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kaseius
01-05-2003, 08:55 PM
What do you think is the worst PSO character? My personal opinion is the HUmar. I mean, nothing against them, but their spells seem very limited, and with not much of a spell selection, you might as well go with something like HUcast, and get traps, and large HP and ATP.

Blenjar
01-05-2003, 09:01 PM
HUnewearl.

SnAPPUrU-nyan-ko
01-05-2003, 09:05 PM
Only class that makes me frown on sight is RAmar. I even frowned at my teammates in Team RAmar.

Spy
01-05-2003, 09:05 PM
All classes but RAmar.

Stag
01-05-2003, 09:05 PM
RANGERS! I can't stand not going melee constantly. I just can't stay back and shoot all the time. Forces are ok. Yeah you stay back and cast spells, but they hella strong spells and a group can always use a [u]good force.

Sapphire87
01-05-2003, 09:08 PM
Your character is only as good or as bad as the person behind it. If you know how take advantage of your character's strengths and minimize his/her weaknesses, there's no such thing as a "worse" character.

GZ
01-05-2003, 09:13 PM
i think fomar's r the worst char.

Kasera
01-05-2003, 09:14 PM
Worst hunter: HUcaseal. Less atp, dfp, and hp then HUmar and HUcast, far less traps then HUcast. Only good points are ata and evp. Who cares about evp?

Worst ranger: RAcaseal. All defense, no offense. Low ata, and where is her atp? Its almost as low as RAmarls, but without the level 20 spells to back her up she's going to get creamed offline, no matter how much hp she has.

Worst force: FOmarl. Useless attack techs besides grants, which is slow and costs a lot of tp, which FOmarl doesn’t have. Lowest mst of the forces means weakest resta. All of her other stats are pretty low too, making her useless at melee and magic.

Spy
01-05-2003, 09:31 PM
On 2003-01-05 19:14, Kasera wrote:
Worst hunter: HUcaseal. Less atp, dfp, and hp then HUmar and HUcast, far less traps then HUcast. Only good points are ata and evp. Who cares about evp?

Worst ranger: RAcaseal. All defense, no offense. Low ata, and where is her atp? Its almost as low as RAmarls, but without the level 20 spells to back her up she's going to get creamed offline, no matter how much hp she has.

Worst force: FOmarl. Useless attack techs besides grants, which is slow and costs a lot of tp, which FOmarl doesn?t have. Lowest mst of the forces means weakest resta. All of her other stats are pretty low too, making her useless at melee and magic.



I think that rivals Rhete's absurd amount of PSO game knowledge. I'm impressed... no, not really.

MaJin
01-05-2003, 09:40 PM
On 2003-01-05 19:08, Sapphire87 wrote:
Your character is only as good or as bad as the person behind it. If you know how take advantage of your character's strengths and minimize his/her weaknesses, there's no such thing as a "worse" character.






U guyz should read that before replying.

Spy
01-05-2003, 09:46 PM
On 2003-01-05 19:40, MaJin wrote:

U guyz should read that before replying.



Or... not.

Ghaleon
01-05-2003, 09:55 PM
i dont like playing as droids (like plaything with them tough)

Ninpo_Tamashii
01-05-2003, 09:57 PM
HUcaseal..acutally is arguably the best HU out of them..to be frank.., They have the highest ata potential of all the Hu's..., and to be honest, if you've played on Ultimate, u see where ata comes in. And evade points are what keeps my character from taking damage at all while him in all stages of the game pretty much accpt for Uber monsters.

RAcaseal also has its ups...its downs...but i mean...once you get over 220 for ata...BASE ata..., you're gonna hit everything in the game basically... espeically with the ata bonus the RA weps give. I mean..damn..its not that much of a diffrence. And that extra defense and hp means they have more ablity to take the damgage while they let out their shots, and as long as you have traps and various guns to choose from, you can still be decent with the character...its not THAT BAD O.o()

and FOmarl...., The only diffrence between a FOmar and a FOmarl in meleeing is the FOmar will equip certain weapons faster......by a copule levels, and a potntial 100-150 points of damage witha weapon. Besides not having a GI tech boost, they get double range with spells you use most as a FO, one of them being resta, and anti another...very helpful when you're in a spaced out room. FOmarls can melee just as good as any FOmar and a FOmar can melee just as good as any Hunter...nuff said.

Do your reasearch, find characters that are above 120 and ask them or observe them, and see if what you are thinking is true, cus right now the weakest force right now i'm glancing at is FOnewearl.., and several high level FOnewearls will agree that they envy the other FO's for certain things that we have, that they don't have. Mainly boosts to at least GI damage, or RA -that's being too wishful- A FOnewman would have an easier time dealing massive damage with techs offensivly towrds a goup of monsters than a FOnewearl...which I find to be kidna stupid.., cus that's all they really have going for them, is their High mst score. But the diffrence in damage isn't as great as it should be. To top it off teh horrible HP and defense...just...isn't blanancing out in my eyes. All they seem to have to save themselves is their evp which is so high, which helps ALOT on most nonboss places. I'm not trying to bash them, but if you Play a FOnewearl for reasons other than them being cute, or "you like the character" I got some respect cus they in my opnion are a difficult class to deal with at later levels...considering what they are statistically.

Blenjar
01-05-2003, 10:10 PM
On 2003-01-05 19:57, Ninpo_Tamashii wrote:
HUcaseal..acutally is arguably the best HU out of them..to be frank.., They have the highest ata............................................... ...........for hours
thx but we didn't need a lesson but thx anyway =P

Ninpo_Tamashii
01-05-2003, 10:25 PM
yeah whatever, reading won't kill you O.o()

eRUPT
01-05-2003, 10:33 PM
I thought it was a good post, I guess reading a few paragraphs isn't a mind bender for me. heh

TeamPhalanx
01-05-2003, 10:35 PM
RAmarl is the most overrated character.

A while back I saw a similar post, and the way I answered that one was to see who I would want as a teammate. RAmarl came out dead last.

The only time RAmarls are good is when they're going solo or when there isn't a better tech user. (She's probably in the top 4 when it comes to offline play) When there's a FOrce on the team, I'd take a RAcast/RAcseal over either one of the Human RAngers, and even then I'd favor RAmar because of his superior ATP & ATA.

Anyway, here's my breakdown. (Assumes max stats or close to)

HUnter: HUcaseal. They are Godly when it comes to challenge mode and the early difficulty levels, but her high ATA just isn't enough to make up for her low DFP, ATP, and HP. I mean, we're talking about a HUnter after all. HUcast's ATP & HP more than makes up for his relatively low ATA. The other two can use techs and have pretty good HUnter stats as well. Also, even when a FOrce is on the team, they can still use techs to shock/freeze enemies, as well as use resta & anti.

RAnger: RAmarl. RAcast's HP & ATP put her to shame, as does RAcaseal's HP & DFP. RAmar is dumber, but stronger. What the heck is a RAnger with high EVP good for, anyway? As for her techs, well, you have to get close to the enemy to use Jellen/Zalure. Isn't the whole point and the strength of a RAnger to keep a distance between you and the enemy?

FOrce: FOnewearl. As a HUnter, FOmarl is by far my favorite FOrce. HU & RA like support, and there's no one better at the supporting role than FOmarl; also, there is the thing about her being the least likely one to die. FOmar is in competition against HUmar, HUnewearl, and RAmarl for the best offline/solo character. In most episode I cases, a single FOnewm can clear out a room faster than a single HUnter or RAnger can. FOnewearl's MST is very nice, but her other stats are downright pathetic; what's the point of having good ATA when you've got horrible DFP & ATP and a lot of the special attacks on FOrce weapons hit all the time? Also, again, there's the EVP issue, and the question of why.

Webapprentice
01-05-2003, 10:43 PM
On 2003-01-05 19:57, Ninpo_Tamashii wrote:
Do your reasearch, find characters that are above 120 and ask them or observe them, and see if what you are thinking is true, cus right now the weakest force right now i'm glancing at is FOnewearl.., and several high level FOnewearls will agree that they envy the other FO's for certain things that we have, that they don't have. Mainly boosts to at least GI damage, or RA -that's being too wishful- A FOnewman would have an easier time dealing massive damage with techs offensivly towrds a goup of monsters than a FOnewearl...which I find to be kidna stupid.., cus that's all they really have going for them, is their High mst score. But the diffrence in damage isn't as great as it should be. To top it off teh horrible HP and defense...just...isn't blanancing out in my eyes. All they seem to have to save themselves is their evp which is so high, which helps ALOT on most nonboss places. I'm not trying to bash them, but if you Play a FOnewearl for reasons other than them being cute, or "you like the character" I got some respect cus they in my opnion are a difficult class to deal with at later levels...considering what they are statistically.


Don't FOnewerals get bonus to simple techs?
Although I have a FOmarl, I'm finding simple techs do more damage to and individual enemy than a Gi- or Ra- tech. Sometimes, I need to use simple techs to deal a lot of damage at once.

VulpesMundi
01-05-2003, 10:48 PM
I did my research...

A HUnewearl is the best solo hunter bar-none. Their ATA is more than sufficient to hit anything consistently even in the highest levels of Ultimate. Resta rocks. Foie is excellent for damaging Falz when he has his shield on. Rabarta is great for freezing the masses. Throw in level 20 Shifta and Zalure and that puts them ahead of even a HUcast's great ATP. In a team, however, with someone casting Shifta and Zalure on the entire team the HUcast is by far the best hunter. No one can even come close to comparing to his insane ATP.

A HUcaseal is actually WEAKER than a RAcast in EVERY stat except EVP (check the character stat guides if you don't believe me). When a ranger is better, that tells a lot about how much of a joke the HUcaseal really is. They're okay, but they're by far the weakest hunter. A good player can make a good HUcaseal, but that same player using any other hunter class would find they're doing much better with one of the other hunter classes.

The thing that makes a RAcaseal the weakest ranger class, imo, is the lack of overall ATP in the long run. A RAcast has more, and a RAmar and RAmarl using Shifta will also have more. In a team where someone is casting Shifta and Zalure the RAcaseal isn't so bad, but solo a RAcaseal definately has the most difficult time.

I think forces all have their positives and negatives, and variances in playing styles make each of them better in different situations. I'd still argue that FOmarl is the worst based on stats alone. Not to mention every other force has a stat better than a FOmarl except HP.

FOnewearls have the highest MST, TP, 2nd highest EVP in the entire game (just under RAmarl), and a major boost to basic techs that give them sheer killing power. A good FOnewearl can smear any Ultimate critter (except for bosses) offline in 2 to 4 spells, and it only takes an extra 1 or 2 for online. This puts most other classes of a slightly higher level, even hunters and rangers, to shame. Yes, a FOnewearl has low HP and DFP, so just make up for it with God/HP and/or God/Body. Piece of cake. And as a force, a FOnewearl has no need for ATP. Her spells have far more potential than her weapons ever will.

VulpesMundi
01-05-2003, 10:57 PM
On 2003-01-05 20:35, TeamPhalanx wrote:
Also, again, there's the EVP issue, and the question of why.


To counter the low HP and DFP. A good force should be able to avoid getting hit, but even the best player has his off days. And believe it or not, with an EVP as high as a FOnewearl gets she can fairly consistently block attacks even in Ultimate. It's a nice thing to have.

CajunSamurai
01-05-2003, 11:35 PM
My least favorite is the HUmar, by far... probably because it's the most used class (something like 30% of all players are this damn class). It also seems like the most common class that lamers and n00bz use. Whenever a HUmar enters my C mode game, I instantly roll my eyes and ask if they've ever done the C before.
To a lesser extent I'm also like this with RAmars, but at least a good HUmar can do a little damage in Challenge.

But yeah, HUmar is my least favorite. I also hate the fact that two HUmar almost ALWAYS look alike. JEEZ, take a little time to design your classes, n00bz! (I'm obviously not saying that EVERY HUmar player is a n00b; I've seen some pretty good HUmar designs)
The only truly unique looking HUmar I can imagine is a short, fat one. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_lol.gif I guess that all human classes are kind of like that, though; not the greatest amount of customization.
My least favorite, but certainly not the worst class. I personally think that a good player can play any class and find PLENTY of good points in every one.

Aryn
01-06-2003, 12:08 AM
Bah. HUcaseals might have a low HP and such, but I swear to god, I've never had more fun with this class than I have had with any others. I dislike tech-using classes, and I have a preference to dart in and around dropping traps, falling back with a slicer and doing it up before wading and and knocking everything silly.

TeamPhalanx
01-06-2003, 07:17 AM
EVP meaning nothing in Episode II stages as everything that can 1-hit kill a FOnewearl (Del, Sinow) has incredibly high ATA.

Also the simple tech boost means little when confronted with multiple enemies. My FOnewearl has every single tech except Grants & Megid at its highest lv, and even those techs are at level 29, and she struggles going solo.

In general, if an enemy is out of your Jellen range and it gets to you first, you're dead.

Rockburn
01-06-2003, 07:27 AM
I dont like FOmar..

Ropponmatsu
01-06-2003, 08:38 AM
RAcaseal's have the highest DEF out of the Ranger class. I block about 87% of any melee attack. When I use the Mylla & Youlla PB I block about 98% of any melee attack except for tech's and other more powerful attacks. As Tamashii said, RAcaseal can have a very high ATA, especially if you have a Mag with a high level ATA than you almost never miss. I would consider the worst Ranger to be RAmarl instead.



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TeamPhalanx
01-06-2003, 09:47 AM
RAcaseal have the highest DFP in the game, along with the 2nd highest HP.

My favorite NPC in the game is ELENOR in Doc's Secret Plan. At her level she can take like 3 critical hits from an Indi Belra and still keep going. Her and SHINO are the only ones that I don't feel like I'm babysitting as they're tough as they come.

Ness
01-06-2003, 09:48 AM
I think all rangers are teh suck.

Ninpo_Tamashii
01-06-2003, 01:50 PM
and yes, the FOnewearls get bonuses to simple techs, but as i stated earlier, vs a group of monsters approaching you...that helps but so much. One on one, yes that'll deal a good great load of damgae.., but gi and ra hit multiple targets.., that has more value in the long run than doing damage to just one enemy...heh.. But then again it depends on the situation.

Alisha
01-06-2003, 03:00 PM
i think no characters suck because there many ways to counteract their weaknesses but there are other issues you need to consider for example i refuse to use a male character making many characters out of the question no matter how good they are

Driadyte
01-06-2003, 04:21 PM
On 2003-01-06 07:47, TeamPhalanx wrote:
RAcaseal have the highest DFP in the game, along with the 2nd highest HP.


That's pretty useless put on a Ranger (read: Character NOT meant to come into melee combat often).

G-Assassin
01-06-2003, 04:36 PM
I hate playing as a FOmar... they weren't kidding when they said "low defense and low HP". I die the most as this guy. FOnewm's my personal favorite.

Munki
01-06-2003, 05:20 PM
Bah. I think the FOnewearl rule. Their Megid bonus is incredibly helpful in Ep2. I have been doin Ult Seabed, and true I am not soloing it (heck I'm only 122), But something about killin a Morfos with Megid about 40-50% of the time is SUPER helpful.

I agree, all classes can be good. Heh, my characters are apparently all the 'suck' ones but I seem to do fine. Each class has a role, if you think a class sucks, its cuz you don't like their 'role' in a group.

Least favorite HU: HUmar... too common, makes me feel like one of the pack

Least favorite RA: RAmarl... just doesn't do it for me. Techs don't balance out low damage potential

Least favorite FO: FOnewmn... his tech bonuses rule (if you are all for a offensive force), but I just can't get past his 'style'

BTW, you forgot to mention HUcaseals attack animations in her defense. And the high ATA is helpful. True, a HUcast will hit harder, but she'll hit more often, balancing things out.

Edit: RAcaseals are the ultimate Tank. That is how you should play her. Run up and take the hits, free the HUs and FOs up to do their attacks. That is how she should be played. That is how/when she is awesome. With a FO to back her up as well... Makes things supa easy. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

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kaseius
01-06-2003, 05:32 PM
I personally think the HUcaseal is good, and also, she looks cool like a ninja. And playing my first FOnewm, they own. Getting through caves at level 6 was VERY easy. One hit, Evil Sharks are dead.

Vantamiath
01-06-2003, 05:45 PM
Least favorite for each class...

HU: HUmar; they're the most common, but dont have shifta/deband like the Hunewearl, and arent as strong as the bots.

RA: Easily the RAmarl; higher TP/Mental Strength compared to the RAmar is useless and isn't necessary.

FO: Probably the FOmar, the FOnewm could kick its ass six ways from sunday, and they got low hp and defense.

kaseius
01-06-2003, 06:11 PM
Thank you everybody, I feel so special. My topic has gotten over 30 replies! Yay! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Blue147
01-06-2003, 06:27 PM
i dont like force chars cuz they get to strong and kill every thing with thier chep magic attacks it takes no hard work to use a force and the look stupid

Munki
01-06-2003, 06:32 PM
@blue147 -> look at a force in ult... you show me a FO that can do 1500 or so damage with one attack... and I'll have a new hero. HUs do SOOOOO much more damage than me per critter... easily. Not even a comparison, really

Merlose
01-06-2003, 06:52 PM
I like playin HUnewearl. Since i cant get online(check the tech help, im getting error 102, someone please help if u know how) newayz...since i cant get online and im soloing, the hunewearls technique usage comes in VERY handy. And her ATA is high enough that she can hit everything quite consistently w/ her Yamato. My personal fav http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Blue147
01-06-2003, 07:23 PM
thats ult i'm talking about all the other diff like nomal hard and vhard so and i've seen good forces in ult

sepphie
01-06-2003, 08:10 PM
Ok munki, that's it.. I'm pissed... you don't like forces I see.. Guess what!!! they may not be doing 1500 hundred damage like your hunter posse... but when there's a room full of arlans or whatever.. (5 or 6) They're doing about 2500 damage altogether.. Consider being a force.. They are the best to be in ultimate starting out, and finishing it.

Munki
01-06-2003, 10:10 PM
lol

Sepphie... you apparently misunderstood me. I am a HUGE force fan (look at my sig... primary character is FOnewearl. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif) I was just pointing out that FOs spells aren't 'cheap' that's all. Quite frankly, HUs do FAR more damage, but I am fine with that... they do that much damage due to my HIGH power Shifta and Jellen... it almost adds 200 points of damage to their hits, if not more. I was saying to blue that if he showed me a FO that does that much damage in 1 hit (as he said they one-hit kill stuff) then I have a new hero... as obviously I would want to be that strong.

The only FO that I am not a fan of is the FOnewmn, and that is PURELY style, as he gets NICE tech bonuses. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif Hope that clears things up.

FOs are the most enjoyable class for me, that's all there is to it. Please don't hate me!!! http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

TeamPhalanx
01-06-2003, 11:10 PM
On 2003-01-06 15:45, iHATEpsoCHEATERS wrote:
Least favorite for each class...

HU: HUmar; they're the most common, but dont have shifta/deband like the Hunewearl, and arent as strong as the bots.


HUmar has better ATP than HUcaseal...

elfin
01-07-2003, 02:57 AM
I will have to go with Ninpo_ and TeamP on the matter of Forces. Its kewl with simple tech bonuses, but IMO, Gi and Ra bonuses are much better...


Tomas the Swede

BlackCanaryOfDeath
01-07-2003, 05:37 AM
I play a RAcaseal.

I like the fact that my DFP has the potenial of being very high, I haven't really developed it compared to ATP with a mag and such. My reasoning behind this is that the game really punishes you for having high defense. I would rather be knocked down, and have time to run away than just stand there and take the punishment until I die.
But I really, really love my RAcaseal, and nothing displeases me about the class. (Except that fact that I can't tell who's who in a room because I don't have Resta to target their names... http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif )


But I don't like HUmars at all. They are just too common, even after Sonic Team made them a whole bunch suckier than before. Also, it's not an added bonus when the cool guy to asshole/loser is about 1:100

Sedyne
01-07-2003, 05:51 AM
RAmar=worst class

MaJin
01-07-2003, 10:23 AM
Fuck U Sean, my Ramar own u anyday. Get on AIM http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif.

Hiirigazawa
01-07-2003, 10:39 AM
I think FOmar is the worst character. IMO anyway. They are just so fragile.

TeamPhalanx
01-07-2003, 11:19 AM
FOnewearl are physically the weakest...

Jae
01-07-2003, 12:03 PM
I guess one more opinion won't hurt. This is from a 'teamwork' standpoint...

Least favorite HU - HUmar. Too common, lack of s+d or traps, average in everything but excelling in nothing. They have j+z but most HUmar players don't even bother. Their only saving grace is Resta, but again a lot of HUmar players just wait for the FOs or HUnes to cast it on them instead.

Least favorite RA - RAmarl. What's the point of having good techs if you're never going to get in close to use them? They do have decent damage potential, but they'll never match that of the other RAs.

Least favorite FO - None. I like all FOs. Every FO-type has its own strengths in different situations.

ChronoTrigga_Lost
01-07-2003, 12:06 PM
If Flowen was a character class, he'd fucking own all of those classes combined.

Munki
01-07-2003, 12:34 PM
On 2003-01-07 09:19, TeamPhalanx wrote:
FOnewearl are physically the weakest...



... but are cuter than any other class in the game HANDS DOWN. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Style = Everything

Elusive_Llama
01-07-2003, 01:00 PM
I'd have to say that any Hunter without techs is, in my opinion, t3h sux. Online this is not as much of a problem provided you have a good Force backing you up.

Realistically, I prefer not to rely on chance to provide me a good Force in team games, so I make characters with at least the ability to Resta. So that leaves out all the androids, even the overrated HUcast.

Since I find that shooting a gun is kind of boring, and using techs means piping up constantly for fluids, I would opt for a hunter.

Because I prefer having shifta/deband, level 20 techs and a hot elf chick character, I went with the Hunny. Best character offline, and in my opinion the best character online as well.

I don't have to walk into a game and hope there's a force to heal me, or trust to my low MST and level 15 resta to save my butt when I'm being swarmed by Arlans, or hope that I can avoid being one-hit killed by an Indi Belra with my low HP. I can stroll into any game, totally unconcerned about the team roster, and kick ass regardless of whoever is playing, and however they play their chars.

Fuchikoma
01-07-2003, 01:16 PM
Why do people think Rangers suck? Im a RAcast and i think im preety damn good at what i do. I dont just hide in the corner and shoot things, I go right next to the HUs and attack. I go right in the middle of a hoard of enemys,lay a trap, run a few feet back,shoot it,then continue attacking. I can time my attacks so the enemy cant even get a hit in, even when its right in my face. And you have no idea how much easier Ultimate Seabed is with a Ranger who has a Frozen Shooter.

Jae
01-07-2003, 01:20 PM
On 2003-01-07 11:16, Fuchikoma wrote:
I go right in the middle of a hoard of enemys,lay a trap, run a few feet back,shoot it,then continue attacking.


That's awesome! You're like a HUcast with a gun. Cool deal. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif


And you have no idea how much easier Ultimate Seabed is with a Ranger who has a Frozen Shooter.


Ahh yes. The frozen shooter is a godsend in Ultimate Seabed. To quote a certain absentee PSOW member regarding his frozen shooter, "All we need is this baby." LMAO but it's true.

Munki
01-07-2003, 01:27 PM
On 2003-01-07 11:20, Jae wrote:

Ahh yes. The frozen shooter is a godsend in Ultimate Seabed. To quote a certain absentee PSOW member regarding his frozen shooter, "All we need is this baby." LMAO but it's true.



You forgot... it became "All we need is this baby... and Megid." http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif

But yes, I think a Snow Queen/Frozen Shooter in the hands of a good ranger is AWESOME for any team.

RedFox
01-07-2003, 01:42 PM
On 2003-01-07 10:03, Jae wrote:
Least favorite HU - HUmar. Too common, lack of s+d or traps, average in everything but excelling in nothing. They have j+z but most HUmar players don't even bother. Their only saving grace is Resta, but again a lot of HUmar players just wait for the FOs or HUnes to cast it on them instead.


from a "teamwork" point of view this probably makes HUmars among the best... a good FO should more then compensate for the tech limitations of the HUmar.. while their resta gives them the self preservation advantage that the bots dont really have (i dont like using mates but thats just me http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif )

sepphie
01-07-2003, 01:59 PM
It's cool, munki

Cloak
01-07-2003, 03:01 PM
RAmarl.

Weeeak.

Alisha
01-07-2003, 05:43 PM
RA: Easily the RAmarl; higher TP/Mental Strength compared to the RAmar is useless and isn't necessary.


thats one of the stupidest things ive ever heard most humar need up to 3 restas to heal to full hp yet my ramarl can do it in 1 to 2 and if provoked i can clear a room of vulmers with 5 rafoies

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@blue147 -> look at a force in ult... you show me a FO that can do 1500 or so damage with one attack... and I'll have a new hero. HUs do SOOOOO much more damage than me per critter... easily. Not even a comparison, really


ever see a fomarl with a caudecus its a beatiful sight to behold

M6A4T
01-07-2003, 05:51 PM
I'd have to say the HUmar, as some have said they are average at everything and excel at nothing. Maybe if they got shifta and deband...

Blue147
01-07-2003, 07:23 PM
all chars are good none of them are bad it's the people that use the char that make it bad or good du lol

Illiana
01-07-2003, 10:23 PM
Offline Single Player:
Favorite HU: HUnewearl. The best offline char. S/D/J/Z level 20. High ATP. Its like having a FO and a HU in the same char. need i say more.
Favorite RA: RAmarl. Again the best damage of RAs thanks to techs.
Favorite FO: FOnewm or FOnewearl. Have best attack techs although FOnewm is better at EP2 until high levels cause the FOnewearl gets 1 shotted by everything http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Online (this assumes your team has a FO to heal/buff)
Favorite HU: HUcast/caseal. T R A P S.
Favorite RA: Really doesnt make much difference. Their damage is very similar on ultimate and they are best off by either freezing with snow queen or hitting everything with a shot wep (to stun monsters and make it easier for HUs)
Favorite FO: FOmarl or FOnewearl. FOmarl are best supporters and FOnewm looks too damn rediculous. So we go with FOnewearl since they have next best attacks http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif

THE WORST CHARACTER
Would have to be the RAcaseal in my opinion. Underpowered for online or offline. Who needs high HP/Def when you shouldnt be in melee range in the first place?

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DarkMonger
01-13-2003, 05:11 AM
RAmar can suck like no other.

Durandal37
01-13-2003, 09:38 PM
Like others have said before me, there is no "worst" character. All the characters have strenghts and weaknesses, and it's really all just personal preference.

Many say that the FOmar is the worst character because he's so fragile (low def/HP). However, when the X-Box version of PSO is released, I'm going to use a FOmar as one of my characters. For one, I think he's cool looking. Plus his bonuses to the Gi techs (which I believe are the most underrated and underused techs... they hit multiple enemies for nearly as good damage as Ra techs but cost much much less TP) as well as Grants will be nice. The 2x range for shifta/deband will make him quite useful as a party member too. And his good ATP will make him none too shabby at combat too. AND, being a veteran of the Dreamcast PSO's, I'm looking forward to a challenging character. The greater the challenge, the greater the rewards, I say.

I just can't decide whether to stick with the HUnewearl class I've always loved or to make my other character the new HUcaseal. HUnewearls are great characters, and the addition of lvl20 techs and regenerating TP makes them even better. But then the HUcaseal, in addition to looking outright awesome, are quick, having high ATA so they hit more often than the other hunters, and also high EVP so they block quite often, which is a VERY useful ability in a melee fighter. Choices choices...

Nani-chan
01-13-2003, 10:43 PM
I assure you the hp and def is a wonderful thing. It makes laying down traps so much easier. Plus keep a gush laser in your bank and/or on you. You can hit the enemy anywhere and get 120 hp back! With one you will be semi-immortal. At lev 125 with over 1000 hp and it feels great. Gaining 13hp per level is awesome, I told some of my fleshie friends and they were so jealous. Guess it's a good drawback to not have techs.
If Racasts did not have slightly higher hp then us then people wouldn't play as them. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/anime1.gif
If a group has a force that is shifta and debanding then androids will do more damage and recieve less damage then their human counterpounterparts. Besides who needs a high atp when you have a ra only mechgun. Glad st finally did something right. Give us weps that give a range and we'll keep them groups at bay.

*hugs a force* They are great. DOn't let anyone tell you otherwise. With a force helping we can evade every blow.

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VS_Power
01-13-2003, 11:22 PM
doesnt the HUcaseal have the best attack animations though?

ive never been one but everyone says that their combos leave no room for mid combo counterattacks.

BlueFire2k5
01-13-2003, 11:45 PM
My FOnewmn is pretty good at being a team player and casting nice dmg techs. He can hit nicly with his level 30 Rafoie, 1310 MST, and red merge. And he gets a 2x range for shifta and deband from his Striker of Chao along with level 28 zalure and 30 jellen. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW, worst character would have to be HUmar. Tooo many of them. =/

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Alena Zouryx
01-14-2003, 11:29 AM
I don't think there is one "worse" character, but I prefer the FOmarl out of the Forces. Not only do they have the strongest attack spell (2x Grants) and 2x all support/healing spells in effect and range, but they have high defense and high Hp. (My FOmarl has 700 hp at level 103...not too shabby!) And her other stats are quite well-rounded.

Sure her MST isn't as high as the newman's, but I hardly consider 1,200 MST as "low".

Sedyne
01-14-2003, 01:03 PM
On 2003-01-07 08:39, Hiirigazawa wrote:
I think FOmar is the worst character. IMO anyway. They are just so fragile.


I hope your joking. I was just in an Vhard game with 2 FOnewm's and a RAmarl we were at falz i was the only one not to die, then again i did had 142 mind mag diwari and 2 resists holys. but i still had to run around falz wipin theres buts up with reverser because of his swipe and grants. boy was it an ugly site. Oh i also forgot to mention THEY ARE ALL 4-7 levels highers than me! Me being 47 them being 56-62



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Vampir
01-14-2003, 02:19 PM
On 2003-01-06 14:36, G-Assassin wrote:
I hate playing as a FOmar... they weren't kidding when they said "low defense and low HP". I die the most as this guy. FOnewm's my personal favorite.



The best way not to die is not to get hit. http://www.pso-world.com/psoworld/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif I avoid characters with stupid clown customes

Hunter4life
01-23-2003, 08:39 PM
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Hunter4life
01-23-2003, 08:40 PM
I personally think that the HuMar's average stats are played down way too often. The fact that they are average is one of it's greatest assets. You'll notice that most characters essentially suck at one stat or another (Example: Huceasal at ATK). But the HuMar has NO weak stats and has above average atk. Not to mention his 250 material limit.

Elixer
01-23-2003, 08:44 PM
i dont care for FOmars not sure why exactly just dont really like them.

Hunter4life
01-23-2003, 08:44 PM
I personally think that the HuMar's average stats are played down way too often. The fact that they are average is one of it's greatest assets. You'll notice that most characters essentially suck at one stat or another (Example: Huceasal at ATK). But the HuMar has NO weak stats and has above average atk. Not to mention his 250 material limit.

Brus
01-23-2003, 09:21 PM
Personally I'd have to say the worst character is RAmar. Oh no, don't get me wrong, I absolutely love RAmar and have been one since my first minute back on v1. Its just that now all the RAmar's online suck because they all used to be HUmars so they decide to attack people from point blank with a rifle so they can get the rare... I believe this constitutes as one of the most annoying things in PSO. In terms of not regarding the user... I'd have to say that RAcaseal is the worst.

Cross689
01-23-2003, 10:07 PM
why the hell is everyone bad talking RAmarls???? I have one and im having no prob with atp def or anything else exept maybe evp which makes no sense but o well i carry a few god bodys and use a secret gear so my d is ok my atp aint too bad w lvl 14 shifta and 20 zalure my lvl 20 deband is also nice in ult mines and ruins the only thing wrong with them id say is their defence and hp but those arent very hard to fix and dont come into play much with a rifle.

DemiDeviMatt
01-23-2003, 10:18 PM
well i made a RaMarl(lvl 5) just bcuz she holds her handgun sideways which IMO is reason enough...also IMO she seems like the counterpart to the HuNewearl due to her use of techs and such. Ive yet to expeirement with her greatly so i cant say wether shes good or bad.

FoMar-IMO a good character, bcuz of his high tech damage balanced out with high atp and attack speed, of course his melee abilities IMO can only go up to V Hard, and in ultimate u mostly rely on tech...but otherwise i think they are a fun versatile character.

HuNewearl-High offensive capabilities make her good IMO, aswell as versitility.

But IMO, a character is either A-as good as u make him or her, or B-as good as the people who support u...

Cloud_01
01-23-2003, 11:38 PM
What's up with all the IMO's...

Well anyways if I had to pick a worst character it would be a FOmar since they have really low defense and HP.

That can be fixed with a couple god units though. I'm not saying there all that bad but overall I think there the worst. This is my opinion so please no arguments about it...

thewiredknight
01-24-2003, 12:10 AM
HUnewearl, because they can't hit the ground if they fell on it.

ShieldDragon
01-24-2003, 12:18 AM
I think the "which char is better/worse" discussion will never be over. Next time I make a char, I'll use the eenie meenie miney mo method.




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