become so docile and complacent that you don't attack at all, but I'm saying that if buffs need reapplying, you stop spamming Diga and you gather up your little ducklings and you buff them, god damnit. XD

[Xtian913]

I don't mind supporting the team, except when I have to chase people down with Resta when I know they can just pop a Trimate.

[Africa]

On 2007-11-15 13:04, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-15 12:57, Africa wrote:
techers keep ppl alive and shouldn't be limited to resta-slaves or a walking buff delivery system.No one ever claimed that they were. However, a Fortecher (and in AotI, an Acrotecher) is only as good as the support they provide.




a lot of ppl think they are. Also a fortetecher should be judged on all around teching skill and not just support especially because of acrotechers only having lvl 40 support

[Vashyron]

IF a Force doesn't buff me, I won't be screaming for them too Ill just use THE item replacement http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

[drizzle]

Duty, of course, like it is the Hunter's duty to stab things, and the ranger's duty to shoot things. Why is tihs even a question?

[Iduno]

To Pillan

I would keep those players how would people lvl PAs without using them at level 1?

To Remedy: In my experience its more convenient to buff in between fights and also not directed at that particular post but any duckling who complain's about the buffs level is going to find him/herself left out of the next buff because in my opinion thats just plain rude

Also rounding up players for buffs in a fight is like trying to heard cats

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[RemiusTA]

Its a privilege. I don't get points deducted for not buffing, so i dont have to if i dont want to. If it want to Nuke, than thats just me.

Saying its a Duty is more selfish than saying its a privilege, imo. Your your own character. You have Mates, you have Ides, and you dont have to switch weapons to use them. If you think i became Fortecher just to kiss your feet and praise your damage while i slave over your healing and buffing needs, then your SADLY mistaken.

I see nothing wrong with buffing someone, but when you die and say its MY fault because i didn't heal you or forgot to buff you, you can go to hell. Its my Character, i play how i want. Nobody forces you to keep me out of trouble, why should i be forced to be your medic?

[beatrixkiddo]

Flamebait topics aren't allowed ;o

[McLaughlin]

On 2007-11-15 13:30, beatrixkiddo wrote:
Flamebait topics aren't allowed ;o



Neat little loophole there. It's only Flamebaiting if someone bites, and if someone bites, they get in trouble, not the person who cast the line.

[Zorak000]

as far as I am conserned,

Events or other speed-runs: duty
non-event/no timer: privilage

assuming Resta is a duty either way

[Ffuzzy-Logik]

I haven't read any posts, nor do I wish to explain my answer, because I cannot even possibly entertain the opposite viewpoint:

Duty.

[EvilSlacker]

well the fighter looks at the force and sees a bandaid. the force looks at the fighter and sees a meat shield. its all in the perspective.

[RadiantLegend]

DUTY!!!!! Now buff meh BISH!!!

[Rizen]

On 2007-11-15 13:41, Ffuzzy-Logik wrote:
I haven't read any posts, nor do I wish to explain my answer, because I cannot even possibly entertain the opposite viewpoint:

Duty.


I guess you don't get the 10 mil meseta I stated in my first post ;O

[Xaeris]

Privilege. In PSU, a support class is not something necessary to continued survival, or even efficiency, as it is in other online games. Usually, all someone dedicated to support in PSU does is save me a few thousand meseta per mission. If that's how someone gets their jollies, then more power to them. But I'm not holding it against someone if he wishes his claim to fame to be more than increasing my bottom line.

[Morganna]

On 2007-11-15 13:30, beatrixkiddo wrote:
Flamebait topics aren't allowed ;o



By that logic, any topic that has any potential of being controversial should not be allowed. What kind of a forum is that?

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-15 13:21, Iduno wrote:
Also rounding up players for buffs in a fight is like trying to heard catsThen position yourself equidistant from your fighters and cast them. Use the minimap and a bit of geometric sense. XD

[Iduno]

being equidistant from all of them so they all get buffs is often not possible or too risky for a class with such low health (taking into account that missions where buffs are needed often have strong monsters that will make short work of a newman Ft)


edit: agrees with above poster and also surely a fighter can survive a few mins/secs without being buffed

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[Nyreal]

Buffs aren't as powerful as they were in PSO. It's not as if you're going to be at half your strength, like you would be without level 30 Shifta and Deband way back in the day.

So no. They're not a duty... Just a nice boost.

[Kylie]

Neither. I think everyone should play how he or she wants, so techers can either choose to be attack or support specialists in my book. I've never once asked for heals or buffs in my time on PSU.

[beatrixkiddo]

On 2007-11-15 13:48, Morganna wrote:

On 2007-11-15 13:30, beatrixkiddo wrote:
Flamebait topics aren't allowed ;o



By that logic, any topic that has any potential of being controversial should not be allowed. What kind of a forum is that?



I'd say, given that the OP has made several posts asking "when are the flames gonna start????" that this thread was started SPECIFICALLY as flamebait.

[Remedy]

I do it all the time.

Protip: Elemental armor and Trimates.

[Nyreal]

Flamebait doesn't matter. As long as people aren't swearing and being stupid, this isn't a flame topic. Trust me, I go to GameFAQS.

And really, as long as there are six people in a party, then monsters will die. It's that easy.

[Dragwind]

I take it upon myself as a duty, and I view others doing it as a privilege. Although I do party with other who think the same way, so I usually don't worry about it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[drizzle]

On 2007-11-15 14:17, Nyreal wrote:
And really, as long as there are six people in a party, then monsters will die. It's that easy.


Even so people should try to not suck and work as a team. Support techs make a bigger difference than your attack techs and should be your first priority after staying alive (which, by the way, is pretty easy most of the time).

I see this 'play like you want' excuse a lot in this thread. No. If you join a team, you play like a team.

[Reipard]

I've seen this argument before, hasn't changed much either.

I'm surprised this hasn't gone up in smoke yet, either. Especially since it's a trolling topic.

[Iduno]

On 2007-11-15 14:26, drizzle wrote:

On 2007-11-15 14:17, Nyreal wrote:
And really, as long as there are six people in a party, then monsters will die. It's that easy.


Even so people should try to not suck and work as a team. Support techs make a bigger difference than your attack techs and should be your first priority after staying alive (which, by the way, is pretty easy most of the time).

I see this 'play like you want' excuse a lot in this thread. No. If you join a team, you play like a team.




I would just like to point out that status effects from attack techs (or bows especialy lvl 4 virus REALLY hurts the bigger monsters) tend to be more usefull then buffs as frozen monsters do no damage and stay nice and still to be shot/ cut up, silenced spell casting monsters and paralysed melee using monsters do no damage, burning, infected monsters (especialy the big ones) take more damege then that added with buffs AND some monsters are resistant to melee and ranged attacks

[Mystil]

Doesn't matter. I'm always prepared for those forces who are above support. Thats why I buy sols, antimates and *trides.

[Iduno]

On 2007-11-15 14:15, Remedy wrote:
I do it all the time.

Protip: Elemental armor and Trimates.



Ty for the tip but
High % armour is expensive and trimates aren't very cheap either so that isn't really a viable option for most players

edit:oops sry about double post would copy and paste into the above then delete but im on my wii

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[Zael]

I will always support as a techer, but there really is no possible way to make the other techers do the same.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-15 14:41, Iduno wrote:
Ty for the tip but
High % armour is expensive and trimates aren't very cheap either so that isn't really a viable option for most playersTrimates are 500 meseta if you buy them from the NPC. That's not "expensive" when most missions are granting 10k meseta for an S-run or more. I don't have any armor above 20% other than my 26% Dark Yamata, and I still didn't pay a dime over 500k for any armor I wear.

Shop around. It's good for you.

[Flamingo99]

IMO, Forces should do whatever they can to help the party. If they have support techniques, and they aren't using them, then they are not doing PART of their job. I realize forces can do more than just support, and I think they should attack too, but I think that supporting their teammates comes with being a force.

[Mewn]

Duty, without a shadow of a doubt. Contrary to what some people seem to believe, supporting your party doesn't actually mean becoming a Resta-slave. You can actually do other stuff (like, say, attack!) when people are fully buffed and at near full HP.

Who'da thunk that you could attack and support, and be immeasurably better than someone who only does one!? Egad!1

[drizzle]

On 2007-11-15 14:37, Iduno wrote:
I would just like to point out that status effects from attack techs (or bows especialy lvl 4 virus REALLY hurts the bigger monsters) tend to be more usefull then buffs as frozen monsters do no damage and stay nice and still to be shot/ cut up, silenced spell casting monsters and paralysed melee using monsters do no damage, burning, infected monsters (especialy the big ones) take more damege then that added with buffs AND some monsters are resistant to melee and ranged attacks

No. In a full party the added damage from shifta will easily outdamage a burn DoT, let alone a virus one. Especially when you're plinking away with a wimpy fire bow for half a minute before it even lands. Leave burning/infecting large mobs to your rangers and protransers who have traps for this very purpose. As well as better weapons for it.
Silence and Shock do not matter. Ask any hunter if he cares about these more than he cares about buffs.

Buff first. THEN nuke.



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[Egg99]

On 2007-11-15 12:46, Pillan wrote:
It’s a duty. Playing a class that has the ability to increase the entire team’s efficiency and not using that ability is just dumb. Sitting around and expecting praise or thanks for buffing or healing is like a Fortefighter expecting praise for his last 3000+ damage critical or a Fortegunner expecting praise for stunning large mobs or burning things.

And I’d kick anyone not doing any of the above things mentioned because if you’re not you obviously don’t know how to play the class, nor should you be. If you don’t want to heal and buff and just want to deal high damage, play hunter.





No, it's not.

It's people like you that not only show the complete arrogance of the NA community but also help define the elitist-sounding losers who play this game and that most people should stay away from.

Yeah, it's a duty. Because anybody who "has the ability" to do something in life and doesn't do it is a complete failure, right? Anyone who plays this game and doesn't conform to your warped perception of how each specific class should play gets the boot, right?

People like you hurt my head. Grow up or GTFO, please.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-15 14:45, Mewn wrote:
Who'da thunk that you could attack and support, and be immeasurably better than someone who only does one!? Egad!1I say this all the time. No one ever seems to remember it. The issue is not black or white, damnit.

[Kinako78]

I do feel it's my duty to support my teammates where needed, but I get frustrated at the players that choose to run out of range of my support/healing spells. So I guess I'll have to agree that it's both.

[Iduno]

On 2007-11-15 14:42, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-15 14:41, Iduno wrote:
Ty for the tip but
High % armour is expensive and trimates aren't very cheap either so that isn't really a viable option for most playersTrimates are 500 meseta if you buy them from the NPC. That's not "expensive" when most missions are granting 10k meseta for an S-run or more. I don't have any armor above 20% other than my 26% Dark Yamata, and I still didn't pay a dime over 500k for any armor I wear.

Shop around. It's good for you.



this may be just because I remember doing de ragen runs for 1K a go but 500k and then 10k for 20 trimates a go is NOT cheap and I dont see why any force should shell all that out to babysit a few fighters

[Kinako78]

500k?! Most of us are lucky to even see that much in our bank accounts!

[Rashiid]

It all comes down to abuse.

Say you are janitor.
Now, it is their job to clean up, right?
Now say some kid keeps spilling soda, intentionally.
Then says 'Well its your job, right?"

[Remedy]

I've made like... a few million just from meseta I've earned doing 1UP runs. *shrug* Dunno what you guys are doing.

[Kinako78]

Same, but I don't do it all day long and I didn't get that much.

[RemiusTA]

this is such a stupid arguement.

No matter what you say, Melee classes cant tell Techers how to fight. Although they may not do as much damage as YOU do, they DO do damage, and its always helpful to me. As a Fortefighter i never really ask fortechers to heal me -- as a matter of fact, im alot more happy if they just go along with the battle and nuke shit to hell.


Any force thats not a bastard should naturally buff you if hes buffing himself, but i dont see the reason to flame him if he doesnt. However, i do NOT condone the idea of forces being Band-aids. It pisses me off when im on my sister's Fortecher and all i hear is "heal me heal me", like you cant hold a key press left and let it go to heal yourself.

I dont see what the big deal is anyway. I love it when i play with full-offense forces. The explosions and effects give me great eye candy. (although the dumbarta forces annoy the SHIT out of me on ps2.)



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[MelanyKoura]

I say privilege in the fact that no one said that techers HAVE to heal us. They don't HAVE to buff us. They can just use attack spells and let us use our restoratives. Let the techers do what they want as far as support spells, IMO.

They aren't buff machines

They aren't Resta bots.

They're people who are working with you to reach the same goal (mission wise), so let them help reach that goal in their own way.

Personally, I've played most jobs, including techers and I can say they're pretty fun until I start getting treated like I have to use Resta every 7 seconds for a 10 hp scratch (exageration there). I know how it is when you throw up your 'Gather around for buffs' macro and half the team runs on while the others come to you. I know how it feels when you're trying to chase a dying person before they get killed. I've been there, done that, and it's quite annoying.

If you can't pop a restorative while the techer is busy nuking, either change to a techer job and resta yourself, or stfu and gtfo. Techers have more important things that simply being a support whore. Like... well... dealing damage to monsters that perhaps the melee fighters aren't hurting that much due to PHYSICAL RESISTANCE.

[Mystil]

Well 1UP is almost over and its common knowledge that theres only like..3 missions in vanilla PSU that give "livable" meseta rewards. Labs, Crimson Beast, I guess HSM >_>. All three of those can be finished in a quick amount of time. So if the hot spot is stuck in place that has low rewards, money is going to get tight.

I don't have a problem with mate expenses. But I do have a problem with PP expenses. That said, slow parties piss me off.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-15 15:00, MelanyKoura wrote:
dealing damage to monsters that perhaps the melee fighters aren't hurting that much due to PHYSICAL RESISTANCE.The irony is that with shit like Majarra, fighters can out-damage techers against melee-resistant mobs. Go figure.

[MelanyKoura]

Isn't that getting hit with the nerf stick really soon? =P

[Jife_Jifremok]

It's a priviledge. Being a team player is one thing; selfishly demanding that every techer plays their class a specific way is another. If your techer doesn't buff or heal as much as you'd like because *gasp* they have their own playstyle, just suck it in and use mates and rides. Gunners can use debuffs too, and ANYONE can use a sol or star faster than any techer. (due to this, many techers can't level their giresta if I'm in the party.

[Egg99]

On 2007-11-15 15:05, MelanyKoura wrote:
Isn't that getting hit with the nerf stick really soon? =P



It better be. Being able to kill an S or S2 mob before I can even finish casting a nuke =/= balanced.

[Kinako78]

To me, and I'm probably the only one who thinks this, that's the beauty of a Wartecher (at least pre-AoI). If an enemy has resistance to physical attacks, nuke 'em, and vice-versa.

[Pillan]

On 2007-11-15 15:05, MelanyKoura wrote:
Isn't that getting hit with the nerf stick really soon? =P


The opposite. All skills are getting buffed to be on-par or more powerful than Majarra.

And then hunters get Just Attack after that.

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[-Tidus_415-]

WT having support techs is a Privilege. For the rest of those with higher support spells it's a Duty.


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[MelanyKoura]

On 2007-11-15 15:06, Jife_Jifremok wrote:
(due to this, many techers can't level their giresta if I'm in the party.

That's what buff parties are made for. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif Kinda nice that a "super-healing" spell (I.E. Resta, Revival, and HP Regen effect in one) can level like a buff. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[MelanyKoura]

On 2007-11-15 15:08, Pillan wrote:

On 2007-11-15 15:05, MelanyKoura wrote:
Isn't that getting hit with the nerf stick really soon? =P


The opposite. All skills are getting buffed to be on-par or more powerful than Majarra.

And then hunters get Just Attack after that.

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So I guess techers are going to hell in a handbasket lined with fruits and fragrances soon? D:

[Ceresa]

It doesn't matter if you're a starter on the New England Patriots, the last picked for your P.E. dodgeball team, or the only Force in your PSU group, you join a team, you bring your A game. For a force, part of that A game involves buffing when buffs are down. And you do it in a pleasant manner without making a scene like it's so tedious and people should feel privileged you are deciding to buff them this time.

My god it takes 10 seconds every 4 minutes, suck it up and just do it and get over yourself if you think it's some great charity you are doing. Privilege indeed.

Don't want to buff? Don't play force or go solo, otherwise your teamwork skills are too pitiful to make for a good party member.


It's people like you that not only show the complete arrogance of the NA community but also help define the elitist-sounding losers who play this game and that most people should stay away from.

I hope you don't think the JP servers are any different, no one over here wants a selfish force that won't buff.

[Pillan]

On 2007-11-15 15:19, MelanyKoura wrote:
So I guess techers are going to hell in a handbasket lined with fruits and fragrances soon? D:

Depends on how much the rod buff and cast tech time changes effect things, but I wouldn't expect ranger or force to be able to keep up in damage anymore.



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[MelanyKoura]

On 2007-11-15 15:23, Ceresa wrote:
It doesn't matter if you're a starter on the New England Patriots, the last picked for your P.E. dodgeball team, or the only Force in your PSU group, you join a team, you bring your A game. For a force, part of that A game involves buffing when buffs are down. And you do it in a pleasant manner without making a scene like it's so tedious and people should feel privileged you are deciding to buff them this time.

My god it takes 10 seconds every 4 minutes, suck it up and just do it and get over yourself if you think it's some great charity you are doing. Privilege indeed.

Don't want to buff? Don't play force or go solo, otherwise your teamwork skills are too pitiful to make for a good party member.


It's people like you that not only show the complete arrogance of the NA community but also help define the elitist-sounding losers who play this game and that most people should stay away from.

I hope you don't think the JP servers are any different, no one over here wants a selfish force that won't buff.



Sounds like someone takes the game a little too seriously.

[Broodstar1337]

Buffs are a courtesy.

[Egg99]

On 2007-11-15 15:23, Ceresa wrote:

It's people like you that not only show the complete arrogance of the NA community but also help define the elitist-sounding losers who play this game and that most people should stay away from.

I hope you don't think the JP servers are any different, no one over here wants a selfish force that won't buff.



Nono, I don't think that at all. Nor am I trying to imply that Forces shouldn't buff. As a techer, I do it all the time, in any party. And I hardly find it tedious to do so.

I whole-heartedly agree that buffing helps the party in many ways and makes for good teamwork. However, saying it's someone's "duty" to buff just because they can and saying you'll boot them unless they otherwise do so (read: unless they conform to your elitist view of how they should play their class) is just downright stupid, and fucking arrogant to boot.

I agree that all Forces should help out any way they can, but if one joins my party and doesn't make it his number 1 priority to buff, I'm not gonna go out of my way to be a prick about it. Which, by the sounds of it, is exactly what Pillan does.

[Pillan]

On 2007-11-15 15:38, Egg99 wrote:
Which, by the sounds of it, is exactly what Pillan does.


Still haven't had to kick anyone for anything to this day, but I would if it came to that. Either I'm just lucky or most players just happen to realize the importance of buffing and healing as a first priority and, of course, they still manage to do damage for the 3/4 minutes between all the support.

[EphekZ]

On 2007-11-15 12:44, Remedy wrote:
A duty for the techers.

A privilege for the non-techers.

Edit: The irony of it seems that anyone who played PSO at ALL seems to agree with me. The only techers shirking their duty as supporters are those that were never a FO when being a FO mattered.

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End of the thread right here. If you've played PSO you'd have a proper sense of helping out your team. PSU is all about ME ME ME. I only play with PSO vets and we get things done a lot better.

[Ceresa]

Sounds like someone takes the game a little too seriously.

Other people's time and enjoyment is indeed serious to me, I would prefer to not detract from their experience if I have the option to make it better.

So sorry I can see beyond myself.

[Sev]

I play a Fortefighter right... A beast Fortefighter at that... Is it okay for me not to use a gun against a flying mob? I mean, I have the ability, but it really doesn't make a HUGE difference so it's fine right? This isn't to say that I don't use a gun now, but I mean... Why pay for and upgrade my guns, when I suck with them anyway? Just because I have the ability as a Fortefighter to use a gun and continue to fight against mobs that are out of reach, doesn't mean that I should have to, and everyone should be okay with that.

[Jife_Jifremok]

On 2007-11-15 15:50, Ceresa wrote:

Sounds like someone takes the game a little too seriously.

Other people's time and enjoyment is indeed serious to me, I would prefer to not detract from their experience if I have the option to make it better.

So sorry I can see beyond myself.



And by giving OTHERS grief for THEM not doing as YOU please doesn't at all detract from THEIR experience. Right.

[EphekZ]

Sev, that has to be the worst comparison ever. For one, everyone knows FFs aren't meant to deal good damage with guns, even though they do so it'd be wise to carry at least one.
Second, ALL forces are meant to use their support techs. It's not like FFs where they just tacked on a handgun because there's bosses that require them. However, a class that has FORCE in it, I.E. GT, WT, AT, FT should use whatever they can to better the team overall.
Try again, thanks.

edit:


And by giving OTHERS grief for THEM not doing as YOU please doesn't at all detract from THEIR experience. Right.

one would hope, by bettering yourself to help others, those people wouldn't be dicks and help you out as well. It's common sense really.

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[Sev]

But I wasn't making a comparison at all. I'm just saying, I really don't have to... And it's perfectly fine.

[EphekZ]

So how is that not a comparison? Or it's just you being totally irrelevant, either way good job.

[Sev]

When am I not totally irrelevant?

And it's not a comparison, simply because I never made it one. Maybe if I said...

"That would be like me as a Fortefighter not using a gun on flying mobs because my Beasts ATA is laughable." I didn't do that at all though.

Still, it's more or less something that you either do, or don't do. I really thought about not having a gun at all for awhile... But if I'm not hitting the monster, then I just don't feel right inside. Thanks for commenting though, I was getting bored for a second.

[pikachief]

layers should be able to play without buffs.

Nuff said.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-15 15:50, Ceresa wrote:
Other people's time and enjoyment is indeed serious to me, I would prefer to not detract from their experience if I have the option to make it better.

So sorry I can see beyond myself.Respect for Ceresa +100%

[Mystil]

On my FOne, I did use support techs because I loved it. Rather it was a duty or privilage never occured to me at all.

[Remedy]

On my Foney, I used them because we were fuck-all useless without them, and it was actually APPRECIATED by the HUs and RAs gathered around me.

[Mystil]

On 2007-11-15 16:37, Remedy wrote:
On my Foney, I used them because we were fuck-all useless without them,


That's your opinion.

[Reipard]

I knew it'd go up in smoke soon enough.
Commence the popcorn!

[Remedy]

...did you ever play Ultimate? Did you ever try nuking things? Did you ever watch a HUcast with 50 Hit Charge Vulcans doing like... 20+ times the damage you could do? Did you ever try meleeing and find out that, for some dumb-ass reason, the class with the lowest ATP and highest TP did more damage meleeing than nuking because every monster had like... 80 or higher in every fucking elemental resist?

It's becoming the same way in PSU, too.

[Rizen]

I highly disagree with techs being "as bad" as they were in PSU....and I really don't feel like saying anymore. No matter what people who know what they are doing will continue what they are doing. Those who don't will find out the hard way.

[EphekZ]

On 2007-11-15 16:42, Remedy wrote:
...did you ever play Ultimate? Did you ever try nuking things? Did you ever watch a HUcast with 50 Hit Charge Vulcans doing like... 20+ times the damage you could do? Did you ever try meleeing and find out that, for some dumb-ass reason, the class with the lowest ATP and highest TP did more damage meleeing than nuking because every monster had like... 80 or higher in every fucking elemental resist?

It's becoming the same way in PSU, too.



Perhaps Mystil played offline, Monsters had less resistance there, so nuking was a viable form of attack.

[BigBadWolf]

How did this dumb thread reach 8 pages?

Obviously any good techer job will be using their support techs.
And if you one of those people that don't care about what other people think then you won't be here reading PSO-World polls.

Lock

[Sychosis]

On 2007-11-15 15:33, Broodstar1337 wrote:
Buffs are a courtesy.



Someone with a brain http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

No one has the right to demand anything from anyone unless they are paying that $10 bill for them.

Techers should not be pompous asses withholding buffs/debuffs/heals to teach people respect or whatever garbage they are spewing.

That said, if you have them on hand, why not do yourself a favor and help the entire team get through things faster?

[Randomness]

On 2007-11-15 17:20, BigBadWolf wrote:
How did this dumb thread reach 8 pages?

Obviously any good techer job will be using their support techs.
And if you one of those people that don't care about what other people think then you won't be here reading PSO-World polls.

Lock



Um... this is about the most blatant flamebaiting I've seen in a very long time.

That said, I dont buff for one simple reason: Buff parties bored me to death.

And of course, everyone else had buffs that were equal to or better than mine, so I let them do it, and now... I just don't care anymore, they're all level 6, level way too slowly, and such.

Now, if someone were to tell me that, say, Megistar leveled like Majarra, or something, I might be bothered to pick up a buffing tech. (And yes, I do know its self-only)

[mizukage]

Depending on the situation and the circumstances, it can be either a privilege or a duty.

If your comrades never heal/buff you, whether it be technics or items, then it is their privilege to have you heal and/or buff them.

If your comrades always heal/buff you, whether it be technics or items, then it is your duty to heal/buff them when necessary or whenever it is possible to do so.

[Rashiid]

On 2007-11-15 17:20, BigBadWolf wrote:
How did this dumb thread reach 8 pages?


Only 3 if you have 50 posts per page like me http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Reipard]

Um... this is about the most blatant flamebaiting I've seen in a very long time.

You mean outside of the whole topic?

[oooWaveooo]

Yes, it's a duty and if i were a non techer i would bot crap forces who don't buff and heal. this is like a fortefighter who only uses a 1 single pistol.

See, you have the spells for a reason.

[Sasamichan]

Duty for techers to have them and leveled and use when nessecary, Privilage to stay around when they are being used.

[PhdChristmas]

As a Fortegunner:
If you want buffs. Buy them.

If you want debuffs applied. Roll and play a techer.

Expecting heals? dont.
Expecting heals from a Techer is the clearest path to undoing yourself.

-Though, on my FT i do my best to keep buffs running on everyone and healthy. Even if it means taking svaltus's sword into the face. Ridiculously Colorful and Informative macros ftw~

[SakuraJr]

I think it's sort of both in a way. Yes it's a privilege for a techer to help you out in the long run, but then again, in order to have a smoother mission run, fighting crazy powerful monsters and all, you need back up support from your other teammates. I'm a support techer myself,( and a CAST omg buffs from a CAST!!?!?!), and, by nature irl, like helping others.

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[DAMASCUS]

I say its a duty because being a force has always been about strengthening team work. You won't have nearly as easy time nuking with the hunters running in to keep the monsters at a distance...and for that you should heal and buff them when needed.

That being said it is not always needed or possible and thats where the frustration comes in. If my party is clearly demolishing everything before I can get off a couple nukes then there is no need for much support since its clearly a speed run, but to keep it speedy you wind up forsaking any experience. Someone may even get stunned but you can't get to them in time to use reverser and then you get bitched out when they die.

In other words...just use your noggin

[Sasamichan]

On 2007-11-16 02:37, DAMASCUS wrote:
I say its a duty because being a force has always been about strengthening team work. You won't have nearly as easy time nuking with the hunters running in to keep the monsters at a distance...and for that you should heal and buff them when needed.

That being said it is not always needed or possible and thats where the frustration comes in. If my party is clearly demolishing everything before I can get off a couple nukes then there is no need for much support since its clearly a speed run, but to keep it speedy you wind up forsaking any experience. Someone may even get stunned but you can't get to them in time to use reverser and then you get bitched out when they die.

In other words...just use your noggin



QFFT

[MelanyKoura]

It's still funny how those who say it's a duty say that people have to do something. You need to wake up and see that no one has to do anything, especially what you say. If a techer doesn't wana buff, leave them alone! I've met plenty of techers that have all attack spells and no buff spells (Of course they still had Resta and Reverser). I didn't care.

There's something called "Booster Items" people. Look them up, buy them, use them. Don't want to? You don't want buffs bad enough.

There's another type of item called.... *gasp!* "RESTORATIVE ITEMS!" Pop a 'mate for crying out loud, they don't cost a million meseta; grow up.

If I met anyone in this topic that says support in general is a duty, I'd probably let you waste scapes for a bit, laugh, then leave. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif Anyone who demands buffs or Resta, Reverser, or Giresta on the grounds that it's my duty isn't worth my time.


And for those who have never played a techer, go try it. I know when I did, I gained a greater respect for what they have to do and the s*** they gotta go through at times; you could learn that too. If you don't, you don't have much room to speak so hush. =/



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[Remedy]

On 2007-11-16 04:18, MelanyKoura wrote:
If a techer doesn't wana buff, leave them alone!Actually, as a fellow Fortecher, I will bust their chops for not performing their class's job to its maximum potential. As a fellow member of their class, I have that right.

[Shou]

Support techs are my duty to my teammates as a Burning Ranger.

[MelanyKoura]

On 2007-11-16 04:20, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-16 04:18, MelanyKoura wrote:
If a techer doesn't wana buff, leave them alone!Actually, as a fellow Fortecher, I will bust their chops for not performing their class's job to its maximum potential. As a fellow member of their class, I have that right.

You can, but if they don't care you're wasting your time.

Everyone seems to be locked in the mentality that just because they can do something means that it's what someone has to do. Like I said before, no one has to do anything; it's all just how you (as in YOURSELF, NOT others) wants to play. Telling someone else they have to do something is rather wrong (I'm not speaking mission wise or to get from point A to point B or stuff like that), how I see it. You're trying to push your values onto someone else, thus negating their personal playing style and turning them into you. Last I checked, we're supposed to be a somewhat unique society, not a bunch of motonous clones.



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[Callous]

On 2007-11-16 04:20, Remedy wrote:Actually, as a fellow Fortecher, I will bust their chops for not performing their class's job to its maximum potential. As a fellow member of their class, I have that right.

Lol ... no, Remedy, no you don't.

Jesus.

[Gen2000]

Duty I guess if I had to choose. I don't really care if you but I honestly can't see why a FO wouldn't Buff or Heal, yeah there are some bad FOs on our servers who aren't on top of the heal/buff game but it's been a long time since I've seen FOs that goes out of their way to not heal or buff the team (and like use Megistar instead). They still heal even if it's half-assed or buff at least once a mission.

As a Fortetecher myself I just can't see why not to do it...Fortetecher's damage output is not that amazing compared to melee and gunners unless doing robot missions (but Gunner KS party > -Zonde FO party for that) and you're the only class, at the moment, that can use Tier 3 buffs. You're basically slowing down the team on purpose by not doing so, if that's the case I would rather have a Spear using Wartecher or a Gunner if doing robot missions.

People always throwing around the "play how you want" card, for people who say that I'll remember that whenever I join your games. As a Fighter I'll make sure to use a 3* neutral Saber with no Handgun (I'm not a Gunner, I don't need guns) along with no scapes. Better not hear shit either because I'm "playing how I want".

[Raine_Loire]

On 2007-11-15 13:43, EvilSlacker wrote:
well the fighter looks at the force and sees a bandaid. the force looks at the fighter and sees a meat shield. its all in the perspective.



QFT. And my 2 cents is that I resta whenever it's needed, spam resta in hard boss fights, and buff if I get a time when everyone is already together. I don't chase people down like I'm a border collie. Honestly, I don't care if they don't. I don't think it's my DUTY, I do it because I might as well get some use out of my techs. And for the record, I was a Fomarl in the original PSO (DC version) and I'd never say it's a forces duty to support. I knew techers when I played on the pc/ps2 servers that don't even have any support techs.


On 2007-11-16 05:44, Gen2000 wrote:


People always throwing around the "play how you want" card, for people who say that I'll remember that whenever I join your games. As a Fighter I'll make sure to use a 3* neutral Saber with no Handgun (I'm not a Gunner, I don't need guns) along with no scapes. Better not hear shit either because I'm "playing how I want".



You can do that anytime in my game, big guy. But I don't want to hear shit if I play how I want and don't heal you or moon ya.

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[Iduno]

On 2007-11-16 04:18, MelanyKoura wrote:
It's still funny how those who say it's a duty say that people have to do something. You need to wake up and see that no one has to do anything, especially what you say. If a techer doesn't wana buff, leave them alone! I've met plenty of techers that have all attack spells and no buff spells (Of course they still had Resta and Reverser). I didn't care.

There's something called "Booster Items" people. Look them up, buy them, use them. Don't want to? You don't want buffs bad enough.

There's another type of item called.... *gasp!* "RESTORATIVE ITEMS!" Pop a 'mate for crying out loud, they don't cost a million meseta; grow up.

If I met anyone in this topic that says support in general is a duty, I'd probably let you waste scapes for a bit, laugh, then leave. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif Anyone who demands buffs or Resta, Reverser, or Giresta on the grounds that it's my duty isn't worth my time.


And for those who have never played a techer, go try it. I know when I did, I gained a greater respect for what they have to do and the s*** they gotta go through at times; you could learn that too. If you don't, you don't have much room to speak so hush. =/



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quoted for the truth and btw to the 3* sabre guy, griefing and playing how you want are different things and your 3* sabre trick would count as griefing (unless is your normal weapon which you even use soloing)



and yes as stated before I do buff when possible but dont expect a portable buff machine on call whenever your buff is down I dont mind people asking then actually coming to me for the buff but demanding that I must run after them being their buff machine is a big no-no and complaining about the buffs levels is going to, at the start of the mission lose you your force or near the middle lose you any further buffs and at the end the force altogether for being an ungrateful moron (im not asking for thanks just no complaints about buff levels)

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[Gen2000]

On 2007-11-16 06:06, Raine_Loire wrote:
You can do that anytime in my game, big guy. But I don't want to hear shit if I play how I want and don't heal you or moon ya.


That's cool, I wouldn't want to hear shit about wasting your time by dropping the rank to C. I mean if I don't get mooned I will have to return to lobby because I still want exp. You can't be hogging it all.



quoted for the truth and btw to the 3* sabre guy, griefing and playing how you want are different things and your 3* sabre trick would count as griefing (unless is your normal weapon which you even use soloing)


What if I thought the 3* Saber was the most awesome weapon in the game because of it's color and design? It's my $10, I'm playing how I want.

[Chaosgyro]

The "they pay their 10 bucks" argument is exceptionally flimsy, because we ALL pay our 10 bucks. It's like the old saying, "my right to swing my fist ends where the tip of your nose begins". Well your right to abuse your 10 bucks ends where my 10 bucks, and group, begins.

If the most important thing in the world is playing how you want to play then grab some NPCs and go solo. A group isn't 6 people playing their own way, it's a single unit working together to create synergy. If they don't work together suddenly the whole is worth a whole lot LESS than the sum of its parts.

That's where techers who refuse to support come in. FTs, WT, AT, and even GT can nuke (and I would hope that they spend most of their time doing damage...needing a constant medic means you should drop rank or find a new group), but they can also support. Refusing to do that not only means that you're putting yourself above the betterment and efficiency of the group it means that I simply can't trust you. If a player is so wrapped up in their own precious playstyle to toss the occasional buff or heal then they're probably selfish enough to try any number of shenanigans. If they aren't, if they're simply people who refuse to put down the Diga-stick, then they shouldn't have put on wolf's clothing. No loss to me to avoid them either, I can always find a force who does both.

[Broodstar1337]

On 2007-11-16 06:35, Gen2000 wrote:

On 2007-11-16 06:06, Raine_Loire wrote:
You can do that anytime in my game, big guy. But I don't want to hear shit if I play how I want and don't heal you or moon ya.


That's cool, I wouldn't want to hear shit about wasting your time by dropping the rank to C. I mean if I don't get mooned I will have to return to lobby because I still want exp. You can't be hogging it all.



After awhile, you're just gonna get your rat ass booted. At that point, you're not just playing how you want to play, you're ruining everyone else's fun.

[EMPYREAN]

it shure hell isent a duty to buff ppl. ppl should play the way they want to, not the way other ppl tells them to do.
whenever im buffing i type "rebuffing". if some ppl will not gather around me thats NOT my problem. and when it comes to resta, im not gonna run to every1 to heal them. the mates r there for a reason. only exeption is the ppl that nanoblast, they cant use mates.

[Lamak]

It depends on the class.

[Midicronica]

On 2007-11-15 12:46, Pillan wrote:
It’s a duty. Playing a class that has the ability to increase the entire team’s efficiency and not using that ability is just dumb. Sitting around and expecting praise or thanks for buffing or healing is like a Fortefighter expecting praise for his last 3000+ damage critical or a Fortegunner expecting praise for stunning large mobs or burning things.

And I’d kick anyone not doing any of the above things mentioned because if you’re not you obviously don’t know how to play the class, nor should you be. If you don’t want to heal and buff and just want to deal high damage, play hunter.



This sums up how I feel about it.

[DarthRuin]

It may be your 9.99, but it's our 49.95, and we'd like it if you could take the time out of your uber pwnage to buff and heal us.

[Tsundere]

On 2007-11-15 12:44, Remedy wrote:
A duty for the techers.

A privilege for the non-techers.

Edit: The irony of it seems that anyone who played PSO at ALL seems to agree with me. The only techers shirking their duty as supporters are those that were never a FO when being a FO mattered.

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I played PSO DC and PSO PC as a FO primarily and I say it's a privilege. A good FO in PSO was easily able to solo without having a hunter or ranger hold their hand through it.

[Schubalts]

On 2007-11-16 10:15, DarthRuin wrote:
It may be your 9.99, but it's our 49.95, and we'd like it if you could take the time out of your uber pwnage to buff and heal us.



Stop that. Your 49.95? Protip: Different people have different opinions; until every player except for that one non-buffer thinks support is a duty it will never be "your 49.95" against their 9.95. And the majority of the players(that I have partied with) know how to add healing items to their pallette and how to use them when they're about to die instead of running back into a mob of enemies just because there is a technique user in the party.

[Egg99]

On 2007-11-16 04:20, Remedy wrote:
Actually, as a fellow Fortecher, I will bust their chops for not performing their class's job to its maximum potential. As a fellow member of their class, I have that right.



Wow.

No, you really don't. Your view on the matter is just as bad as some of the others that I'm reading.

[willym]

I have a set of friends I group with almost exclusively. I'm usually the only force type in the party and I prefer helping to keep the group moving. After the initial set of buffs I like to reapply buffs during fights rather than stopping in between a fight. Taking that break feels like it stops the momentum once we've gotten into a killing groove. Also, these friends actually pay enough attention to use mates or -ides if a force isn't near them, and will get me out of stuns or freezes as well. In this ideal situation, keeping the group a well oiled killing machine is not a big deal.

When I'm playing as a non-techer class I have no expectation from a force to support the group if they don't feel like it. I will try to keep the items in my inventory at all times. If they ask everyone to gather for buffs between fights then I let them know I appreciate it.

In short, privilege.

[Gen2000]

On 2007-11-16 07:46, Broodstar1337

After awhile, you're just gonna get your rat ass booted. At that point, you're not just playing how you want to play, you're ruining everyone else's fun.



I would get booted because I wanted exp yet no one wanted to revive me? Heh that's funny, like those that boot crappy melees or FOs that don't like to boot/heal. Hm this sounds familiar...oh shi, yeah. "Playing how I want" card doesn't sound so great now does it.

[DarthRuin]

Why did you bump this /facepalm

[Kelvie]

To me, support is a duty, but players have to understand that most peoples don't want to spend all their time doing that just 'cause the job they chose is good at it.

Support, yes, constant resta spam, no.

[Kamiense]

Support is a privilege. I'll buff at the beginning of the party, and right before a boss, but I refuse to slow a party down to add a pathetic 15% boost on damage, especially now that JA is in.

It's just not needed all the time, and people can carry 20 buffing items and 70 healing items. I'm not their father.