AotI: New Sword PA in AOI?

[TetsuyaHikari]

I just looked through Youtube and saw all sorts of Photon Arts for multiple weapons, but..there wasn't a video at all for the Sword. I heard recently in-game, there is a new PA for the Sword called, "Absolute Break".

I tried looking it up, but couldn't find anything on it at all. So, I was just curious if it exists, and if it does, does Japan already have it? When can we expect it? Is there anywhere to see it?

Anyway, that's all I was wondering, really. I'm just looking forward to another advancement to the Swords http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Jao]

i think its Absolute Dance?

[TetsuyaHikari]

No no, I saw that. It was for the Double Sabers. All Sword PAs end with, "Break" in the name, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is the name of it, but..I just can't find anything on it at all, sooo..maybe the guy was lying?

http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

[Jao]

nah if anything the name wouldnt be that if there was one out.

[DraginHikari]

Strange thing other then the ones we've heard about already are there plans for more I wonder....

[Chuck_Norris]

On 2007-11-18 22:58, Jao wrote:
nah if anything the name wouldnt be that if there was one out.



It wouldn't be the first time. Bogga Robado and Dus Robado share the Robado name.

[TetsuyaHikari]

On 2007-11-18 22:58, Jao wrote:
nah if anything the name wouldnt be that if there was one out.



You're kidding, right?

We have:

Spinning Break
Tornado Break
Gravity Break

Sooo..you're saying the chances of us getting something called, "Absolute BREAK" are slim and it wouldn't be called that?

If anything, I'd be surprised if it didn't have "Break" in the title, with that trend going http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif

[Jao]

the saber and sword pa names share it to. grav strike, spinging, but not rising and tornado

[DraginHikari]

That didn't effect some of the other weapons though

Twin Saber = Crush = Cross Hurricane?

[Jao]

im guessing it might be the same name as the saber pa

[Jao]

snaps your right =o

[Phetty]

I believe Tylor uses a new Saber PA thats unreleased in JP. So its possible the Axe, Sword, Spear, Saber, and dagger will all get new PAs. It seems to follow the pattern PSU V1 did with Ultimate PAs being released.

[TetsuyaHikari]

Well, I'm not really familiar with the other weapons' PAs, but..the Sword has three which all end with the same name.."Break".

I don't know, I just find it kind of hard for it to be anything different from that, but first, I'd like to even know if a new Sword PA exists in AOI >.>

The name of it may not have, "Break" in it at all, but I don't even know if there is a Sword PA yet http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

[AxelgearVII]

On 2007-11-18 23:03, Kikumaru wrote:

On 2007-11-18 22:58, Jao wrote:
nah if anything the name wouldnt be that if there was one out.



You're kidding, right?

We have:

Spinning Break
Tornado Break
Gravity Break

Sooo..you're saying the chances of us getting something called, "Absolute BREAK" are slim and it wouldn't be called that?

If anything, I'd be surprised if it didn't have "Break" in the title, with that trend going http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime2.gif



Well, swords and double sabers do have a similar pattern of names. Spinning Break/Spiral Dance being the exception. I almost wouldn't be surprised if the Sword VIIF PA were Absolute Break.

[Zael]

Gravity Strike, Spinning Strike, Rising Strike...

lol it could be Rising Break too!

[Chuck_Norris]

On 2007-11-18 23:13, Kikumaru wrote:
The name of it may not have, "Break" in it at all, but I don't even know if there is a Sword PA yet http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif



Every type of PA has the same name in it. Swords are "Break", Axes are "Anga", Fists are "bogga". Spears are "dus", ect ect...

[Zorafim]

I'm rather looking forward to a new sword PA myself. After this update, swords have to be the worst melee weapons I've used. They might be worse than single claws now.

[Pengfishh]

Worse than single claws my word!

[McLaughlin]

Several of the new PAs break their naming patterns though, like the Twin Dagger.

[omegapirate2k]

I'm guessing we'll see atleast one new PA for every weapon type by the end of AoI.

[TetsuyaHikari]

On 2007-11-19 08:29, Zorafim wrote:
I'm rather looking forward to a new sword PA myself. After this update, swords have to be the worst melee weapons I've used. They might be worse than single claws now.



Blasphemy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif

They aren't the worst melee weapon! I can hit three enemies with three swings and regain 27 PP (not counting Just Attack). How is that bad? Bah, well..you just don't know how to control the Sword.

That's okay though. You're more of a spear-type anyway http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

And we better get the Sword PA before the end of AOI >.>

I don't want to wait THAT long http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

EDIT: Quick! Someone bring EspioKaos in here. He's like the guru of PSU http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Kikumaru on 2007-11-19 11:08 ]</font>

[Rizen]

Critical Analysis turned on.

What we know:

Saber
1st: Rising Strike
2nd: Gravity Strike
3rd: Spinning Strike
4th: ????

Twin Saber
1st: Rising Crush
2nd: Assault Crush
3rd: Splendor Crush
4th: Cross Hurricane

Double Saber
1st: Spiral Dance
2nd: Gravity Dance
3rd: Tornado Dance
4th: Absolute Dance

Sword
1st: Tornado Break
2nd: Spinning Break
3rd: Gravity Break
4th: ????

What does this all mean?
Well. As we see there is a pattern. First noticeable one is the "Rising" series which is shared with Saber and Twin Saber. Next noticeable one is "Gravity" series shared by Saber, Double Saber, and Sword.

Now the not so noticeable ones starts is the "Spinning" series which not all of them share the exact same name. Saber and Sword does directly use "Spinning" but Double Saber could said to have a "Spinning" series in its PAs, that being Spiral Dance. Next one thats not so noticeable is the "Tornado" series. Double Saber and Sword uses it directly, but Twin Sabers have a similar naming, that being Cross Hurricane. I can assume all of them have something to do with a wind storm.

Now there are some left field naming of the PAs here: those being Assault Crush, Splendor Crush, Absolute Dance, and Cross Hurricane. Assault isn't used or have similarities to any of the other weapons. Possibly of there being one? Could be. As for Splendor and Absolute, they are oddballs in the fact that they have no connection in the pattern of naming , but they are kinda similar in a way that they both mean something distinctive. Possibly of a PA following this chain? Not likely. Although I said that Cross Hurricane shared a similar naming, it did throw a throw a curve ball by using Cross instead of Crush.

In conclusion, theres a good possibility that the Saber and Sword PA will follow one of the patterns I started above. Although like the Twin Saber and Double Saber, they can go left field with the naming

So some possibility of names (In my opinion):

4th Saber PA
Assault Strike
Hurricane Strike
Tornado Strike
Glamorous Strike (One I thought up)
True Strike (Another thought up one)

4th Sword PA
Assault Break (odd)
Hurricane Break (odd)
Absolute Break (*shrugs*)
Splendor Break
Shield Break (>.> Had to throw that in)

And...thats my analysis.

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[Zorafim]

On 2007-11-19 11:06, Kikumaru wrote:
Blasphemy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif

They aren't the worst melee weapon! I can hit three enemies with three swings and regain 27 PP (not counting Just Attack). How is that bad? Bah, well..you just don't know how to control the Sword.

That's okay though. You're more of a spear-type anyway http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

And we better get the Sword PA before the end of AOI >.>

I don't want to wait THAT long http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

EDIT: Quick! Someone bring EspioKaos in here. He's like the guru of PSU http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif




I've capped every PA of every melee weapon, including sword, before AoI. With Tornado Break, the damage that you're doing against a single target in most situations is much less than acceptable. Spinning Break's damage is much less than most other good PAs of the other weapons, not to mention more awkward. Gravity Break's damage is acceptable at 2k a hit, but it incredibly awkward to Just Attack, and takes too long to wait for the Just Attack. I've timed it taking longer than Anga Dugrega.


I can't believe you actually used the "I don't know what I'm doing" line.

[Crazy_Hunter]

Best Melee Weps:
1-Spear
2-Axe(Jabroga FTW!)
3-Swords
4-Knuckles

Thats how I see it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

[Jao]

it might be only 1 combo to

[SStrikerR]

well, in accordance to rizen's part about what the 4th sword's PA's name could be, it could be shield break. back before the original game came out, the sword's 2 PA names were tornado break, and shield break....makes me think that the 4th may just be this, "shield break"

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[ilovetypemoon]

On 2007-11-19 11:06, Kikumaru wrote:

On 2007-11-19 08:29, Zorafim wrote:
I'm rather looking forward to a new sword PA myself. After this update, swords have to be the worst melee weapons I've used. They might be worse than single claws now.



Blasphemy http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_argh.gif

They aren't the worst melee weapon! I can hit three enemies with three swings and regain 27 PP (not counting Just Attack). How is that bad? Bah, well..you just don't know how to control the Sword.

That's okay though. You're more of a spear-type anyway http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

And we better get the Sword PA before the end of AOI >.>

I don't want to wait THAT long http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_disapprove.gif

EDIT: Quick! Someone bring EspioKaos in here. He's like the guru of PSU http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Kikumaru on 2007-11-19 11:08 ]</font>


Sorry to say this as a fellow sword whore, but swords HAVE BEEN gimped due to the introduction of Just Attack.

I was happy with swords simply because of Gravity Break and the damage it can deal out in one combo (if all the hits land >_<) but Just Attack totally ruined it all. The regular swings are annoying and takes to long to just attack and that applies even more to gravity break. With the time I spend to fully JA my gravity break, I can probably complete almost two full combos of gravity break if I just spam the button. I can completely tear things apart with Anga Dugrega now with JA and I constantly hit over 3k two times on the last hit (on the same or two different enemies). Gravity break's last hit only hits 1 time on 2 targets and only does the same 3k (with atrocious hit rate). The only sword PA left usable IMO is tornado break with its incread hit targets and JA.

With JA so many other PA's are more powerful and efficient than the sword PA's. They need to rebalance or fix something in order to make swords look more favorable. I love swords and I hate what this update has done to it.

[TetsuyaHikari]

On 2007-11-19 11:40, Zorafim wrote:

I've capped every PA of every melee weapon, including sword, before AoI. With Tornado Break, the damage that you're doing against a single target in most situations is much less than acceptable. Spinning Break's damage is much less than most other good PAs of the other weapons, not to mention more awkward. Gravity Break's damage is acceptable at 2k a hit, but it incredibly awkward to Just Attack, and takes too long to wait for the Just Attack. I've timed it taking longer than Anga Dugrega.


I can't believe you actually used the "I don't know what I'm doing" line.



I can't believe I used it either, but apparently you don't know what you're doing http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif

The Sword is a FINE melee weapon and it is even better in the hands of a great owner. Wield the Sword well and it will do wonderful things for you. Wield it poorly and you will blame the Sword before blaming yourself. That's how most people act anyway http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

Anyway, outside of that..thank you for your analysis Rizen. All I know is that, with all of these PAs coming out for other weapons, I better get a new one soon, or I'm going to be a sad metal panda :<

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[Zorafim]

On 2007-11-19 12:53, Kikumaru wrote:
I can't believe I used it either, but apparently you don't know what you're doing http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_confused.gif


You realize you're insulting another user while appealing to your own ignorance. You don't know what a good weapon is, because you've been blindly using the same weapon type the entire game. Before you're allowed to judge a weapon, any weapon, you have to have something to compare it to, which you don't.

[panzer_unit]

On 2007-11-19 11:40, Zorafim wrote:
With Tornado Break, the damage that you're doing against a single target in most situations is much less than acceptable.

... pretty poor criticism of an excellent defensive AOE maneuver. Of course the single target damage is poor! If it were acceptable you wouldn't need any other form of attack.

I get good mileage out of Gravity Break still, bringing it out against all the usual large single-target enemies... just go critical with the first move of the PA, don't bother following it up. You get some nice single-target damage and energy efficiency. On the other hand, this is Protranser... I don't have Bogga Robado (yet) or access to my twin claws and Renzan Seidan-ga for a similar-move comparison.

Spinning Break I still haven't made up my mind. It doesn't lose much speed for JA, but the problem has always been the ultra-narrow AOE on the first two moves. If you don't have targets lined up nicely, you can crank out the first two moves quick and critical the last one.

[Jao]

lets hope the new sword pa is like a boomerang, throws it hits 5 targets on 1 monster or 5 monsters and comes back=)

[Rizen]

On 2007-11-19 13:46, Jao wrote:
lets hope the new sword pa is like a boomerang, throws it hits 5 targets on 1 monster or 5 monsters and comes back=)


Oh! Not a bad idea at all! I was thinking of a PA doing this on some weapon, but I didn't think about it being for sword.

Then again, this would be like Jabroni.

[ShinMaruku]

Make the new PA be like Tommy UT in Ninja Gaiden. The dabi UT.

[panzer_unit]

I bet it'll be like Jabroni, only 1 hit, 1 target, at 10000% ATP.

[Jao]

Yes let it be a BOOMARANG!!!!!!
Combo 1 only=p

[ilovetypemoon]

I would prefer if the new PA focused on faster attacks rather than slow and powerful attacks like the last 3.

[Rizen]

I wouldnt call Spinning Break slow. Its actually a different speed aside from the launch time.

But sword powers comes at the cost of speed. Thats how it works in majority games unless they pull a DMC.

[ilovetypemoon]

On 2007-11-19 14:14, Rizen wrote:
I wouldnt call Spinning Break slow. Its actually a different speed aside from the launch time.

But sword powers comes at the cost of speed. Thats how it works in majority games unless they pull a DMC.



I guess Spinning Break isn't slow compared to the other 2 but its power isn't impressive for the amount of hits it has.

I know swords are supposed to be slow and powerful but other weapons have broken their molds.

Fists have Bogga Zubba even though the weapon itself is a quick and light hitting weapon.

Sabers have spinning strike that hit less targets slower with more power.

Heck, double sabers with their fancy dances get absolute dance which has a slow loading time but has high atp.

If other weapons can do this, why can't swords break the mold and go samurai style?

[Shiro_Ryuu]

I like Swords as they are, although I do have to admit that they're a bit more diffikvlt to JA than most other weapons.

[Jao]

boomerang will solve your question=p

[Blu3_Balla]

I doubt well get a new sword pa soon since we got Gravity Break,...also meaning it'll b a while b fore we get a new spear pa

[TheBlackDeath]

Make the new PA be like Tommy UT in Ninja Gaiden. The dabi UT.

I would prefer if the new PA focused on faster attacks rather than slow and powerful attacks like the last 3.
Using these two posts as an example I agree with both but I think a better example would be the Ultimate Technique for the Dark Dragon Blade also in Ninja Gaiden. It could be fast but still powerful if it had a charge up time similar to what it takes in the game. The combo consists of a lightning fast forward rush followed by a six hit combo which could be divided up into 3 combos with 2 hits per combo or just one charge up attack and the full six hits with massively increasing ATP per level like Anga Jabroga. It would still be fairly balanced though because similarly to Gravity Break it would only hit one target for the entire combo. Of course this wouldn't happen because ST isn't capable of coming up with anything remotely awesome, they don't pay attnetion to what their userbase wants, and it wouldn't in fact make sense for it to be in PSU in the first place. If anyone would like to see a video of the Dark Dragon Blade Ultimate Technique I made one a while ago that I can post here.

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[Sol_B4dguy]

If anything, double sabers lend themselves well to the whole "boomerang" approach a bit better than swords. I always wondered if ST was gonna give us a PA that included or ended with a some sort of "wave slash" thing, where the sword is swun quickly to make an energy wave. I'd pick them back up for something like that. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Zorafim]

On 2007-11-19 13:41, panzer_unit wrote:
... pretty poor criticism of an excellent defensive AOE maneuver. Of course the single target damage is poor! If it were acceptable you wouldn't need any other form of attack.


I said this, because 1 vs 1 is the only way I can attack anymore. I used to love AoE attacks, but as I got higher in level I noticed that enemies tend to spread farther and farther apart due to their speed. By S2 ranks, I can hardly line up two targets with AoE attacks to use a PA.
I'd be a nice PA if not for the weapon lag, but seeing how I can't switch directly to it after pushing enemies together, I lose any advantage I would have. An alternative is to group enemies together with other sword PAs, but if I'm going to go that far, I may as well use more generic PAs, in which other weapons win out on heavily.

[TetsuyaHikari]

On 2007-11-19 13:05, Zorafim wrote:

You realize you're insulting another user while appealing to your own ignorance. You don't know what a good weapon is, because you've been blindly using the same weapon type the entire game. Before you're allowed to judge a weapon, any weapon, you have to have something to compare it to, which you don't.



I was going to let this go, but...meh. I'll continue your little charade. Why not http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wacko.gif

Alright, first off..I'm insulting you because you're not saying things which prove to be intelligent at all. You say the Sword is a bad melee weapon. Well, guess what, it's not. You're right, I don't have anything to compare it to, however..I am certainly not blindly using this weapon. Maybe you were, though?

You're probably the type of person who kicks his car if it's your fault you crash into a tree..or the kind of person who plays a game and says it's too "difficult" even though it's because you lack skill, OR...maybe even the type of person to say a weapon is bad, because you don't know how to use it http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Instead of blaming your lack of skill on the Sword, Levia..how about learning how to wield it first. When you actually know what you're doing with it, then I'll take into consideration your opinion of this fine weapon. Until then, don't try to defend yourself by insulting others and claiming them to be ignorant when you yourself have things to learn as well http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

Regardless of that, I believe we are done here. I've got the information I wanted. I thank all of those who provided positive input to the thread, with your thoughts and whatnot.

I'll be requesting a lock now.

Thanks http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif

[Ryna]

Locked at the OP's request.