room decoration money scam

[Biollante]

Hey, I'm on the 360 server...doubt that matters but, i went to a room this kid said he had a nice sale going on and told me to check out one of his cool new room decorations. it was like this little lava lamp vending machine. it told me if i was holding any extra monomates or things like that I would not recieve anything. so i used it and then my 19mil meseta was gone... anybody have anything else on this? thanks for any info or help.

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[Randomness]

Its a casino prize, its bugged where it doesn't show the cost of using it. Theres a thread about it somewhere...

[DEM_CIG]

Nope never even heard of anything like this on the xbox servers...

[RappyRobot]

ITS RUNNING RAMPANT EVERYWHERE!!!

im on ps2/pc ands got 6 mails warning me about these machine decos.(ppl losing 20 mil a clip) unsure about whether there is a way to get money back but i would mail sega tech support asap with your info and the persons info and see what happens. its a scam plain and simple in my eyes.

[HFlowen]

Lol, the Photon Gacha.

Yea, you can't tell how much money you are putting in when you use it, so either don't bother or don't try it with more than 10k on your character.

[Biollante]

yeah for sure i got his gamertag and everything...don't know if sega will be doing too much about it though... what a shitty day today turned out to be...:/

[Randomness]

Well, hopefully they at least fix it ASAP, maybe disable the deco immediately until they fix it...

[HFlowen]

From what I know, there was a problem with the translation and the cost per try doesn't fit in the information box, which is why you can't see it. It shouldn't be a difficult fix if enough people get Sega's attention about it.

[Chibi_psu]

thats not money scam its your problem to touch it not the owner shop

[Turambar]

On 2007-11-26 14:15, chibichibi wrote:
thats not money scam its your problem to touch it not the owner shop



Except it is a rather stupid idea to not display how much meseta it costs to use considering these things are the result, and are definitly not good for the game, economy, player base, whatever. Its something ST needs to fix and fix fast.

[Biollante]

how the hell is that my fault?! why don't they just come out with room decos that take all your weapons without asking you first too? saying that me using someone else's room deco and then getting robbed is my fault is kinda retarted... it's a room deco for cryin' out loud.

[Randomness]

Its not your fault. Also, since he seemed to know what would happen, and encouraged you to use it, you should be able to argue that you were actively scammed. Additionally, because its the first room deco to do anything like that, in fact, you could say that one wouldn't ever expect a room deco to be ABLE to do that, you had no way to suspect what would happen.

All in all, you have a decent case, if they choose to do something about this.

[RappyRobot]

On 2007-11-26 14:18, Turambar wrote:

On 2007-11-26 14:15, chibichibi wrote:
thats not money scam its your problem to touch it not the owner shop



Except it is a rather stupid idea to not display how much meseta it costs to use considering these things are the result, and are definitly not good for the game, economy, player base, whatever. Its something ST needs to fix and fix fast.



the point is this. whether ppl know it and are scamming or if its a glitch is just inmaterial at this point. the point is u had money, something happened that wasn't your fault and possibly segas due to the glitch of not knowing the cost of its use.
if enough ppl complain sega will prolly review the logs and reimburse you to what u lost. if you havent hacked and are a clean player u have nothing to worry about and i suggest doing as previously stated and submit a complaint to tech support.
if there are ppl failing 99% synths (and they are)and getting compensated by sega (and they did I know 2 ppl personally) you can get your money back lol.
and worse case scenario it doesnt hurt to try http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[JAFO22000]

So, does it take your money just by using it, or does it go to another screen instructing you what it does? I need to check one of these out in someone's room.

BTW, the kid must've looked how much meseta you had on you and adjusted the price to that amount. What a douche. If you want, PM me his shop name and I'll go fuck with him.

[Randomness]

It pops up a screen detailing it, but japanese text takes up much less space and all... so the english overflows from the box, and the whole price bit isnt visible.

[JAFO22000]

Ah, so it shows what is in there, but nowhere does it state that the machine costs meseta to "use"? That's jacked and definately a scam. That kid knows what he is doing.

Back to my original PSU rule #1: Trust nobody!

[jayster]

I heard some guy is sitting in his room with the photon gacha. When you come in, he adjusts the price to however much money you have. If you don't know anything about it, it just looks like a cool new AOI toy, but boy are you wrong.... Last I heard, he'd made over 130 million...

[Randomness]

I'd believe it. I heard about it first on here, and fortunately, I never walk around with much over 200k anyways, the rest I always store away.

[pikachief]

thats super greedy! D:

im gonna put in A rank weapons in mine and price them at 5k each ^.^ (i have over 100 of them >.<)

[jayster]

I still need to save enough coins to get my photon gacha http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_razz.gif Most I had was 4 silver, then I bet them all on black and lost haha.

[StrongFiend]

Yeah but next time just search the forums plenty of things about photon gotcha no >.> sadly i feel your pain i lost 1m on the thing which was all i had at the time http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_smile.gif don't worry with aoi its easy to earn money

[easy]

i have that in my room costs 3000 a go give only 3000
I got money take by some one else i will not do you bring only 3000 no you

XBOX360 MY ONLINE NAME GARY

xbox game tag gary26



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[StrongFiend]

hmm this isn't a advertisement area if you want to do that go to trade >.> thank you,come again.



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[syncmaster712]

stop complaining it was your fault that you lisnened to the shop owner and your fault you tried it so it all comes back to you

[StrongFiend]

sync my i say hes just trying to tell others that you should watch out for the naughty, also please remember what your mother always says if you got nothing better to do then keepeth your mouth shut, also i wouldn't be surprised if you like this little glitch seeing as you think its his fault when the blame doesn't fall on either just sega...

[Wallin]

On 2007-11-26 15:32, syncmaster712 wrote:
stop complaining it was your fault that you lisnened to the shop owner and your fault you tried it so it all comes back to you



Yeah, you used a broken decoration you knew nothing about and chose to trust in humanity, shame on you! http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Sigh...

[syncmaster712]

it is not a scam he did not alter the decoration other then changing the price and adding stuff if you were trading and he quickly took away the item and replaced it with something else then u cna consider that a scam but you tried the machine at your own risk u didnt have to listen to the owner of the shop but you chose to

[syncmaster712]

why would i like this decoration if ive gotten ripped off by it but i only lost 15k and i told my friends not to listen to anyone if they told you to try a machine, i agree it is wrong lieing and tricking people into using cause ive gotten that happened to me have u? but i chose to listen and it was partly my fault so i dealt with it

[syncmaster712]

yo strongfiend i know he was telling people to watch out about it but it is partly his fault no matter how many times you tell yourself its not

[Wallin]

scam –noun 1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.

What part of that is not a 'scam'? The owner of the shop is knowingly exploiting a broken decoration, giving the impression that the machine is some sort of amusing device, and the machine itself currently does not tell you that it charges money.

It's true that the OP fell for the scam, if you want to argue that, then fine. But it's still a bug in the game that needs to be fixed, and other people need to be aware of this so that they don't get ripped off as well.

[JAFO22000]

On 2007-11-26 15:39, syncmaster712 wrote:
it is not a scam he did not alter the decoration other then changing the price and adding stuff if you were trading and he quickly took away the item and replaced it with something else then u cna consider that a scam but you tried the machine at your own risk u didnt have to listen to the owner of the shop but you chose to



The definition of scam is to obtain by trickery or deceit. It's obvious that this kid knew what he was doing and blantantly told this guy to use his machine without disclosing what it did, probably even lying about it. I mean, before the expansion, there was never a deco that cost meseta to use. Now the fact that the price was set at 19 million proves that it was a scam (unless he had a superbad item in there, which is VERY doubtful). If he was a legit player, he would've explained what the machine does. The deco owner was not up front with the guest in his room, even encouraging him to "check it out". That is a scam. This kid found out that the price doesn't show up and immediately figured out how to use it to his advantage.

[syncmaster712]

ok yes i agree that its a bug and needs to be fixed and if you dont know what the hell something is then why do you try it, i tried it cause my friend tricked me for such a small amount of 15k meseta but i really dont care i only carry about 100k max on me if i go anywhere and i was carrying 20k on me at that time, wow u looked it up ''your smart''

[Arika]

On 2007-11-26 14:42, Randomness wrote:
It pops up a screen detailing it, but japanese text takes up much less space and all... so the english overflows from the box, and the whole price bit isnt visible.



Exactly!
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6913/photongachapo5.jpg

..... it show that this machine will cost me 99mil to use it -,-



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[KyEmo]

On 2007-11-26 14:12, HFlowen wrote:
Lol, the Photon Gacha.

Yea, you can't tell how much money you are putting in when you use it, so either don't bother or don't try it with more than 10k on your character.



So, are you going to put one of those in your room like I am? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Kidding.

[Biollante]

how could you ever think that a room deco is going to rip you 19mil?

[Biollante]

im defently not crying woe is me! woe is me! yes 19mil is a decent amount but im definely not going bonkers over it... lol that wasnt even half of my meseta anyways.

[Biollante]

here is what sega said, if anyone is interested.
"I am sorry about your lost meseta. We are working on a solution to this issue, but it will probably take some time as we will have to ask the developers to provide us with a report of affected users and lost meseta amounts. Please be patient and we will get back to you in a few days with an update."

[StrongFiend]

well biollante i sent a message on tech support to sega so they'll be more help >.>

[Fatima]

man..this blows...especially for people (like me) who wanted to get a photon gacha and use it legitimetly...now no one will trust them...V__V; *whimper* I'll just have to put a message on my pm or something to tell people its safe...

[ninexio]

Ohhhhh, so that's where that 500K went. I was wondering... http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_frown.gif

[KyEmo]

Just a question;

If you cry wolf to Sega, are they going to replace your meseta? Because... I lost about 70mil a little bit ago,,,

[Pikku]

May I ask... why do so many of you hold so much money on you? Why not put in your PM or Common Box or an Alt or something?

[Wallin]

On 2007-11-26 20:03, Pikku wrote:
May I ask... why do so many of you hold so much money on you? Why not put in your PM or Common Box or an Alt or something?



Here's a question back at you - why wouldn't you? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Actually back when hackers were running rampant, the only way they could steal your money is if you left it in storage or in your common box - anything on your character was safe. So it was smarter to carry around your money with you.

Besides being scammed or accidentally buying something in a shop, there's really no other way to lose money (you don't lose anything for dying).

[KyEmo]

On 2007-11-26 20:03, Pikku wrote:
May I ask... why do so many of you hold so much money on you? Why not put in your PM or Common Box or an Alt or something?



I only carry 100k on me at max. Each of my 4 characters have 70mil in storage though http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

[jcm5]

*thinks of 20mil* where can i get that deco? lmao

[Pikku]

On 2007-11-26 20:07, Wallin wrote:

On 2007-11-26 20:03, Pikku wrote:
May I ask... why do so many of you hold so much money on you? Why not put in your PM or Common Box or an Alt or something?



Here's a question back at you - why wouldn't you? http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Actually back when hackers were running rampant, the only way they could steal your money is if you left it in storage or in your common box - anything on your character was safe. So it was smarter to carry around your money with you.

Besides being scammed or accidentally buying something in a shop, there's really no other way to lose money (you don't lose anything for dying).


Yeah, those hackers is why my shop been closed for over a year+ now...
I dont hold that much on me because I know for a fact if I see that money in my pocket, Ill be spending it like crazy.
The other fact is, I know you dont lose money when you die, but because you drop your money when you died on Dreamcast, and you lose your money when you died on Gamecube, its always been ahabit of mine to keep my money in my PM/Alt/Common Box

[Wallin]

On 2007-11-26 21:31, Pikku wrote:
...but because you drop your money when you died on Dreamcast, and you lose your money when you died on Gamecube, its always been ahabit of mine to keep my money in my PM/Alt/Common Box

Toward the end of PSO, didn't they eliminate that though? I honestly can't clearly recall the time when you dropped all your money anymore. It is a valid reason though, so I can understand it better. http://www.pso-world.com/images/phpbb/icons/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

[easy]

i have that in my room costs 3000 a go give only 3000
I got money take by some one else i will not do you bring only 3000 no you

XBOX360 MY ONLINE NAME GARY

xbox game tag gary26

[KaigeV]

I lost 16mil last night it's everything I own this suck's Sega need to sort it asap. This guy went out of his way to get me to do this even gave me his card but as soon as he had what he wanted he black listed me so I was thrown out the room.

[Biollante]

yup, that's how he did it to me also. It sounds like sega is going to get the money back.

[KaigeV]

I hope so. Do you know that cuz so far I have not being told anything But on saying that I only told them 6 hours ago.

[Biollante]

i got my resopnse in about an hour... sounds crazy, but i trust them.

[StrongFiend]

how did you contact them?

[Eureka]

I put a message up in my room explaining the price on my machine. Only have room decor in it, but I did hear about ppl using it in this way. But then I wonder why people walk around with all their meseta on them. In a way, that just invites trouble.

[Dark1422]

shit fuckin happened to me today...took me forever to get 10 mill...

[KaigeV]

Dont worry just e mail Sega and report who did it... looks like they r going to sort it out for the ones that have been scamed.
I hope they take all there money off them then they can see what its like to have lost everything.

[YUKI_N]

I honestly doubt Sega will do anything, they'll fix the price message and say "Sorry our bad" to everyone who lost money

[D1ABOLIK]

On 2007-11-26 20:03, Pikku wrote:
May I ask... why do so many of you hold so much money on you? Why not put in your PM or Common Box or an Alt or something?

Because you shouldnt have to and its an inconveniece.

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[Keiko_Seisha]

On 2007-11-28 01:05, D1ABOLIK wrote:

On 2007-11-26 20:03, Pikku wrote:
May I ask... why do so many of you hold so much money on you? Why not put in your PM or Common Box or an Alt or something?

Because you shouldnt have to and its an inconveniece.



I don't mind the "you shouldn't have to" comment, but the inconvenience part is pretty untrue. You really don't need to carry more than even 100k to complete missions and restock on items, unless you die a lot and need Scapes. Also, with the new shop search system you can just shop search, see how much you'll be spending, get that much, and go, no hassle there.

As for this deco: I'd never dream of using one anyways, even if it had items I wanted, my luck sucks and I don't really like to test it by giving other people my money.

[AnamanaAU]

Honestly, if it's not a player shop, you shouldn't be putting your money into it. It's your own fault out of stupidity.

[Kairi_Li]

I wouldn't call it complete stupidity, more like gulliuble and a bit too trusting, which is not always a bad thing cause you gotta trust someone. Still, its best to be cautious to other people who are pushy at asking you to do something... Though, everyone is excited about interactive decors that we don't think too much before playing with a decor. Its still mostly the scammer's fault.

[Biollante]

LOL, last night the person who scammed me was on, but it was his brother... He was trying to give back all the money by meeting up with people on his newly expanded black list. ended up geting all 19mil back AND THEN SOME, he was so ticked that he gave me every wepon his brother had just to tick off his brother!!! Don't know if i'll ever see this kid again but I think he wins the "greatest player on PSU EVER" award.

[KaigeV]

Stupid...Gulliuble...to trusting...yes I was all of them but I don't deserve to lose 16mil and the scammer does not deserve to have 150mil for nothing.
Anyway Sega have said it IS getting sorted it will just take a few days.
so if your the scammer I would be very worried.

[KaigeV]

I wonder if it was the same guy cuz the person who scammed me was on last night but I couldn't track him down.

Not sure if we are allowed to name names here so I won't. Mabye not, I bet there are loads of people doing it.

[Biollante]

are you on the 360 server? The guy was just going down his black list, and he told me that my girlfriend and I were the last ones on the list... his name online was mystical sword. And he said he still owes money to ppl, and would even go as far as 'buying off ebay". again, greatest player on psu

[KaigeV]

Yes I'm on 360 but that's not him......oh well I'm not worried Sega said it would be sorted in the next 3 - 4 day's so I guess I'll just have to wait.

[HotokoHoshi]

I personally think it's wrong to even have that decor up. I mean they know that it's not functioning properly and they still put it up? That's just messed up. Perople in this game mess with things because most of them are amusing and fun. Also, you should always be aware of the fact that things are scams in this game. It's a game and it's bound to have glitches, especially in translations. So yes, it is the person who put it up's fault but it is also the person who trusted the first person's fault in a way.

[Doormatofdoom]

Biollante, do you know if the guy who is refunding all of the people is still doing it. My boyfriend was scammed by Mystical Sword too, out of 5 mil. I was in the room when it happened, and we are both on that said black list. He contacted sega, so either way we hope to get the money back. If you know anything I would appreciate it.

[pikachief]

im gonna get mine and fill it with about 30 A rank weapons and like 500 C rank stuff and see if people try it for 10k...

but i cant get it till monday cuz of my dad casino betting >.<

[Tomeeboy]

On 2007-11-28 05:29, Biollante wrote:
LOL, last night the person who scammed me was on, but it was his brother... He was trying to give back all the money by meeting up with people on his newly expanded black list. ended up geting all 19mil back AND THEN SOME, he was so ticked that he gave me every wepon his brother had just to tick off his brother!!! Don't know if i'll ever see this kid again but I think he wins the "greatest player on PSU EVER" award.



Wow.. that is certainly a crazy twist to the story. Glad to hear that somebody out there has a conscience and chose to do the right thing.