You know what would've been BETTER than Just Attack?

[Egg99]

...is if they "just" took out the spam combat system in its entirety.

Just Attack is great, don't get me wrong. Not only does it bring back a little nostalgia but it also adds a pinch of thought to the combat system.

...

...but I really don't get it.

Why wouldn't they just remove the mash-attack-button system altogether? Instead of making JA's do 1.5x damage as an incentive to actually use them, wouldn't it have made more sense just to bring back timed attacks as the standard for combat? In my opinion that would've been a vastly superior idea; people wouldn't be bitching about such stupidly big numbers and at the same time we'd get an old hardcore PSO feel to the combat. I dunno, just thinking out loud really.

[AxelgearVII]

No.

[DraginHikari]

What would have that improved? The reason those were given to hunters is because of the tad disadvantage Hunter-typeshad in the first place.

[RedMussel]

On 2007-11-16 22:03, DraginHikari wrote:
What would have that improved? The reason those were given to hunters is because of the tad disadvantage Hunter-typeshad in the first place.

[Remedy]

On 2007-11-16 22:02, AxelgearVII wrote:
No.Right, because god forbid Techers have a glimmer of hope of being able to compete with meleers.

[Sgt_Shligger]

I like this idea. The only reason JA was introduced was to force people to time attacks. If they just stuck with the PSO system where you had to time attacks and just made standard moves stronger, then it would be fair.

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-16 22:12, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:02, AxelgearVII wrote:
No.Right, because god forbid Techers have a glimmer of hope of being able to compete with meleers.

[ljkkjlcm9]

actually I was discussing this earlier, something like 100% accuracy for perfect timed attack would've been better imo

THE JACKEL

[Sev]

Yeah... Sega needs to hurry up and do something so Fighters are out of the spotlight. I'm too shy to have all of this attention directed at my job, and people are starting to think that I don't need them anymore. I'm lonely guys, don't leave me all alone because I got a boost. T-T

[pikachief]

On 2007-11-16 22:32, ljkkjlcm9 wrote:
actually I was discussing this earlier, something like 100% accuracy for perfect timed attack would've been better imo

THE JACKEL



have u ever forgotten to type "THE JACKAL" at the end? or do u always remeber?

y not jsut put it in your sig? XD

[Shishi-O]

On 2007-11-16 22:03, DraginHikari wrote:
What would have that improved? The reason those were given to hunters is because of the tad disadvantage Hunter-typeshad in the first place.

" tad "??

how bout huge?

[Mortalis]

On 2007-11-16 22:12, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:02, AxelgearVII wrote:
No.Right, because god forbid Techers have a glimmer of hope of being able to compete with meleers.



Funny how times have changed. Hunters were thought to be superior in the beginning of PSU. Then FT's were thought to be rediculously broken. Now Hunters are back on top...God damn. Hows about we play the game just to have fun and not worry about which class is better?

[RemiusTA]

On 2007-11-16 21:55, Egg99 wrote:
...is if they "just" took out the spam combat system in its entirety.

Just Attack is great, don't get me wrong. Not only does it bring back a little nostalgia but it also adds a pinch of thought to the combat system.

...

...but I really don't get it.

Why wouldn't they just remove the mash-attack-button system altogether? Instead of making JA's do 1.5x damage as an incentive to actually use them, wouldn't it have made more sense just to bring back timed attacks as the standard for combat? In my opinion that would've been a vastly superior idea; people wouldn't be bitching about such stupidly big numbers and at the same time we'd get an old hardcore PSO feel to the combat. I dunno, just thinking out loud really.



Long story short, No.


And i never really asked this, but Techers cant benefit from JA with magic, can they?


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[Mangekyou]

My GOD! Don't complain, it's not like Sega sticks you a job (Hunter etc) and tells you to suck it up you get it!
They made it a choice for a reason, if you feel like bitching that much just go switch to hunter and start leveling... jezus!

[Remedy]

No, of course not.

We don't even get the Just Counter auto-critical, either. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_nono.gif

[Mangekyou]

...

Force still get one major benefit. They can attack from a safe distance with relatively low danger. I can easily not get hit on my force on extra mode, but my hunter dies all the time. I lost my first whitill wing and dagger of serafi from that on my hunter! But my force kept them cuz he never dies :/

[Callous]

Completely agree with topic starter. I thought the same thing, and in my opinion it should have been that way from day one.

But hell, I'm not complaining too much. JA has addressed one of my major problems with PSU and I'm very happy it's there now.

[RegulusHikari]

On 2007-11-17 04:00, Mortalis wrote:
God damn. Hows about we play the game just to have fun and not worry about which class is better?

[Schubalts]

On 2007-11-17 05:52, RegulusHikari wrote:

On 2007-11-17 04:00, Mortalis wrote:
God damn. Hows about we play the game just to have fun and not worry about which class is better?





You know that will never happen. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[Weeaboolits]

Accuracy isn't factored into the use of techs, isn't that an advantage for techers? ;o

Also, do techs even hit critical? I don't know, they just kind of kill everything offline. >.>;

[Sekani]

Making the timed-attack system the unavoidable standard would destroy PSU's combat engine.

You nostalgic nuts have gotten enough of your inferior game into the current one, learn when to call it a fucking day.

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-17 07:25, Sekani wrote:
Making the timed-attack system the unavoidable standard would destroy PSU's combat engine.


Because people don't have the coordination not do jumping jacks on their controller? I don't get it. The Normal/Hard/Special system worked. This doesn't.

[McLaughlin]

On 2007-11-16 22:12, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:02, AxelgearVII wrote:
No.Right, because god forbid Techers have a glimmer of hope of being able to compete with meleers.



You aren't supposed to be able to compete. That's the whole point.

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-17 14:08, Obsidian_Knight wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:12, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:02, AxelgearVII wrote:
No.Right, because god forbid Techers have a glimmer of hope of being able to compete with meleers.



You aren't supposed to be able to compete. That's the whole point.



Not in terms of damage, no. But enemies should live long enough for other classes to serve a purpose. Why have debuffs and SE if they are dead before the force can get the spell off, or 1 tick of Virus can set in (assuming it's even alive long enough to land the SE).



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[Broodstar1337]

On 2007-11-17 04:19, Mangekyou wrote:
...

Force still get one major benefit. They can attack from a safe distance with relatively low danger. I can easily not get hit on my force on extra mode, but my hunter dies all the time. I lost my first whitill wing and dagger of serafi from that on my hunter! But my force kept them cuz he never dies :/



Rangers can fight from a distance and they do a better job at it.

[McLaughlin]

On 2007-11-17 14:46, amtalx wrote:

On 2007-11-17 14:08, Obsidian_Knight wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:12, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:02, AxelgearVII wrote:
No.Right, because god forbid Techers have a glimmer of hope of being able to compete with meleers.



You aren't supposed to be able to compete. That's the whole point.



Not in terms of damage, no. But enemies should live long enough for other classes to serve a purpose. Why have debuffs and SE if they are dead before the force can get the spell off, or 1 tick of Virus can set in (assuming it's even alive long enough to land the SE).



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I wasn't saying that it doesn't seem a little out of whack. It's just that his constant bitching about his class not having a monopoly on every portion of combat is really wearing on me.

[EphekZ]

wow, we haven't even gotten AoI yet and people bitch already...pathetic.

[DrizaSiegmund]

On 2007-11-16 21:55, Egg99 wrote:
...is if they "just" took out the spam combat system in its entirety.

Just Attack is great, don't get me wrong. Not only does it bring back a little nostalgia but it also adds a pinch of thought to the combat system.

...

...but I really don't get it.

Why wouldn't they just remove the mash-attack-button system altogether? Instead of making JA's do 1.5x damage as an incentive to actually use them, wouldn't it have made more sense just to bring back timed attacks as the standard for combat? In my opinion that would've been a vastly superior idea; people wouldn't be bitching about such stupidly big numbers and at the same time we'd get an old hardcore PSO feel to the combat. I dunno, just thinking out loud really.


You know i have this thing.. when someone implements something new & exciting, I accept - appreciate AND enjoy it O,O have you tried that b'fore?

I'm a Newman Fighgunner / Wartecher, and for the FIRST TIME I get to NOT be the embarrassing person who is hitting for 20 damage on B Rank missions, and oft missing exp due to hitting for Zero.

I've been soo happy I tell my friends all the time.


On 2007-11-16 21:55, Egg99 wrote:
I dunno, just thinking out loud really.


And don't ever let it happen again :/
Now let's ALL mention something we like! O,O



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[Nyreal]

A callback to PSO would be rather nice... But I like the fact that this game is different.

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-17 21:35, EphekZ wrote:
wow, we haven't even gotten AoI yet and people bitch already...pathetic.



A lot of this is fueled by JP. True, we don't have it yet, but it's already a reality.

[Mystil]

On 2007-11-17 04:00, Mortalis wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:12, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:02, AxelgearVII wrote:
No.Right, because god forbid Techers have a glimmer of hope of being able to compete with meleers.



Funny how times have changed. Hunters were thought to be superior in the beginning of PSU. Then FT's were thought to be rediculously broken. Now Hunters are back on top...God damn. Hows about we play the game just to have fun and not worry about which class is better?


Even if they were on par it would not be enough. Even if they could do more damage than melee, it would not be enough. Until people are able to one shot bosses, this will never stop.

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-17 22:50, Mystil wrote:

On 2007-11-17 04:00, Mortalis wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:12, Remedy wrote:

On 2007-11-16 22:02, AxelgearVII wrote:
No.Right, because god forbid Techers have a glimmer of hope of being able to compete with meleers.



Funny how times have changed. Hunters were thought to be superior in the beginning of PSU. Then FT's were thought to be rediculously broken. Now Hunters are back on top...God damn. Hows about we play the game just to have fun and not worry about which class is better?


Even if they were on par it would not be enough. Even if they could do more damage than melee, it would not be enough. Until people are able to one shot bosses, this will never stop.



Regardless of the favored class in the past, never has there been a time where a single combo could knock out an entire mob. The system in the past has been unbalanced, yes, but now its simply broken.

[Mystil]

And if they nerf it to hell, there will be big baby modes flying about that.

[panzer_unit]

On 2007-11-17 23:04, amtalx wrote:
Regardless of the favored class in the past, never has there been a time where a single combo could knock out an entire mob. The system in the past has been unbalanced, yes, but now its simply broken.


If the gunners I was with last night weren't taking out an olgohmon each in the time it took me to run to melee range, I'd be inclined to agree.

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-19 11:22, panzer_unit wrote:

On 2007-11-17 23:04, amtalx wrote:
Regardless of the favored class in the past, never has there been a time where a single combo could knock out an entire mob. The system in the past has been unbalanced, yes, but now its simply broken.


If the gunners I was with last night weren't taking out an olgohmon each in the time it took me to run to melee range, I'd be inclined to agree.



Well I can take out a single enemy before anyone gets there with the old system if I get there first. My point was only that fighters can wipe out entire spawns before the supporting classes get a chance to support. Honestly, the fighter damage isn't really what I have a problem with. It's that ST didn't give us enemies powerful enough to justify the current level of damage output. I think this is true for all classes in a way, but particularly true for fighters.

EDIT: And by "fighters" I mean a single fighter.

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[panzer_unit]

Yeah, I can't wait for tougher enemies. Right now there's room for a hint of strategy sometimes, giving your gunner a chance to flip the monster with a grenade before you start piling in with melee... waiting a second for that freeze or silence to proc before charging a Vanda... it's going to take higher-level enemies before a full team will break a sweat at all.

(I wonder if ST would be so kind as to un-nerf some of the rebalanced missions?)

[amtalx]

On 2007-11-19 12:04, panzer_unit wrote:
(I wonder if ST would be so kind as to un-nerf some of the rebalanced missions?)


*prays*

I think I'm the only person that wants the original bees back.

[Chuck_Norris]

On 2007-11-17 07:25, Sekani wrote:
Making the timed-attack system the unavoidable standard would destroy PSU's combat engine.

You nostalgic nuts have gotten enough of your inferior game into the current one, learn when to call it a fucking day.



Thank you, GOD thank you! The whole PSO "slowed down combat" type of gameplay made it downright boring at times. With Just Attack, you can button mash if you want. Or you can slow it down, and do more damage. But God forbid you crazy-ass PSO fanatics don't get what you want.

[Nyreal]

I wouldn't call PSO inferior. The gameplay in this is much more fun, however, the premise, story, design, monsters, and levels were far superior in execution and inspiration.

But I will give you that PSU's combat, job, and weapon systems are much more entertaining.